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MorningRose 07/10/18 11:25:07 AM #52: |
I just don't see how someone could honestly want to wear one. I would feel very ugly wearing one, and I value style, x.x
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:25:46 AM #53: |
Teddytalks posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Minute posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Minute posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Are we pretending that the culture that just now allowed women to drive is promoting their best interests now? I respect their decision to do whatever they want to do. What I do not respect is blatant ignorance to historical oppression as that only furthers the oppression itself. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpinKirby 07/10/18 11:26:10 AM #54: |
MorningRose posted...
I just don't see how someone could honestly want to wear one. I would feel very ugly wearing one, and I value style, x.x Aren't you the person who doesn't go outside to begin with? What would you know about style? --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:26:16 AM #55: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
How can you take it back while it's still bondage for others? That's fucking ridiculous. Fucking finally. Someone with a modicum of awareness. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spanky1 07/10/18 11:26:45 AM #56: |
I just wanted to clarify my earlier comments that in no way do I support hijab bans. That's not the point I was trying to make.
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gunplagirl 07/10/18 11:26:57 AM #57: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Teddytalks posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Minute posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Minute posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Are we pretending that the culture that just now allowed women to drive is promoting their best interests now? You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. By forcing your view of what it means upon them, you're actually becoming an oppressor yourself. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpinKirby 07/10/18 11:27:42 AM #58: |
This topic is going nowhere fast.
What's the point of making an argument topic, if you don't actually want to argue anything? --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Teddytalks 07/10/18 11:28:43 AM #59: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Teddytalks posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Minute posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Minute posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Are we pretending that the culture that just now allowed women to drive is promoting their best interests now? Considering this is their own history, I not sure what the fuck you're talking about. They can choose to do what they want with it. It IS their history after all. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MorningRose 07/10/18 11:30:03 AM #60: |
SpinKirby posted...
MorningRose posted...I just don't see how someone could honestly want to wear one. I would feel very ugly wearing one, and I value style, x.x A lot, actually. I get complimented on my style nearly every time I leave the house. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/10/18 11:30:35 AM #61: |
SpinKirby posted...
This topic is going nowhere fast. He just wants to get somebody to call him something that he is, and then mark the post for flaming --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:30:38 AM #62: |
@gunplagirl
No, I dont get to decide that, but they also dont get to decide that it is no longer a symbol of oppression while there are still women being forced to wear them. They dont get to ignore the historical significance of that symbol just because theyve grown accustomed to their own oppression. This religion already sets dangerous precedence around the globe. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:31:28 AM #63: |
gunplagirl posted...
SpinKirby posted...This topic is going nowhere fast. Ah, so now Im (insert whatever youre thinking) because a spade is a spade. Hokay --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpinKirby 07/10/18 11:33:17 AM #64: |
MorningRose posted...
SpinKirby posted...MorningRose posted...I just don't see how someone could honestly want to wear one. I would feel very ugly wearing one, and I value style, x.x As do many other women, who aren't old/ugly, that dress up at all. --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:33:38 AM #65: |
So you guys have no issue with people ignoring the historical weight of the confederate flag to promote their own pride and history while it still symbolizes a time of hate, oppression and discrimination for a very large percentage of others?
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Anarchy_Juiblex 07/10/18 11:33:58 AM #66: |
gunplagirl posted...
You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. *unless it's a Confederate flag or possibly a message I might disagree with then fuck them I'm making calls on the meaning and their character* God damn it beaten for 20 seconds. @Deadpool_18 --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:34:32 AM #67: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. Fucking exactly. The hypocrisy here is too much. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spanky1 07/10/18 11:34:33 AM #68: |
I think the thing that annoys me is that it's as if some people refuse to believe that many people, even those in western countries, are forced to wear the hijab. Yes, I get that many can choose to, and that's great, and for them it is a form of expression, but for many people, even in free countries, they're forced to by family, and that just doesn't sit well with me. I can't look at it and feel good about it. For every story about your Muslim friend that sometimes wears it and sometimes doesn't and views it a great expression of their faith or whatever, there are stories like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/6dxgb3/auntie_saw_me_without_my_hijab_on_and_told_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/7nfgcw/first_night_without_hijab/ https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/7xeamn/i_hate_the_hijab_so_much/ I feel for them, because I too was raised in a cult, so that's the point of view that I'm looking at this from. For those that have the freedom to wear it or not and choose, that's great, you exercise your freedom of expression. But I'm just saying that I'm very aware of the fact that there are tons of people out there who are trapped in it, and that's depressing to me. And no, I don't want hijabs banned. That's dumb. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 07/10/18 11:35:41 AM #70: |
Well if they are living in a culture that doesn't force them to wear them and they choose to...
