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darkjedilink 07/12/18 9:41:16 PM #101:	Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics. What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904978215] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment</quote> That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics.</quote> What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:41:17 PM #102:	darkjedilink posted... And, again, the left blocks access to content online all the time via protest. One of the first responses in this topic talked about protests demanding GoDaddy from shutting down websites of white supremacists. So, clearly, you're okay with content being blocked online, as long as it's content you don't like. Why are you falsely equating companies hosting websites to companies connecting you to companies hosting websites? --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904978216] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>And, again, the left blocks access to content online all the time via protest. One of the first responses in this topic talked about protests demanding GoDaddy from shutting down websites of white supremacists. So, clearly, you're okay with content being blocked online, as long as it's content you don't like.</quote> Why are you falsely equating companies hosting websites to companies connecting you to companies hosting websites?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/12/18 9:41:51 PM #103:	Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:904978247] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 07/12/18 9:42:13 PM #104:	Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... And, again, the left blocks access to content online all the time via protest. One of the first responses in this topic talked about protests demanding GoDaddy from shutting down websites of white supremacists. So, clearly, you're okay with content being blocked online, as long as it's content you don't like. Why are you falsely equating companies hosting websites to companies connecting you to companies hosting websites? Because he wants someone to tell him what he can view. He is unable to make his own decision. It's why he blames liberals on his divorce. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:904978266] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>And, again, the left blocks access to content online all the time via protest. One of the first responses in this topic talked about protests demanding GoDaddy from shutting down websites of white supremacists. So, clearly, you're okay with content being blocked online, as long as it's content you don't like.</quote> Why are you falsely equating companies hosting websites to companies connecting you to companies hosting websites?</quote> Because he wants someone to tell him what he can view. He is unable to make his own decision. It's why he blames liberals on his divorce.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/12/18 9:43:01 PM #105:	Please stop feeding DJL --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:904978313] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>Please stop feeding DJL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:43:51 PM #106:	darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics. What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then? Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904978349] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment</quote> That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics.</quote> What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then?</quote> Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/12/18 9:44:14 PM #107:	Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... And, again, the left blocks access to content online all the time via protest. One of the first responses in this topic talked about protests demanding GoDaddy from shutting down websites of white supremacists. So, clearly, you're okay with content being blocked online, as long as it's content you don't like. Why are you falsely equating companies hosting websites to companies connecting you to companies hosting websites? How is it different? If it's a "free and open internet," there's no difference. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904978369] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>And, again, the left blocks access to content online all the time via protest. One of the first responses in this topic talked about protests demanding GoDaddy from shutting down websites of white supremacists. So, clearly, you're okay with content being blocked online, as long as it's content you don't like.</quote> Why are you falsely equating companies hosting websites to companies connecting you to companies hosting websites?</quote> How is it different? If it's a "free and open internet," there's no difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:44:57 PM #108:	SageHarpuia posted... Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules. Yeah GoDaddy being a website host is a far more accurate comparison to your "renting and apartment" scenario than what you just tried. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904978401] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules.</quote> Yeah GoDaddy being a website host is a far more accurate comparison to your "renting and apartment" scenario than what you just tried.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/12/18 9:45:01 PM #109:	Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics. What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then? Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again. What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904978404] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment</quote> That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics.</quote> What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then?</quote> Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again.