Current Events > Bernie Sanders: People have a right to go into a restaurant and eat dinner

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

...without being discriminated against.
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Depends
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no they don't
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bloodydeath0 posted...

no they don't

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Either "they do have that right" or "they don't" is a valid answer, as long as you aren't picking and choosing when it does or doesn't apply. If you're consistent, either answer has validity to it.
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Sorry Bernie, the age of civility in politics is over.
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DarkTransient posted...

Either "they do have that right" or "they don't" is a valid answer, as long as you aren't picking and choosing when it does or doesn't apply. If you're consistent, either answer has validity to it.

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I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

But women are a protected class.
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I'd have to disagree with Bernie.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

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bloodydeath0 posted...

no they don't

So it's illegal for people to go into a restaurant and eat dinner?
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People named Bernard and Sarah are not welcome at this establishment!
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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

But women are a protected class.

And you would need to show that any discrimination was due to her sex.
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Sarah didnt have anything to do with the laws. she just reports on what happened. she has no power. she doesn't make decisions. I don't get why people yell at her. she's just doing her job and is no more evil than a reporter

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

But women are a protected class.

Only liberal women deserve protected class status apparently
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darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

But women are a protected class.

Yeah, you can't be denied service because you are a woman, but you can be a woman and be denied service. Can you argue that she was banned for being a woman? A gay, black female Muslim in a wheelchair can be denied service without violating any of those reasons. I'd get rid of religion as a protected class though.
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No, that isn't a "right" someone as in America.

I find this funny because if it were a Left-wing person that go treated like shit they would be bitching just like the Right-wing people are now. It's always the same. If side A is getting treated like shit, side B tells them to stop bitching, but it's the same way the other way as well

This is why so many people on this board are completely insane. You don't give a shit what's "right" you only care if your side wins. It's crazy. People that get way into political shit are the worse people. So many fucking double standards
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frozenshock posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

no they don't

So it's illegal for people to go into a restaurant and eat dinner?

unless it's specifically because of race/nationality or religion, you legally don't have to be served.
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frozenshock posted...

bloodydeath0 posted...

no they don't

So it's illegal for people to go into a restaurant and eat dinner?

If they are being disruptive, doing something dangerous, or being banned for a non-protected reason that the owner consistently applies? Absolutely.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

No, that isn't a "right" someone as in America.

I find this funny because if it were a Left-wing person that go treated like shit they would be bitching just like the Right-wing people are now. It's always the same. If side A is getting treated like shit, side B tells them to stop bitching, but it's the same way the other way as well

This is why so many people on this board are completely insane. You don't give a shit what's "right" you only care if your side wins. It's crazy. People that get way into political shit are the worse people. So many fucking double standards

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will ... be judged ... by the content of their character.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

Race wasn't a protected class either when Bernie Sanders was doing this.


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hockeybub89 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

But women are a protected class.

Yeah, you can't be denied service because you are a woman, but you can be a woman and be denied service. Can you argue that she was banned for being a woman? A gay, black Muslim in a wheelchair can be denied service without violating any of those reasons. I'd get rid of religion as a protected class though.

You make sense, but I dont know, these days it seems the media automatically assumes racial or sexist bias whenever a minority or women are discriminated against, even if they dont any evidence of such. How convenient they wont paint the same narrative whens its not in their interest to do so
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Fate posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

Race wasn't a protected class either when Bernie Sanders was doing this.

Are you comparing Trump Press Secretaries to black people in the 50s?
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lordofmud posted...

Sorry Bernie, the age of civility in politics is over.

Right, he should have learned that after he got fucked over by the DNC/Clinton campaign
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Turns out one of those things is immutable while the other is of conscious choice.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will ... be judged ... by the content of their character.

Yeah, well he also hated gay people, so I wouln't quote him too much. But since rap music and black culture still paints gay people in a negative light, maybe people will still love MLK's opinion on the matter
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man the left are morons
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SnoicFactor posted...

man the left are morons

Anyone that pays attention to this shit is a moron
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hockeybub89 posted...

Fate posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

Race wasn't a protected class either when Bernie Sanders was doing this.

Are you comparing Trump Press Secretaries to black people in the 50s?

I'm just saying it's funny how all the corporate liberals who think they're socialists now think they have a better understanding of "equality" than the Socialist Jew who marched and got arrested for people of color to have rights back during the Civil Rights movement.
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He obviously does not mean a legal right.

I agree. This kind of behavior becoming normal and accepted is not going to make society better.

Escalating further and further will cause our already extreme gridlock and paritsanship to get worse and politics to become increasingly violent.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will ... be judged ... by the content of their character.

Yeah, well he also hated gay people, so I wouln't quote him too much. But since rap music and black culture still paints gay people in a negative light, maybe people will still love MLK's opinion on the matter

His personal opinions doesn't change he's right about judging people on the content of their character and not immutable characteristics.
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ThePieReborn posted...

Turns out one of those things is immutable while the other is of conscious choice.

That's not even demonstrably true, actually. There's as much reason to think that political belief is a "fuzzy choice" as much as something like, say, sexual orientation or gender identity. For example, there is compelling evidence that political belief is accureately predicted by your big 5 personality traits (out of your control), as well as strongly heritable from your parents.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/05/personality-and-polarisation

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/09/study-on-twins-suggests-our-political-beliefs-may-be-hard-wired/

Also, if immutable/choice had anything to do with why we had civil rights and anti-discrimination laws then it would make zero sense why religion has been a protected class since day 1. Unless you think religious belief is immutable but not other kinds of beliefs.
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Bad take here.
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pikachupwnage posted...

He obviously does not mean a legal right.

I agree. This kind of behavior becoming normal and accepted is not going to make society better.

