Current Events > Why isn't White Supremacy taken more seriously as a threat?

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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Madfoot is a long time user of CE. I don't how long, but definitely before I joined. Apparently his name "madfoot" comes from his first account, and yes, he is a supremacist.

I've been on CE a long time and I've literally never seen anyone named Madfoot. I think the only place I might've seen a username like that was once on Hellhole when Burgess was still a mod there.

Yeah he lost that account a long time ago but that's the account he became "famous" on so that's his name!
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Madfoot is a long time user of CE. I don't how long, but definitely before I joined. Apparently his name "madfoot" comes from his first account, and yes, he is a supremacist.

I've been on CE a long time and I've literally never seen anyone named Madfoot. I think the only place I might've seen a username like that was once on Hellhole when Burgess was still a mod there.

40 seconds of googling led me to find this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/55258938

He was banned from gamefaqs 8 yrs ago for posting supremacist garbage, and has been posting under different alts since then.

Bio1590 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Old user who has a habit of stealing old accounts and has tons of them banned. He's been straight up told by the Mods that if he isn't actually a WS then he really needs to drop the gimmick...and yet here we are.

He also tries to pass himself off as a victim in all this.

<_< Is bover57 or w/e one of his accounts?

Darmik posted...

Because it's an example 20 years ago of a terrorist attack from a white supremacist group where the FBI arrested one guy and was done with it.

Isn't the connection to this topic obvious? It has always happened. You can't blame some college students who make some silly powerpoint presentation.

What? lmao seriously, what? The terrorist attack from 23 years ago has nothing to do with the college students, obviously. It couldn't, considering those students were born or went to college after that attack. That wasn't the point I was making in my first post at all. Did you even bother to read it and comprehend what I wrote?

There's a severe breakdown in our communication right now, and it's not because of any unwillingness on my part. >_>
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Bio1590 posted...

He also tries to pass himself off as a victim

typical supremacist behavior

Gonna leave the thread now since it's derailed into lies and personal attacks.
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SenTedCruz posted...

Gonna leave the thread now since it's derailed into lies and personal attacks.

So you ARE madfoot. LMAO

Shuto-uke posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

wait, senTedCruz is madfoot? Why is he taking the criticism of white supremacist groups so... personally? Suspicious!

Who is Madfoot and is he a white supremacist?

Madfoot is a long time user of CE. I don't how long, but definitely before I joined. Apparently his name "madfoot" comes from his first account, and yes, he is a supremacist.

I've been on CE a long time and I've literally never seen anyone named Madfoot. I think the only place I might've seen a username like that was once on Hellhole when Burgess was still a mod there.

40 seconds of googling led me to find this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/55258938

He was banned from gamefaqs 8 yrs ago for posting supremacist garbage, and has been posting under different alts since then.

It's weird looking at old topics and seeing the

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CEs_EFG posted...

Darmik posted...

You mentioned multiplayer games. Do white supremisists have people who just sit and play Overwatch, League, that type of thing and just spam their slurs or what is that tactic like?

Also lmfao people shit on each other online since the beginning of online

Your kneejerk reaction to discredit this interviewer completely ignores what the white supremacist says in response.

They drop benign hints and then ramp up when hooked.

Fortnight, Minecraft, COD, all of them. Yes, mostly foreign recruiters from Russia and eastern Europe and Poland.

So yes, while people have been trash-talking online for years, this has been acknowledged as an actual legitimate strategy used by white supremacists. I don't see how you could have missed this without deliberately ignoring it - if I didn't know any better, it'd almost like you're trying to defend white supremacy by discrediting actual admitted practices as lies and "bad journalism".
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

legendary_zell posted...

I don't think you're gonna be able to have a constructive conversation on this here. For one, most people here have a narrow, partially honest, partially self-serving definition of what white supremacy means. You can't be a white supremacist if you're not out there in a hood, burning crosses. White supremacy means open membership in groups that are so identified with white supremacy that you can't deny they are white supremacist without getting laughed out of town. It's so closely identified with a few specific groups and phrases that of course there's little threat in their minds.

Part of the problem is that society is very clear that being a white supremacist is bad and it's not okay to be a white supremacist, but is nowhere near as good at teaching people what white supremacy actually is, its history, its goals, its legacy, or how it persists today. And that leads to a situation where people definitely know they don't want to be identified as a white supremacist because all but the most far gone know that will make most people hate and disregard you. But that also gives a strong incentive to narrow the definition so much that it's defined out of existence.

