Current Events > Cool "what if" article- If the South won the Civil War

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blablablax17
07/07/18 2:15:59 PM
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https://historycollection.co/south-rose-4-hypothetical-scenarios-confederacy-won-civil-war/

Some highlights from the article:
Slavery might have died out on its own with time
The south might not have interfered with Cuban independance or sides with hitler
They might have joined back with the US eventually on their own.
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blablablax17
07/08/18 11:53:56 AM
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Bump
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E32005
07/08/18 11:55:07 AM
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blablablax17 posted...
Slavery might have died out on its own with time

oh well shit, guess we shouldn't have fought the war!

jfc
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Doom_Art
07/08/18 11:57:08 AM
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Wait this isn't Timeline 191 by Harry Turtledove
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Antifar
07/08/18 11:58:40 AM
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blablablax17 posted...
The south might not have interfered with Cuban independance

There were southerners around the time of the Civil War who talked about invading Cuba and a lot of other Latin American countries to grow their slave empire
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joestarrr
07/08/18 12:00:49 PM
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E32005 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
Slavery might have died out on its own with time

oh well shit, guess we shouldn't have fought the war!

jfc

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PanzerElite
07/08/18 12:02:34 PM
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E32005 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
Slavery might have died out on its own with time

oh well shit, guess we shouldn't have fought the war!

jfc

There was a pretty good article I read that explains this

Due to rapid technological advancements, slavery was on its way out around the world. The last western country to abolish it was Brazil in 1888
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Doom_Art
07/08/18 12:03:02 PM
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Oh boy here we go
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E32005
07/08/18 12:04:01 PM
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PanzerElite posted...
E32005 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
Slavery might have died out on its own with time

oh well shit, guess we shouldn't have fought the war!

jfc

There was a pretty good article I read that explains this

Due to rapid technological advancements, slavery was on its way out around the world. The last western country to abolish it was Brazil in 1888

thats fine, but if you think for a second that when those advances came about, that southern whites would suddenly open up the world to slaves and let them out of bondage is pure insanity.
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TableFlip
07/08/18 12:04:19 PM
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y'all
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Thompson
07/08/18 12:09:04 PM
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This series touched on a possible southern victory alternate history timeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqYBXrW_5gA&list=PL7DTipO5UGUsJq-mInL8ZVsL3zSox2PU9
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blablablax17
07/08/18 12:11:18 PM
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E32005 posted...
PanzerElite posted...
E32005 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
Slavery might have died out on its own with time

oh well shit, guess we shouldn't have fought the war!

jfc

There was a pretty good article I read that explains this

Due to rapid technological advancements, slavery was on its way out around the world. The last western country to abolish it was Brazil in 1888

thats fine, but if you think for a second that when those advances came about, that southern whites would suddenly open up the world to slaves and let them out of bondage is pure insanity.


We'll it wouldn't have been easy or immediate, but pressure from other first world countries might have led them to eventually giving up slavery.
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ThyCorndog
07/08/18 12:11:54 PM
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the confederacy winning and then siding with hitler would basically be the alt rights wet dream. I wonder how many of em have blown their loads to the thought
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A_Good_Boy
07/08/18 12:14:15 PM
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E32005 posted...
PanzerElite posted...
E32005 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
Slavery might have died out on its own with time

oh well shit, guess we shouldn't have fought the war!

jfc

There was a pretty good article I read that explains this

Due to rapid technological advancements, slavery was on its way out around the world. The last western country to abolish it was Brazil in 1888

thats fine, but if you think for a second that when those advances came about, that southern whites would suddenly open up the world to slaves and let them out of bondage is pure insanity.

This. It's pretty absurd to think that a "nation" that formed over slavery, fought and bred to protect the institution of slavery, formed of several different states solely based on their shared commitment to slavery, and has slavery enshrined in their very constitution, and had an entire social structure based off of slavery, would suddenly just get over it due to economic pressures is absurd. In this reality we still hold steadfast to our healthcare system despite its costs relative to other 1st world nations and we still hold fast to our guns despite our murder rate exceeding other 1st world nations. I don't see why the south's commitment to slavery would just go away, or why that's particular meaningful. If for some reason slavery actually were to be abolished in the hypothetically victorious Confederacy it's not like the lives of its black population would be propelled much higher. That's still the place where in reality formed black codes/Jim Crow, founded the KKK, and still cherishes its old Confederate leaders.
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TheMikh
07/08/18 12:14:56 PM
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Would there have been a Hitler if the South had won?
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E32005
07/08/18 12:16:25 PM
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TheMikh posted...
Would there have been a Hitler if the South had won?

i'm sure black ppl would consider Lee or one of the other generals Hitler. yes.
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MedzXVIII
07/08/18 12:17:57 PM
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The Confederate States of America would not survive without trade with the United States of America and the countries of Europe and they would not trade with the CSA because they refused to recognize any country with legal slavery. You can not survive on cotton alone. King cotton became king KoRn
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UnholyMudcrab
07/08/18 12:19:26 PM
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E32005 posted...
TheMikh posted...
Would there have been a Hitler if the South had won?

i'm sure black ppl would consider Lee or one of the other generals Hitler. yes.

That doesn't make any sense at all
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MedzXVIII
07/08/18 12:22:36 PM
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Unspecified_NPC
07/08/18 12:24:31 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Wait this isn't Timeline 191 by Harry Turtledove


Am pleasantly surprised to see this reference... still need to read the books myself.
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TheMikh
07/08/18 12:54:32 PM
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E32005 posted...
TheMikh posted...
Would there have been a Hitler if the South had won?

i'm sure black ppl would consider Lee or one of the other generals Hitler. yes.

I'm black and believe Lee was a stellar statesman. Don't put words in my mouth on the basis of my race, that's racist.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with my question. The dynamics and trajectory of 20th Century geopolitics would have been significantly altered by a split in the United States.

Hitler's rise stemmed from unfavorable terms at Versailles, which stemmed from the United States tipping the scale in WW1, involvement which stemmed from outrage over the Zimmerman telegram, which threatened mostly states that had been claimed by the Confederacy, which likely would not have had the same economic power for an intervention in Europe of the same magnitude - let alone the same capacity for munitions manufacturing for sale to the Allies which earned the ire of the Central Powers in the first place - never mind neighboring a potentially hostile north with a significant German-American population which would have caused the Confederacy to think twice about spreading itself thin by getting heavily involved in a conflict overseas.
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