Current Events > A matter of life & death: 15,000 white South Africans seek refuge in Russia

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tennisdude818
07/10/18 7:40:19 AM
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https://www.rt.com/business/432375-russia-south-africa-farmers/

A delegation of 30 South African farming families has arrived in Russias farmbelt Stavropol Region, Rossiya 1 TV reports. The group says it is facing violent attacks and death threats at home.
Up to 15,000 Boers, descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa, are planning to move to Russia amid rising violence stemming from government plans to expropriate their land, according to the delegation.

Its a matter of life and death there are attacks on us. Its got to the point where the politicians are stirring up a wave of violence, Adi Slebus told the media. The climate here [Stavropol Region] is temperate, and this land is created by God for farming. All this is very attractive.

The new South African government, led by President Cyril Ramaphosa, has pledged to return the lands owned by white farmers since the 1600s to the black citizens of the country. The government said it is planning to put an end to what it calls the legacy of apartheid, where most of South Africas land is still in the hands of its minority white population.

Rights groups have said the initiative incites violence. There were 74 farm murders and 638 attacks, primarily against white farmers, in 2016-17 in South Africa, according to data by minority rights group AfriForum.

The farmers are prepared to make a contribution to Russias booming agricultural sector, according to Rossiya 1. Each family is ready to bring up to $100,000 for leasing the land.

Russia has 43 million hectares of unused farmland, and has recently begun giving out free land to Russian citizens to cultivate farming. The land giveaway program, which began in 2014, has been a huge success.


Seems like a great example of win-win immigration. I hope it works out.
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gunplagirl
07/10/18 7:42:34 AM
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This will end well
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Vyrulisse
07/10/18 7:44:53 AM
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Farmers are always useful to have around.
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deupd_u
07/10/18 7:46:13 AM
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The funny part is how the South Africans think what they're doing to the whites will somehow make anything better in any way.
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Kineth
07/10/18 7:49:44 AM
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Russia doesn't exactly have much tillable/fertile land, let alone a warm water port. Maybe global warming has made the land more arable at this point.
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hardy3786
07/10/18 7:53:13 AM
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Sounds like Zimbabwe incident to me.
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 7:53:47 AM
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Kineth posted...
Russia doesn't exactly have much tillable/fertile land, let alone a warm water port. Maybe global warming has made the land more arable at this point.


I dont know the backstory to why they have so much unused farmland that appears to be state owned. If the government has just been sitting on that for years or decades, that seems pretty inefficient.
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Turtlebread
07/10/18 7:54:27 AM
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damn immigrants
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Kineth
07/10/18 7:54:45 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Kineth posted...
Russia doesn't exactly have much tillable/fertile land, let alone a warm water port. Maybe global warming has made the land more arable at this point.


I dont know the backstory to why they have so much unused farmland that appears to be state owned. If the government has just been sitting on that for years or decades, that seems pretty inefficient.


Well, it is Russia, after all.
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 7:58:00 AM
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hardy3786 posted...
Sounds like Zimbabwe incident to me.


There is a risk that bureaucrats hand land out to friends and insiders rather than capable farmers. That would be a disaster because the Boer have big shoes to fill.
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Sativa_Rose
07/10/18 7:59:07 AM
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Good for them I suppose, but I would have recommended a better country than Russia. I guess they probably didn't have a whole lot of countries opening up their doors to them. Beggars can't be choosers, as they say.
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The Great Muta 22
07/10/18 8:44:53 AM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Good for them I suppose, but I would have recommended a better country than Russia. I guess they probably didn't have a whole lot of countries opening up their doors to them. Beggars can't be choosers, as they say.


Well the link is literally from state run Russian propaganda, so of course they are going to pump their own nation up
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blablablax17
07/10/18 8:46:20 AM
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I don't feel sorry for these people.
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Yomi
07/10/18 8:46:58 AM
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I want to go to Russia :(
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MuayThai85
07/10/18 8:57:14 AM
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I worked with a lot of South Africans in Thailand. Many have families that are farmers and left SA because of the violence. One girls parents had a maize farm. In 2015 they were basically told "Leave now or we will just kill you and take it". They packed up over night and left leaving behind millions of dollars in farm equipment, stock, etc. A year later the farm was in disarray. They had the balls to come to them and asked them to train the people now running the farm how to do it.

