Board 8 > Chris' political topic. Where Chris posts super casually about political stuff.

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Eddv and Regaro are both conservatives that can't tolerate the right wing extremism of Trump. Peaf and GMUN, that's your opinion, but those two are NOT extreme liberals.
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Inviso posted...

Eddv and Regaro are both conservatives that can't tolerate the right wing extremism of Trump. Peaf and GMUN, that's your opinion, but those two are NOT extreme liberals.

Thank you for your opinion. I will take it into consideration.

Is there anyone you do consider an extreme liberal?
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Jakyl and Tony, but extreme liberal in modern society is practically center left.
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I invite you all to take it and post your results.

https://www.politicalcompass.org
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technically my Liberal party is more of the centrist party of our Big 3... and who I voted for in the last leadership election

although provincially I went left with NDP, and I was federally on board with Layton (RIP)
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Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

That sound about right, honestly. I am definitely more liberal on social issues than I am on economic ones.
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I should take it again as I am usually like .05/.05 upper right but my last one was this.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-0.38&soc=-0.05
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Today's.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-1.88&soc=0.15

*Shrug*
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Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

This is a simple place to discuss politics.

Photo Taken Seconds Before Disaster
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Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

Not quite as extreme as I'd expect, but I'd imagine I'm picking up some lefty dictator points from questions where I answered in a way I know will get a misleading result because I feel it's the right response to the question as written, just not the question as intended.
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https://imgur.com/a/jZR9nSQ

Doesnt entirely surprise me given Im hardcore pro choice and marijuana

Wish there had been questions about guns to cancel those out

Panthera posted...

Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

Not quite as extreme as I'd expect, but I'd imagine I'm picking up some lefty dictator points from questions where I answered in a way I know will get a misleading result because I feel it's the right response to the question as written, just not the question as intended.

Surprised you are so low on the government graph panth. Figured you were upper axis for sure.
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Oh jeez I'm going to be the biggest lefty here, huh?

ColZach posted...

https://imgur.com/a/jZR9nSQ

Doesnt entirely surprise me given Im hardcore pro choice and marijuana

Wish there had been questions about guns to cancel those out

It was weird that there were no gun related questions, because I feel like that moderates me somewhat too.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64

A lot of the questions are bad
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This is where the us presidential candidates landed on the spectrum.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
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Corrik posted...

Surprised you are so low on the government graph panth. Figured you were upper axis for sure.

I didn't know I talked politics here enough for anyone to have a guess at where I'd fall!

Honestly a lot of the questions are worded in a way where you could reasonably answer anything depending on you look at it. I've done this test a few times over the years and I get noticeably different results, depends on what kind of mood I'm in as to how I handle certain questions that I don't feel a simple "agree/disagree" really allows for a proper answer to.
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Corrik posted...

This is where the us presidential candidates landed on the spectrum.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Lol what the fuck is that?

Apparently I'm further left than Sanders and Stein!

(Obviously not)
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Corrik posted...

This is where the us presidential candidates landed on the spectrum.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Lol what the fuck is that?

Apparently I'm further left than Sanders and Stein!

(Obviously not)

If you check back to 2008/2012 they basically have Barack Obama almost identical to where Trump is.

Their analysis (the actual write ups) is truly bizarre, too.
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Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

Surprised you are so low on the government graph panth. Figured you were upper axis for sure.

I didn't know I talked politics here enough for anyone to have a guess at where I'd fall!

Honestly a lot of the questions are worded in a way where you could reasonably answer anything depending on you look at it. I've done this test a few times over the years and I get noticeably different results, depends on what kind of mood I'm in as to how I handle certain questions that I don't feel a simple "agree/disagree" really allows for a proper answer to.

That is why my results differ, but it establishes a barometer of where you normally are.

For example, last time I answered companies only goal is to deliver results to shareholders at strongly agree. Today I put "disagree".

But, most people have a range of where they fall.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Corrik posted...

This is where the us presidential candidates landed on the spectrum.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Lol what the fuck is that?

Apparently I'm further left than Sanders and Stein!

(Obviously not)

If you check back to 2008/2012 they basically have Barack Obama almost identical to where Trump is.

Their analysis (the actual write ups) is truly bizarre, too.

You sure you are reading that right? In 2008 he was upper right but nowhere near Trump at all. In 2012 he is almost identical to hillary not Trump.

Sarah Palin looks like she is closest to Trump in 2008.
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The amazing part is that there are multiple questions that are like "are you a racist" which automatically push you left if you disagree, so to get to where they're claiming Clinton is you'd have to answer in the conservative direction on like all of the policy questions
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LordoftheMorons posted...

The amazing part is that there are multiple questions that are like "are you a racist" which automatically push you left if you disagree, so to get to where they're claiming Clinton is you'd have to answer in the conservative direction on like all of the policy questions

Some people are racist. You are supposed to answer honestly.
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political compass is pretty trash
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CelesMyUserName posted...

technically my Liberal party is more of the centrist party of our Big 3... and who I voted for in the last leadership election

although provincially I went left with NDP, and I was federally on board with Layton (RIP)

https://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2015

NDP is the furthest towards anarchy out of the choices there. And almost the furthest left economically.
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Oh, Corrik is right, thank you.