Escalating further and further will cause our already extreme gridlock and paritsanship to get worse and politics to become increasingly violent.

Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.

When someone treats people like garbage but in turn gets respect and then continues to treat people like garbage... sometimes you gotta mix up your approach.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

His personal opinions doesn't change he's right about judging people on the content of their character and not immutable characteristics.

No, I agree with that. I'm just tired of people painting him as some SJW warrior when he wasn't. Same with 2Pac
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will ... be judged ... by the content of their character.

Yeah, well he also hated gay people, so I wouln't quote him too much. But since rap music and black culture still paints gay people in a negative light, maybe people will still love MLK's opinion on the matter

His personal opinions doesn't change he's right about judging people on the content of their character and not immutable characteristics.

There's no reason to believe he meant "be shitty to people with different opinions than you", and if he did, then his advice is worseless.
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I wasn't aware working for an administration under a compulsive liar was an immutable characteristic.
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Whichever way it goes, it has to be settled. Is it OK to refuse to do business with somebody you don't agree with, whether it's making a cake for two homosexuals or making food for a presidential adviser.... or isn't it.

This is becoming a mess. We have to establish whether it's OK to discriminate or not.
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ThePieReborn posted...

I wasn't aware working for an administration under a compulsive liar was an immutable characteristic.

I wasn't aware that there was an "immutable characteristic" clause to the Civil Rights Act in the first place.

*checks*

Nope, not seeing it.
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Fate posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Fate posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I have to disagree with Bernie in this one. Trump admin is not a protected class nor is it an immutable characteristic, and I'm sure the owner would be fair and not serve anyone else that works for it in a high position.

Race wasn't a protected class either when Bernie Sanders was doing this.

Are you comparing Trump Press Secretaries to black people in the 50s?

I'm just saying it's funny how all the corporate liberals who think they're socialists now think they have a better understanding of "equality" than the Socialist Jew who marched and got arrested for people of color to have rights back during the Civil Rights movement.

What the fuck does this have to do with equality? You have no right to not be denied service for being a high member of a presidential administration. As long as he applies this policy to the entire Trump admin, then he is being fair. An owner can refuse to serve people wearing yellow ties as long as he refuse to serve all yellow tie-wearers.
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hockeybub89 posted...

What the fuck does this have to do with equality?

Equality, Generally, an ideal of uniformity in treatment or status by those in a position to affect either. Acknowledgment of the right to equality often must be coerced from the advantaged by the disadvantaged. Equality of opportunity was the founding creed of U.S. society, but equality among all peoples and between the sexes has proved easier to legislate than to achieve in practice. Social or religious inequality is deeply ingrained in some cultures and thus difficult to overcome (see caste). Government efforts to achieve economic equality include enhancing opportunities through tax policy, subsidized training and education, redistributing wealth or resources, and preferential treatment of those historically treated unequally (see affirmative action). See also civil rights movement; feminism; gay rights movement; human rights; Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/equality-human-rights
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I'm also not seeing anything regarding one's professional affiliations.

There's also the matter that federal law is not the end-all, be-all with regards to anti-discrimination statutes, so I fail to see the relevance.
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hockeybub89 posted...

As long as he applies this policy to the entire Trump admin, then he is being fair.

He doesn't need to do that.
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ThePieReborn posted...

There's also the matter that federal law is not the end-all

Woaaaahhhh you think? Almost like that's Bernie's point.
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Fate posted...

ThePieReborn posted...

I wasn't aware working for an administration under a compulsive liar was an immutable characteristic.

I wasn't aware that there was an "immutable characteristic" clause to the Civil Rights Act in the first place.

*checks*

Nope, not seeing it.

There is language about protected classes though, if you want to go that route, and press secretaries are not on it.
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I meant that in the context of state law as the alternative, nitwit. Y'know, where the majority of laws, regulations, and what-have-you regarding the functioning of local business are put into place.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Fate posted...

ThePieReborn posted...

I wasn't aware working for an administration under a compulsive liar was an immutable characteristic.

I wasn't aware that there was an "immutable characteristic" clause to the Civil Rights Act in the first place.

*checks*

Nope, not seeing it.

There is language about protected classes though, if you want to go that route, and press secretaries are not on it.

I'm not "going that route"; immutable characteristics has never been a basis for why we consider discrimination to be wrong and never will be, full stop. This is a silly argument that SJWs have pulled out of thin air to justify double standards.
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Fate posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will ... be judged ... by the content of their character.

Yeah, well he also hated gay people, so I wouln't quote him too much. But since rap music and black culture still paints gay people in a negative light, maybe people will still love MLK's opinion on the matter

His personal opinions doesn't change he's right about judging people on the content of their character and not immutable characteristics.

There's no reason to believe he meant "be shitty to people with different opinions than you", and if he did, then his advice is worseless.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders has helped push anti trans bills causing the Red Hen staff to ask her removal. That's more than just a difference of opinion.
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Fate posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

What the fuck does this have to do with equality?

Equality, Generally, an ideal of uniformity in treatment or status by those in a position to affect either. Acknowledgment of the right to equality often must be coerced from the advantaged by the disadvantaged. Equality of opportunity was the founding creed of U.S. society, but equality among all peoples and between the sexes has proved easier to legislate than to achieve in practice. Social or religious inequality is deeply ingrained in some cultures and thus difficult to overcome (see caste). Government efforts to achieve economic equality include enhancing opportunities through tax policy, subsidized training and education, redistributing wealth or resources, and preferential treatment of those historically treated unequally (see affirmative action). See also civil rights movement; feminism; gay rights movement; human rights; Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/equality-human-rights

And that is applicable... how?
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