</quote> What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 07/12/18 9:46:16 PM #110:	maybe now people will start ignoring darkjedilink like they do DE <cite>treewojima posted [p:904978479] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>maybe now people will start ignoring darkjedilink like they do DE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/12/18 9:46:44 PM #111:	darkjedilink posted... THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO STOP IT, according to the United States Constitution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil_Co._v._United_States As in the case against American Tobacco, which was decided the same day, the Court concluded that these facts were within the power of Congress to regulate under the Commerce Clause. The Court recognized that, "taken literally," the term "restraint of trade" could refer to any number of normal or usual contracts that do not harm the public. The Court embarked on a lengthy exegesis of English authorities relevant to the meaning of the term "restraint of trade." Based on this review, the Court concluded that the term "restraint of trade" had come to refer to a contract that resulted in "monopoly or its consequences." The Court identified three such consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904978508] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO STOP IT, according to the United States Constitution.</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil_Co._v._United_States <quote>As in the case against American Tobacco, which was decided the same day, the Court concluded that these facts were within the power of Congress to regulate under the Commerce Clause. The Court recognized that, "taken literally," the term "restraint of trade" could refer to any number of normal or usual contracts that do not harm the public. The Court embarked on a lengthy exegesis of English authorities relevant to the meaning of the term "restraint of trade." Based on this review, the Court concluded that the term "restraint of trade" had come to refer to a contract that resulted in "monopoly or its consequences." The Court identified three such consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/12/18 9:47:07 PM #112:	Bio1590 posted... SageHarpuia posted... Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules. Yeah GoDaddy being a website host is a far more accurate comparison to your "renting and apartment" scenario than what you just tried. It's really not, because they still own the connection you're using. Don't like it? Make your own ISP. I dare you. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:904978537] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules.</quote> Yeah GoDaddy being a website host is a far more accurate comparison to your "renting and apartment" scenario than what you just tried.</quote> It's really not, because they still own the connection you're using. Don't like it? Make your own ISP. I dare you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 07/12/18 9:47:28 PM #113:	Damn_Underscore posted... Blocking websites (without a good reason) goes against the spirit of free speech. Correct. I think it would be absolutely fantastic if private companies and private universities all voluntarily decided to run their operations in a way that promoted the spirit of free speech. That doesn't mean they should be compelled to do so by the government. And what do you define as "without a good reason"? Is there certain content you would be okay with being blocked? Or are you just talking about sites loaded with viruses/malware or purely illegal content? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:904978561] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Blocking websites (without a good reason) goes against the spirit of free speech.</quote> Correct. I think it would be absolutely fantastic if private companies and private universities all voluntarily decided to run their operations in a way that promoted the spirit of free speech. That doesn't mean they should be compelled to do so by the government. And what do you define as "without a good reason"? Is there certain content you would be okay with being blocked? Or are you just talking about sites loaded with viruses/malware or purely illegal content?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:47:40 PM #114:	darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics. What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then? Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again. What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws? No, I just can't believe how actually literally stupid you are that you'd double-down on a statement you made with absolutely no basis in reality and then expect other people to do anything to appease you. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904978572] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment</quote> That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics.</quote> What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then?</quote> Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again.</quote> What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws?</quote> No, I just can't believe how actually literally stupid you are that you'd double-down on a statement you made with absolutely no basis in reality and then expect other people to do anything to appease you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/12/18 9:48:23 PM #115:	Webmaster4531 posted... darkjedilink posted... THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO STOP IT, according to the United States Constitution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil_Co._v._United_States As in the case against American Tobacco, which was decided the same day, the Court concluded that these facts were within the power of Congress to regulate under the Commerce Clause. The Court recognized that, "taken literally," the term "restraint of trade" could refer to any number of normal or usual contracts that do not harm the public. The Court embarked on a lengthy exegesis of English authorities relevant to the meaning of the term "restraint of trade." Based on this review, the Court concluded that the term "restraint of trade" had come to refer to a contract that resulted in "monopoly or its consequences." The Court identified three such consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality. The commerce clause literally can't apply, since no interstate commerce could be regulated. Your ISP is literally local, as regulated by law. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904978610] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO STOP IT, according to the United States Constitution.</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil_Co._v._United_States <quote>As in the case against American Tobacco, which was decided the same day, the Court concluded that these facts were within the power of Congress to regulate under the Commerce Clause. The Court recognized that, "taken literally," the term "restraint of trade" could refer to any number of normal or usual contracts that do not harm the public. The Court embarked on a lengthy exegesis of English authorities relevant to the meaning of the term "restraint of trade." Based on this review, the Court concluded that the term "restraint of trade" had come to refer to a contract that resulted in "monopoly or its consequences." The Court identified three such consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality.</quote></quote> The commerce clause literally can't apply, since no interstate commerce could be regulated. Your ISP is literally local, as regulated by law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/12/18 9:49:06 PM #116:	Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics. What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then? Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again. What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws? No, I just can't believe how actually literally stupid you are that you'd double-down on a statement you made with absolutely no basis in reality and then expect other people to do anything to appease you. It's literally your claim I'm asking you to back up. YOU are the one who claimed that the NRA isn't the only group fighting liberal gun laws. I'm asking you to back up that assumption. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904978658] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment</quote> That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics.</quote> What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then?</quote> Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again.</quote> What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws?</quote> No, I just can't believe how actually literally stupid you are that you'd double-down on a statement you made with absolutely no basis in reality and then expect other people to do anything to appease you.</quote> It's literally your claim I'm asking you to back up. YOU are the one who claimed that the NRA isn't the only group fighting liberal gun laws. I'm asking you to back up that assumption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:50:05 PM #118:	SageHarpuia posted... Bio1590 posted... SageHarpuia posted... Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules. Yeah GoDaddy being a website host is a far more accurate comparison to your "renting and apartment" scenario than what you just tried. It's really not, because they still own the connection you're using. Don't like it? Make your own ISP. I dare you. A far more accurate comparison would be a private company owning a stretch of road that you have to pay a toll to access, and them suddenly deciding that you can't use one of the already-existing exits off said road because it leads to a strip club that they do not own that sits on land they do not own. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904978714] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Why can't people get around the concept of ISPs owning the connection you're using? When you can't get something yourself you pay someone for it, you're renting it out. If you rent an apartment you still have to follow the landlord's rules.</quote> Yeah GoDaddy being a website host is a far more accurate comparison to your "renting and apartment" scenario than what you just tried.</quote> It's really not, because they still own the connection you're using. Don't like it? Make your own ISP. I dare you.</quote> A far more accurate comparison would be a private company owning a stretch of road that you have to pay a toll to access, and them suddenly deciding that you can't use one of the already-existing exits off said road because it leads to a strip club that they do not own that sits on land they do not own.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/12/18 9:50:40 PM #119:	@darkjedilink Is the site committing crimes or helping its users to commit crimes? If yes, then it would justifiably be blocked (even with net neutrality). If not, don't be surprised when every site about every political opinion is called to be blocked by some group. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:904978751] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>@darkjedilink Is the site committing crimes or helping its users to commit crimes? If yes, then it would justifiably be blocked (even with net neutrality). If not, don't be surprised when every site about every political opinion is called to be blocked by some group.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:52:06 PM #120:	darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... Bio1590 posted... darkjedilink posted... the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics. What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then? Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again. What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws? No, I just can't believe how actually literally stupid you are that you'd double-down on a statement you made with absolutely no basis in reality and then expect other people to do anything to appease you. It's literally your claim I'm asking you to back up. YOU are the one who claimed that the NRA isn't the only group fighting liberal gun laws. I'm asking you to back up that assumption. It's not an "assumption" because it's literally fact. Let's pretend the GOA doesn't exist, who is actually literally fighting the bump-stock ban right now. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904978821] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> the NRA is the only organization fighting for the Second Amendment</quote> That is absolute bullshit. The NRA is simply the organization that has most successfully seeped into Federal and State politics.</quote> What non-NRA-affiliated groups fought against liberal gun laws, then?</quote> Are you actually going to do this. Like Actually You're actually going to pretend you weren't just talking out of your ass again.</quote> What? Can't find a single non-NRA-affiliated group that sued against liberal gun laws?</quote> No, I just can't believe how actually literally stupid you are that you'd double-down on a statement you made with absolutely no basis in reality and then expect other people to do anything to appease you.</quote> It's literally your claim I'm asking you to back up. YOU are the one who claimed that the NRA isn't the only group fighting liberal gun laws. I'm asking you to back up that assumption.