You're pretty much proving the point I made in post #36 though. You're eager to mention that people have a self-serving definition for white supremacism, but you refuse to acknowledge how many self-serving definitions there are.

You have an entire generation of people constructing a religious framework in which everything and anything can and must be analyzed and interpreted in a way in which white supremacy is involved or responsible or related or at the root. And that causes fatigue in the discourse because it cheapens actual uncontested examples of white supremacy. No one denies that the neo-Nazi who drove his car into the crowd of protesters is a white supremacist, for example. But when you tell white people that everything and anything is because of white supremacy or an example of white supremacy, you end up having people who just tune out the religious rhetoric. Which might be why TC perceives it being taken as less of a threat.

Most of those pictures had nothing to do with white supremacy or its definition for one. Many of them were outright correct, while some were outright prejudiced toward white people. But again, that has nothing to do with white supremacy.

On a side note, I never really understood this "cheapening" argument. It's every individual's responsibility to have an accurate definition of abhorrent things. Someone allegedly misusing the word homophobia, racism, rape etc does not excuse anyone from identifying and standing against these things and it doesn't have that effect on most people. It's always struck me as a post-hoc justification for people who already didn't care about speaking out against those things and wouldn't affect any well adjusted person with an accurate conceptual framework.

There's a fundamental disconnect here because many are trying to recognize everywhere where white supremacy rears its ugly head because its role was largely ignored until recently and it's had a HUGE effect on American history at the very least. It was one of the foundational elements of our society from before the founding until like the 1970s. That's gonna have a tooooon of trickle down effects. It includes the idea itself, its effects, and the methods used to maintain it. But most people never get that far, they just learn KKK=White Supremacy and leave it at that. To you, that seems like a religious framework, but to others, that's just analyzing the true importance of the concept.

I'm not gonna deny that people go too far with it pretty frequently, but that's another inevitable effect of people never really being taught to understand white supremacy beyond group membership and the Civil War.
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why would you even want an ethnostate? then you couldn't have access to all the different flavors of dat ass hnnnngggggggg

variety is the spice of life something something
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All you gotta do is say "no I'm not madfoot and I'm not a white supremacist", but you'd rather whine and cry about how people are being mean and not respecting your desires of an ethnic cleansing.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

why would you even want an ethnostate? then you couldn't have access to all the different flavors of dat ass hnnnngggggggg

variety is the spice of life something something

Man, don't ask me. I grew up smack dab in diverse Long Island and I loved it.
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Hahahahahaha I totally forgot how Madfoot's accounts originally got axed. That's fucking incredible.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

What? lmao seriously, what? The terrorist attack from 23 years ago has nothing to do with the college students, obviously. It couldn't, considering those students were born or went to college after that attack. That wasn't the point I was making in my first post at all. Did you even bother to read it and comprehend what I wrote?

I saw you talking about how the term 'white supremacist' has been devalued and nothing else. What did I miss?

There is always fear mongering of foreign/ethnic terrorist groups and constant promises to crack down on it (hell a few days ago we had Trump signing autographs on photos of victims of illegal immigrants) but this never applies to the white supremacist groups who are also dangerous.

It happened back when towns were burned to the ground and minorities were lynched.

It happened when public figures got assassinated for their political causes.

It happened when a white supremacist bombed an Government building.

It happened when a white supremacist drove into a crowd and the President talked about both sides. Meanwhile the other day he's signing photos of people who have been killed by illegal immigrants.

The threat and damage of white supremacy is always downplayed or excused. You can see users doing it right here.
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Bio1590 posted...

Hahahahahaha I totally forgot how Madfoot's accounts originally got axed. That's fucking incredible.

I love the post where error goes like " *checks account.... WOW "

legendary_zell posted...

Most of those pictures had nothing to do with white supremacy or its definition for one. Many of them were outright correct, while some were outright prejudiced toward white people. But again, that has nothing to do with white supremacy.

none of those pictures were correct. a few of them are blatant anti-white racism. and they are related to how white supremacy is defined because just like with the word racism, white supremacy is being redefined into a broader framework of sorts. and there is a priesthood that is well-versed in the rhetoric used to "unpack" all the ways in which we are supposedly living in a white supremacist society.

it's literally a religion. having been deeply steeped in religion for a long fucking time, i see the parallels 100%. those students/professors in those pictures are building on that framework of finding white supremacy everywhere or blaming everything on white supremacy. Reasonable people can see that such an understanding of reality is unreasonable, because it's too reductive and general and not at all unlike how the Nazis talked about the Jews.