The mindset there is that "if white people can make a lot of money doing it, then so can we". The problem is they thought it would be easy to do and they had no fucking clue what to do. Apparently this is happening at a LOT of the farms being taken by force from white families. The same thing happened in Zimbabwe when they did the same thing to the white farmers there.
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MuayThai85
07/10/18 8:58:13 AM
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blablablax17 posted...
I don't feel sorry for these people.


Why? Many of these families have been there for generations. They are just as South African as any black person there...
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 9:08:43 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Good for them I suppose, but I would have recommended a better country than Russia. I guess they probably didn't have a whole lot of countries opening up their doors to them. Beggars can't be choosers, as they say.


Well the link is literally from state run Russian propaganda, so of course they are going to pump their own nation up


RT should generally be taken with a grain of salt (same with Western MSM sources on many subjects, e.g. Syria and Iraq), but I'm not sure how they should have covered this particular story differently.
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 9:18:58 AM
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blablablax17 posted...
I don't feel sorry for these people.


Thats pretty messed up.
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KillerKhan420
07/10/18 9:24:58 AM
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blablablax17 posted...
I don't feel sorry for these people.


Lol, they leave and the farmlands won't be used for shit. Just watch.
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blablablax17
07/10/18 9:31:07 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
I don't feel sorry for these people.


That?s pretty messed up.


White South Africans had this coming for a long time Imo.
Not saying it's right, but yeah idk.
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Rika_Furude
07/10/18 9:34:04 AM
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Wait so why are the south africans discriminating against minorities?
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Bio1590
07/10/18 9:45:51 AM
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I thought that said Sevastopol at first and was gonna be like "uhhhhh that's Crimea" >_>
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Nomadic View
07/10/18 9:47:15 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
@blablablax17 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
blablablax17 posted...
I don't feel sorry for these people.


That?s pretty messed up.


White South Africans had this coming for a long time Imo.
Not saying it's right, but yeah idk.

Why do they deserve to lose their land and livelihood without any compensation?

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PizzaPatty
07/10/18 9:50:18 AM
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You guys do realize this is all fake news pushed by racists and white nationalist to make South Africa seem like some awful place when it is actually a great country in regards to race relations much better than america is so many regards.
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Bat178
07/10/18 9:51:25 AM
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PizzaPatty posted...
You guys do realize this is all fake news pushed by racists and white nationalist to make South Africa seem like some awful place when it is actually a great country in regards to race relations much better than america is so many regards.

I thought racists and white supremacists love South Africa because of Apartheid and Elon Musk.
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 9:53:00 AM
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Bat178 posted...
PizzaPatty posted...
You guys do realize this is all fake news pushed by racists and white nationalist to make South Africa seem like some awful place when it is actually a great country in regards to race relations much better than america is so many regards.

I thought racists and white supremacists love South Africa because of Apartheid and Elon Musk.


Why would white supremacists like Elon Musk?
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UnfairRepresent
07/10/18 9:56:52 AM
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This was an episode of DS9

A group of alien farmers wanted to move to Bajor which was recovering from an occupation and suffering from starvation.

They told the aliens to piss off and the aliens were like "WTF dude, we could help you." and the Bajor guys were like "Lol nah."

Then like a war happened or some shit I dunno, lots of people died.

Was an odd show.
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ReignFury
07/10/18 10:00:08 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Wait so why are the south africans discriminating against minorities?


I never thought Id see discrimination in South Africa of all places
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BWLurker
07/10/18 10:03:51 AM
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If they're white, Trump will let them in with open arms, surprised they're not coming here
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MuayThai85
07/10/18 10:10:51 AM
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PizzaPatty posted...
You guys do realize this is all fake news pushed by racists and white nationalist to make South Africa seem like some awful place when it is actually a great country in regards to race relations much better than america is so many regards.