</quote> It's not an "assumption" because it's literally fact. Let's pretend the GOA doesn't exist, who is actually literally fighting the bump-stock ban right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/12/18 9:52:08 PM #121:	darkjedilink posted... Webmaster4531 posted... darkjedilink posted... THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO STOP IT, according to the United States Constitution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil_Co._v._United_States As in the case against American Tobacco, which was decided the same day, the Court concluded that these facts were within the power of Congress to regulate under the Commerce Clause. The Court recognized that, "taken literally," the term "restraint of trade" could refer to any number of normal or usual contracts that do not harm the public. The Court embarked on a lengthy exegesis of English authorities relevant to the meaning of the term "restraint of trade." Based on this review, the Court concluded that the term "restraint of trade" had come to refer to a contract that resulted in "monopoly or its consequences." The Court identified three such consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality. The commerce clause literally can't apply, since no interstate commerce could be regulated. Your ISP is literally local, as regulated by law. The FTC was created based on the commerce clause and absolutely does have authority over ISPs. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904978823] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO STOP IT, according to the United States Constitution.</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil_Co._v._United_States <quote>As in the case against American Tobacco, which was decided the same day, the Court concluded that these facts were within the power of Congress to regulate under the Commerce Clause. The Court recognized that, "taken literally," the term "restraint of trade" could refer to any number of normal or usual contracts that do not harm the public. The Court embarked on a lengthy exegesis of English authorities relevant to the meaning of the term "restraint of trade." Based on this review, the Court concluded that the term "restraint of trade" had come to refer to a contract that resulted in "monopoly or its consequences." The Court identified three such consequences: higher prices, reduced output, and reduced quality.</quote></quote> The commerce clause literally can't apply, since no interstate commerce could be regulated. Your ISP is literally local, as regulated by law.</quote> The FTC was created based on the commerce clause and absolutely does have authority over ISPs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/12/18 9:54:55 PM #122:	You can come up with different comparisons all but at the end of the day they still own the connection. And last time I checked the First Amendment was to keep the government's powers in check, it has nothing to do with random company who happens to have a gateway to a form of communication. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:904978986] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>You can come up with different comparisons all but at the end of the day they still own the connection. And last time I checked the First Amendment was to keep the government's powers in check, it has nothing to do with random company who happens to have a gateway to a form of communication.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/12/18 9:55:14 PM #123:	Damn_Underscore posted... @darkjedilink Is the site committing crimes or helping its users to commit crimes? If yes, then it would justifiably be blocked (even with a net neutrality). If not, don't be surprised when every site about every political opinion is called to be blocked by some group. Those sites aren't protested because of "illegal content," and you fucking know it. Also, are you suggesting that every site with a political opinion ISN'T called on to be blocked? You don't think people RIGHT NOW are trying to get sites like Breitbart blocked? Are people not demanding Alex Jones and InfoWars be kicked off Facebook? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904979006] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>@darkjedilink Is the site committing crimes or helping its users to commit crimes? If yes, then it would justifiably be blocked (even with a net neutrality). If not, don't be surprised when every site about every political opinion is called to be blocked by some group.</quote> Those sites aren't protested because of "illegal content," and you fucking know it. Also, are you suggesting that every site with a political opinion ISN'T called on to be blocked? You don't think people RIGHT NOW are trying to get sites like Breitbart blocked? Are people not demanding Alex Jones and InfoWars be kicked off Facebook?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 9:57:52 PM #124:	darkjedilink posted... Are people not demanding Alex Jones and InfoWars be kicked off Facebook? People are asking Facebook to simply follow its own rules and public statements lmfao. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904979153] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Are people not demanding Alex Jones and InfoWars be kicked off Facebook?</quote> People are asking Facebook to simply follow its own rules and public statements lmfao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/12/18 9:58:36 PM #125:	SageHarpuia posted... You can come up with different comparisons all but at the end of the day they still own the connection. And last time I checked the First Amendment was to keep the government's powers in check, it has nothing to do with random company who happens to have a gateway to a form of communication. We can't give ISPs control of a region AND give them control over what you can and cannot see if it doesn't line up with their values. Because that is effectively the people giving up their free speech for their corporate overlords to exercise theirs. Websites controlling their content is one thing. This is an entirely different ballpark in an entirely different city. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:904979200] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>You can come up with different comparisons all but at the end of the day they still own the connection. And last time I checked the First Amendment was to keep the government's powers in check, it has nothing to do with random company who happens to have a gateway to a form of communication.