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MangaFan462
07/09/18 9:37:57 PM
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chrono625
07/09/18 9:40:12 PM
#155:


Esrac posted...
https://archive.fo/0y9to

Articles like this kinda make me scratch my head. Especially comments that express such dismay that ArenaNet gave their community the impression that their desires are more important that anything else.

Like, no shit, they're a business and part of that is keeping their customer base happy. Not going to do that by keeping employees that openly express hostility and contempt for them. If their community's desires aren't most important, what should be? Going to bat for an employee who said something shitty because she's a woman?

Or the remark about words like "customer" and "partnered content creator" being used like they have moral weight. I think that person is missing the point if they think morality has anything to do with it.

The Ablegamers bit at the end is irrelevant to this situation and I think the writer only added it to further paint ArenaNet as the bad guys.


The victim complex is strong with these people.
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DarthAragorn
07/09/18 9:40:58 PM
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jesus

i always thought gamergate was a joke but maybe they had a point originally
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chrono625
07/09/18 9:44:53 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
jesus

i always thought gamergate was a joke but maybe they had a point originally


That's what alot of people are saying now lol.

That maybe, just maybe, GG wasnt as crazy as they sound and perhaps they were kinda on to something.
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Cookie Bag
07/09/18 9:46:56 PM
#158:


I mean the origin of gamergate was about this sort of thing until the trolls boarded the bandwagon and it got derailed hard, wasn't it?
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Esrac
07/09/18 9:47:37 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
jesus

i always thought gamergate was a joke but maybe they had a point originally


Well, we are seeing similar behavior from the gaming media here. A game dev they like is catching flak for being an asshole and they go to bat to defend her and malign everyone critical of her as part of a sexist hate group waging a harassment campaign.
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SpreadManning
07/09/18 9:51:40 PM
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Nice. Loving the meltdown SJWs are having over this itt
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chrono625
07/09/18 9:52:25 PM
#161:


Esrac posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
jesus

i always thought gamergate was a joke but maybe they had a point originally


Well, we are seeing similar behavior from the gaming media here. A game dev they like is catching flak for being an asshole and they go to bat to defend her and malign everyone critical of her as part of a sexist hate group waging a harassment campaign.


Well this individual is being punished by the rules they established.

If it doesn't seem fair, then maybe stop having fragile egos and thin skin.
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Esrac
07/09/18 9:57:24 PM
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Cookie Bag posted...
I mean the origin of gamergate was about this sort of thing until the trolls boarded the bandwagon and it got derailed hard, wasn't it?


Kinda. There were a lot of things going on during that shit storm. Topics discussing the controversy about Zoe Quinn cheating on her boyfriend with other men in the gaming media industry being squashed, the insinuation that she may have gotten positive coverage or accolades because of her intimate relationship with those men, a bunch of articles coming out within hours or days of each other shitting on gamers, the GameJournoPros private group being leaked, etc. And a lot of complaining about the gaming media being out of touch, too insular, too left wing, etc.
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DifferentialEquation
07/09/18 10:03:08 PM
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SpreadManning posted...
Nice. Loving the meltdown SJWs are having over this itt


That's because they're not fair minded. There are two options that fair minded people would pick between (note: option 1 is much, much better):

1) People are, except in rare circumstances, not punished at work for what they say in their private lives
2) Everyone gets punished and held accountable at work for what they say in their private lives, even when it's something trivial

SJWs are butthurt because they actually want option #3, which is that they get to control speech and only people who say things that they don't like get fired. And that's actually how it was for a good chunk of Obama's administration until Conservatives started fighting back.

Conservatives would much prefer option #1, but because SJWs have essentially become the thought police we have to go with option #2. And SJWs are now salty as fuck that their own methods are being used against them.
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ProbablyaCat
07/09/18 10:04:18 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
SpreadManning posted...
Nice. Loving the meltdown SJWs are having over this itt


That's because they're not fair minded. There are two options that fair minded people would pick between (note: option 1 is much, much better):

1) People are, except in rare circumstances, not punished at work for what they say in their private lives
2) Everyone gets punished and held accountable at work for what they say in their private lives, even when it's something trivial

SJWs are butthurt because they actually want option #3, which is that they get to control speech and only people who say things that they don't like get fired. And that's actually how it was for a good chunk of Obama's administration until Conservatives started fighting back.

Conservatives would much prefer option #1, but because SJWs have essentially become the thought police we have to go with option #2. And SJWs are now salty as fuck that their own methods are being used against them.


