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ParanoidObsessive 07/07/18 2:20:53 PM #51:	Blighboy posted... I don't think this really proves that both choices are equally terrible though which was your initial point. No, my point was that no matter who you voted for, we were all getting fucked, so acting like people voted for the "wrong" person is a flawed argument. They were BOTH the wrong person. Had Hillary won, we'd be having this exact same discussion, except people would be complaining that people voted for her instead of Trump. And since we can't compare two parallel alternate timelines to see who has it worse, we can't really prove which of those two scenarios was objectively worse. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:904655093] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think this really proves that both choices are equally terrible though which was your initial point.</quote> No, my point was that no matter who you voted for, we were all getting fucked, so acting like people voted for the "wrong" person is a flawed argument. They were BOTH the wrong person. Had Hillary won, we'd be having this exact same discussion, except people would be complaining that people voted for her instead of Trump. And since we can't compare two parallel alternate timelines to see who has it worse, we can't really prove which of those two scenarios was objectively worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/07/18 2:21:34 PM #52:	SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years. Where did I say that? --- peel my skin like a clementine https://youtu.be/VBOPCOFA5P4 <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:904655117] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years.</quote> Where did I say that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/07/18 2:22:50 PM #53:	And to be fair, that's even completely ignoring all of the global political factors beyond ANYONE'S control. Because of the nature of geopolitics and the world situation at this point, we could have somehow managed to vote in the best possible candidate the US has ever seen, and STILL see economic downturn, because a lot of our current economic downturn is the result of rebalancing factors predicated on things entirely outside of our control as a nation. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:904655167] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote>And to be fair, that's even completely ignoring all of the global political factors beyond ANYONE'S control. Because of the nature of geopolitics and the world situation at this point, we could have somehow managed to vote in the best possible candidate the US has ever seen, and STILL see economic downturn, because a lot of our current economic downturn is the result of rebalancing factors predicated on things entirely outside of our control as a nation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 07/07/18 2:26:12 PM #54:	ParanoidObsessive posted... No, my point was that no matter who you voted for, we were all getting fucked, so acting like people voted for the "wrong" person is a flawed argument. They were BOTH the wrong person. Plenty of people supported both in addition to despising both. Saying they were both wrong with no additional support for your statement is no more convincing then saying one was right and the other wrong. Furthermore very few relevant debates will ever be settled by some kind of singular proof. That doesn't mean these discussions aren't worth having. That's exactly how the government functions. Ideally the current political climate will push one or both parties to have better candidates next time. --- https://imgur.com/ymuEJsp <cite>Blighboy posted [p:904655321] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>No, my point was that no matter who you voted for, we were all getting fucked, so acting like people voted for the "wrong" person is a flawed argument. They were BOTH the wrong person.</quote> Plenty of people supported both in addition to despising both. Saying they were both wrong with no additional support for your statement is no more convincing then saying one was right and the other wrong. Furthermore very few relevant debates will ever be settled by some kind of singular proof. That doesn't mean these discussions aren't worth having. That's exactly how the government functions. Ideally the current political climate will push one or both parties to have better candidates next time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 07/07/18 2:27:37 PM #55:	ParanoidObsessive posted... And to be fair, that's even completely ignoring all of the global political factors beyond ANYONE'S control. Because of the nature of geopolitics and the world situation at this point, we could have somehow managed to vote in the best possible candidate the US has ever seen, and STILL see economic downturn, because a lot of our current economic downturn is the result of rebalancing factors predicated on things entirely outside of our control as a nation. That could happen, but in most discussions you'd want to present a reason as to why. Humans can actually predict a lot of events with relative certainty given enough effort rather than dismissing statements out of hand. --- https://imgur.com/ymuEJsp <cite>Blighboy posted [p:904655374] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>And to be fair, that's even completely ignoring all of the global political factors beyond ANYONE'S control. Because of the nature of geopolitics and the world situation at this point, we could have somehow managed to vote in the best possible candidate the US has ever seen, and STILL see economic downturn, because a lot of our current economic downturn is the result of rebalancing factors predicated on things entirely outside of our control as a nation. </quote> That could happen, but in most discussions you'd want to present a reason as to why. Humans can actually predict a lot of events with relative certainty given enough effort rather than dismissing statements out of hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/07/18 2:35:05 PM #56:	McSame_as_Bush posted... SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years. Where did I say that? By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses. --- PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:904655730] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years.