Current Events > Nintendo fucked over the Gameboy creator Yokoi

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This man creates the d-pad and the Gameboy. Nintneod blames the Virtual Boy failure on him since it was his idea, but he never thought it should have been released in its current form. He knew it would be a disaster. Nintendo is fucked up and that's why I buy Sony.

Sony always wins baby
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And then he dies in a car "accident"
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ChainedRedone posted...

This man creates the d-pad and the Gameboy. Nintneod blames the Virtual Boy failure on him since it was his idea, but he never thought it should have been released in its current form. He knew it would be a disaster. Nintendo is fucked up and that's why I buy Sony.

Sony always wins baby

lol do you even know why the play station exists?
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Got news for you, that's just Japanese Business Culture. Even at Sony.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Sony always wins baby

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Squidkids posted...

lol do you even know why the play station exists?

Because Nintendo wanted to stick with cartridges instead of using discs, therefore Sony broke off from their agreement and made the PlayStation on their own, and Ninty went forward with the N64
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HylianFox posted...

And then he dies in a car "accident"

Shuto-uke posted...

HylianFox posted...

And then he dies in a car "accident"

Nintendo Illuminati confirmed.
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His role in developing Nintendo's primary business philosophy in the video games industry is sadly overlooked. But then so is Yamauchi's influence now, somehow.
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HylianFox posted...

Squidkids posted...

lol do you even know why the play station exists?

Because Nintendo wanted to stick with cartridges instead of using discs, therefore Sony broke off from their agreement and made the PlayStation on their own, and Ninty went forward with the N64

Nintendo broke it off
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ChainedRedone posted...

Nintendo broke it off

either way the alternate future where the Nintendo PlayStation exists didn't happen
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Nintendo is a money trap. The Wii never had a good game library and the whole thing about the New 3ds really turned me off. I dont think Ill ever buy a Nintendo system until it already has a ton of good games (ds/3ds)
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HylianFox posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Nintendo broke it off

either way the alternate future where the Nintendo PlayStation exists didn't happen

The Nintendo PlayStation exists it just has no games and was never commercially sold. There's like 6 working prototype models in the hands of private collectors.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

HylianFox posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Nintendo broke it off

either way the alternate future where the Nintendo PlayStation exists didn't happen

The Nintendo PlayStation exists it just has no games and was never commercially sold. There's like 6 working prototype models in the hands of private collectors.

What games does it have then?
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Secret Of Mana was known to have been developed for it, then they had to substantially cut the planned game down to become a regular SNES cart game.

ChainedRedone posted...

HylianFox posted...

Squidkids posted...

lol do you even know why the play station exists?

Because Nintendo wanted to stick with cartridges instead of using discs, therefore Sony broke off from their agreement and made the PlayStation on their own, and Ninty went forward with the N64

Nintendo broke it off

ya i was gonna say nintendo broke it and went to Phillips..

lul huge mistake
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ArchiePeck posted...

Secret Of Mana was known to have been developed for it, then they had to substantially cut the planned game down to become a regular SNES cart game.

interesting
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ChainedRedone posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

HylianFox posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Nintendo broke it off

either way the alternate future where the Nintendo PlayStation exists didn't happen

The Nintendo PlayStation exists it just has no games and was never commercially sold. There's like 6 working prototype models in the hands of private collectors.

What games does it have then?

SNES games and homebrews

They remind of of Yakuza mentality. someone has to be held responsible.
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ArchiePeck posted...

Secret Of Mana was known to have been developed for it, then they had to substantially cut the planned game down to become a regular SNES cart game.

So That's what happened to the 9th sphere...
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Wikipedia has a little bit on it, there was a huge article on retrogamer magazine a while back I remember reading about it's development:

Secret of Mana was originally planned to be a launch title for the SNES-CD add-on.[26][27] After the contract between Nintendo and Sony to produce the add-on failed, and Sony repurposed its work on the SNES-CD into the competing PlayStation console, Square adapted the game for the SNES cartridge format.

The game had to be altered to fit the storage space of a SNES game cartridge, which is much smaller than that of a CD-ROM.[28] The developers initially resisted continuing the project without the CD add-on, believing that too much of the game would have to be cut, but they were overruled by company management. As a result of the hardware change, several features had to be cut from the game, and some completed work needed to be redone.[24][27] One of the most significant changes was the removal of the option to take multiple routes through the game that led to several possible endings, in contrast to the linear journey in the final product.[7] The plot that remained was different than the original conception, and Tanaka has said that the original story had a much darker tone.[24] Ishii has estimated that up to forty percent of the planned game was dropped to meet the space limitations, and critics have suggested that the hardware change led to technical problems when too much happens at once in the game.[24][29]

In 2006, Level magazine claimed that Secret of Mana's rocky development was Square's main inspiration to move their games, such as the Final Fantasy series, from Nintendo consoles to Sony consoles in 1996.[24]

VandorLee posted...