</quote> We can't give ISPs control of a region AND give them control over what you can and cannot see if it doesn't line up with their values. Because that is effectively the people giving up their free speech for their corporate overlords to exercise theirs. Websites controlling their content is one thing. This is an entirely different ballpark in an entirely different city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/12/18 10:01:08 PM #126:	hockeybub89 posted... SageHarpuia posted... You can come up with different comparisons all but at the end of the day they still own the connection. And last time I checked the First Amendment was to keep the government's powers in check, it has nothing to do with random company who happens to have a gateway to a form of communication. We can't give ISPs control of a region AND give them control over what you can and cannot see if it doesn't line up with their values. Because that is effectively the people giving up their free speech for their corporate overlords to exercise theirs. Websites controlling their content is one thing. This is an entirely different ballpark in an entirely different city. Except it isn't. If you're going to violate the First Amendment rights of ISP's, then you ALSO must violate the First Amendment rights of hosts. And we all know that the only Amendment liberals hate more than the Second is the First. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904979345] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>You can come up with different comparisons all but at the end of the day they still own the connection. And last time I checked the First Amendment was to keep the government's powers in check, it has nothing to do with random company who happens to have a gateway to a form of communication.</quote> We can't give ISPs control of a region AND give them control over what you can and cannot see if it doesn't line up with their values. Because that is effectively the people giving up their free speech for their corporate overlords to exercise theirs. Websites controlling their content is one thing. This is an entirely different ballpark in an entirely different city.</quote> Except it isn't. If you're going to violate the First Amendment rights of ISP's, then you ALSO must violate the First Amendment rights of hosts. And we all know that the only Amendment liberals hate more than the Second is the First.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 07/12/18 10:03:21 PM #127:	"We're sorry, the number you have dialed is inaccessible because we don't like the person or entity it is associated with. Please hang up and try again." dialtone imagine the tune that people would be singing if Verizon could block your calls to someone using AT&T because they own the infrastructure. or even better, Verizon blocking a call to another Verizon user because one of the people doesn't pass their corporate litmus test <cite>treewojima posted [p:904979476] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>"We're sorry, the number you have dialed is inaccessible because we don't like the person or entity it is associated with. Please hang up and try again." dialtone imagine the tune that people would be singing if Verizon could block your calls to someone using AT&T because they own the infrastructure. or even better, Verizon blocking a call to another Verizon user because one of the people doesn't pass their corporate litmus test</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/12/18 10:03:32 PM #128:	So giving control over to the free market is forfeiting free speech, but giving it over to the government (which by the way is Republican led atm) isn't? --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:904979483] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>So giving control over to the free market is forfeiting free speech, but giving it over to the government (which by the way is Republican led atm) isn't?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/12/18 10:05:12 PM #129:	When you're so much of a trump slurping hack even D_U is against you. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:904979565] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>When you're so much of a trump slurping hack even D_U is against you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/12/18 10:08:29 PM #130:	SageHarpuia posted... So giving control over to the free market ISPs are not in a free market. Literal regional monopolies. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:904979716] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>So giving control over to the free market </quote> ISPs are not in a free market. Literal regional monopolies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/12/18 10:08:43 PM #131:	Today, the only sites that are blocked are the ones committing crimes. Plenty of sites are called to be blocked for political reasons I'm sure, but none of them will get blocked. Which is how it should be, because freedom of speech is a good thing. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:904979730] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>Today, the only sites that are blocked are the ones committing crimes. Plenty of sites are called to be blocked for political reasons I'm sure, but none of them will get blocked. Which is how it should be, because freedom of speech is a good thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/12/18 10:09:20 PM #132:	SageHarpuia posted... So giving control over to the free market is forfeiting free speech, but giving it over to the government (which by the way is Republican led atm) isn't? The market is free if you consider moving across the country or singlehandedly creating your own ISP and finding a way to survive as "voting with your wallet". And I don't want the government to control my free speech. I want them to protect it. It is sad that you mention which party is in charge. Imagine living in a timeline where free expression is a partisan issue. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:904979763] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>So giving control over to the free market is forfeiting free speech, but giving it over to the government (which by the way is Republican led atm) isn't?</quote> The market is free if you consider moving across the country or singlehandedly creating your own ISP and finding a way to survive as "voting with your wallet". And I don't want the government to control my free speech. I want them to protect it. It is sad that you mention which party is in charge. Imagine living in a timeline where free expression is a partisan issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 07/12/18 10:10:47 PM #133:	Damn_Underscore posted... Plenty of sites are called to be blocked for political reasons I'm sure, but none of them will get blocked. Which is how it should be, because freedom of speech is a good thing. For now, maybe. --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:904979845] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Plenty of sites are called to be blocked for political reasons I'm sure, but none of them will get blocked. Which is how it should be, because freedom of speech is a good thing.