I mean, her tweets discussing her work from her twitter explicitly marked as belonging to a member of that company make it fairly clear that those tweets had nothing to do with her private life and everything to do with her work.
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Cookie Bag
07/09/18 10:36:37 PM
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ProbablyaCat posted...
I mean, her tweets discussing her work from her twitter explicitly marked as belonging to a member of that company make it fairly clear that those tweets had nothing to do with her private life and everything to do with her work.

Yeah people keep ignoring this for some reason, it's not like she was discussing this with billy joe from next door, this was a customer.
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DarthAragorn
07/09/18 10:37:40 PM
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On her Twitter where she put her job title as well
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KamenRiderBlade
07/09/18 10:41:53 PM
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She got what she deserved and this is going to be interesting should she try to sue ArenaNet
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chrono625
07/09/18 10:55:41 PM
#168:


Cookie Bag posted...
ProbablyaCat posted...
I mean, her tweets discussing her work from her twitter explicitly marked as belonging to a member of that company make it fairly clear that those tweets had nothing to do with her private life and everything to do with her work.

Yeah people keep ignoring this for some reason, it's not like she was discussing this with billy joe from next door, this was a customer.


Even if she was discussing with Billy Joe from next door, shes on a public social media forum. You dont get to dictate the terms on a public Twitter account.

If you wanted privacy create a web blog open only to close friends and co-workers. Or write in a damn journal.

Or create a completely separate Twitter handle that doesnt have your employee in your description.

KamenRiderBlade posted...
he got what she deserved and this is going to be interesting should


I'm sure she is an at will hire or on a contract. And almost every company has policy that they can fire you on the spot if you do anything that harms the companies image.

She has absolutely zero reason to sue. She should just take the L and move on. Shes so bitter she wont even apologize and is trying to say are Anet caved to trolls and bots lmao.
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Tmk
07/09/18 11:11:22 PM
#169:


Esrac posted...
https://archive.fo/0y9to

Articles like this kinda make me scratch my head. Especially comments that express such dismay that ArenaNet gave their community the impression that their desires are more important that anything else.

My favorite part of that is the women trying to dissect the hypocrisy of mean ol' gamers, completely lacking the self-awareness to realise it reflects at least as much hypocrisy on her side too.

It's a classic role reversal, however the one who bears the bulk of the hypocrisy is the one who set those standards, not the second group who tries to have them enforced evenly.
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Ryo_the_Inferno
07/10/18 1:04:11 AM
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@Delirious_Beard posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
People in the Gw2 thread on Reddit were saying that if he hadn't been fired the company would've been hit with a discrimination lawsuit for only firing the woman.


yikes

reddit really is a total shithole

What? How are you getting that? I mean, I agree, reddit is a dumpster, but how are you getting that from this? Unless you somehow think redditors were threatening to hit Anet with a lawsuit? Is that what you thought he was saying?
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Cookie Bag
07/10/18 1:59:47 AM
#171:


chrono625 posted...
Even if she was discussing with Billy Joe from next door, shes on a public social media forum. You dont get to dictate the terms on a public Twitter account.

Oh no i totally agree, its just some people apparently have issues understanding this simple concept of "public social media" for some reason and shield themselves under a fake privacy blanket.
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 8:46:56 AM
#172:


Esrac posted...
Cookie Bag posted...
I mean the origin of gamergate was about this sort of thing until the trolls boarded the bandwagon and it got derailed hard, wasn't it?


Kinda. There were a lot of things going on during that shit storm. Topics discussing the controversy about Zoe Quinn cheating on her boyfriend with other men in the gaming media industry being squashed, the insinuation that she may have gotten positive coverage or accolades because of her intimate relationship with those men, a bunch of articles coming out within hours or days of each other shitting on gamers, the GameJournoPros private group being leaked, etc. And a lot of complaining about the gaming media being out of touch, too insular, too left wing, etc.

Except all that stuff about Quinn was fake news.
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Rimmer_Dall
07/10/18 9:19:28 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Except all that stuff about Quinn was fake news.

Indeed.

It turned out she actually cheated on him with six guys and not just five.
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 10:04:00 AM
#174:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Except all that stuff about Quinn was fake news.

Indeed.

It turned out she actually cheated on him with six guys and not just five.

And? She literally wasn't sleeping with anyone for reviews, since most of them weren't reviewing her games.