I mean, you yourself know what I'm talking about and acknowledge it when you admit that "people go too far with it pretty frequently." I'm just asking you to realize that people go too far with it much more frequently than you realize, and that doing so has ramifications for why more people aren't taking white supremacy seriously.

Imagine any of those students or professors from that picture, particularly the more egregious ones, lecturing us about what white supremacy is and why it's everywhere and how you can spot it and whatever bullshit is popular in that political sphere these days. Imagine hearing that type of stuff more and more in media / news / internet. What would happen? People would start to tune it out because we filter out things that are hyper-partisan and hyper-saturated with bias/agenda/religion.
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"Small groups aren't a threat. This is why we ignore Islamic terrorism in the US and don't freak out about BLM fighting a war on white people!"

Oh wait, people complain about that shit all the time.
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Darmik posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

What? lmao seriously, what? The terrorist attack from 23 years ago has nothing to do with the college students, obviously. It couldn't, considering those students were born or went to college after that attack. That wasn't the point I was making in my first post at all. Did you even bother to read it and comprehend what I wrote?

I saw you talking about how the term 'white supremacist' has been devalued and nothing else. What did I miss?

There is always fear mongering of foreign/ethnic terrorist groups and constant promises to crack down on it (hell a few days ago we had Trump signing autographs on photos of victims of illegal immigrants) but this never applies to the white supremacist groups who are also dangerous.

It happened back when towns were burned to the ground and minorities were lynched.

It happened when public figures got assassinated for their political causes.

It happened when a white supremacist bombed an Government building.

It happened when a white supremacist drove into a crowd and the President talked about both sides. Meanwhile the other day he's signing photos of people who have been killed by illegal immigrants.

The threat and damage of white supremacy is always downplayed or excused. You can see users doing it right here.

I think we have a threat of domestic terrorism. Not exclusively white supremacist terrorism, but terrorism. Some people drive into crowds at white nationalist rallies, and others shoot up gay nightclubs after pledging themselves to ISIS.

The point is that people are, at least in your perception, downplaying the threat and damage of white supremacy in the same way that you downplay the threat and damage of Islamic extremism. Ultimately, people filter out or tune out hyper-partisan depictions of reality because they get tired of hearing about them.

Do you agree that most of those students/professors in that picture overplay white supremacy? Do you then see how if that's all you see in the media or around you, you might tune it out or downplay the state of things? It's the same with how people who constantly see fear mongering about "da moose limbs" are going to filter that out too and downplay it even if there are avenues in which it's a legitimate threat.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

People would start to tune it out because we filter out things that are hyper-partisan and hyper-saturated with bias/agenda/religion

Why would we tune out everything if we only tune out the hyper-partisan? Everyone isn't imbecile with the attention span of a goldfish. If we can recognize the outrageous, then we can separate it from the legitimate.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

All you gotta do is say "no I'm not madfoot and I'm not a white supremacist", but you'd rather whine and cry about how people are being mean and not respecting your desires of an ethnic cleansing.

To clear it up, yes, I am madfoot, no, I am not a "white supreeeemist" or any kind of racist whatsoever, and up until a few years ago (i.e. months into Trump's campaign) I was a libertarian who skewed towards open borders. The foundation of this absurd mythos that's been built up about me is a stalker on these message boards who dug up a comment from off-site that may or may have not been posted by me, where the author said that after the Trump election and they had witnessed violent responses such as riots, which weren't equally reflected in such an organized manner by the Tea Party back after November 2008, that he could see the case for reducing legal immigration rates for a while so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again. It was a confused sentiment expressed by a confused person trying to figure out how to express himself.

Now, I'll make good on my promise to leave the thread because I'm sick of getting accounts banned for no reason and I want to lay low for a while.
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hockeybub89 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

People would start to tune it out because we filter out things that are hyper-partisan and hyper-saturated with bias/agenda/religion

Why would we tune out everything if we only tune out the hyper-partisan? Everyone isn't imbecile with the attention span of a goldfish. If we can recognize the outrageous, then we can separate it from the legitimate.

