Current Events > Yea these countries are better at soccer than the USA

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Let's turn this into a ground war and see who wins.

Why are you triggered by a sport you dont care about?

the world was so triggered by not being able to play our sports they pretend kicking a ball around is an actual sport
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Women's soccer though

We dominate

I've always wondered why soccer/football didn't take off in the US. There are a stupid number of youth leagues in my area. I was just never really good at it

treewojima posted...

I've always wondered why soccer/football didn't take off in the US. There are a stupid number of youth leagues in my area. I was just never really good at it

it's structured COMPLETELY differently form euro/african/asian ball

you play soccer for a quarter of the year in the US
they play soccer year round
they get professional coaches for everything
the farming system is different
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

treewojima posted...

I've always wondered why soccer/football didn't take off in the US. There are a stupid number of youth leagues in my area. I was just never really good at it

it's structured COMPLETELY differently form euro/african/asian ball

you play soccer for a quarter of the year in the US
they play soccer year round
they get professional coaches for everything
the farming system is different

huh

that kinda goes for any pro sport though. the athletes don't quit training just because they aren't having ranked matches against each other

for example, the Washington Redskins have their training camp about 10-15 minutes from my work. it's basically a field underneath a big air conditioned tent, since it's like 100 degrees with 90 percent humidity right now

treewojima posted...

huh

that kinda goes for any pro sport though. the athletes don't quit training just because they aren't having ranked matches against each other

for example, the Washington Redskins have their training camp about 10-15 minutes from my work. it's basically a field underneath a big air conditioned tent, since it's like 100 degrees with 90 percent humidity right now

no like
from elementary school they are doing this
and i mean PERSONAL professional coaches

also the biggest clubs scout constantly and develop players in house
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Why are you triggered by a sport you dont care about?

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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

treewojima posted...

huh

that kinda goes for any pro sport though. the athletes don't quit training just because they aren't having ranked matches against each other

for example, the Washington Redskins have their training camp about 10-15 minutes from my work. it's basically a field underneath a big air conditioned tent, since it's like 100 degrees with 90 percent humidity right now

no like
from elementary school they are doing this
and i mean PERSONAL professional coaches

also the biggest clubs scout constantly and develop players in house

i see. interesting

yeah, in elementary school they just threw us a soccer ball and told us to have at it for an hour or so lol

treewojima posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

treewojima posted...

huh

that kinda goes for any pro sport though. the athletes don't quit training just because they aren't having ranked matches against each other

for example, the Washington Redskins have their training camp about 10-15 minutes from my work. it's basically a field underneath a big air conditioned tent, since it's like 100 degrees with 90 percent humidity right now

no like
from elementary school they are doing this
and i mean PERSONAL professional coaches

also the biggest clubs scout constantly and develop players in house

i see. interesting

yeah, in elementary school they just threw us a soccer ball and told us to have at it for an hour or so lol

I have a relative on a nfl football team and apparently he was scouted as a kid lol. Also, Malcom Gladwells outliers touches on this.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I have a relative on a nfl football team and apparently he was scouted as a kid lol. Also, Malcom Gladwells outliers touches on this.

yeah we have the system set up for football

not soccer

soccer is a quarterly pass the time/daycare sport in america
at least, it was
it's gaining steam but apparently it's market saturation that kills soccer really
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soccer is about who has the richest parents in the us. if you're good but poor, they won't play you.
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I used to coach in the USA. I was threatened with firing because I played the talented kids over the ones with the richest parents.

Sums it up from I could see. If you were good, it was totally meaningless unless you had money. The UK equivalent would be tennis.

treewojima posted...

I've always wondered why soccer/football didn't take off in the US. There are a stupid number of youth leagues in my area. I was just never really good at it

All the talented athletes go NFL or NBA
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There are a lot of obstacles to developmental success for soccer talent in this country. Like, Clint Dempsey is one of the best players we've produced; he had a lengthy and solid stint in the Premier League.

When Dempsey was 20, he was playing for Furman College, under the completely different NCAA ruleset, for just a fraction of the year.

Comparatively, most of the major stars in other countries are on their second, third, fourth years as full-time pros by age 20.
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knutjob posted...

I used to coach in the USA. I was threatened with firing because I played the talented kids over the ones with the richest parents.

Sums it up from I could see. If you were good, it was totally meaningless unless you had money. The UK equivalent would be tennis.

That's not US issue, that pretty much happens everywhere, especially in poor countries where parent see their kids as the only way to success and money.
It goes to the point where parents are banned from attending their kids practices and games.

As for why US isn't successful is a long story.
First of all, your sport structure can't work for football (soccer).
Higschool team->college team->professional team doesn't work.