Concentrating on a woman's sex life under the guise of 'journalistic integrity' is a shitty hill to die on.
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Funkydog
07/10/18 10:06:17 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Except all that stuff about Quinn was fake news.

Indeed.

It turned out she actually cheated on him with six guys and not just five.

And? She literally wasn't sleeping with anyone for reviews, since most of them weren't reviewing her games.

Concentrating on a woman's sex life under the guise of 'journalistic integrity' is a shitty hill to die on.

This.

From what I recall, none of the people she slept with did any reviews on her (tiny) indie game, so really... who cares?
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LightHawKnight
07/10/18 11:56:26 AM
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So she got fired for being a total asshole for no reason at all? Shocking. The guy however stupid he was in white knighting really should have just gotten a warning. It didn't seem like he went that crazy.
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chrono625
07/10/18 12:03:03 PM
#178:


I'm glad Mike O isnt backing down.

These people dont understand basic business ethics.

You don't attack your customers. Especially ones who have a huge voice in the community and ESPECIALLY ones who were so tame and polite.

Polygon and all these other websites backing price need a dose of reality.

In no way is anything she did acceptable in the business world.
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Funkydog
07/10/18 12:03:47 PM
#179:


chrono625 posted...
In no way is anything she did acceptable in the business world

Just plain not acceptable in general. You don't treat people like that wherever you are.
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chrono625
07/10/18 12:06:35 PM
#180:


Funkydog posted...
chrono625 posted...
In no way is anything she did acceptable in the business world

Just plain not acceptable in general. You don't treat people like that wherever you are.


I think that goes without saying.

But the main point of contention for her proponents was it was "private" and "no one asked for his opinion". But it directly was business related. When her Twitter handle advertises her connection to the company and who she was demonizing.
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Darkman124
07/10/18 12:07:36 PM
#181:


"We want the power to get people fired when they behave this way."

"Wait, no, not us, the OTHER ones! We reserve the right to behave however we want, it's our space to that!"
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 12:08:11 PM
#182:


chrono625 posted...
Funkydog posted...
chrono625 posted...
In no way is anything she did acceptable in the business world

Just plain not acceptable in general. You don't treat people like that wherever you are.


I think that goes without saying.

But the main point of contention for her proponents was it was "private" and "no one asked for his opinion". But it directly was business related. When her Twitter handle advertises her connection to the company and who she was demonizing.

The best part was his comment was in response to an AMA she did.
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chrono625
07/10/18 12:29:55 PM
#184:


"I'm under full bot assault!"

Is this the new excuse? When people genuinely disagree with you, oh it's just bots.

DuranOfForcena posted...
oh i guess that statement from Mike O'Brien in the gamasutra article was just a small snippet of the whole statement. the polygon article has the whole thing, after some more truly mind-numbing drivel from Jessica Price. it's down near the bottom:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired


I think his response was perfectly worded and was completely justified.
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Funkydog
07/10/18 12:47:29 PM
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Still looks like she is completely and utterly deluded and doesn't even begin to understand how you interact with people on an AMA >.>
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DarthAragorn
07/10/18 12:48:21 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Still looks like she is completely and utterly deluded and doesn't even begin to understand how you interact with people on an AMA >.>

Yep she's just a fucking moron
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devilminion
07/10/18 1:02:42 PM
#188:


DuranOfForcena posted...
after some more truly mind-numbing drivel from Jessica Price. it's down near the bottom:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired


Holy shit, you weren't kidding. Someone didn't teach her that the world revolves around the sun, not her.

The whole thing was highly unprofessional, she continued. There was zero reason for him to be there. He wanted to vent his anger, and he had the power to command a woman to stand there while he took his feelings out on her, so he did. Then he walked out, [the manager] got my stuff from my desk and the HR person asked for my key card.

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dave_is_slick
07/10/18 1:06:57 PM
#189:


DuranOfForcena posted...
oh i guess that statement from Mike O'Brien in the gamasutra article was just a small snippet of the whole statement. the polygon article has the whole thing, after some more truly mind-numbing drivel from Jessica Price. it's down near the bottom:

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired

How fucking delusional can one person be? How fucking delusional can one site be to try to take her side? What fucking reality is this??
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AlephZero
07/10/18 1:08:53 PM
#190:


I have a security team handling my social media

lol wut
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Monolith1676
07/10/18 1:16:28 PM
#191:


That chick is so dumb if she keeps saying it was private. If it was PRIVATE don't post it on a PUBLIC profile.