Eh, most people are imbeciles with goldfish-level attention. That, combined with social media today, creates a pretty deafening atmosphere.
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I also forgot Proud has me ignored.
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SenTedCruz posted...

Now, I'll make good on my promise to leave the thread because I'm sick of getting accounts banned for no reason and I want to lay low for a while.

You're pretty fucking lucky they even let you come here period broheim
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SenTedCruz posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

All you gotta do is say "no I'm not madfoot and I'm not a white supremacist", but you'd rather whine and cry about how people are being mean and not respecting your desires of an ethnic cleansing.

To clear it up, yes, I am madfoot, no, I am not a "white supreeeemist" or any kind of racist whatsoever, and up until a few years ago (i.e. months into Trump's campaign) I was a libertarian who skewed towards open borders. The foundation of this absurd mythos that's been built up about me is a stalker on these message boards who dug up a comment from off-site that may or may have not been posted by me, where the author said that after the Trump election and they had witnessed violent responses such as riots, which weren't equally reflected in such an organized manner by the Tea Party back after November 2008, that he could see the case for reducing legal immigration rates for a while so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again. It was a confused sentiment expressed by a confused person trying to figure out how to express himself.

Now, I'll make good on my promise to leave the thread because I'm sick of getting accounts banned for no reason and I want to lay low for a while.

This post just made you look worse, just so you know. It basically translates to "somebody found something I posted off CE whining about LEGAL immigration because, race. Now I need to lay low to let my current moderations slip off my usermap kthxbye"

SenTedCruz posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

All you gotta do is say "no I'm not madfoot and I'm not a white supremacist", but you'd rather whine and cry about how people are being mean and not respecting your desires of an ethnic cleansing.

To clear it up, yes, I am madfoot, no, I am not a "white supreeeemist" or any kind of racist whatsoever, and up until a few years ago (i.e. months into Trump's campaign) I was a libertarian who skewed towards open borders. The foundation of this absurd mythos that's been built up about me is a stalker on these message boards who dug up a comment from off-site that may or may have not been posted by me, where the author said that after the Trump election and they had witnessed violent responses such as riots, which weren't equally reflected in such an organized manner by the Tea Party back after November 2008, that he could see the case for reducing legal immigration rates for a while so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again. It was a confused sentiment expressed by a confused person trying to figure out how to express himself.

Now, I'll make good on my promise to leave the thread because I'm sick of getting accounts banned for no reason and I want to lay low for a while.

You can't even deny that it was you making those comments. Sod off man.
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Yeah, it's disgusting. They have had 80 years to see why Nazism and white supremacy are ideological garbage and yet people legitimize them by downplaying how disgusting their ideology is. Fuck Nazis.

Kineth posted...

Because this country seems to have a problem with admitting its faults, down to the individual level.

That's true , FBI stats back this up
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Shuto-uke posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

All you gotta do is say "no I'm not madfoot and I'm not a white supremacist", but you'd rather whine and cry about how people are being mean and not respecting your desires of an ethnic cleansing.

To clear it up, yes, I am madfoot, no, I am not a "white supreeeemist" or any kind of racist whatsoever, and up until a few years ago (i.e. months into Trump's campaign) I was a libertarian who skewed towards open borders. The foundation of this absurd mythos that's been built up about me is a stalker on these message boards who dug up a comment from off-site that may or may have not been posted by me, where the author said that after the Trump election and they had witnessed violent responses such as riots, which weren't equally reflected in such an organized manner by the Tea Party back after November 2008, that he could see the case for reducing legal immigration rates for a while so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again. It was a confused sentiment expressed by a confused person trying to figure out how to express himself.

Now, I'll make good on my promise to leave the thread because I'm sick of getting accounts banned for no reason and I want to lay low for a while.

This post just made you look worse, just so you know. It basically translates to "somebody found something I posted off CE whining about LEGAL immigration because, race. Now I need to lay low to let my current moderations slip off my usermap kthxbye"

If by race you mean "widespread violence in the name of protecting immigrants from a fascist dictatorship", then sure. Race has nothing to do with it. If I had seen this



Immediately in response to a Democrat being elected, then I would be like ok there is something wrong with the conservatives right now if they think that's an acceptable way to respond to a peaceful transfer of power in a civic structure too.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The point is that people are, at least in your perception, downplaying the threat and damage of white supremacy in the same way that you downplay the threat and damage of Islamic extremism.