They remind of of Yakuza mentality. someone has to be held responsible.

Considering Nintendo started out making decks of cards that were probably used mostly for gambling, it wouldn't surprise me that Nintendo still has at least a pinky toe dipped in the shady business pool.
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ArchiePeck posted...

retrogamer magazine

I've been thinking about subscribing to that actually
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ok
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Squidkids posted...

ya i was gonna say nintendo broke it and went to Phillips..

lul huge mistake

but then we wouldn't have gotten the hours of entertainment from YouTube Poops and the like
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He also made good Metroid. Then Sakamoto came along and destroyed that franchise.
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Nintendo simply has insane luck considering all their fuckups.

Al-Uzza posted...

Nintendo simply has insane luck considering all their fuckups.

What do you mean? When they fucked up the CD technology thing, they suffered heavily for it and lost basically all of their share of the console market.

What kept them alive wasn't luck, it was the Gameboy.
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Al-Uzza posted...

Nintendo simply has insane luck considering all their fuckups.

Where do you think their name comes from?
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Balrog0 posted...

What kept them alive wasn't luck, it was the Gameboy.

and Pokemon

come to think of it, would Nintendo be alive today if it weren't for the MASSIVE success of Pokemon? they may have survived developing for other platforms, but they wouldn't be in the console business themselves
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Balrog0 posted...

What do you mean? When they fucked up the CD technology thing, they suffered heavily for it and lost basically all of their share of the console market.

What kept them alive wasn't luck, it was the Gameboy.

The Wii was a great success despite being a shit and gimmicky system. I grant their handhelds are great but their console history has been bad since the 64 (which I still enjoyed but it was a joke to PS).

Nintendo's handheld are faaaar more successful than their consoles, which is why they have been so tentative in heading in the direction they finally did with the Switch.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Nintendo's handheld are faaaar more successful than their consoles, which is why they have been so tentative in heading in the direction they finally did with the Switch.

And it seems to be working, so far. Here's hoping SSBU et al will be amazing
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HylianFox posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Nintendo broke it off

either way the alternate future where the Nintendo PlayStation exists didn't happen

https://www.engadget.com/2015/11/06/nintendo-playstation-is-real-and-it-works/

ArchiePeck posted...

Wikipedia has a little bit on it, there was a huge article on retrogamer magazine a while back I remember reading about it's development:

Secret of Mana was originally planned to be a launch title for the SNES-CD add-on.[26][27] After the contract between Nintendo and Sony to produce the add-on failed, and Sony repurposed its work on the SNES-CD into the competing PlayStation console, Square adapted the game for the SNES cartridge format.

The game had to be altered to fit the storage space of a SNES game cartridge, which is much smaller than that of a CD-ROM.[28] The developers initially resisted continuing the project without the CD add-on, believing that too much of the game would have to be cut, but they were overruled by company management. As a result of the hardware change, several features had to be cut from the game, and some completed work needed to be redone.[24][27] One of the most significant changes was the removal of the option to take multiple routes through the game that led to several possible endings, in contrast to the linear journey in the final product.[7] The plot that remained was different than the original conception, and Tanaka has said that the original story had a much darker tone.[24] Ishii has estimated that up to forty percent of the planned game was dropped to meet the space limitations, and critics have suggested that the hardware change led to technical problems when too much happens at once in the game.[24][29]

In 2006, Level magazine claimed that Secret of Mana's rocky development was Square's main inspiration to move their games, such as the Final Fantasy series, from Nintendo consoles to Sony consoles in 1996.[24]

I find it funny how nintendo and other 3rd parties kept developing these "killer apps" that could only be achieved in such upcoming console, only to then say later "lol J/K here is the game in a current console"

For example, zelda OoT was going to be a N64 DD game, killer instinct was going to be a N64 game, and turns out secret of mana was going to be a SNES CD game haha

Shuto-uke posted...

I find it funny how nintendo and other 3rd parties kept developing these "killer apps" that could only be achieved in such upcoming console, only to then say later "lol J/K here is the game in a current console"

For example, zelda OoT was going to be a N64 DD game, killer instinct was going to be a N64 game, and turns out secret of mana was going to be a SNES CD game haha

But then you have perfectly good games delayed so they can be ported to newer hardware, like Twilight Princess for the Wii and Breath of the Wild for the Switch (okay, the latter is forgivable since no-one owned a Wii U)
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Master_Bass posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

HylianFox posted...