This video sums up my thoughts on Jessica Price quite nice

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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 1:16:38 PM
#192:


Polygon is such a joke. I'll never forget their Doom gameplay when they try to pretend to know about games.
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Funkydog
07/10/18 1:18:12 PM
#193:


Vyrulisse posted...
Polygon is such a joke. I'll never forget their Doom gameplay when they try to pretend to know about games.

That was some of the most hilarious "gameplay" I've ever seen. Could cheer anyone up.
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FrisbeeDude
07/10/18 1:20:15 PM
#194:


Darkman124 posted...
"We want the power to get people fired when they behave this way."

"Wait, no, not us, the OTHER ones! We reserve the right to behave however we want, it's our space to that!"


When you become the very same "SJWs" you've been screeching about killing free speech and dont even know it...lmao

It seems like such a long time ago that yall were ready to go to war over the guy from google and his little manifesto...
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AlephZero
07/10/18 1:20:21 PM
#195:


reminder that this is the person the entire games "journalism" industry is defending:

Deroir: "Really interesting thread to read! However, allow me to disagree slightly. I dont believe the issue lies in the MMORPG genre itself (as your wording seemingly suggest). I believe the issue lies in the contraints of the Living Story's narrative design ....."

Price: "Today in being a female game dev: "Allow me--a person who does not work with you--explain to you how you do your job.

Since we've got a lot of hurt manfeels today, lemme make something clear: ... I'm not your courtesan... Don't expect me to pretend to like you.

like, the next rando asshat who attempts to explain the concept of branching dialogue to me--as if, you know, having worked in game narrative for a fucking DECADE, I have never heard of it--is getting instablocked. PSA."
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Darkman124
07/10/18 1:21:50 PM
#196:


FrisbeeDude posted...
It seems like such a long time ago that yall were ready to go to war over the guy from google and his little manifesto...

i never defended that doofus.
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VectorChaos
07/10/18 1:32:28 PM
#197:


Vyrulisse posted...
Polygon is such a joke. I'll never forget their Doom gameplay when they try to pretend to know about games.


I just looked this up

It's not even the kind of bad I can laugh at it

It just makes me angry
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FrisbeeDude
07/10/18 1:34:27 PM
#198:


I'm just happy the gaming community has embraced using public pressure on companies who employ people who say things you find to be offensive.

No more whining about evil SJWs and feminist censorship...right?
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Darkman124
07/10/18 1:37:06 PM
#199:


FrisbeeDude posted...
I'm just happy the gaming community has embraced using public pressure on companies who employ people who say things you find to be offensive.


fwiw i always did that and have supported some of the "SJW" actions against people who deserved it.

i just tried to save it for those who deserve it (and made a point of it not to take actions that would lead to deserving it myself)

price deserved it
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 1:39:02 PM
#200:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Darkman124 posted...
"We want the power to get people fired when they behave this way."

"Wait, no, not us, the OTHER ones! We reserve the right to behave however we want, it's our space to that!"


When you become the very same "SJWs" you've been screeching about killing free speech and dont even know it...lmao

It seems like such a long time ago that yall were ready to go to war over the guy from google and his little manifesto...

So, you're arguing that the First Amendment protects people from being fired for verbally assaulting the customers and media partners of the company you work for, with no reason for the assault whatsoever?
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 1:40:38 PM
#201:


FrisbeeDude posted...
I'm just happy the gaming community has embraced using public pressure on companies who employ people who say things you find to be offensive.

No more whining about evil SJWs and feminist censorship...right?

This didn't happen, though. A representative of a major studio harrassed that studios customers and media partners. I can't think of any studio that would allow that, much less one with as much community interaction as ArenaNet.
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 1:42:44 PM
#202:


chrono625 posted...
"I'm under full bot assault!"

Is this the new excuse? When people genuinely disagree with you, oh it's just bots.

Specifically, Russian bots.
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Mr_Biscuit
07/10/18 1:44:03 PM
#203:


1) Fair, next
2) Almost as laughable as her comments are the people ITT like I love when the left eat their own!!! You mean... holding people on our side accountable too as opposed to turning a blind eye? Thats supposed to be a bad thing?

Laugh at the people excusing her. Theyre hypocrites. Dont laugh at the left eating their own for holding their own to standards. The word would be a better place if we all ate our own by actually applying our standards universally instead of just when convenient.
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