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kayoticdreamz 07/15/18 5:30:58 PM #51:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Americans have to bring their personal life to work with them because they don't have time throughout the week to do otherwise. i have to say this is a very astute point i had never thought of before. it really is true, with no time to have a personal life away from work, you have to have it somewhere. just imagine if you cut 2 hours off the work day, people wouldn't have to bring their personal lives to work. <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:905131287] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>Americans have to bring their personal life to work with them because they don't have time throughout the week to do otherwise.</quote> i have to say this is a very astute point i had never thought of before. it really is true, with no time to have a personal life away from work, you have to have it somewhere. just imagine if you cut 2 hours off the work day, people wouldn't have to bring their personal lives to work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 07/15/18 5:32:20 PM #52:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... I'm also trying to figure out how Americans ended up so "lazy", with a job culture that demands hard work for lesser pay and longer hours. Surely, you must have an explanation for that. i don't think americans are naturally lazy, but are pretty dumb. we have taken a fools bargain with the 40 hour a work week thing and refuse to renegotiate. <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:905131354] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>I'm also trying to figure out how Americans ended up so "lazy", with a job culture that demands hard work for lesser pay and longer hours. Surely, you must have an explanation for that.</quote> i don't think americans are naturally lazy, but are pretty dumb. we have taken a fools bargain with the 40 hour a work week thing and refuse to renegotiate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 07/15/18 5:33:58 PM #53:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... CommonJoe posted... You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. I've worked in an office. Try again. For 1 week before he got fired --- https://imgur.com/lwkIVOb <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:905131421] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. </quote> I've worked in an office. Try again.</quote> For 1 week before he got fired</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/15/18 5:34:38 PM #54:	REMercsChamp posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... CommonJoe posted... You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. I've worked in an office. Try again. For 1 week before he got fired You were never actually interested in what others had to say, were you? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905131455] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. </quote> I've worked in an office. Try again.</quote> For 1 week before he got fired</quote> You were never actually interested in what others had to say, were you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 07/15/18 5:34:49 PM #55:	I can't imagine how awesome it would be to only work 40 hours a week --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:905131461] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>I can't imagine how awesome it would be to only work 40 hours a week</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 5:34:50 PM #56:	REMercsChamp posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... CommonJoe posted... You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. I've worked in an office. Try again. For 1 week before he got fired Nope. Try again. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905131462] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. </quote> I've worked in an office. Try again.</quote> For 1 week before he got fired</quote> Nope. Try again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/15/18 5:36:28 PM #57:	40 hours isn't nearly enough for me each week <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905131538] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>40 hours isn't nearly enough for me each week</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 07/15/18 5:37:16 PM #58:	dave_is_slick posted... REMercsChamp posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... CommonJoe posted... You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. I've worked in an office. Try again. For 1 week before he got fired You were never actually interested in what others had to say, were you? No, why would I give a shit what people who assume every job that pays you for 40 hours has employees fucking around doing nothing of value for 35 of them have to say --- https://imgur.com/lwkIVOb <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:905131578] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>You call me detached but I dont think youve even held a job. Much less multiple jobs. </quote> I've worked in an office. Try again.</quote> For 1 week before he got fired</quote> You were never actually interested in what others had to say, were you?</quote> No, why would I give a shit what people who assume every job that pays you for 40 hours has employees fucking around doing nothing of value for 35 of them have to say</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cerealbox760 07/15/18 5:40:46 PM #59:	kayoticdreamz posted... I feel like people defending the "40 hour" work week have no concept of reality. there are several big problems with the "40 hour" work week. 1. it rarely is ever actually 40 hours, in america i think the average is something like 47 hours. this does not even include commutes to and from work. it certainly doesnt include prep time for work, for instance the time to get up, get dressed, make breakfast, etc. Traffic is certainly not factored into this either. all of that extra stuff that isn't you literally on the clock at the job comes out of your "play" time in the whole work-play-sleep 8 hours for each split. and of course many professions like nurses and doctors get completely steam rolled with BS shifts. My nurse friend last night was just working a 14 hour shift with no break. thats beyond BS. this is not a random one off example either, this kind of shit is common place. 2. a huge flaw in this system is that it pays based on time and not performance. as others have pointed out, why would you go tell your boss you are finished early only for him to give you more work for no extra pay when you can drag out one assignment instead? in essence do you do A or B A. do one job for X in an hour B. do 3 jobs for X in an hour? the option most people are going to pick is A because X is the same in each scenario. Retail, one of the largest forms of employment has to be one of the biggest offenders of this, but it is hardly alone. office work as many have pointed out, falls in this category. 3. due to the fact that the 40 hour work week essentially kills your free time, it kills the life of the employee and makes them unhealthy and miserable. for fucks sake, look at the health of your average american. the average american is in terrible health and struggles greatly to find a balance between work and living. 4. scared of boredom. in america we look down upon those that have free time. if you aren't busy, it is seen as a bad thing. we set up as heroes those that work 70 hours a week. sure there is nothing wrong with passion and drive, and i do not discourage that, but you cannot work 70 hours a week, and expect a happy life balance. mathamtically there is not enough time left in the week. 5. salaried employees are often abused. 6. smart phones have meant, work never really leaves you. there is always an email to check, and you can always be reached while on vacation. 7. diminishing returns....at some point burn out occurs, and employers fail to grasp this. working people 40+ hours a week, is about as effective as asking a person to drive drunk. it really accomplishes nothing, you just flat out stop being productive and hit diminishing returns. I could go on I am sure. Heres the kicker: Most people thrive in environments like that. They love certainty and a predictable paycheck. People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. Running a business can be worse. Last year ive made quite a bit of money. This year I havent made a dime and its more than halfway throughout the year. Everything failed on me. The average person would miserable enough to go find job. <cite>cerealbox760 posted [p:905131744] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like people defending the "40 hour" work week have no concept of reality. there are several big problems with the "40 hour" work week. 1. it rarely is ever actually 40 hours, in america i think the average is something like 47 hours. this does not even include commutes to and from work. it certainly doesnt include prep time for work, for instance the time to get up, get dressed, make breakfast, etc. Traffic is certainly not factored into this either. all of that extra stuff that isn't you literally on the clock at the job comes out of your "play" time in the whole work-play-sleep 8 hours for each split. and of course many professions like nurses and doctors get completely steam rolled with BS shifts. My nurse friend last night was just working a 14 hour shift with no break. thats beyond BS. this is not a random one off example either, this kind of shit is common place. 2. a huge flaw in this system is that it pays based on time and not performance. as others have pointed out, why would you go tell your boss you are finished early only for him to give you more work for no extra pay when you can drag out one assignment instead? in essence do you do A or B A. do one job for X in an hour B. do 3 jobs for X in an hour? the option most people are going to pick is A because X is the same in each scenario. Retail, one of the largest forms of employment has to be one of the biggest offenders of this, but it is hardly alone. office work as many have pointed out, falls in this category. 3. due to the fact that the 40 hour work week essentially kills your free time, it kills the life of the employee and makes them unhealthy and miserable. for fucks sake, look at the health of your average american. the average american is in terrible health and struggles greatly to find a balance between work and living. 