</quote> For now, maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 07/12/18 10:17:50 PM #134:	I think the main argument is that ISPs facilitating connections shouldn't be a free speech issue in the first place, but it has become one thanks to a) consolidation of ISP power within a region, b) the rather odd view that corporate entities are entitled to the same rights as individuals, and c) the fact that it takes a bit of technical knowledge to really understand how the Internet works, and there's a vast disinformation campaign taking advantage of that <cite>treewojima posted [p:904980213] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>I think the main argument is that ISPs facilitating connections shouldn't be a free speech issue in the first place, but it has become one thanks to a) consolidation of ISP power within a region, b) the rather odd view that corporate entities are entitled to the same rights as individuals, and c) the fact that it takes a bit of technical knowledge to really understand how the Internet works, and there's a vast disinformation campaign taking advantage of that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 07/12/18 10:23:39 PM #135:	treewojima posted... I think the main argument is that ISPs facilitating connections shouldn't be a free speech issue in the first place, but it has become one thanks to a) consolidation of ISP power within a region, b) the rather odd view that corporate entities are entitled to the same rights as individuals, and c) the fact that it takes a bit of technical knowledge to really understand how the Internet works, and there's a vast disinformation campaign taking advantage of that Would you have a different opinion if there were more ISPs? How would you feel about a publishing company with left leaning owners that refused to publish a book that portrayed Trump positively? Or a bookstore that refused to order the book for its customers for ideological reasons? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:904980545] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>I think the main argument is that ISPs facilitating connections shouldn't be a free speech issue in the first place, but it has become one thanks to a) consolidation of ISP power within a region, b) the rather odd view that corporate entities are entitled to the same rights as individuals, and c) the fact that it takes a bit of technical knowledge to really understand how the Internet works, and there's a vast disinformation campaign taking advantage of that</quote> Would you have a different opinion if there were more ISPs? How would you feel about a publishing company with left leaning owners that refused to publish a book that portrayed Trump positively? Or a bookstore that refused to order the book for its customers for ideological reasons?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/12/18 10:23:43 PM #136:	http://thehill.com/policy/technology/396711-fcc-passes-controversial-rule-to-revise-complaint-procedures Should be focusing on actual first amendment violations by the government imo. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:904980548] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>http://thehill.com/policy/technology/396711-fcc-passes-controversial-rule-to-revise-complaint-procedures Should be focusing on actual first amendment violations by the government imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 07/12/18 10:28:05 PM #137:	Bio1590 posted... http://thehill.com/policy/technology/396711-fcc-passes-controversial-rule-to-revise-complaint-procedures Should be focusing on actual first amendment violations by the government imo. I just learned about that today. I don't think it's possible for me to hate Ajit Pai any more than I already do, so from now on I'm going to describe him solely in terms of punchability. This move is bordering on donkey punch territory. <cite>treewojima posted [p:904980791] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>http://thehill.com/policy/technology/396711-fcc-passes-controversial-rule-to-revise-complaint-procedures Should be focusing on actual first amendment violations by the government imo.</quote> I just learned about that today. I don't think it's possible for me to hate Ajit Pai any more than I already do, so from now on I'm going to describe him solely in terms of punchability. This move is bordering on donkey punch territory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The-Apostle 07/12/18 10:41:01 PM #138:	Bio1590 posted... ISPs don't make their own content. Cox has a cable service. I'm legit scared I could lose Hulu over this. Hulu has shown repeatedly that they actually care about their customers, while Cox has shown that they don't. --- http://goo.gl/mnO36O #GoPackGo Not changing sig until NHL players are allowed to play in the Olympics. Started 2/22/2018 <cite>The-Apostle posted [p:904981433] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>ISPs don't make their own content.</quote> Cox has a cable service. I'm legit scared I could lose Hulu over this. Hulu has shown repeatedly that they actually care about their customers, while Cox has shown that they don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 07/13/18 10:17:48 AM #139:	This free speech stuff should apply to phone lines as well! Come on free speech! Block all those calls. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:905002422] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote>This free speech stuff should apply to phone lines as well! Come on free speech! Block all those calls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 07/13/18 11:12:10 AM #140:	The-Apostle posted... Bio1590 posted... ISPs don't make their own content. Cox has a cable service. I'm legit scared I could lose Hulu over this. Hulu has shown repeatedly that they actually care about their customers, while Cox has shown that they don't. I'm almost positive Spectrum is throttling Twitch and YouTube where I live. I can get 60 Mbps download speeds in a speed test but streaming videos from these sites will constantly stop to buffer. <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:905005010] in Trump'... [t:76795285]...</cite> <quote><cite>The-Apostle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>ISPs don't make their own content.</quote> Cox has a cable service. I'm legit scared I could lose Hulu over this. Hulu has shown repeatedly that they actually care about their customers, while Cox has shown that they don't.</quote> I'm almost positive Spectrum is throttling Twitch and YouTube where I live. I can get 60 Mbps download speeds in a speed test but streaming videos from these sites will constantly stop to buffer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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