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:36:13 AM #71: |
spanky1 posted...
I think the thing that annoys me is that it's as if some people refuse to believe that many people, even those in western countries, are forced to wear the hijab. Yes, I get that many can choose to, and that's great, and for them it is a form of expression, but for many people, even in free countries, they're forced to by family, and that just doesn't sit well with me. I can't look at it and feel good about it. For every story about your Muslim friend that sometimes wears it and sometimes doesn't and views it a great expression of their faith or whatever, there are stories like this: Yeah but the knee jerk reaction for these back patters is that anyone who questions it as anything other than a brave form of expression is a xenophobe or something of the like. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MorningRose 07/10/18 11:36:32 AM #72: |
SpinKirby posted...
Your point is? Hijabs are just plain ugly, to me. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpinKirby 07/10/18 11:36:50 AM #73: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. No, that was mentioned on the previous page, you just ignored it. --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:37:01 AM #74: |
Goats posted...
@Sayoria, your boyfriend is losing it again, can you cool him off please sudowoodo. You forgot to say triggered in all caps as if what you say matters. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrupt_Power 07/10/18 11:37:26 AM #75: |
Hijab bans boil down to this: "I know better than you. I think you're opressed, even though you don't think you are. I'm going to oppress your right to self-expression and autonomy because of it."
If you don't see anything wrong with that, then you're too blind to have an open conversation on this, and likely any other topic. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:37:36 AM #76: |
SpinKirby posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. No, I didnt. The previous poster claimed I was just cherry picking oppressive symbols as if that somehow dismissed the hijab as one. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:38:01 AM #77: |
Corrupt_Power posted...
Hijab bans boil down to this: "I know better than you. I think you're opressed, even though you don't think you are. I'm going to oppress your right to self-expression and autonomy because of it." Not once have I said I agreed with hijab bans. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/10/18 11:38:13 AM #78: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. The Confederate flag that's shared and recognized is the battle flag of their military, not the actual flag of the confederate state. So it's literally one of treason and rebellion and represents an army that explicitly fought to protect the interests of the confederate state which is to say, a state that viewed it financially necessary to keep people of African descent as slaves. That is the heritage of the south, and therefore to take pride in one's southern heritage while flying the battle flag of a rebellion that stood against the united states? *shrugs* maybe educate yourself? --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:38:47 AM #79: |
gunplagirl posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. Holy irony. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Teddytalks 07/10/18 11:39:05 AM #80: |
TC is trolling
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:39:40 AM #81: |
Teddytalks posted...
TC is trolling Yeah. Call me a troll when youve got no more to discuss. Thatll validate your stance for sure. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrupt_Power 07/10/18 11:39:51 AM #82: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
So you guys have no issue with people ignoring the historical weight of the confederate flag to promote their own pride and history while it still symbolizes a time of hate, oppression and discrimination for a very large percentage of others? In the United States, it is their right to do so. It is also my right to ridicule them for it. It is neither of our rights to force the other to sacrifice their right, though. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpinKirby 07/10/18 11:40:03 AM #83: |
MorningRose posted...
SpinKirby posted... Since you have probably don't sense of style, you're probably not the one to be judging anyone for wearing a hijab on style alone. You're free to post however you want though, but I'm also free to call you out on it. --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/10/18 11:40:36 AM #84: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. Is it hypocrisy? You're saying that these women are being oppressed. Therefore, they need to follow your orders and ban them from wearing what they want. Restricting what they can wear is oppression and literally the type of oppression that tc is arguing against. "The only way to stop time compression is to let time compression happen" --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:40:42 AM #85: |
Corrupt_Power posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...So you guys have no issue with people ignoring the historical weight of the confederate flag to promote their own pride and history while it still symbolizes a time of hate, oppression and discrimination for a very large percentage of others? Not ONCE have I said anyone had to sacrifice their right to do what they want. I questioned it. These assumptions came from knee jerk reactions from other users. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chrono625 07/10/18 11:40:55 AM #86: |
I guess they are trying to own it. Like how the n word has been adopted by African American culture as their own. Trying to take the power away from others who would use it as an attack on them.