4. scared of boredom. in america we look down upon those that have free time. if you aren't busy, it is seen as a bad thing. we set up as heroes those that work 70 hours a week. sure there is nothing wrong with passion and drive, and i do not discourage that, but you cannot work 70 hours a week, and expect a happy life balance. mathamtically there is not enough time left in the week. 5. salaried employees are often abused. 6. smart phones have meant, work never really leaves you. there is always an email to check, and you can always be reached while on vacation. 7. diminishing returns....at some point burn out occurs, and employers fail to grasp this. working people 40+ hours a week, is about as effective as asking a person to drive drunk. it really accomplishes nothing, you just flat out stop being productive and hit diminishing returns. I could go on I am sure.</quote> Heres the kicker: Most people thrive in environments like that. They love certainty and a predictable paycheck. People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. Running a business can be worse. Last year ive made quite a bit of money. This year I havent made a dime and its more than halfway throughout the year. Everything failed on me. The average person would miserable enough to go find job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 5:45:04 PM #60:	cerealbox760 posted... Heres the kicker: Most people thrive in environments like that. They love certainty and a predictable paycheck. People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. I wouldn't say not being completely and utterly miserable is the same as "thriving". The truth is that most people, at best, tolerate their job, but very, very, very few people would say they love it. If they won the lottery with the guarantee that they'd be set for life, they wouldn't even bother putting in a 2 weeks notice. I'd say that a job that you genuinely love doing is something you'd do for free if you didn't have to worry about bills and other payments. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905131914] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>cerealbox760 posted...</cite> <quote>Heres the kicker: Most people thrive in environments like that. They love certainty and a predictable paycheck. People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. </quote> I wouldn't say not being completely and utterly miserable is the same as "thriving". The truth is that most people, at best, tolerate their job, but very, very, very few people would say they love it. If they won the lottery with the guarantee that they'd be set for life, they wouldn't even bother putting in a 2 weeks notice. I'd say that a job that you genuinely love doing is something you'd do for free if you didn't have to worry about bills and other payments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/15/18 5:48:08 PM #61:	REMercsChamp posted... No And you've reinforced your status as one of the most pathetic people here. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905132073] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> And you've reinforced your status as one of the most pathetic people here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 5:53:29 PM #62:	@kayoticdreamz 1. Id argue breaks are overrated, especially for the types of "pointless" jobs where you can apparently be so lazy. Further, arguing that you arent being paid for eating breakfast or getting dressed is just laughable. 2. An employer not adequately recognizing performance has nothing to do with time spent working. Your employer is just shit, either because theyre short changing you or because they havent adequately defined their minimumd. Plus, again, most places arent like what youre describing. Try a job like a gas station or a fast food place. There is -always- something to do, and plenty to occupy 8 hours. 3. Lmao. No time my ass. Try being homeless. You have no idea how much time you have. 4. If you're working 70+ by choice, then its because work isnt work for you. Its easier to balance life and work when work is what you want to do instead of what you need to do. 5. Yep. Nothing to do with 40 hour weeks tho. 6. Except most jobs arent dont utilize your personal phone. Not everybody works in upper management. And even then, yet again, nothing to do with 40 hour weeks. 7. If youre burning out at 40 hours then youre overworking yourself. Thats a you problem. Even being compensated for the extra productivity isnt going to help you there. RchHomieQuanChi posted... I'm also trying to figure out how Americans ended up so "lazy", with a job culture that demands hard work for lesser pay and longer hours. Surely, you must have an explanation for that. Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. You cant have it both ways lmao. I think you just dont like your job (if you even have one) and need to rethink your life. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905132327] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>@kayoticdreamz 1. Id argue breaks are overrated, especially for the types of "pointless" jobs where you can apparently be so lazy. Further, arguing that you arent being paid for eating breakfast or getting dressed is just laughable. 2. An employer not adequately recognizing performance has nothing to do with time spent working. Your employer is just shit, either because theyre short changing you or because they havent adequately defined their minimumd. Plus, again, most places arent like what youre describing. Try a job like a gas station or a fast food place. There is -always- something to do, and plenty to occupy 8 hours. 3. Lmao. No time my ass. Try being homeless. You have no idea how much time you have. 4. If you're working 70+ by choice, then its because work isnt work for you. Its easier to balance life and work when work is what you want to do instead of what you need to do. 5. Yep. Nothing to do with 40 hour weeks tho. 6. Except most jobs arent dont utilize your personal phone. Not everybody works in upper management. And even then, yet again, nothing to do with 40 hour weeks. 7. If youre burning out at 40 hours then youre overworking yourself. Thats a you problem. Even being compensated for the extra productivity isnt going to help you there. <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>I'm also trying to figure out how Americans ended up so "lazy", with a job culture that demands hard work for lesser pay and longer hours. Surely, you must have an explanation for that.</quote> Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. You cant have it both ways lmao. I think you just dont like your job (if you even have one) and need to rethink your life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 07/15/18 5:57:53 PM #64:	CommonJoe posted... Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. I see no contradiction. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905132529] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. </quote> I see no contradiction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:04:09 PM #65:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... cerealbox760 posted... Heres the kicker: Most people thrive in environments like that. They love certainty and a predictable paycheck. People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. I wouldn't say not being completely and utterly miserable is the same as "thriving". The truth is that most people, at best, tolerate their job, but very, very, very few people would say they love it. If they won the lottery with the guarantee that they'd be set for life, they wouldn't even bother putting in a 2 weeks notice. I'd say that a job that you genuinely love doing is something you'd do for free if you didn't have to worry about bills and other payments. And if you actually care about productivity youd go find that job. Work is work. If you have a problem, find something better for you. Doing less work for more or even the same pay just means youre deliberately wasting your employers time and money. You want to be paid for the value of your work? Have fun struggling to not be a lazy fuck so you can actually make minimum wage, much less whatever it is you are making an hour. Like i said, either you get drastically overpaid or you end up having to work multiple jobs. Both of these things are things you literally do not like, as youve shown, yet here you are arguing for them. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905132797] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cerealbox760 posted...</cite> <quote>Heres the kicker: Most people thrive in environments like that. They love certainty and a predictable paycheck. People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. </quote> I wouldn't say not being completely and utterly miserable is the same as "thriving". The truth is that most people, at best, tolerate their job, but very, very, very few people would say they love it. If they won the lottery with the guarantee that they'd be set for life, they wouldn't even bother putting in a 2 weeks notice. I'd say that a job that you genuinely love doing is something you'd do for free if you didn't have to worry about bills and other payments.</quote> And if you actually care about productivity youd go find that job. Work is work. If you have a problem, find something better for you. Doing less work for more or even the same pay just means youre deliberately wasting your employers time and money. You want to be paid for the value of your work? Have fun struggling to not be a lazy fuck so you can actually make minimum wage, much less whatever it is you are making an hour. Like i said, either you get drastically overpaid or you end up having to work multiple jobs. Both of these things are things you literally do not like, as youve shown, yet here you are arguing for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:10:01 PM #66:	So why don't I? Because I have no goals, I have no motivation, I'm aimless, and any degree would be a waste of money and time, and I already failed out of university for being absolutely s*** at everything I do Gee, no wonder youre stuck in a job you hate. If we want to talk about a UBI then lets talk UBI. But lets not pretend this ^ is excusable. dave_is_slick posted... CommonJoe posted... Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. I see no contradiction. Then your opinion is worthless --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905133072] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><quote>So why don't I? Because I have no goals, I have no motivation, I'm aimless, and any degree would be a waste of money and time, and I already failed out of university for being absolutely s*** at everything I do</quote> Gee, no wonder youre stuck in a job you hate. If we want to talk about a UBI then lets talk UBI. But lets not pretend this ^ is excusable. <cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. </quote> I see no contradiction.</quote> Then your opinion is worthless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 07/15/18 6:11:03 PM #67:	CommonJoe posted... @kayoticdreamz 1. Id argue breaks are overrated, especially for the types of "pointless" jobs where you can apparently be so lazy. Further, arguing that you arent being paid for eating breakfast or getting dressed is just laughable. 2. An employer not adequately recognizing performance has nothing to do with time spent working. Your employer is just shit, either because theyre short changing you or because they havent adequately defined their minimumd. Plus, again, most places arent like what youre describing. Try a job like a gas station or a fast food place. There is -always- something to do, and plenty to occupy 8 hours. 3. Lmao. No time my ass. Try being homeless. You have no idea how much time you have. 4. If you're working 70+ by choice, then its because work isnt work for you. Its easier to balance life and work when work is what you want to do instead of what you need to do. 5. Yep. Nothing to do with 40 hour weeks tho. 6. Except most jobs arent dont utilize your personal phone. Not everybody works in upper management. And even then, yet again, nothing to do with 40 hour weeks. 7. If youre burning out at 40 hours then youre overworking yourself. Thats a you problem. Even being compensated for the extra productivity isnt going to help you there. RchHomieQuanChi posted... I'm also trying to figure out how Americans ended up so "lazy", with a job culture that demands hard work for lesser pay and longer hours. Surely, you must have an explanation for that. Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. You cant have it both ways lmao. I think you just dont like your job (if you even have one) and need to rethink your life. I feel like you have no idea what I said, meant by what I said, and just copy pasted talking points <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:905133120] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>@kayoticdreamz 1. Id argue breaks are overrated, especially for the types of "pointless" jobs where you can apparently be so lazy. Further, arguing that you arent being paid for eating breakfast or getting dressed is just laughable. 2. An employer not adequately recognizing performance has nothing to do with time spent working. Your employer is just shit, either because theyre short changing you or because they havent adequately defined their minimumd. Plus, again, most places arent like what youre describing. Try a job like a gas station or a fast food place. There is -always- something to do, and plenty to occupy 8 hours. 3. Lmao. No time my ass. Try being homeless. You have no idea how much time you have. 4. If you're working 70+ by choice, then its because work isnt work for you. Its easier to balance life and work when work is what you want to do instead of what you need to do. 5. Yep. Nothing to do with 40 hour weeks tho. 6. Except most jobs arent dont utilize your personal phone. Not everybody works in upper management. And even then, yet again, nothing to do with 40 hour weeks. 7. If youre burning out at 40 hours then youre overworking yourself. Thats a you problem. Even being compensated for the extra productivity isnt going to help you there. <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>I'm also trying to figure out how Americans ended up so "lazy", with a job culture that demands hard work for lesser pay and longer hours. Surely, you must have an explanation for that.</quote> Ah, but youre saying nobody cares if you work hard for less and longer. Now the culture "demands" the opposite. You cant have it both ways lmao. I think you just dont like your job (if you even have one) and need to rethink your life.</quote> I feel like you have no idea what I said, meant by what I said, and just copy pasted talking points</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cerealbox760 07/15/18 6:12:06 PM #68:	RedWhiteBlue posted... cerealbox760 posted... People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. Allow me to share with you a relatively short story about my work. I make 12.50/h doing some rather hard manual labor. Won't go into specific details because reasons. This was/is my first job. I've been here for 4 years now. I didn't need a degree to get here, I got a call on random Friday asking for help because my brother knew someone from here. Started at 11/h. I fucking hate my job. During the peak times it becomes inhumane the amount of shit and hours we have to do. But I need the money. Sounds like a lot of people, they need the money. Could always look for another job, right? Well, in my case that's not an option. My alternatives are jobs that have no overtime for less pay, jobs with simply less pay over time, jobs that make you do a lot of work for less pay, or spend years getting a degree for a career. I was offered a chance at $15/h for installing shit on rooftops and high places, but I have a phobia of heights, keep in mind that's beyond a simple fear. I can't control how I react to heights, you should see how I react to understand this fully. So how about a career? It takes time. A lot of people simply don't have that option, especially older people who have to pay rent, can't manage a job + school, already have debt, etc. But me? I could probably get back into school, delay school payments, and still live under a roof. I'd probably need a part time job that pays shit, but I could make it work. So why don't I? Because I have no goals, I have no motivation, I'm aimless, and any degree would be a waste of money and time, and I already failed out of university for being absolutely shit at everything I do. So I stay at my shitty job, making 12.50/h, not because I'm not miserable enough (plenty of people quit and the higher ups are aware of just how bad it is themselves), but because... I need the money School payments, car, car insurance, gas, house rent, house emergencies, food, the list goes on. So, tell me, in what ideal world do you live in where people secretly aren't miserable at their tedious 9-5 jobs, not slaving away and hating themselves in a shitty work culture, where most don't need support to even maintain where they're at, not getting worse and being less able to further themselves, because I want to live there. Im sure youre miserable just not miserable enough. If you worked roofing and your phobia of heights was really that bad, you'd miserable enough to quit despite the 15/hr pay. You got to look at the bigger picture. Youve hit a ceiling and you cant climb any higher. Your job right now is a dead end and your situation wont get any better unless you personally do something about it. If you want a better job you have let go and take the hit. Unemployment is at record lows. Opportunity is everywhere. But when youre too busy at your job, you dont see it. Maybe its time to get rid of that fancy car, eat ramen, and get a roommate in some big city to cut expenses because youre running out of options. If you dont take action, life has a funny way of taking action for you and youll like it even less. You have to take step back to take two forward. Uncertainty is scary I know. But the sooner you do it the better. <cite>cerealbox760 posted [p:905133173] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cerealbox760 posted...</cite> <quote>People who are miserable leave. If they dont leave aren't miserable enough. </quote> Allow me to share with you a relatively short story about my work. I make 12.50/h doing some rather hard manual labor. Won't go into specific details because reasons. This was/is my first job. I've been here for 4 years now. I didn't need a degree to get here, I got a call on random Friday asking for help because my brother knew someone from here. Started at 11/h. I fucking hate my job. During the peak times it becomes inhumane the amount of shit and hours we have to do. But I need the money. Sounds like a lot of people, they need the money. Could always look for another job, right? Well, in my case that's not an option. My alternatives are jobs that have no overtime for less pay, jobs with simply less pay over time, jobs that make you do a lot of work for less pay, or spend years getting a degree for a career. I was offered a chance at $15/h for installing shit on rooftops and high places, but I have a phobia of heights, keep in mind that's beyond a simple fear. I can't control how I react to heights, you should see how I react to understand this fully. So how about a career? It takes time. A lot of people simply don't have that option, especially older people who have to pay rent, can't manage a job + school, already have debt, etc. But me? I could probably get back into school, delay school payments, and still live under a roof. I'd probably need a part time job that pays shit, but I could make it work. So why don't I? Because I have no goals, I have no motivation, I'm aimless, and any degree would be a waste of money and time, and I already failed out of university for being absolutely shit at everything I do. So I stay at my shitty job, making 12.50/h, not because I'm not miserable enough (plenty of people quit and the higher ups are aware of just how bad it is themselves), but because... I need the money School payments, car, car insurance, gas, house rent, house emergencies, food, the list goes on. So, tell me, in what ideal world do you live in where people secretly aren't miserable at their tedious 9-5 jobs, not slaving away and hating themselves in a shitty work culture, where most don't need support to even maintain where they're at, not getting worse and being less able to further themselves, because I want to live there.