How have I downplayed that threat?

I'm not concerned that the threat of Islamic terrorism isn't taken seriously. Border control is stricter than ever. I often see stories of police arresting people for terror plots. I see stories of kids who end up in Syria getting banned from the country after they were being monitored. When an attack is successful I see not only the perpetrator get arrested but I see Governments and police forces track down everyone involved. The risk of Islamic terrorism is taken very seriously.

If I posted a story about ISIS recruiting kids through social media that wouldn't be written away as 'shitposting.

The difference is that I also recognize that these bad apples don't represent the entire religion or the people. I don't expect Trump or some other leader to apologize after a white supremacist extremist attack. I don't have to be concerned that white people will experience any sort of backlash due to the actions of others. I don't expect that I will be personally criticized, judged or watched after the actions of a white supremacist. I'm solely talking about the white supremacist bad apples not being taken seriously.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Ultimately, people filter out or tune out hyper-partisan depictions of reality because they get tired of hearing about them.

Do you agree that most of those students/professors in that picture overplay white supremacy? Do you then see how if that's all you see in the media or around you, you might tune it out or downplay the state of things? It's the same with how people who constantly see fear mongering about "da moose limbs" are going to filter that out too and downplay it even if there are avenues in which it's a legitimate threat.

I don't see it in the media or all around me. I only see it on here from people whining about SJW's. I certainly don't experience it in my day to day life.

I'm guessing Muslims can't say the same. Not to mention I have Muslim friends who most certainly don't downplay Islamic terrorism due to hyper-partisan depictions.
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what do you mean taken seriously?

the vigilance is so high for them that normal people are called white supremacists everyday
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Darmik posted...

The difference is that I also recognize that these bad apples don't represent the entire religion or the people.

Good. This is why it looks silly to conflate white supremacist terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen with Chris Picciolini's conspiracy theories about Russian intelligence and Poles shilling on Fortnite.
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"I'm leaving!"

Narrator: "He did not".
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SenTedCruz posted...

Darmik posted...

The difference is that I also recognize that these bad apples don't represent the entire religion or the people.

Good. This is why it looks silly to conflate white supremacist terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen with Chris Picciolini's conspiracy theories about Russian intelligence and Poles shilling on Fortnite.

Why is this guy so ridiculous IYO?

You seem to not think very highly of him.
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holy fuck it's almost 12:30 on a Thursday night
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Darmik posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

Darmik posted...

The difference is that I also recognize that these bad apples don't represent the entire religion or the people.

Good. This is why it looks silly to conflate white supremacist terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen with Chris Picciolini's conspiracy theories about Russian intelligence and Poles shilling on Fortnite.

Why is this guy so ridiculous IYO?

You seem to not think very highly of him.

I think my point in that post was more to highlight your statement, "bad apples don't represent the entire group". That's a good mindset to hold, individualist, and a very American one. That was basically the President of the United States' message too, about there being good and bad apples in every camp, which you seemed to take issue with in #166.

Just to clear up what I meant.
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SenTedCruz posted...

Darmik posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

Darmik posted...

The difference is that I also recognize that these bad apples don't represent the entire religion or the people.

Good. This is why it looks silly to conflate white supremacist terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen with Chris Picciolini's conspiracy theories about Russian intelligence and Poles shilling on Fortnite.

Why is this guy so ridiculous IYO?

You seem to not think very highly of him.

I think my point in that post was more to highlight your statement, "bad apples don't represent the entire group". That's a good mindset to hold, individualist, and a very American one. That was basically the President of the United States' message too, about there being good and bad apples in every camp, which you seemed to take issue with in #166.

Just to clear up what I meant.

You said this earlier
SenTedCruz posted...

Literally Chris Picciolini lol.

Care to explain what you meant?

Also Trump said it in reference to a specific white supremacist march. So of course I take issue with it.
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SenTedCruz posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

All you gotta do is say "no I'm not madfoot and I'm not a white supremacist", but you'd rather whine and cry about how people are being mean and not respecting your desires of an ethnic cleansing.