Recreating it to mean something else, or taking it away from those who would use it to oppress. Which reminds me, I was in Walmart last week and saw a white girl wearing one. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpinKirby 07/10/18 11:41:23 AM #87: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
No, I didnt. The previous poster claimed I was just cherry picking oppressive symbols as if that somehow dismissed the hijab as one. --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrupt_Power 07/10/18 11:41:48 AM #88: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Corrupt_Power posted...Hijab bans boil down to this: "I know better than you. I think you're opressed, even though you don't think you are. I'm going to oppress your right to self-expression and autonomy because of it." You're certainly towing the line for them, though. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:41:50 AM #89: |
gunplagirl posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. See my last post towards @Corrupt_Power about how the only people making the assumption that I want the hijab banned are people like you who ignorantly assumed so. Its as if you cant even question something without you jumping to a conclusion. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:42:31 AM #90: |
Corrupt_Power posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Corrupt_Power posted...Hijab bans boil down to this: "I know better than you. I think you're opressed, even though you don't think you are. I'm going to oppress your right to self-expression and autonomy because of it." Asking questions is not towing the line and dumb assumptions like that are why these discussions are derailed so often. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 07/10/18 11:42:32 AM #91: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
gunplagirl posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. There's just no helping people this lost in the fog. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1337toothbrush 07/10/18 11:43:08 AM #92: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Are we pretending that the culture that just now allowed women to drive is promoting their best interests now? "The culture" meaning all of Islam? Islam is not a monoculture. Women could drive in other predominantly Muslim countries long ago. The US just happens to ally with the most oppressive of regimes and allowing women to drive in Shitty Arabia is just a PR stunt for them to make their shitty "kingdom" look more appealing since their oil money is running out. By the way, the hijab is not religiously mandated. Stop getting your knowledge of Islam from terrorists who love using religion to oppress women. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Teddytalks 07/10/18 11:43:14 AM #93: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Teddytalks posted...TC is trolling Considering I actually have friends wearing the hijab, I can tell for a fact you're wrong. This isn't something to discuss. Go argue with a Muslim irl about why they should listen to you dictate what they can and can't wear because of the history of people telling them what they can and can't wear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:43:59 AM #94: |
chrono625 posted...
I guess they are trying to own it. Like how the n word has been adopted by African American culture as their own. Trying to take the power away from others who would use it as an attack on them. I have to say that I believe theres a bit of a grey area between owning a word and owning a symbol. Id be willing to go more in depth on this with you if you would like. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Teddytalks 07/10/18 11:44:21 AM #95: |
1337toothbrush posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Are we pretending that the culture that just now allowed women to drive is promoting their best interests now? Funny enough, they recently started taxing people, and they already started hiding their money. Saudi Arabia is going to collapse in on itself in a few decades and women will get alot more rights..... Or it will turn into a terrorist hotbed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:44:59 AM #96: |
Teddytalks posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Teddytalks posted...TC is trolling Your anecdotal evidence doesnt validate your opinion. You should know that. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/10/18 11:45:36 AM #97: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
gunplagirl posted...Deadpool_18 posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...gunplagirl posted...You really don't get to decide what it represents to them though. You said you want the women to acknowledge the harmful past. Like, I can't explain to you how how to be a decent human being, that's something you'd have to pay a therapist to do. --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sayoria 07/10/18 11:45:45 AM #98: |
Deadpool_18 posted...
Goats posted...@Sayoria, your boyfriend is losing it again, can you cool him off please sudowoodo. Hun, please stop causing trouble here. Don't make me invite my mom to stay with us this weekend to whip you into shape. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOctopus 07/10/18 11:46:05 AM #99: |
MorbidFaithless posted...
Teddytalks posted...Choice. They choose to do it. That how it is a form of expression. Not in the middle east >_> --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:46:14 AM #100: |
1337toothbrush posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Are we pretending that the culture that just now allowed women to drive is promoting their best interests now? I know the hijab isnt religiously mandated. Its oppressively mandated TODAY by people who view women as less than men. If you cant conceptualize that then were going to have a hard time. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deadpool_18 07/10/18 11:46:58 AM #101: |
Sayoria posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...Goats posted...@Sayoria, your boyfriend is losing it again, can you cool him off please sudowoodo. You tell Deborah to keep her wide ass and her carnival glass collection in Naples, Florida. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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