Current Events > New rule in Australia: all sexual partners must say "yes"

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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/new-australian-law-requires-partners-must-say-yes-loud-135901576.html
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does the consent have to be notarized
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How stupid.

Consent to sex is not a box-checking exercise.
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AlephZero posted...

does the consent have to be notarized

This is the only way this would work. It's still "he said, she said"
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lol
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Does "No" also work?
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The new law states, in effect, that if you want to have sex you must ask for it clearly, and then hear a verbal yes back, under new reforms announced by the New South Wales (NSW) government in Australia

I guess mute people can't consent to sex in Australia
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And this wont change a damn thing

Its still literallt he said she said
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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

And this wont change a damn thing

Its still literallt he said she said

This removes the issue of "implied consent" from the equation.
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It's kind of silly, but what's the actual downside to this?
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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's kind of silly, but what's the actual downside to this?

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.
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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

And this wont change a damn thing

Its still literallt he said she said

I was about to say exactly this.

Like what is this even aimed at solving? Are there actually cases where guys are successfully making the argument in court that an unconscious or heavily drugged partner "didn't say no"? Are we seeing cases where the girl actually resists during sex (as shown by evidence) and then the male successfully argues that he thought she was consenting?

gunplagirl posted...

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

The first time I had sex (which was not planned before we were in bed together), both of us had hands all over each other, kissing deeply, but there were no actual words that led into us doing the act. But seeing as I didn't fucking drug him first, I think it would be pretty obvious if he wasn't consenting. Stopping to ask an awkward question like "Are you consenting to sex with me?" would have seriously threatened to kill the mood.
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the_rowan posted...

PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

And this wont change a damn thing

Its still literallt he said she said

I was about to say exactly this.

Like what is this even aimed at solving? Are there actually cases where guys are successfully making the argument in court that an unconscious or heavily drugged partner "didn't say no"? Are we seeing cases where the girl actually resists during sex (as shown by evidence) and then the male successfully argues that he thought she was consenting?

Yes to all of the above. It took long enough for western nations to say " hey, just because these two people are married doesn't mean that they automatically consent to sex with their spouse 100% of the time"

Like, 1950s to the 1980s in most US courts
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gunplagirl posted...

Yes to all of the above. It took long enough for western nations to say " hey, just because these two people are married doesn't mean that they automatically consent to sex with their spouse 100% of the time"

Yes, as in they are currently, successfully making the argument, and this argument is why they receive a not guilty verdict?
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yes
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This right here is how you know Australia is way more feminist than the US. The rule is totally way more pronounced over there.

wonder what gavi and rika fur something have to say about it.
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the_rowan posted...

gunplagirl posted...

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

The first time I had sex (which was not planned before we were in bed together), both of us had hands all over each other, kissing deeply, but there were no actual words that led into us doing the act. But seeing as I didn't fucking drug him first, I think it would be pretty obvious if he wasn't consenting. Stopping to ask an awkward question like "Are you consenting to sex with me?" would have seriously threatened to kill the mood.

Touchy subject, eh? You can rape somebody without drugging them. It's possible for people to not consent while of sound and stable mind.

And you do know verbal consent can be as simple as "do you want to fuck?" or "want me to get some condoms?" or "should we go to the bedroom?" It doesn't have to be "I, (my full legal name), of sound mind and body do hereby formally request that you, (your full legal name), partake in intercourse wherein genital on genital contact may occur, including but not limited to oral sex, tribadism, penetration with strap-ons, etc. This offer not explicitly inferring any use of bdsm, spanking, blood play, ejaculation inside without use of a condom, swallowing, urination, etc. Do you, (your full legal name) hereby consent to these terms of agreement wherein either party may at any time opt to conclude sexual actions for any reason with a single verbal cue as simple as "stop" as established in prior contracts (footnote to several legal cases of precedence in an applicable court of law that has jurisdiction over the region wherein both of us live). To agree to these terms of use, sign your name, state that you confirm and have it recorded for record keeping, and fill in the captchas."
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just face the facts:

human males are lower than dirt and must submit to their female overlords. males are worth nothing
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the_rowan posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Yes to all of the above. It took long enough for western nations to say " hey, just because these two people are married doesn't mean that they automatically consent to sex with their spouse 100% of the time"

Yes, as in they are currently, successfully making the argument, and this argument is why they receive a not guilty verdict?