</quote> Im sure youre miserable just not miserable enough. If you worked roofing and your phobia of heights was really that bad, you'd miserable enough to quit despite the 15/hr pay. You got to look at the bigger picture. Youve hit a ceiling and you cant climb any higher. Your job right now is a dead end and your situation wont get any better unless you personally do something about it. If you want a better job you have let go and take the hit. Unemployment is at record lows. Opportunity is everywhere. But when youre too busy at your job, you dont see it. Maybe its time to get rid of that fancy car, eat ramen, and get a roommate in some big city to cut expenses because youre running out of options. If you dont take action, life has a funny way of taking action for you and youll like it even less. You have to take step back to take two forward. Uncertainty is scary I know. But the sooner you do it the better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 07/15/18 6:16:26 PM #70:	Out of curiosity, what is everyone going to do with this hypothetical extra time anyway? About a year ago I took a new job and went from 55ish to 35ish hours a week. My weekly paycheck is only marginally smaller. I find myself simply wasting all of that extra time. I watch tv, play videogames and shit post on here a lot more often than before. I do work put slightly more often, but I honestly could ve fit that in before. I'm just using it to fill time now. --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:905133375] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>Out of curiosity, what is everyone going to do with this hypothetical extra time anyway? About a year ago I took a new job and went from 55ish to 35ish hours a week. My weekly paycheck is only marginally smaller. I find myself simply wasting all of that extra time. I watch tv, play videogames and shit post on here a lot more often than before. I do work put slightly more often, but I honestly could ve fit that in before. I'm just using it to fill time now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 07/15/18 6:18:37 PM #71:	Jiek_Fafn posted... Out of curiosity, what is everyone going to do with this hypothetical extra time anyway? About a year ago I took a new job and went from 55ish to 35ish hours a week. My weekly paycheck is only marginally smaller. I find myself simply wasting all of that extra time. I watch tv, play videogames and shit post on here a lot more often than before. I do work put slightly more often, but I honestly could ve fit that in before. I'm just using it to fill time now. Sounds like you just answered your own question --- https://imgur.com/lwkIVOb <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:905133479] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jiek_Fafn posted...</cite> <quote>Out of curiosity, what is everyone going to do with this hypothetical extra time anyway? About a year ago I took a new job and went from 55ish to 35ish hours a week. My weekly paycheck is only marginally smaller. I find myself simply wasting all of that extra time. I watch tv, play videogames and shit post on here a lot more often than before. I do work put slightly more often, but I honestly could ve fit that in before. I'm just using it to fill time now.</quote> Sounds like you just answered your own question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:19:15 PM #72:	RedWhiteBlue posted... CommonJoe posted... Gee, no wonder youre stuck in a job you hate. If we want to talk about a UBI then lets talk UBI. But lets not pretend this ^ is excusable. No one chooses to be lost in life. No one wants to suffer. No one wants to sit around and rot in depression. I am the way I am because of how I was raised, and the experiences around me. Instead of putting it on me, how about there be something to help people like me make a living? To make enough money to get by comfortably and have goals and actual desire to go out and do more? But actually caring about humans is too much, just ignore that and worry about yourself is all you need to do, eh? Or you rise above. You dont need an excuse to excel in life. If you truly wanted to, youd be doing it already. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905133513] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Gee, no wonder youre stuck in a job you hate. If we want to talk about a UBI then lets talk UBI. But lets not pretend this ^ is excusable. </quote> No one chooses to be lost in life. No one wants to suffer. No one wants to sit around and rot in depression. I am the way I am because of how I was raised, and the experiences around me. Instead of putting it on me, how about there be something to help people like me make a living? To make enough money to get by comfortably and have goals and actual desire to go out and do more? But actually caring about humans is too much, just ignore that and worry about yourself is all you need to do, eh?</quote> Or you rise above. You dont need an excuse to excel in life. If you truly wanted to, youd be doing it already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/15/18 6:19:59 PM #73:	cerealbox760 posted... Im sure youre miserable just not miserable enough. "I didn't read any of that and will simply repeat myself in the stupid belief that things changed." --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905133555] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>cerealbox760 posted...</cite> <quote>Im sure youre miserable just not miserable enough.</quote> "I didn't read any of that and will simply repeat myself in the stupid belief that things changed."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:20:13 PM #74:	Jiek_Fafn posted... Out of curiosity, what is everyone going to do with this hypothetical extra time anyway? About a year ago I took a new job and went from 55ish to 35ish hours a week. My weekly paycheck is only marginally smaller. I find myself simply wasting all of that extra time. I watch tv, play videogames and shit post on here a lot more often than before. I do work put slightly more often, but I honestly could ve fit that in before. I'm just using it to fill time now. These people dont want more time to live they want more time to waste. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905133564] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jiek_Fafn posted...</cite> <quote>Out of curiosity, what is everyone going to do with this hypothetical extra time anyway? About a year ago I took a new job and went from 55ish to 35ish hours a week. My weekly paycheck is only marginally smaller. I find myself simply wasting all of that extra time. I watch tv, play videogames and shit post on here a lot more often than before. I do work put slightly more often, but I honestly could ve fit that in before. I'm just using it to fill time now.</quote> These people dont want more time to live they want more time to waste.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/15/18 6:21:46 PM #75:	cerealbox760 posted... Im sure youre miserable just not miserable enough. "I didn't read any of that and will simply repeat myself in the stupid belief that things changed."CommonJoe posted... Then your opinion is worthless Aww, can't even tell me what the contradiction is? Funny how the "I so clever" types are the dumbest fuckers around. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905133633] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>cerealbox760 posted...</cite> <quote>Im sure youre miserable just not miserable enough.</quote> "I didn't read any of that and will simply repeat myself in the stupid belief that things changed."<cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Then your opinion is worthless</quote> Aww, can't even tell me what the contradiction is? Funny how the "I so clever" types are the dumbest fuckers around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/15/18 6:22:23 PM #76:	CommonJoe posted... These people dont want more time to live they want more time to waste. dave_is_slick posted... Funny how the "I so clever" types are the dumbest f*ers around. Didn't even have to lift a finger. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905133661] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>These people dont want more time to live they want more time to waste.</quote> <cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how the "I so clever" types are the dumbest f*ers around.</quote> Didn't even have to lift a finger.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:26:12 PM #77:	Yeah sorry, Im not paid enough to explaina clear contradiction to you. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905133841] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>Yeah sorry, Im not paid enough to explaina clear contradiction to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 07/15/18 6:29:57 PM #78:	CommonJoe posted... Yeah sorry, Im not paid enough to explaina clear contradiction to you. So you're too dense to explain something that's supposedly clear. I really don't have to lift a finger! Y'all just throw yourselves on the blade! --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:905134023] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah sorry, Im not paid enough to explaina clear contradiction to you.</quote> So you're too dense to explain something that's supposedly clear. I really don't have to lift a finger! Y'all just throw yourselves on the blade!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:34:42 PM #79:	If American job culture doesnt care if you work harder or not, it cannot simultaneously demand more work. A job isnt going to demand you put in 40 hours and just be okay with it when you put in 5. Anybody thats held a job knows this. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905134229] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>If American job culture doesnt care if you work harder or not, it cannot simultaneously demand more work. A job isnt going to demand you put in 40 hours and just be okay with it when you put in 5. Anybody thats held a job knows this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 6:47:23 PM #80:	Also, fun fact, Im a homeless person. Tell me more about how "horrible" your 40 hour week is when dont have your video games to go home too. I remember as a younger man feeling constantly bored with life, despite having so much stimuli available to me. I even felt like I didnt have enough time in the day. Then I ended up in this situation, and now I know what true boredom is. If you want to work then work. But if your problem with working 40 hours is that you "have" to then you either need to get over it or get some perspective like I did. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905134934] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>Also, fun fact, Im a homeless person. Tell me more about how "horrible" your 40 hour week is when dont have your video games to go home too. I remember as a younger man feeling constantly bored with life, despite having so much stimuli available to me. I even felt like I didnt have enough time in the day. Then I ended up in this situation, and now I know what true boredom is. If you want to work then work. But if your problem with working 40 hours is that you "have" to then you either need to get over it or get some perspective like I did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 7:41:06 PM #81:	CommonJoe posted... If American job culture doesnt care if you work harder or not, it cannot simultaneously demand more work. What are you even talking about? What I said is that there is no incentive for the American worker to work harder beyond the fear of being fired (and even if you DO work hard, you can still be laid off and dropped for any reason whatsoever). Your pay is capped regardless of how much work you can get done in an hour, and even if you finished everything you're assigned to do, you still have to sit at the office until your designated time to leave, at which point your boss will either dump more work on your head just to keep you busy, or you're forced to sit there with nothing to do. At the same time, our work culture (a.k.a. the employers) demands that workers work harder, for lesser pay, longer hours and less job security than even past generations, or else you're considered "lazy". The 40-hour week is particularly problematic because multiple countries and even multiple U.S. businesses have shown that more hours does not equate to more productivity. Those are not contradictory statements. I know you wanted a clever "Gotcha!" moment, but it didn't work this time. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905137791] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>If American job culture doesnt care if you work harder or not, it cannot simultaneously demand more work. </quote> What are you even talking about? What I said is that there is no incentive for the American worker to work harder beyond the fear of being fired (and even if you DO work hard, you can still be laid off and dropped for any reason whatsoever). Your pay is capped regardless of how much work you can get done in an hour, and even if you finished everything you're assigned to do, you still have to sit at the office until your designated time to leave, at which point your boss will either dump more work on your head just to keep you busy, or you're forced to sit there with nothing to do. At the same time, our work culture (a.k.a. the employers) demands that workers work harder, for lesser pay, longer hours and less job security than even past generations, or else you're considered "lazy". The 40-hour week is particularly problematic because multiple countries and even multiple U.S. businesses have shown that more hours does not equate to more productivity. Those are not contradictory statements. I know you wanted a clever "Gotcha!" moment, but it didn't work this time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 7:43:34 PM #82:	CommonJoe posted... Also, fun fact, Im a homeless person. Tell me more about how "horrible" your 40 hour week is when dont have your video games to go home too. And it seems that you have nothing to offer to the conversation but ad hominem, stereotypes and assumptions. Also, if you're homeless, you'd probably be better off not wasting your time away on a message board and figuring out how to better your situation. Or am I tripping? --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905137937] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Also, fun fact, Im a homeless person. Tell me more about how "horrible" your 40 hour week is when dont have your video games to go home too. </quote> And it seems that you have nothing to offer to the conversation but ad hominem, stereotypes and assumptions. Also, if you're homeless, you'd probably be better off not wasting your time away on a message board and figuring out how to better your situation. Or am I tripping?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 8:10:40 PM #83:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... CommonJoe posted... If American job culture doesnt care if you work harder or not, it cannot simultaneously demand more work. What are you even talking about? What I said is that there is no incentive for the American worker to work harder beyond the fear of being fired (and even if you DO work hard, you can still be laid off and dropped for any reason whatsoever). At the same time, our work culture (a.k.a. the employers) demands that workers work harder, for lesser pay and longer hours, or else you're considered "lazy". Those are not contradictory statements. I know you wanted a clever "Gotcha!" moment, but it didn't work this time. If theres no incentives being offerred by the employer then they arent actually demanding more work for less pay. If you got appropriately paid for doing the bare minimum to not get fired you wouldnt even make minimum wage. Thats what you apparently dont get. These employers youre taking so much issue with arent asking more of you without giving you a reason. Theyre asking you to make it worth it to pay you whatever your actual wage is. If theres a disconnect between your actual wage and the work being demanded of you, thats your employer being shit and, again, has nothing to do with working 40 hours. RchHomieQuanChi posted... CommonJoe posted... Also, fun fact, Im a homeless person. Tell me more about how "horrible" your 40 hour week is when dont have your video games to go home too. And it seems that you have nothing to offer to the conversation but ad hominem, stereotypes and assumptions. Also, if you're homeless, you'd probably be better off not wasting your time away on a message board and figuring out how to better your situation. Or am I tripping? On Aug 17 i will no longer be homeless, because I now have a job that not only pays a living wage as a base but on comission leaves me an potential 6 figure yearly income. Case in point, Ive been on the job making $15/hr base since the beginning of June and I now make an equivalent $25ish/hr. And thats only going to go up. Is this something everybodies going to be able to find? No (though we are hiring, its also sink or swim if you even get an interview. It wasnt easy getting my foot in the door) but nothings stopping you from trying. Also, nice try trying to call me out for fallacies Im not using while in the same post using one of those fallacies to try to discredit me. Homelessness is pure boredom, and now that Im on my way out of the hole its a waiting game. Ive got nothing better to do right now than to just keep working and sleeping, and promptly kill any time I have beyond that. Hence, posting on message boards and living vicariously through a couple dozen youtubers if Netflix/Hulu arent keeping me engaged. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905139573] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>If American job culture doesnt care if you work harder or not, it cannot simultaneously demand more work. </quote> What are you even talking about? What I said is that there is no incentive for the American worker to work harder beyond the fear of being fired (and even if you DO work hard, you can still be laid off and dropped for any reason whatsoever). At the same time, our work culture (a.k.a. the employers) demands that workers work harder, for lesser pay and longer hours, or else you're considered "lazy". Those are not contradictory statements. I know you wanted a clever "Gotcha!" moment, but it didn't work this time.</quote> If theres no incentives being offerred by the employer then they arent actually demanding more work for less pay. If you got appropriately paid for doing the bare minimum to not get fired you wouldnt even make minimum wage. Thats what you apparently dont get. These employers youre taking so much issue with arent asking more of you without giving you a reason. Theyre asking you to make it worth it to pay you whatever your actual wage is. If theres a disconnect between your actual wage and the work being demanded of you, thats your employer being shit and, again, has nothing to do with working 40 hours. <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Also, fun fact, Im a homeless person. Tell me more about how "horrible" your 40 hour week is when dont have your video games to go home too. </quote> And it seems that you have nothing to offer to the conversation but ad hominem, stereotypes and assumptions. Also, if you're homeless, you'd probably be better off not wasting your time away on a message board and figuring out how to better your situation. Or am I tripping?</quote> On Aug 17 i will no longer be homeless, because I now have a job that not only pays a living wage as a base but on comission leaves me an potential 6 figure yearly income. Case in point, Ive been on the job making $15/hr base since the beginning of June and I now make an equivalent $25ish/hr. And thats only going to go up. Is this something everybodies going to be able to find? No (though we are hiring, its also sink or swim if you even get an interview. It wasnt easy getting my foot in the door) but nothings stopping you from trying. Also, nice try trying to call me out for fallacies Im not using while in the same post using one of those fallacies to try to discredit me. Homelessness is pure boredom, and now that Im on my way out of the hole its a waiting game. Ive got nothing better to do right now than to just keep working and sleeping, and promptly kill any time I have beyond that. Hence, posting on message boards and living vicariously through a couple dozen youtubers if Netflix/Hulu arent keeping me engaged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 8:36:33 PM #84:	CommonJoe posted... If theres no incentives being offerred by the employer then they arent actually demanding more work for less pay. If they fire you for not working harder, then yes....they are. Lol. CommonJoe posted... Thats what you apparently dont get. These employers youre taking so much issue with arent asking more of you without giving you a reason. Theyre asking you to make it worth it to pay you whatever your actual wage is. But here's what you're not understanding, once again. 