</quote> Where did I say that?</quote> By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/07/18 2:42:08 PM #57:	SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years. Where did I say that? By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses. Trump has literally been on every side of every issue. So it's a bad comparison to make. --- peel my skin like a clementine https://youtu.be/VBOPCOFA5P4 <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:904656045] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years.</quote> Where did I say that?</quote> By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses.</quote> Trump has literally been on every side of every issue. So it's a bad comparison to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/07/18 2:47:47 PM #58:	McSame_as_Bush posted... SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years. Where did I say that? By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses. Trump has literally been on every side of every issue. So it's a bad comparison to make. Playing both sides of an issue is a trait of the worst type of politician. Remember, you implied he had no previous political leanings prior to running for office, fallacy #1, and now you're saying because of his fence sitting, his political leanings were unknown, fallacy #2. It was quite clear his entire goal has to been to protect big business while allowing them to continue to exploit the environment and the populace. --- PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:904656296] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years.</quote> Where did I say that?</quote> By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses.</quote> Trump has literally been on every side of every issue. So it's a bad comparison to make.</quote> Playing both sides of an issue is a trait of the worst type of politician. Remember, you implied he had no previous political leanings prior to running for office, fallacy #1, and now you're saying because of his fence sitting, his political leanings were unknown, fallacy #2. It was quite clear his entire goal has to been to protect big business while allowing them to continue to exploit the environment and the populace.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/07/18 2:52:03 PM #59:	Blighboy posted... That could happen, but in most discussions you'd want to present a reason as to why. I usually would, if this was an actual intellectual discussion and not the usual political dick-waving contest on a video game message board. That being said, I've already mentioned in the past that the real problem we currently face is that the US is in a disproportionate economic position, and have been since the 1950s. A combination of Europe effectively wrecking itself, Asia being weakened by lack of industrialization and colonization, and then later the USSR burning itself up in military competition with "The West" allowed the US to move into a position of unparalleled dominance. But Europe has more than recovered from most of that damage (and proceeded to unite in an economic union that gives them even greater advantages to offset the lose of colonial assets), and both China and India have shaken off colonial restraints AND received the benefits of both advanced agricultural fertilizers/crop yield and industrialization/technological benefits (which allows their greater population pressure to revert to being the most important economic force on a more equal playing field). Ultimately, the US has gone from being the biggest fish in the pond to being just another fish surrounded by other fish of equal (or even larger) size, all of whom are competing for resources and driving up the cost of doing business. And thus the US finds it harder and harder to compete, and suffers economic losses as rivals move into positions of power. Literally nothing a US President or Congress can do at this point can offset that particular economic trend. Even the occasional knee-jerk militant response to "bomb everyone else back to the Stone Age" wouldn't work, because we're so tied into the global economy at this point, the collapse of nations like China or confederations like the EU would pretty much tank the US economy as well (which, in reverse, is the same reason China can't "attack" the US militarily, no matter what doomsayers might think). A President making all the best decisions might be able to slow that slide, while a President making every wrong decision could easily accelerate it, but to be perfectly frank, no one is ever going to "Make America Great Again", at least not in the sense that "great" means "when we were absolutely on top and reaping all the benefits". --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:904656489] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>That could happen, but in most discussions you'd want to present a reason as to why.</quote> I usually would, if this was an actual intellectual discussion and not the usual political dick-waving contest on a video game message board. That being said, I've already mentioned in the past that the real problem we currently face is that the US is in a disproportionate economic position, and have been since the 1950s. A combination of Europe effectively wrecking itself, Asia being weakened by lack of industrialization and colonization, and then later the USSR burning itself up in military competition with "The West" allowed the US to move into a position of unparalleled dominance. But Europe has more than recovered from most of that damage (and proceeded to unite in an economic union that gives them even greater advantages to offset the lose of colonial assets), and both China and India have shaken off colonial restraints AND received the benefits of both advanced agricultural fertilizers/crop yield and industrialization/technological benefits (which allows their greater population pressure to revert to being the most important economic force on a more equal playing field). Ultimately, the US has gone from being the biggest fish in the pond to