And then he dies in a car "accident"

Nintendo Illuminati confirmed.

memento mori
nintendominati.
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Shuto-uke posted...

For example, zelda OoT was going to be a N64 DD game, killer instinct was going to be a N64 game, and turns out secret of mana was going to be a SNES CD game haha

And Mother 3 was Earthbound 64. It's kind of a good thing this was changed though since 64 graphics get more horrendous by the year.

there was this game that had Miyamoto and Itoi on it called Cabbage in development for the 64DD but it never came out at all, it sounds like it would've been something I would've really liked but it was not to be

Al-Uzza posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

For example, zelda OoT was going to be a N64 DD game, killer instinct was going to be a N64 game, and turns out secret of mana was going to be a SNES CD game haha

And Mother 3 was Earthbound 64. It's kind of a good thing this was changed though since 64 graphics get more horrendous by the year.

I feel they weren't always that bad. It's modern monitors that make them suck so much?

Squidkids posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

HylianFox posted...

Squidkids posted...

lol do you even know why the play station exists?

Because Nintendo wanted to stick with cartridges instead of using discs, therefore Sony broke off from their agreement and made the PlayStation on their own, and Ninty went forward with the N64

Nintendo broke it off

ya i was gonna say nintendo broke it and went to Phillips..

lul huge mistake

Not really.

Sony hid a toxic clause in their initial agreement contract where if development of the 'Nintendo Playstation' went through to commercial sales, Sony would gain control over every single Nintendo IP ever made. Forever.

One of the reasons Nintendo broke everything off is because they belatedly found out about said clause and the execs got livid. And that's why they made sure to strictly limit their IP usage when they wrote out the new agreement with Phillips: Only those four infamous CD-i games.
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Sony sucks
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Distant_Rainbow posted...

One of the reasons Nintendo broke everything off is because they belatedly found out about said clause and the execs got livid. And that's why they made sure to strictly limit their IP usage when they wrote out the new agreement with Phillips: Only those four infamous CD-i games.

There were more than 4. That deal also went wrong. They signed a contract with Phillips saying they'd license out their games for the system and then refused to actually license them (they likely could not pass internal curation at Nintendo). Phillips had to sue to be allowed to make those games so those games, while legally made, were done so without permission from Nintendo, but only because Nintendo was legally compelled to allow them to be made.

That was basically the last time they ever cooperated with any third party hardware company.
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Shuto-uke posted...

Al-Uzza posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

For example, zelda OoT was going to be a N64 DD game, killer instinct was going to be a N64 game, and turns out secret of mana was going to be a SNES CD game haha

And Mother 3 was Earthbound 64. It's kind of a good thing this was changed though since 64 graphics get more horrendous by the year.

I feel they weren't always that bad. It's modern monitors that make them suck so much?

Yes. Plug in an old crt and they look fine.
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Distant_Rainbow posted...

Squidkids posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

HylianFox posted...

Squidkids posted...

lol do you even know why the play station exists?

Because Nintendo wanted to stick with cartridges instead of using discs, therefore Sony broke off from their agreement and made the PlayStation on their own, and Ninty went forward with the N64

Nintendo broke it off

ya i was gonna say nintendo broke it and went to Phillips..

lul huge mistake

Not really.

Sony hid a toxic clause in their initial agreement contract where if development of the 'Nintendo Playstation' went through to commercial sales, Sony would gain control over every single Nintendo IP ever made. Forever.

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Uh no that's completely false. Sony would only have control over whatever was released on the SNES CD format. Nintendo could have renegotiated instead they went behind Sony's backs and humiliated them.
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Vyrulisse posted...

Got news for you, that's just Japanese Business Culture.

This.

Seniority and shame are two big things there.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Uh no that's completely false. Sony would only have control over whatever was released on the SNES CD format. Nintendo could have renegotiated instead they went behind Sony's backs and humiliated them.

Sony would own what was released on the SNES CD completely. Meaning if they made Mario 64 for it, Sony could sell their own copies of Mario 64 on any other platform and could block Nintendo from reproducing it.

They would not own "Mario" in general, but they'd have total rights to Mario 64.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Uh no that's completely false. Sony would only have control over whatever was released on the SNES CD format. Nintendo could have renegotiated instead they went behind Sony's backs and humiliated them.

Sony would own what was released on the SNES CD completely. Meaning if they made Mario 64 for it, Sony could sell their own copies of Mario 64 on any other platform and could block Nintendo from reproducing it.

They would not own "Mario" in general, but they'd have total rights to Mario 64.

Right that's what I meant, I worded it poorly. They would not have rights over every Nintendo IP ever made.
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