40-hours a week is not maximizing productivity. Other countries have already proven this. Your pay should be dictated by the work you've done, not the hours you've worked. This is what the whole argument boils down to. Salespeople, independent contractors, freelancers, entrepreneurs, etc., do not gain x amount of dollars for working y amount of hours. They gain money based off of if the job gets done, or if they make a sale. They are incentivized to push themselves harder through their work because the quicker they get done, the quicker they get to move onto the next thing, whether that be making another sale, taking on a different project, or simply enjoying leisure time. That is the direct reward for their hard work: freedom. Meanwhile, the 40 hour work week is hurting productivity. Workers are becoming unhealthy. They're becoming stressed. They have almost no time to spend with family and friends throughout the week. And even when the week is over, a chunk of their weekend is dedicated towards doing chores that they didn't have the energy or time to do during the week. These are facts. You can work a worker to death for 40 hours a week, then next week they have to take 2 days off because they got sick as a result of poor health and stress. Guess what? You've now lost 16 hours of productivity. The alternative is that you have workers keeping themselves sane at work by taking time away from their work while on the clock. That also hurts productivity. The jobs I worked at entitled you to two 15 minute breaks while on the clock. Wouldn't even be necessary if you got to go home early after an honest day's work. The hour long lunches people take also wouldn't even be necessary if they just got to keep that hour and go home. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905141008] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>If theres no incentives being offerred by the employer then they arent actually demanding more work for less pay. </quote> If they fire you for not working harder, then yes....they are. Lol. <cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Thats what you apparently dont get. These employers youre taking so much issue with arent asking more of you without giving you a reason. Theyre asking you to make it worth it to pay you whatever your actual wage is.</quote> But here's what you're not understanding, once again. 40-hours a week is not maximizing productivity. Other countries have already proven this. Your pay should be dictated by the work you've done, not the hours you've worked. This is what the whole argument boils down to. Salespeople, independent contractors, freelancers, entrepreneurs, etc., do not gain x amount of dollars for working y amount of hours. They gain money based off of if the job gets done, or if they make a sale. They are incentivized to push themselves harder through their work because the quicker they get done, the quicker they get to move onto the next thing, whether that be making another sale, taking on a different project, or simply enjoying leisure time. That is the direct reward for their hard work: freedom. Meanwhile, the 40 hour work week is hurting productivity. Workers are becoming unhealthy. They're becoming stressed. They have almost no time to spend with family and friends throughout the week. And even when the week is over, a chunk of their weekend is dedicated towards doing chores that they didn't have the energy or time to do during the week. These are facts. You can work a worker to death for 40 hours a week, then next week they have to take 2 days off because they got sick as a result of poor health and stress. Guess what? You've now lost 16 hours of productivity. The alternative is that you have workers keeping themselves sane at work by taking time away from their work while on the clock. That also hurts productivity. The jobs I worked at entitled you to two 15 minute breaks while on the clock. Wouldn't even be necessary if you got to go home early after an honest day's work. The hour long lunches people take also wouldn't even be necessary if they just got to keep that hour and go home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 07/15/18 8:37:26 PM #85:	Its easy to fall into the routine. I would rather a predictable schedule, but not everyone does --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:905141050] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>Its easy to fall into the routine. I would rather a predictable schedule, but not everyone does</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlameAnesthesia 07/15/18 9:02:03 PM #86:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Meanwhile, the 40 hour work week is hurting productivity. Workers are becoming unhealthy. They're becoming stressed. They have almost no time to spend with family and friends throughout the week. And even when the week is over, a chunk of their weekend is dedicated towards doing chores that they didn't have the energy or time to do during the week. These are facts. You can work a worker to death for 40 hours a week, then next week they have to take 2 days off because they got sick as a result of poor health and stress. Guess what? You've now lost 16 hours of productivity. It's funny how relative all of this is. I'm on a trauma ICU clinical rotation right now that is at least 80 hours per week. I still have to do chores and exercise, because those needs don't magically go away. It sucks, and I don't advocate for 80 hour work weeks at all, but I'll survive the month. But hearing you bitch about 40 hours is kind of laughable. If you can't get your chores done, fit in exercise/cooking, and have time for recreation in a 40 hour work week, you are terribly undisciplined. Either that or you're whining about not being able to play video games for 8 hours a day anymore. --- https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/watson_medical_algorithm.png <cite>BlameAnesthesia posted [p:905142461] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, the 40 hour work week is hurting productivity. Workers are becoming unhealthy. They're becoming stressed. They have almost no time to spend with family and friends throughout the week. And even when the week is over, a chunk of their weekend is dedicated towards doing chores that they didn't have the energy or time to do during the week. These are facts. You can work a worker to death for 40 hours a week, then next week they have to take 2 days off because they got sick as a result of poor health and stress. Guess what? You've now lost 16 hours of productivity.</quote> It's funny how relative all of this is. I'm on a trauma ICU clinical rotation right now that is at least 80 hours per week. I still have to do chores and exercise, because those needs don't magically go away. It sucks, and I don't advocate for 80 hour work weeks at all, but I'll survive the month. But hearing you bitch about 40 hours is kind of laughable. If you can't get your chores done, fit in exercise/cooking, and have time for recreation in a 40 hour work week, you are terribly undisciplined. Either that or you're whining about not being able to play video games for 8 hours a day anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 9:04:54 PM #87:	BlameAnesthesia posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... Meanwhile, the 40 hour work week is hurting productivity. Workers are becoming unhealthy. They're becoming stressed. They have almost no time to spend with family and friends throughout the week. And even when the week is over, a chunk of their weekend is dedicated towards doing chores that they didn't have the energy or time to do during the week. These are facts. You can work a worker to death for 40 hours a week, then next week they have to take 2 days off because they got sick as a result of poor health and stress. Guess what? You've now lost 16 hours of productivity. It's funny how relative all of this is. I'm on a trauma ICU clinical rotation right now that is at least 80 hours per week. I still have to do chores and exercise, because those needs don't magically go away. It sucks, and I don't advocate for 80 hour work weeks at all, but I'll survive the month. But hearing you bitch about 40 hours is kind of laughable. If you can't get your chores done, fit in exercise/cooking, and have time for recreation in a 40 hour work week, you are terribly undisciplined. Either that or you're whining about not being able to play video games for 8 hours a day anymore. "I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad." --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905142636] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlameAnesthesia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, the 40 hour work week is hurting productivity. Workers are becoming unhealthy. They're becoming stressed. They have almost no time to spend with family and friends throughout the week. And even when the week is over, a chunk of their weekend is dedicated towards doing chores that they didn't have the energy or time to do during the week. These are facts. You can work a worker to death for 40 hours a week, then next week they have to take 2 days off because they got sick as a result of poor health and stress. Guess what? You've now lost 16 hours of productivity.</quote> It's funny how relative all of this is. I'm on a trauma ICU clinical rotation right now that is at least 80 hours per week. I still have to do chores and exercise, because those needs don't magically go away. It sucks, and I don't advocate for 80 hour work weeks at all, but I'll survive the month. But hearing you bitch about 40 hours is kind of laughable. If you can't get your chores done, fit in exercise/cooking, and have time for recreation in a 40 hour work week, you are terribly undisciplined. Either that or you're whining about not being able to play video games for 8 hours a day anymore.</quote> "I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 9:09:41 PM #88:	@RchHomieQuanChi 1. Then you need to reevaluate. Is the problem them demanding the unreasonable, or is the problem you not delivering work equatable to your wage? 2. Then address the issue Ive pointed out at least twice now instead of cherry picking: Per your argument, either we must be drastically overpaid or we must work several jobs. I mean, you do realize what youre suggesting means people cannot afford to live right? And even more, in other countries like the previous German example, most people choose to work the 40 anyway. 2.1 And people in these types of jobs work 40+ hours anyway because working more = more money. In every other job, however, if youre not being incentivized to exceed the min performance than either your company is shit or that minimum is not being defined. (Which is likely also becaude your company is just shit). And mind you im not even going to touch on the fact that Ive never worked a non-seasonal job where just hitting the minimum was even remotely tolerated. Huh, just realized youre pretty much defining the minimum as being a middle of the road employee. Not great, not terrible. Just okay. So I do have to wonder your motivations for getting so uppity over 40 hours? What do you do exactly? 