In 2008 in was pretty close to center. In 2012 he is high in the upper right, close to where both Hillary (and Trump) are. Hillary is in the upper right both in 2008 and 2016.

The commentary also rails against the uniparty and how both parties are the same and how Bernie betrayed his ideals etc etc etc. It sounds like a far left unhinged rant. Or maybe a far right unhinged rant? I have a hard time discerning between those two at times for some reason.
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Here is all of us on the same chart.

https://tinyurl.com/y9sbyd5g
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Oh, Corrik is right, thank you.

In 2008 in was pretty close to center. In 2012 he is high in the upper right, close to where both Hillary (and Trump) are. Hillary is in the upper right both in 2008 and 2016.

The commentary also rails against the uniparty and how both parties are the same and how Bernie betrayed his ideals etc etc etc. It sounds like a far left unhinged rant. Or maybe a far right unhinged rant? I have a hard time discerning between those two at times for some reason.

Most people think the democrats and Republicans pick a couple different arguing points but the establishment are all in the same quadrant politically.

Bernie was the first truly liberal they have trotted out and why the establishment was very against him being chosen.
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I don't think they scored the candidates right, though. According to this I am way to the left of Bernie, while listening to his propositions I always thought he was to the left of me. Meanwhile Obama and Hillary are basically republicans while there are plenty of differences between them and say, even someone like Jeb!

I do think its score of me is fairly accurate, but I question how they plopped in these candidates on the way they did.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

I don't think they scored the candidates right, though. According to this I am way to the left of Bernie, while listening to his propositions I always thought he was to the left of me. Meanwhile Obama and Hillary are basically republicans while there are plenty of differences between them and say, even someone like Jeb!

I do think its score of me is fairly accurate, but I question how they plopped in these candidates on the way they did.

They can't really add guns as it is international and that isn't an international issue. Which would move them some.

They are scoring them on their speeches and voting record when no speeches talk about it.

Like for example, almost every Dem says they think abortion is wrong but think others should have the right to choose if they wish to.

This probably leads them an agree it is immoral point instead of their supporters who say strongly disagree.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

I don't think they scored the candidates right, though. According to this I am way to the left of Bernie, while listening to his propositions I always thought he was to the left of me. Meanwhile Obama and Hillary are basically republicans while there are plenty of differences between them and say, even someone like Jeb!

I do think its score of me is fairly accurate, but I question how they plopped in these candidates on the way they did.

Seems pretty clear that they have an agenda to convince most people that they're far to the left of both US political parties. The placements of the Democratic candidates are just straight up ridiculous.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

I don't think they scored the candidates right, though. According to this I am way to the left of Bernie, while listening to his propositions I always thought he was to the left of me. Meanwhile Obama and Hillary are basically republicans while there are plenty of differences between them and say, even someone like Jeb!

I do think its score of me is fairly accurate, but I question how they plopped in these candidates on the way they did.

Seems pretty clear that they have an agenda to convince most people that they're far to the left of both US political parties. The placements of the Democratic candidates are just straight up ridiculous.

I think you just refuse to see that the Democratic and Republicans are generally offering up close to the same candidates with any really differentiation.

Bernie was placed to the left, and he was the biggest liberal candidate.

If I linked you to neogafs you see a more scattered result tho most are bottom left.
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No, the page where they claim to be giving candidate placements is just straight up biased as fuck. Like, read this paragraph:

Sanders now unequivocally supports the Democratic nominee, yet his positions are actually far closer to those of Jill Stein, leader of the Greens. The party that Bernie barely belongs to is apparently more important than the principles that hes passionately espoused for so long. In the twilight of his political career Sanders might have taken a bolder move than merely conforming to the expectations of ideologically arthritic liberals who will settle for a lesser-of-two-evils electoral exercise, as they have done for decades. Instead Sanders wants to rally his impressive legion of supporters behind a candidate representing the very things that theyve been consistently revolting against! Was he so terrified by the prospect of a Trump presidency that he dumped the chance to strike a real blow against the one percent by joining Stein and launching the most formidable third party challenge in decades? Or might he have been a Judas sheep all along? Clinton can now be expected to toss a few crumbs to the Sandernistas in an attempt to prevent them bolting to the Greens. Whatever she says about issues like the minimum wage, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, fracking and Medicare between now and November is unlikely to be honoured in office. Even if she wanted to break the habit of a career and significantly swing towards the 99 percent, her donors like Walmart, McDonalds, Wall Street and so many others simply wouldnt permit it.

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since everyone else was doing it

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.9


but wowwwwwww those questions were garbage
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^ What do you want it to say? There was a lot of controversy on whether Sanders voters would ever vote for Hillary. How election was rigged against him. And their refusal to vote maybe costing her the election if they bled away. And how Bernie was more of an Independent than a Democrat.

Many Bernie Sanders supporters chose not to vote and called him out for being a hypocrite when he supported Clinton.