Bullshit. Go ask an actual white South African if that's true and they'll laugh in your fucking face. There is a reason why all the ones who can speak English and have a degree get the fuck out of the country and teach English wherever the fuck they can go. Two reasons to be exact. Higher salaries (Thailand is one of the lowest paid ESL jobs in the world but still pays higher than the majority of jobs in SA) and typically far, far safer.
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EnragedSlith
07/10/18 10:12:27 AM
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Russia would probably want this, as their agricultural sector is relatively non-existent. Even if they dont have the land for it, a group of moderately wealthy and skilled laborers is a good thing to invest in. These people have also chosen Russia for a reason.
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Nomadic View
07/10/18 12:07:28 PM
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BWLurker posted...
If they're white, Trump will let them in with open arms, surprised they're not coming here


Probably because its so far away.

If they applied for asylum theyd likely receive it. They are being persecuted by the government because of their race. That is a qualifying factor for asylum. It has nothing to do with being white specifically, but that they are being targeted because of their race.
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ReignFury
07/10/18 7:52:31 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
BWLurker posted...
If they're white, Trump will let them in with open arms, surprised they're not coming here


Probably because its so far away.

If they applied for asylum theyd likely receive it. They are being persecuted by the government because of their race. That is a qualifying factor for asylum. It has nothing to do with being white specifically, but that they are being targeted because of their race.


What happened to "Fuck off we're full"
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mustachedmystic
07/10/18 7:57:47 PM
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I once heard that they deter carjackers with flamethrowers on the sides of their vehicles, is there any truth to this?
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Manocheese
07/10/18 8:25:00 PM
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"B-b-but black people can't be racist!" - liberals
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Broseph_Stalin
07/10/18 8:31:12 PM
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They should stay in South Africa and fix their own country's problems. Russia should take care of their own people first.
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E32005
07/10/18 8:32:06 PM
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ReignFury posted...
Nomadic View posted...
BWLurker posted...
If they're white, Trump will let them in with open arms, surprised they're not coming here


Probably because its so far away.

If they applied for asylum theyd likely receive it. They are being persecuted by the government because of their race. That is a qualifying factor for asylum. It has nothing to do with being white specifically, but that they are being targeted because of their race.


What happened to "Fuck off we're full"

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Hexenherz
07/10/18 8:34:04 PM
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Literally RT
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Bishop9800
07/10/18 8:34:33 PM
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PizzaPatty posted...
You guys do realize this is all fake news pushed by racists and white nationalist to make South Africa seem like some awful place when it is actually a great country in regards to race relations much better than america is so many regards.


https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-the-news-coming-from-RT-Russia-Today-about-the-conflict-in-Ukraine
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Hexenherz
07/10/18 8:35:33 PM
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This is literally like a Soviet narrative updated for the 2018 world. It reads like from the 1970s rofl.
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Doom_Art
07/10/18 8:36:31 PM
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RT is literally state run media
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 8:39:39 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Literally RT


What do you think is being made up exactly? The news that the racist RSA government intends to steal white land for no compensation is several months old. You think they are just pulling the migration story out of their ass?
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E32005
07/10/18 8:42:45 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
white land

woooow

showing your TRUE colors there, hoth.
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tennisdude818
07/10/18 8:47:23 PM
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E32005 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
white land

woooow

showing your TRUE colors there, hoth.


Land owned by white farmers dude. Thats the point of the policy.
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hockeybub89
07/10/18 8:49:30 PM
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Why don't they just stay and fix their own country instead of seeking refuge in someone else's?
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E32005
07/10/18 8:50:20 PM
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i find it hilarious that the shit their ancestors did is coming back at them.

its not their fault but its still funny.
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Hexenherz
07/10/18 8:54:21 PM
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I just checked numerous articles. They are all based on the same information propagated by RT, Rossiya-1 and Breitbart as sources. None of these are recognized as legitimate sources by... literally anyone with a functioning brain. Even South African tabloids, who you would imagine might be a little closer to the source, are citing... the RT article.

There is nothing about this on any reputable site.
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Bishop9800
07/10/18 8:54:40 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Literally RT

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E32005
07/10/18 8:55:10 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
I just checked numerous articles. They are all based on the same information propagated by RT, Rossiya-1 and Breitbart as sources. None of these are recognized as legitimate sources by... literally anyone with a functioning brain. Even South African tabloids, who you would imagine might be a little closer to the source, are citing... the RT article.

There is nothing about this on any reputable site.

so tc is a racist hoth alt? nice
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