2.3 1. Americans are unhealthy in general. Giving us more time to sit around and do nothing isnt going to make us healthier. 2. If youre stressed at 40 hours youre overworking yourself. 3. You get 8-10 hours depending on how much sleep you need. That is plenty of the time, not to mention the additional 40-45 hour weekend. You clearly need perspective in your life man. Particuraly if you seriously believe there isnt enough time in the week. 2.4 This called overworking, which has nothing to do with how many hours worked. You can be overworked working 20 hours just as much as you can be at 40 or more. This can be just as much the workers fault as the employers. 2.5 You realize workers fought for this right? Lmao. And btw, if your break is time wasted then youre not really contributing much to your company when you are working, are you? I again have to ask, what do you do? Pretty clear to me you must resent your job to be so uppity. Inb4 he cherry picks --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905142947] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>@RchHomieQuanChi 1. Then you need to reevaluate. Is the problem them demanding the unreasonable, or is the problem you not delivering work equatable to your wage? 2. Then address the issue Ive pointed out at least twice now instead of cherry picking: Per your argument, either we must be drastically overpaid or we must work several jobs. I mean, you do realize what youre suggesting means people cannot afford to live right? And even more, in other countries like the previous German example, most people choose to work the 40 anyway. 2.1 And people in these types of jobs work 40+ hours anyway because working more = more money. In every other job, however, if youre not being incentivized to exceed the min performance than either your company is shit or that minimum is not being defined. (Which is likely also becaude your company is just shit). And mind you im not even going to touch on the fact that Ive never worked a non-seasonal job where just hitting the minimum was even remotely tolerated. Huh, just realized youre pretty much defining the minimum as being a middle of the road employee. Not great, not terrible. Just okay. So I do have to wonder your motivations for getting so uppity over 40 hours? What do you do exactly? 2.3 1. Americans are unhealthy in general. Giving us more time to sit around and do nothing isnt going to make us healthier. 2. If youre stressed at 40 hours youre overworking yourself. 3. You get 8-10 hours depending on how much sleep you need. That is plenty of the time, not to mention the additional 40-45 hour weekend. You clearly need perspective in your life man. Particuraly if you seriously believe there isnt enough time in the week. 2.4 This called overworking, which has nothing to do with how many hours worked. You can be overworked working 20 hours just as much as you can be at 40 or more. This can be just as much the workers fault as the employers. 2.5 You realize workers fought for this right? Lmao. And btw, if your break is time wasted then youre not really contributing much to your company when you are working, are you? I again have to ask, what do you do? Pretty clear to me you must resent your job to be so uppity. Inb4 he cherry picks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 07/15/18 9:11:35 PM #89:	smh. lazy millennials that want to get paid while slacking off smh. smgdh. smh tbh fam. --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs <cite>Turbam posted [p:905143064] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>smh. lazy millennials that want to get paid while slacking off smh. smgdh. smh tbh fam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlameAnesthesia 07/15/18 9:12:20 PM #90:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... "I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad." But with that line of reasoning all work is bad for our health and we just shouldn't work! Yeah the 40 hour work week is arbitrary. But if you've ever worked more then that and still had to do meet all your adult responsibilities, the way you adapt forces you to be more judicious and meaningful with your free time. And then after that, when you have chiller hours, you realize just how much you were wasting doing absolutely nothing of value. It's literal laziness. If you feel 40 hour work week is "too much", then be more efficient with your time off. Don't spend 6 hours lurking CE. Make a checklist. Run through all your chores as soon as possible. Do something meaningful with the rest of the time. I find that if I take the time and effort to go to the rock climbing gym for 2-3 hours, I find that a lot more fulfilling and rewarding than had I played video games for literally the entire day off. And I like video games. --- https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/watson_medical_algorithm.png <cite>BlameAnesthesia posted [p:905143115] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>"I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad."</quote> But with that line of reasoning all work is bad for our health and we just shouldn't work! Yeah the 40 hour work week is arbitrary. But if you've ever worked more then that and still had to do meet all your adult responsibilities, the way you adapt forces you to be more judicious and meaningful with your free time. And then after that, when you have chiller hours, you realize just how much you were wasting doing absolutely nothing of value. It's literal laziness. If you feel 40 hour work week is "too much", then be more efficient with your time off. Don't spend 6 hours lurking CE. Make a checklist. Run through all your chores as soon as possible. Do something meaningful with the rest of the time. I find that if I take the time and effort to go to the rock climbing gym for 2-3 hours, I find that a lot more fulfilling and rewarding than had I played video games for literally the entire day off. And I like video games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 9:17:47 PM #91:	BlameAnesthesia posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... "I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad." But with that line of reasoning all work is bad for our health and we just shouldn't work! Yeah the 40 hour work week is arbitrary. But if you've ever worked more then that and still had to do meet all your adult responsibilities, the way you adapt forces you to be more judicious and meaningful with your free time. And then after that, when you have chiller hours, you realize just how much you were wasting doing absolutely nothing of value. It's literal laziness. If you feel 40 hour work week is "too much", then be more efficient with your time off. Don't spend 6 hours lurking CE. Make a checklist. Run through all your chores as soon as possible. Do something meaningful with the rest of the time. I find that if I take the time and effort to go to the rock climbing gym for 2-3 hours, I find that a lot more fulfilling and rewarding than had I played video games for literally the entire day off. And I like video games. But this topic isn't about making your time outside of work efficient. It's about the standard 40 hour work week being unnecessary, inefficient, and antiquated. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905143444] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlameAnesthesia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>"I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad."</quote> But with that line of reasoning all work is bad for our health and we just shouldn't work! Yeah the 40 hour work week is arbitrary. But if you've ever worked more then that and still had to do meet all your adult responsibilities, the way you adapt forces you to be more judicious and meaningful with your free time. And then after that, when you have chiller hours, you realize just how much you were wasting doing absolutely nothing of value. It's literal laziness. If you feel 40 hour work week is "too much", then be more efficient with your time off. Don't spend 6 hours lurking CE. Make a checklist. Run through all your chores as soon as possible. Do something meaningful with the rest of the time. I find that if I take the time and effort to go to the rock climbing gym for 2-3 hours, I find that a lot more fulfilling and rewarding than had I played video games for literally the entire day off. And I like video games.</quote> But this topic isn't about making your time outside of work efficient. It's about the standard 40 hour work week being unnecessary, inefficient, and antiquated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
donkeyjack 07/15/18 9:19:33 PM #92:	Fuparulez posted... I agree. I work two jobs and do 55-65 hour weeks, because I like money. I'd be pissed if I only had a 40 hour income. Then again I also really enjoy my work and a 12 hour day goes by quickly. Start your own business you are killing yourself. --- https://imgur.com/ZUoAQPz https://imgur.com/bBmVbul <cite>donkeyjack posted [p:905143550] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>I agree. I work two jobs and do 55-65 hour weeks, because I like money. I'd be pissed if I only had a 40 hour income. Then again I also really enjoy my work and a 12 hour day goes by quickly.</quote> Start your own business you are killing yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 07/15/18 9:22:06 PM #93:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... BlameAnesthesia posted... RchHomieQuanChi posted... "I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad." But with that line of reasoning all work is bad for our health and we just shouldn't work! Yeah the 40 hour work week is arbitrary. But if you've ever worked more then that and still had to do meet all your adult responsibilities, the way you adapt forces you to be more judicious and meaningful with your free time. And then after that, when you have chiller hours, you realize just how much you were wasting doing absolutely nothing of value. It's literal laziness. If you feel 40 hour work week is "too much", then be more efficient with your time off. Don't spend 6 hours lurking CE. Make a checklist. Run through all your chores as soon as possible. Do something meaningful with the rest of the time. I find that if I take the time and effort to go to the rock climbing gym for 2-3 hours, I find that a lot more fulfilling and rewarding than had I played video games for literally the entire day off. And I like video games. But this topic isn't about making your time outside of work efficient. It's about the standard 40 hour work week being unnecessary, inefficient, and antiquated. Then you need to make the topic about how we define the work -> compensation relationship and how that relates to making a livable wage, because as youve yet to address by applying P4P to every job youre either overpaying someone anyway or youre forcing them to take several jobs, which surprise surprise is not only 40+ hours but is an even more deplorable option than just working 40 at one job. --- we are forced to subsidize views we may not agree with. Bond_543 In response to NPR tweeting the Declaration of Independence <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:905143714] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlameAnesthesia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>"I have cancer, so diabetes isn't bad."