Is there specific passages you are referring to?
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CelesMyUserName posted...

since everyone else was doing it

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.9


but wowwwwwww those questions were garbage

For him being about how garbage the questions were, he landed right where everyone knew he would. Lol

The test really could use MORE questions. But, it is a good basic look. If you were left you generally fell in left. I am more center. I fell into the center. Someone like Vlado would be upper right.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

No, the page where they claim to be giving candidate placements is just straight up biased as fuck. Like, read this paragraph:

Sanders now unequivocally supports the Democratic nominee, yet his positions are actually far closer to those of Jill Stein, leader of the Greens. The party that Bernie barely belongs to is apparently more important than the principles that hes passionately espoused for so long. In the twilight of his political career Sanders might have taken a bolder move than merely conforming to the expectations of ideologically arthritic liberals who will settle for a lesser-of-two-evils electoral exercise, as they have done for decades. Instead Sanders wants to rally his impressive legion of supporters behind a candidate representing the very things that theyve been consistently revolting against! Was he so terrified by the prospect of a Trump presidency that he dumped the chance to strike a real blow against the one percent by joining Stein and launching the most formidable third party challenge in decades? Or might he have been a Judas sheep all along? Clinton can now be expected to toss a few crumbs to the Sandernistas in an attempt to prevent them bolting to the Greens. Whatever she says about issues like the minimum wage, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, fracking and Medicare between now and November is unlikely to be honoured in office. Even if she wanted to break the habit of a career and significantly swing towards the 99 percent, her donors like Walmart, McDonalds, Wall Street and so many others simply wouldnt permit it.

jesus god how does anyone take this site seriously
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I think a lot of people do not like to see just where they truly are on a chart.

Like I think a lot of you want to feel you are not so extreme and are center, when you truly are.

I also think people very often misrepresent where they truly are politically in their arguments because they think it gives them clout or credibility.
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Corrik posted...

^ What do you want it to say? There was a lot of controversy on whether Sanders voters would ever vote for Hillary. How election was rigged against him. And their refusal to vote maybe costing her the election if they bled away. And how Bernie was more of an Independent than a Democrat.

Many Bernie Sanders supporters chose not to vote and called him out for being a hypocrite when he supported Clinton.

Is there specific passages you are referring to?

The author of the page suggests that Sanders might be a "Judas" for endorsing Clinton instead of Jill Stein. They call Clinton "hawkish pin-up girl of Wall Street." They suggest that Trump would be better for progressives than Clinton:

Thinking progressives, however, might reflect on the uncomfortable truth that a President Trump would be relentlessly scrutinised, criticised and checked not only by the Democrats, but also by many in his own party. Conversely, a Democratic president, ultimately more different in style than substance, would implement a largely Republican agenda in all but name and get a relatively easy ride. Havent the last eight years of neo-conservatism and Democratic deference brought the country too close already to a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state?

This is a person making a (very poor) political argument. That is not something you would attach to a good-faith effort to score candidates.
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Inviso posted...

Jakyl and Tony, but extreme liberal in modern society is practically center left.

Im a Vet who supports the military, has guns, and thinks identity politics are taken way too far.

Extreme Liberal

But seriously though, that 8 points political quiz thing called me a Libertarian Socialist, and I think its apt.

I want the government to help those who cant help themselves, and for everyone else it should leave them 100% alone.

Edit: Also protect the people from Corporations, but really thats included under help those who cant hekp themselves if you think about it.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-4.25&soc=-6.1
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8values. And here is mine.

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=53.7&d=42.0&g=46.2&s=63.1
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Corrik posted...

I think a lot of people do not like to see just where they truly are on a chart.

Like I think a lot of you want to feel you are not so extreme and are center, when you truly are.

I also think people very often misrepresent where they truly are politically in their arguments because they think it gives them clout or credibility.

According to the chart, you and I are similarly left, only Im also more Libertarian
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A lot of the Bernie or Bust noise turned out to be fake bots and Russian misinformation, Sanders primary voters ended voting for Hill to a reasonable degree.

As someone that was pretty annoyed with Bernie Bros I feel bad now :(
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

I think a lot of people do not like to see just where they truly are on a chart.

Like I think a lot of you want to feel you are not so extreme and are center, when you truly are.

I also think people very often misrepresent where they truly are politically in their arguments because they think it gives them clout or credibility.

According to the chart, you and I are similarly left, only Im also more Libertarian

But you probably err left on the questions you are less sure on while I err right. I usually an closer to the middle or very barely right. Thus I err right.
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I took the test aww yeah.
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as far as disagreeing with my actual chart goes, Left/Right isn't odd (I'm Canadian duh) but honestly Libertarian/Authoritarian seems completely off. I don't understand how I'm the most Libertarian here when I didn't answer favourably on the free market and I'm a big proponent of regulations.
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https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=72.0&d=67.6&g=66.2&s=76.2
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I took the test aww yeah.

Nice!
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https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=61.6&d=60.6&g=66.9&s=80.9

No surprises here.
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isidewith making a ton more sense



still a raging lefty but this time leaning a little authoritarian

... although weird, the Science category has me agreeing mostly with the GOP...

*checks*

oh, those questions were just about GMOs, vaccines, and nuclear power, well then that makes complete sense
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