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We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true
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Wow a good topic for once
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So i should get black out drunk

Gotcha
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How can we be real if our eyes aren't real?
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iHuman posted...

We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

how can consciousness be an illusion if you've clearly defined a function of consciousness?
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

iHuman posted...

We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

how can consciousness be an illusion if you've clearly defined a function of consciousness?

Because we think consciousness is something that sets us apart from other forms of matter. But in reality everything is conscious, we just have a millions and millions of more options than something like a rock
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youre tripping tc
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The human brain is a computer which constantly runs simulations of its environment, based on sensory input. The sensation of "consciousness" arises from the brain's representation of itself in the simulation. We feel choices but the algorithm makes them.
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Polycosm posted...

The human brain is a computer which constantly runs simulations of its environment, based on sensory input. The sensation of "consciousness" arises from the brain's representation of itself in the simulation. We feel choices but the algorithm makes them.

sounds like semantics to me
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Polycosm posted...

The human brain is a computer which constantly runs simulations of its environment, based on sensory input. The sensation of "consciousness" arises from the brain's representation of itself in the simulation. We feel choices but the algorithm makes them.

This isn't a terrible analogy but I was thinking about the orbit if Mercury, it becomes erratic because it's near the Sun. Looking at Mercury in comparison with the other planets one could say Mercury has a mind of its own.

Compare us to a random animal, we can map out what that animal will do fairly accurately.

I'm extrapolating quite a bit but I'm confident that any plausible theory will mirror this fact.
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But I know every rock and tree and creature
Has a life, has a spirit, has a name

iHuman posted...

We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

Am I a robot? Y/N?
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This is making my brain hurt.
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orangefire25 posted...

This is making my brain hurt.

ESS TEE PEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

iHuman posted...

We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

Am I a robot? Y/N?

well you are
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i don't think free will is an illusion

you can will anything you can think of, that doesn't mean you will actually do it. even Descartes says that humans make mistakes because they will things their intellect cannot rationalize properly
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iHuman posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

iHuman posted...

We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

how can consciousness be an illusion if you've clearly defined a function of consciousness?

Because we think consciousness is something that sets us apart from other forms of matter. But in reality everything is conscious, we just have a millions and millions of more options than something like a rock

iHuman posted...

Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

Well, you said consciousness is our ability to recognize, and then say everything is conscious...but there is no proof that inanimate objects, like rocks, can recognize.

The very fabric of the universe is conciousness. You cant have time or even exist without it. Its literally impossible for the universe to exists if conciousness wasnt an intrinsic part of it
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I think consciousness is nested inside existence.

solosnake posted...

The very fabric of the universe is conciousness. You cant have time or even exist without it. Its literally impossible for the universe to exists if conciousness wasnt an intrinsic part of it

this is some straight nonsense. so the universe didnt exist before sentient life arose? do go on
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LedZeppelin posted...

this is some straight nonsense. so the universe didnt exist before sentient life arose? do go on

No, the universe itself has some form of consciousness. Irregardless of sentient life as you perceive it.
The very fabric of the universe is more similar to mental enrgy than simply dead in-animate material
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solosnake posted...

LedZeppelin posted...

this is some straight nonsense. so the universe didnt exist before sentient life arose? do go on

No, the universe itself has some form of consciousness. Irregardless of sentient life as you perceive it.
The very fabric of the universe is more similar to mental enrgy than simply dead in-animate material

1. thats a pretty nutty assertion which you have no real proof or evidence to support
2. saying irregardless makes you sound ridiculously uneducated
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ok hoth
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Whose alt are you tc
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Irregardless is not a word.

But now that I think about it, I might have just learned that they added it cuz so many people use it even though they mean regardless.

MC_BatCommander posted...

Whose alt are you tc

This concept of alt illudes me
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That algorithm has a name, it's God.
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8-bit_Biceps posted...

iHuman posted...

MedeaLysistrata posted...

iHuman posted...

We are governed by a complicated, to put it lightly, algorithm that grants us almost the ability to do anything. Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

how can consciousness be an illusion if you've clearly defined a function of consciousness?

Because we think consciousness is something that sets us apart from other forms of matter. But in reality everything is conscious, we just have a millions and millions of more options than something like a rock

iHuman posted...

Consciousness is merely our ability to recognize that this could be true

Well, you said consciousness is our ability to recognize, and then say everything is conscious...but there is no proof that inanimate objects, like rocks, can recognize.

Yes Im saying our illusion of consciousness is no different than a rock, it is just so complicated we can only talk about it terms of our connotation of consciousness. When we understand the laws governing our behavior it will be akin to a rock falling because of gravity. Our recognition in a sense is another illusion.

We believe this is a product of something outside of the physical program but it is really a part of it.

It's not lost on me that our range of potential actions when compared to a rock or anything else mirrors our notion of consciousness and free will though.
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nice
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How naive.solosnake posted...

The very fabric of the universe is conciousness.

I would say consciousness is an inherent property to anything that is. The richness of consciousness depends on how much information can be absorbed and how it is stored. Everything that occurs is at its very core and exchange of information. The state of all things is in essence a log of information.

Exchanges of information are inherently imperfect. I believe this includes a thing acquiring information about itself. Our subjective nature is not a result of some handicap preventing us from perceiving objective truths. It is in fact the inevitable result of existing in a universe that is inherently imperfect itself. Yet saying there is no objective truth is not the point I am getting at. That could be said, but the implication of an inherently imperfect universe is that objectivity and subjectivity are equally valid when describing the true nature of everything. Either, both, neither, or any combination of those, including said combinations are equally valid.

It can be said that this and that are illusions but they also are. They are as much as anything. One can really make whatever they want out of it, but I believe in practicality. Making things complicated is fun to think about, but in the end I care about happiness and love. There's more to gain from being practical about our experience than trying to invalidate it.

That's just my take on things.

-yawn-
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"fuck you i won't do what you tell me"

- ac/dc
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my girlfriend is an illusion lmao!!!

:(
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