being just another fish surrounded by other fish of equal (or even larger) size, all of whom are competing for resources and driving up the cost of doing business. And thus the US finds it harder and harder to compete, and suffers economic losses as rivals move into positions of power. Literally nothing a US President or Congress can do at this point can offset that particular economic trend. Even the occasional knee-jerk militant response to "bomb everyone else back to the Stone Age" wouldn't work, because we're so tied into the global economy at this point, the collapse of nations like China or confederations like the EU would pretty much tank the US economy as well (which, in reverse, is the same reason China can't "attack" the US militarily, no matter what doomsayers might think). A President making all the best decisions might be able to slow that slide, while a President making every wrong decision could easily accelerate it, but to be perfectly frank, no one is ever going to "Make America Great Again", at least not in the sense that "great" means "when we were absolutely on top and reaping all the benefits". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/07/18 2:52:09 PM #60:	Blighboy posted... Plenty of people supported both in addition to despising both. Saying they were both wrong with no additional support for your statement is no more convincing then saying one was right and the other wrong. Yes, but we're on the Internet. Every political position either of them have ever espoused is already available in multiple places, and you're free to do the research if you're really interested. Yes, I could cite chapter and verse, but again, this is PotD and I can't even remotely give enough of a fuck to go to that much effort, unless you all want to chip in and start a Patreon to pay me to do it. Especially when pretty much everyone here has already more than made up their minds long ago, and aren't going to be swayed by facts or data anyway. Doubly so the sort of people who rant about how Trump is the worstest President evar or otherwise rely almost entirely on hyperbole and emotional arguments themselves rather than trying to rationally present a worthwhile case. So yes, what you get is "they both suck" and "quit whining". Blighboy posted... Ideally the current political climate will push one or both parties to have better candidates next time. It's never happened before, why would it happen now? If anything, history has shown us that when a terrible candidate wins, most future candidates tend to stoop to the same level and use the same tricks, opening the door for even more terrible candidates to run and win. Kennedy won on looks and charisma alone, and it's become standard practice for media manipulation to push campaign success. Multiple recent campaigns have discovered that it's easier to push character or broad ideology over experience or pertinent issues, so that will continue. Trump showed how polarizing the Internet and pushing outsider appeal can lead to success, so expect the next election cycle to heavily resort to astroturfing and bombast over sound strategy or well planned out platforms. And to be fair, it wasn't even Trump's fault that we were in that position in the first place. And with everyone focusing more on HIM specifically, it's unlikely we'll see anything resembling the sort of systemic reform that would be necessary to prevent that sort of scenario from occurring again in the future. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:904656495] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>Plenty of people supported both in addition to despising both. Saying they were both wrong with no additional support for your statement is no more convincing then saying one was right and the other wrong.</quote> Yes, but we're on the Internet. Every political position either of them have ever espoused is already available in multiple places, and you're free to do the research if you're really interested. Yes, I could cite chapter and verse, but again, this is PotD and I can't even remotely give enough of a fuck to go to that much effort, unless you all want to chip in and start a Patreon to pay me to do it. Especially when pretty much everyone here has already more than made up their minds long ago, and aren't going to be swayed by facts or data anyway. Doubly so the sort of people who rant about how Trump is the worstest President evar or otherwise rely almost entirely on hyperbole and emotional arguments themselves rather than trying to rationally present a worthwhile case. So yes, what you get is "they both suck" and "quit whining". <cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote>Ideally the current political climate will push one or both parties to have better candidates next time.</quote> It's never happened before, why would it happen now? If anything, history has shown us that when a terrible candidate wins, most future candidates tend to stoop to the same level and use the same tricks, opening the door for even more terrible candidates to run and win. Kennedy won on looks and charisma alone, and it's become standard practice for media manipulation to push campaign success. Multiple recent campaigns have discovered that it's easier to push character or broad ideology over experience or pertinent issues, so that will continue. Trump showed how polarizing the Internet and pushing outsider appeal can lead to success, so expect the next election cycle to heavily resort to astroturfing and bombast over sound strategy or well planned out platforms. And to be fair, it wasn't even Trump's fault that we were in that position in the first place. And with everyone focusing more on HIM specifically, it's unlikely we'll see anything resembling the sort of systemic reform that would be necessary to prevent that sort of scenario from occurring again in the future. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/07/18 2:54:45 PM #61:	SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years. Where did I say that? By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses. Trump has literally been on every side of every issue. So it's a bad comparison to make. Playing both sides of an issue is a trait of the worst type of politician. Remember, you implied he had no previous political leanings prior to running for office, fallacy #1, and now you're saying because of his fence sitting, his political leanings were unknown, fallacy #2. It was quite clear his entire goal has to been to protect big business while allowing them to continue to exploit the environment and the populace. My implication only existed in your mind. --- peel my skin like a clementine https://youtu.be/VBOPCOFA5P4 <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:904656605] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> Imagine being so ignorant of the truths of the world, to think that trump made no political affiliations during his businessman years.</quote> Where did I say that?</quote> By implying that Hillary was the only one with previous political leanings. Much like we don't allow the church to control politics, we should also not allow businesses.</quote> Trump has literally been on every side of every issue. So it's a bad comparison to make.</quote> Playing both sides of an issue is a trait of the worst type of politician. Remember, you implied he had no previous political leanings prior to running for office, fallacy #1, and now you're saying because of his fence sitting, his political leanings were unknown, fallacy #2. It was quite clear his entire goal has to been to protect big business while allowing them to continue to exploit the environment and the populace.</quote> My implication only existed in your mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/07/18 2:59:09 PM #62:	McSame_as_Bush posted... My implication only existed in your mind. McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. No, you're implication was quite clear. --- PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:904656820] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>My implication only existed in your mind.</quote> <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> No, you're implication was quite clear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/07/18 3:09:13 PM #63:	SunWuKung420 posted... McSame_as_Bush posted... My implication only existed in your mind. McSame_as_Bush posted... Trump was the mystery box. No, you're implication was quite clear. It was not implying that he had no political leanings. I'm obsessed with this stuff. My degree was politics-related. I'm very much aware of Trump's past. --- peel my skin like a clementine https://youtu.be/VBOPCOFA5P4 <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:904657277] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>My implication only existed in your mind.</quote> <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was the mystery box.</quote> No, you're implication was quite clear.</quote> It was not implying that he had no political leanings. I'm obsessed with this stuff. My degree was politics-related. I'm very much aware of Trump's past.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 07/07/18 9:02:55 PM #64:	ParanoidObsessive posted... I usually would, if this was an actual intellectual discussion and not the usual political dick-waving contest on a video game message board. But then why even post? You don't even have any zingers. =/ I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post but it's definitely possible to discuss whether or not for instance, Trump's tariffs and continued antagonistic attitude towards allies is helping or making things worse. At least in the short term, it's making things worse. ParanoidObsessive posted... It's never happened before, why would it happen now? I'm not talking so much about the attitude of the candidates so much as their policies. Obviously they're going to act however they can to get elected. --- https://imgur.com/ymuEJsp <cite>Blighboy posted [p:904673843] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>I usually would, if this was an actual intellectual discussion and not the usual political dick-waving contest on a video game message board.</quote> But then why even post? You don't even have any zingers. =/ I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post but it's definitely possible to discuss whether or not for instance, Trump's tariffs and continued antagonistic attitude towards allies is helping or making things worse. At least in the short term, it's making things worse. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>It's never happened before, why would it happen now?</quote> I'm not talking so much about the attitude of the candidates so much as their policies. Obviously they're going to act however they can to get elected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 07/07/18 9:36:20 PM #65:	They used to say 5 bees for a quarter. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:904675363] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote>They used to say 5 bees for a quarter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/07/18 10:37:19 PM #66:	GMArcturus posted... I don't suspect you do or you would be a lot more apologetic given that this trade war is going to kill tons of jobs here in the U.S. Some sectors will temporarily be hurt, others will benefit, but mostly life will go on. The economy is continually growing stronger at this point. GMArcturus posted... Bulbasaur posted... i didn't vote for anyone because both were stupid ass choices Yeah well, as they say, abstaining from voting is the same as voting for the enemy. Congratulations on helping Trump get into office and helping to bring about this trade war. For Helly, voting for either one would be voting for the enemy. ParanoidObsessive posted... The only winning move was not to play. What a strange game. Blighboy posted... ParanoidObsessive posted... Yes, but my reasonable assumptions are that Hillary would have been worse overall, and plenty of others would agree, so ultimately we're left in the weeds of subjectivity where neither side can ever really PROVE their assumptions are true. I don't think this really proves that both choices are equally terrible though which was your initial point. Different people have different opinions, and things could be better or worse for specific people, but I don't think that means that there is no right answer. Its just not one that a consensus can ever realistically reach, even though that is the method of choice for finding it. The beauty of a democracy is that you get to pick your flavor of terrible. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:904678112] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>GMArcturus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't suspect you do or you would be a lot more apologetic given that this trade war is going to kill tons of jobs here in the U.S.</quote> Some sectors will temporarily be hurt, others will benefit, but mostly life will go on. The economy is continually growing stronger at this point. <cite>GMArcturus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bulbasaur posted...</cite> <quote>i didn't vote for anyone because both were stupid ass choices</quote> Yeah well, as they say, abstaining from voting is the same as voting for the enemy. Congratulations on helping Trump get into office and helping to bring about this trade war.</quote> For Helly, voting for either one would be voting for the enemy. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>The only winning move was not to play.</quote> What a strange game. <cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, but my reasonable assumptions are that Hillary would have been worse overall, and plenty of others would agree, so ultimately we're left in the weeds of subjectivity where neither side can ever really PROVE their assumptions are true.</quote> I don't think this really proves that both choices are equally terrible though which was your initial point. Different people have different opinions, and things could be better or worse for specific people, but I don't think that means that there is no right answer. Its just not one that a consensus can ever realistically reach, even though that is the method of choice for finding it.</quote> The beauty of a democracy is that you get to pick your flavor of terrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZackMorris 07/08/18 6:06:59 PM #67:	Blighboy posted... ParanoidObsessive posted... Can't even say "lesser of two evils", because she could easily have been a worse evil in plenty of ways. We're basically arguing hypothetical worse versus actual worse, which is subjective as fuck and which is never going to have a right answer. I think one can make reasonable assumptions based on information we have, ie thinking. This --- https://imgur.com/THIeRrl <cite>ZackMorris posted [p:904719694] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote> Can't even say "lesser of two evils", because she could easily have been a worse evil in plenty of ways. We're basically arguing hypothetical worse versus actual worse, which is subjective as fuck and which is never going to have a right answer.</quote> I think one can make reasonable assumptions based on information we have, ie thinking.</quote> This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/09/18 4:22:46 PM #68:	@Zeus ya on the dole? --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:904773395] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote>@Zeus ya on the dole?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gunsandredroses 07/10/18 12:42:20 AM #69:	Blighboy posted... ParanoidObsessive posted... I usually would, if this was an actual intellectual discussion and not the usual political dick-waving contest on a video game message board. But then why even post? You don't even have any zingers. =/ I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post but it's definitely possible to discuss whether or not for instance, Trump's tariffs and continued antagonistic attitude towards allies is helping or making things worse. At least in the short term, it's making things worse. ParanoidObsessive posted... It's never happened before, why would it happen now? I'm not talking so much about the attitude of the candidates so much as their policies. Obviously they're going to act however they can to get elected. With "allies" like those, I think we're better off on our own. --- I think for myself, just like some random guy on the internet I agree with 100%. <cite>Gunsandredroses posted [p:904800280] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>I usually would, if this was an actual intellectual discussion and not the usual political dick-waving contest on a video game message board.</quote> But then why even post? You don't even have any zingers. =/ I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post but it's definitely possible to discuss whether or not for instance, Trump's tariffs and continued antagonistic attitude towards allies is helping or making things worse. At least in the short term, it's making things worse. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>It's never happened before, why would it happen now?</quote> I'm not talking so much about the attitude of the candidates so much as their policies. Obviously they're going to act however they can to get elected.</quote> With "allies" like those, I think we're better off on our own.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaKun782 07/10/18 12:06:44 PM #70:	And yet, another reason why people will blame Trump for everything going on. Seriously.. taxes and or prices fluctuate all the time. <cite>TaKun782 posted [p:904821605] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote>And yet, another reason why people will blame Trump for everything going on. Seriously.. taxes and or prices fluctuate all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/11/18 2:15:04 AM #71:	TaKun782 posted... And yet, another reason why people will blame Trump for everything going on. Seriously.. taxes and or prices fluctuate all the time. Trump, alone, started a tariff war. --- peel my skin like a clementine https://youtu.be/VBOPCOFA5P4 <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:904866629] in Thanks Tru... [t:76783133]...</cite> <quote><cite>TaKun782 posted...</cite> <quote>And yet, another reason why people will blame Trump for everything going on. Seriously.. taxes and or prices fluctuate all the time.</quote> Trump, alone, started a tariff war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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