To clear it up, yes, I am madfoot, no, I am not a "white supreeeemist" or any kind of racist whatsoever, and up until a few years ago (i.e. months into Trump's campaign) I was a libertarian who skewed towards open borders. The foundation of this absurd mythos that's been built up about me is a stalker on these message boards who dug up a comment from off-site that may or may have not been posted by me, where the author said that after the Trump election and they had witnessed violent responses such as riots, which weren't equally reflected in such an organized manner by the Tea Party back after November 2008, that he could see the case for reducing legal immigration rates for a while so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again. It was a confused sentiment expressed by a confused person trying to figure out how to express himself.

Now, I'll make good on my promise to leave the thread because I'm sick of getting accounts banned for no reason and I want to lay low for a while.

This post just made you look worse, just so you know. It basically translates to "somebody found something I posted off CE whining about LEGAL immigration because, race. Now I need to lay low to let my current moderations slip off my usermap kthxbye"

If by race you mean "widespread violence in the name of protecting immigrants from a fascist dictatorship", then sure. Race has nothing to do with it. If I had seen this



Immediately in response to a Democrat being elected, then I would be like ok there is something wrong with the conservatives right now if they think that's an acceptable way to respond to a peaceful transfer of power in a civic structure too.

What does this have to do with doing away with LEGAL immigration? Focus buddy, focus.

See, you let your RREEEE racial stuff betray you again. So much for a guy who has said twice already that he'd leave this topic

If white people wanted to hold a white Selma, what would it take for you to recognize that as non-hateful and non-racist? What would that look like? Just genuinely curious as a thought experiment. And do you think such a rally would still receive hatred and get called names?
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Shuto-uke posted...

What does this have to do with doing away with LEGAL immigration?

SenTedCruz posted...

reducing legal immigration rates for a while

This is what happens when you don't read someone's posts. And as for the "what does it have to do with" part.

SenTedCruz posted...

so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again.

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For a guy who had a hissy fit and left the topic, you're sure posting a lot

SenTedCruz posted...

If white people wanted to hold a white Selma, what would it take for you to recognize that as non-hateful and non-racist? What would that look like? Just genuinely curious as a thought experiment. And do you think such a rally would still receive hatred and get called names?

Why are you talking about hypotheticals?

I'm talking about the literal white supremacist march lead by a white supremacist that Trump said 'fine people on both sides' about.

Why aren't you answering about the ex-white supremacist Chris Picciolini? Why are you already familiar with him? Why don't you take him seriously?
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SenTedCruz posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

What does this have to do with doing away with LEGAL immigration?

SenTedCruz posted...

reducing legal immigration rates for a while

This is what happens when you don't read someone's posts. And as for the "what does it have to do with" part.

SenTedCruz posted...

so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again.

Yeah and your basis for this is a bunch of people holding rallies, as per your pics? What makes you thnk the people in those pics you posted are immigrants?

Shuto-uke posted...

SenTedCruz posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

What does this have to do with doing away with LEGAL immigration?

SenTedCruz posted...

reducing legal immigration rates for a while

This is what happens when you don't read someone's posts. And as for the "what does it have to do with" part.

SenTedCruz posted...

so that the citizens and legal residents already here can have a calming down period and learn to like each other again.

Yeah and your basis for this is a bunch of people holding rallies, as per your pics? What makes you thnk the people in those pics you posted are immigrants?

I literally never said they were or weren't immigrants. You're trying really hard to be a poor conversationalist.

SenTedCruz posted...

"widespread violence in the name of protecting immigrants from a fascist dictatorship"

It's about doing shitty things in the name of pro-immigration that I have a problem with. It's like, "Woah, calm down, you need to pick a better strategy or you get a time out".

Darmik posted...

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I'm more interested in hearing you answer my question and if you can't, this conversation is over. It's impossible to answer the questions in your thread without clear definitions and boundaries.
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Bye. Not interested in talking vague hypotheticals.
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@SenTedCruz what is so wrong about being say, from latin america or maybe southern europe in your eyes?

nothing
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I'm not gonna read most of the topic

but the answer is "because it's the status quo"
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Shuto-uke posted...

@SenTedCruz what is so wrong about being say, from latin america or maybe southern europe in your eyes?

Southern Europe has it's own White Supremacy problem with Italy, especially the new Prime Minister. Not to mention a lot of neo-Nazis in the US have Italian names.
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Salvini-sama isn't a white supremacist rofl
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Why isn't White Supremacy taken more seriously as a threat?

this is why:


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