Yes, there's plenty of cases like this every year. They usually involve an unconscious woman at a party and as she was unconscious or intoxicated she could not consent. But the plaintiff, usually a man, says that she had consented and he wasn't aware of her condition. And more than a few of those cases result in a not guilty verdict because of reasonable doubt and the jury ultimately believing that maybe she had consented while intoxicated and that he didn't know she was passed out.

If you want a name of one such person who has gotten away with that defense, Reid Andrew Dawson from a few years ago.
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I just think its obsessive. The government wants to tell people how they can have sex, now.
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gunplagirl posted...

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

Yeah, I've never understood that mentality. Do people actually have that tenuous of a grip on "the mood" that an attempt at affirmation ends everything?

Like I've fallen over, slipped, accidentally started coughing, etc. during foreplay and we just laughed and moved on. I can't imagine someone actually wanting to have sex with me and then changing their mind because I confirmed during foreplay that we were going to move to actual sex.
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What do you expect from the government which makes small breasts in porn illegal?

FortuneCookie posted...

What do you expect from the government which makes small breasts in porn illegal?

Wait, what the fuck? For real?

Lol, Australians can keep bragging about the C word all they want, yet they are more feminist than us. Why do we keep getting bashed

Anteaterking posted...

gunplagirl posted...

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

Yeah, I've never understood that mentality. Do people actually have that tenuous of a grip on "the mood" that an attempt at affirmation ends everything?

Like I've fallen over, slipped, accidentally started coughing, etc. during foreplay and we just laughed and moved on. I can't imagine someone actually wanting to have sex with me and then changing their mind because I confirmed during foreplay that we were going to move to actual sex.

Then there's times where foreplay was only supposed to be foreplay and we both enjoyed ourselves and went back to Facebook memeing. And other times where foreplay resulted in one of us realizing "oh, hey! I guess my body isn't actually down for sex and we should probably shy away from that, but wanna still nom on each other?" and it didn't kill the mood, it helped us set our boundaries even though we'd been together for months by that point.
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FortuneCookie posted...

What do you expect from the government which makes small breasts in porn illegal?

How many of the people who voted yes on passing that policy are still active in their position at a national level? It was like 15-20 years ago, no?
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Rika_Furude posted...

just face the facts:

human males are lower than dirt and must submit to their female overlords. males are worth nothing

But enough about our fantasies.
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Anteaterking posted...

Yeah, I've never understood that mentality. Do people actually have that tenuous of a grip on "the mood" that an attempt at affirmation ends everything?

Like I've fallen over, slipped, accidentally started coughing, etc. during foreplay and we just laughed and moved on.

And you don't see how all of those situations are way the fuck different? Do you truly not see this or are you playing at being dense cause I fucking can't stand people who do that.
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No need to get pissed over this.

If it becomes stupidly awkward for too many citizens (for both men and women), the pendulum will inevitably swing back a bit by popular expectation. Reality always has the final verdict over idealism.

And it's Australia.
Do you really care...?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

The new law states, in effect, that if you want to have sex you must ask for it clearly, and then hear a verbal yes back, under new reforms announced by the New South Wales (NSW) government in Australia

I guess mute people can't consent to sex in Australia

The sign language for "yes" is nodding with your fist at shoulder level, so as long as some guy doesn't confused her threatening to punch him with "yes" everyone is good.
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Jergensmeat posted...

FortuneCookie posted...

What do you expect from the government which makes small breasts in porn illegal?

Wait, what the fuck? For real?

Lol, Australians can keep bragging about the C word all they want, yet they are more feminist than us. Why do we keep getting bashed

That seems like a bit much.

dave_is_slick posted...

And you don't see how all of those situations are way the different? Do you truly not see this or are you playing at being dense cause I f***ing can't stand people who do that.

I mean they're different because the scenarios I outlined literally disrupt the mood, while the other is just part of escalating it.

What are the differences here that you think make asking for consent worse?
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eggcorn posted...

wonder what gavi and rika fur something have to say about it.

Rika probably doesn't care considering this doesn't really have any change for him.
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gunplagirl posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's kind of silly, but what's the actual downside to this?