It would be hard to do it only for football, but MLS needs to scrap the draft and introduce youth teams like everywhere else in the world.
Teams bring in kids to their youth academy, pay for their education during the process, players develop and eventually get to the senior team.
And that's just the start.

voldothegr8 posted...

All the talented athletes go NFL or NBA

Those two sports require completely different talents and physical tools.

GunmaN1905 posted...

It would be hard to do it only for football, but MLS needs to scrap the draft and introduce youth teams like everywhere else in the world.
Teams bring in kids to their youth academy, pay for their education during the process, players develop and eventually get to the senior team.

They already do that, though. But in a country this large, 24 team academies are not going to cover all its territory
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Professional soccer is a dumb concept anyway. A contest of a country's top athletic talent...but they can't use their hands.

Antifar posted...

They already do that, though. But in a country this large, 24 team academies are not going to cover all its territory

Yeah, you need relegation/promotion systems, second/third/fourth division and a lot more teams.

Inevitably, bigger cities will have the best teams, but that's just how it works.
Make small cities start from lower leagues and if football becomes their most popular sport they will surely get into the top division at some point.

I know US sport is all about spectacle and showbusiness, but current system is terrible for youth development.

If you for example have a 18yo prospect on a top division team. They can loan him out to second division team where he plays against actual players and not just other kids and gains a lot of experience.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Professional soccer is a dumb concept anyway. A contest of a country's top athletic talent...but they can't use their hands.

That has to be the worst bait attempt I've seen in a while.

We have a second division. We had a third division for the past 12 years or so, it is starting back up in the next couple years.
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Antifar posted...

We have a second division. A third division is starting in the next couple years.

Do teams get relegated or being terrible is rewarding and gets you top draft picks like in the NBA?

Because the country is so big, you need at least a 100 professional clubs in top3/4 divisions and 200-300 semi-professional in lower divisions.

football*
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Very little of the league's talent is coming through the college draft, but yes, the worst teams do get the best draft picks.
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GunmaN1905 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Professional soccer is a dumb concept anyway. A contest of a country's top athletic talent...but they can't use their hands.

That has to be the worst bait attempt I've seen in a while.

No, that really is my genuine opinion. I think it's really dumb how the top athletic talent in most of the world's countries are drawn to a physical competition with a handicap gimmick against using our species's most defining physical attribute.

Soccer is great and all, but I think it's unfitting for it to be where it is. It's pretty much only where it is because of poverty.

It's dumb how Americans call a sport where you barely kick the ball football.
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Every country on Earth (besides US): Haha US sucks at soccer!

299,999,999 Americans: Who cares

TC: WE WILL KILL YOU ALL
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

No, that really is my genuine opinion. I think it's really dumb how the top athletic talent in most of the world's countries are drawn to a physical competition with a handicap gimmick against using our species's most defining physical attribute.

Why is it a gimmick?
In basketball, you can't kick it with your feet.

And for those players, their biggest talent is skills with their feet.
Even if we ignore that you must possess certain physical talents (height) for basketball, put those players on basketball court, their potential ability is far from footballing one.
I'm taking basketball as an example because I don't follow any other team sports played in USA.

There's handball, that's also really popular in Europe. I always wonder why it never took off in America. It's everything you people see as entertaining.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball
40-60 goals per 60min games, a lot of contact and rough fouls more than in basketball for exmaple.
Players are very athletic and a lot of actions are very aesthetically pleasing.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Soccer is great and all, but I think it's unfitting for it to be where it is. It's pretty much only where it is because of poverty.

Yeah, because NBA top stars all came from rich families and healthy envoriments.

GunmaN1905 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

All the talented athletes go NFL or NBA

Those two sports require completely different talents and physical tools.

Athleticism is athleticism. It doesn't matter what sport a gifted athlete plays in, they're typically going to be good regardless of what they train for.
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voldothegr8 posted...

GunmaN1905 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

All the talented athletes go NFL or NBA

Those two sports require completely different talents and physical tools.

Athleticism is athleticism. It doesn't matter what sport a gifted athlete plays in, they're typically going to be good regardless of what they train for.

No, it's not.

You can't play football (soccer) in modern day and age if you don't have the required skill.
Even goalkeepers need to be good with ball these days.

In basketball, there's less and less players that can't shoot threes. Traditional centers get run off the court by teams that have 3pt shooting centers.

Idk about NFL, don't watch it.

US shouldve still gotten in considering the regional competition.

Oh well, the regional powerhouse (Mexico) has once again fucked up in the knockout stage for a few decades running.
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