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

The sad thing is that you actually believe this rubbish

Anteaterking posted...

I mean they're different because the scenarios I outlined literally disrupt the mood, while the other is just part of escalating it.

No, one is something that happened to happen and was minor enough to not kill the vibe, the other is the literal opposite of escalating as you're bringing it to a screeching halt. Are you serious right now?
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ClockworkHare posted...

No need to get pissed over this.

If it becomes stupidly awkward for too many citizens (for both men and women), the pendulum will inevitably swing back a bit by popular expectation. Reality always has the final verdict over idealism.

And it's Australia.
Do you really care...?

Pro tip. Pendulum theory only holds true in the US. We're also the only nation to not ban Nazis or speech praising them, so we aren't exactly a good representation of reason.
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sounds like they mean well but how exactly does this change anything since you can't really prove if someone said yes unless you're gonna record it
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dave_is_slick posted...

the other is the literal opposite of escalating as you're bringing it to a screeching halt

You're doing it wrong bro.

How exactly are you picturing this going down?
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Shut_TheF---Up posted...

gunplagirl posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's kind of silly, but what's the actual downside to this?

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

The sad thing is that you actually believe this rubbish

If you can't ask a person "hey want me to get the condoms" to confirm they wanted and were willing to engage in sex, then I'd say you're the one who believes in rubbish.
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Anteaterking posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

the other is the literal opposite of escalating as you're bringing it to a screeching halt

You're doing it wrong bro.

How exactly are you picturing this going down?

By not bringing it to a screeching halt.
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"Do you want this?"
"Yea"
"Yea? You want it?"
"Oh baby"
"Ma'am, I'm going to need a clear 'yes' before I can continue"
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gunplagirl posted...

If you can't ask a person "hey want me to get the condoms" to confirm they wanted and were willing to engage in sex, then I'd say you're the one who believes in rubbish.

You're doing that thing where you just completely fuck up what the other person said, aren't you? Don't you get tired of that shit?
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gunplagirl posted...

Shut_TheF---Up posted...

gunplagirl posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's kind of silly, but what's the actual downside to this?

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

The sad thing is that you actually believe this rubbish

If you can't ask a person "hey want me to get the condoms" to confirm they wanted and were willing to engage in sex, then I'd say you're the one who believes in rubbish.

This is how I know you don't actually have sex lol

Slip-N-Slide posted...

eggcorn posted...

wonder what gavi and rika fur something have to say about it.

Rika probably doesn't care considering this doesn't really have any change for him.

lmfao hahahaha so true
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dave_is_slick posted...

gunplagirl posted...

If you can't ask a person "hey want me to get the condoms" to confirm they wanted and were willing to engage in sex, then I'd say you're the one who believes in rubbish.

You're doing that thing where you just completely fuck up what the other person said, aren't you? Don't you get tired of that shit?

Implications exist in the English language. And a great many others, for that matter.
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dave_is_slick posted...

By not bringing it to a screeching halt.

Are you like unable to move any other part of your body while you're talking or something?

You're essentially dodging the question. There's no requirement that you bring things to a screeching halt to satisfy the law. The only reason you're fixated on that is you must have some strange view of how this is going down.

So I ask you again. How exactly are you picturing this going down?
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LedZeppelin posted...

Slip-N-Slide posted...

eggcorn posted...

wonder what gavi and rika fur something have to say about it.

Rika probably doesn't care considering this doesn't really have any change for him.

lmfao hahahaha so true

your meltdown is cute.
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Shut_TheF---Up posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Shut_TheF---Up posted...

gunplagirl posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's kind of silly, but what's the actual downside to this?

"It'll kill the mood" or some bs from virgins and people who haven't always engaged in consensual sex with all their partners.

The sad thing is that you actually believe this rubbish

If you can't ask a person "hey want me to get the condoms" to confirm they wanted and were willing to engage in sex, then I'd say you're the one who believes in rubbish.

This is how I know you don't actually have sex lol

Is it sex if I'm bound, squished by the thighs of one partner and I'm being rammed by a strap-on worn by another partner?
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This changes exactly nothing. They're not peering into windows with a checklist to make sure there's consent. Nobody who gives nonverbal consent is going to call the police on a technicality. This only affects cases where consent is assumed but not actually given.
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