</quote> But with that line of reasoning all work is bad for our health and we just shouldn't work! Yeah the 40 hour work week is arbitrary. But if you've ever worked more then that and still had to do meet all your adult responsibilities, the way you adapt forces you to be more judicious and meaningful with your free time. And then after that, when you have chiller hours, you realize just how much you were wasting doing absolutely nothing of value. It's literal laziness. If you feel 40 hour work week is "too much", then be more efficient with your time off. Don't spend 6 hours lurking CE. Make a checklist. Run through all your chores as soon as possible. Do something meaningful with the rest of the time. I find that if I take the time and effort to go to the rock climbing gym for 2-3 hours, I find that a lot more fulfilling and rewarding than had I played video games for literally the entire day off. And I like video games.</quote> But this topic isn't about making your time outside of work efficient. It's about the standard 40 hour work week being unnecessary, inefficient, and antiquated.</quote> Then you need to make the topic about how we define the work -> compensation relationship and how that relates to making a livable wage, because as youve yet to address by applying P4P to every job youre either overpaying someone anyway or youre forcing them to take several jobs, which surprise surprise is not only 40+ hours but is an even more deplorable option than just working 40 at one job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrChuckleteeth 07/15/18 9:22:21 PM #94:	It really grinds my gears that I can do my job in 30 hours but I have to stay 40 anyway. Id even take the rest unpaid if I could. <cite>MrChuckleteeth posted [p:905143725] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>It really grinds my gears that I can do my job in 30 hours but I have to stay 40 anyway. Id even take the rest unpaid if I could.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 10:19:42 PM #95:	CommonJoe posted... 1. Then you need to reevaluate. Is the problem them demanding the unreasonable, or is the problem you not delivering work equatable to your wage? If you are an hourly or salaried employee, your wage stays the same regardless of what work you deliver, unless you are a higher up. What are you talking about? Lol CommonJoe posted... I mean, you do realize what youre suggesting means people cannot afford to live right? And even more, in other countries like the previous German example, most people choose to work the 40 anyway. Because you don't seem to understand this: People cannot afford to live because their pay is capped not by the quality of their work, or their efficiency, but simply the amount of hours they stay in the office for. It is unreasonable to demand that people work ridiculous hours just to live paycheck to paycheck, instead of simply paying employees better. If German workers want to show up to work for 40 hours a week, then that's on them. The point is that nobody is threatening to fire them if they choose to work under 40 hours, so long as their job gets done. CommonJoe posted... And people in these types of jobs work 40+ hours anyway because working more = more money. Okay and....? We're talking about efficiency. Someone choosing to work longer because they need more pay has nothing to do with efficiency. CommonJoe posted... In every other job, however, if youre not being incentivized to exceed the min performance than either your company is shit or that minimum is not being defined. Even if I didn't have my disagreements with what you're saying, most companies are shit, if you haven't noticed. And even ignoring that, I'd love to see what these incentives are. CommonJoe posted... Huh, just realized youre pretty much defining the minimum as being a middle of the road employee. Not great, not terrible. Just okay. So I do have to wonder your motivations for getting so uppity over 40 hours? What do you do exactly? Not sure what kind of answer you're expecting. I see a business transaction between employer and employee that is so laughably one-sided in the employer's favor, yet people still stick up for it because that's what they're used to. I think entrepreneurship is the future, because that's where hard work actually pays off. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905147040] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>1. Then you need to reevaluate. Is the problem them demanding the unreasonable, or is the problem you not delivering work equatable to your wage? </quote> If you are an hourly or salaried employee, your wage stays the same regardless of what work you deliver, unless you are a higher up. What are you talking about? Lol <cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, you do realize what youre suggesting means people cannot afford to live right? And even more, in other countries like the previous German example, most people choose to work the 40 anyway. </quote> Because you don't seem to understand this: People cannot afford to live because their pay is capped not by the quality of their work, or their efficiency, but simply the amount of hours they stay in the office for. It is unreasonable to demand that people work ridiculous hours just to live paycheck to paycheck, instead of simply paying employees better. If German workers want to show up to work for 40 hours a week, then that's on them. The point is that nobody is threatening to fire them if they choose to work under 40 hours, so long as their job gets done. <cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>And people in these types of jobs work 40+ hours anyway because working more = more money.</quote> Okay and....? We're talking about efficiency. Someone choosing to work longer because they need more pay has nothing to do with efficiency. <cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>In every other job, however, if youre not being incentivized to exceed the min performance than either your company is shit or that minimum is not being defined.</quote> Even if I didn't have my disagreements with what you're saying, most companies are shit, if you haven't noticed. And even ignoring that, I'd love to see what these incentives are. <cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Huh, just realized youre pretty much defining the minimum as being a middle of the road employee. Not great, not terrible. Just okay. So I do have to wonder your motivations for getting so uppity over 40 hours? What do you do exactly? </quote> Not sure what kind of answer you're expecting. I see a business transaction between employer and employee that is so laughably one-sided in the employer's favor, yet people still stick up for it because that's what they're used to. I think entrepreneurship is the future, because that's where hard work actually pays off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 07/15/18 10:20:42 PM #96:	Hairistotle posted... It's not bad for the corporations. GOAT USERNAME --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:905147117] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>It's not bad for the corporations.</quote> GOAT USERNAME</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 10:45:31 PM #97:	CommonJoe posted... 1. Americans are unhealthy in general. Giving us more time to sit around and do nothing isnt going to make us healthier. And the problem is your entire argument is based off of sweeping generalizations of the American populace. I asked you the question of how does a country influenced by protestants and their work ethic end up with a culture so lazy (according to you), yet you failed to give me anything resembling a straight answer. You've simply come back with more stereotypes, yet no real evidence. If youre stressed at 40 hours youre overworking yourself. Protip: Most Americans are stressed at 40 hours. I guess most are overworking themselves, but how can that be if they're lazy? Your points aren't adding up to me. 3. You get 8-10 hours depending on how much sleep you need. That is plenty of the time, not to mention the additional 40-45 hour weekend. 1 hour to get ready for work 1 hour commute to work 8 hours at work 1 hour at lunch 1 hour commute back home 8-10 hours of sleep You're looking at 18-20 hours alone per day devoted to work, and that's assuming you don't work overtime. So in a typical 40 hour work week structure, you're actually looking at 100 hours per week devoted to either work, going to work, leaving work or getting the energy for work. That's assuming you have the energy to do anything other than sit and relax the minute you get home. The weekend's pretty great though, though you might end up spending half your Saturday or Sunday trying to catch up on chores and errands you couldn't do throughout the week. Please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuymMPp9ITA" data-time=" 2.4 This called overworking, which has nothing to do with how many hours worked. You can be overworked working 20 hours just as much as you can be at 40 or more. This can be just as much the workers fault as the employers. Except overworking yourself for 20 hours still gives you most of the day throughout the week to do really anything. It doesn't result in the severe burnout that overworking yourself for 40+ hours does because you have ample time to restore your energy. I shouldn't have to explain that to you. 2.5 You realize workers fought for this right? Lmao. Actually, what had happened was workers were originally working 70-80 hours a week, then Ford realize how stupid this structure was and instead standardized the 40 hour work week, but agreed to pay employees more. Sound familiar? And btw, if your break is time wasted then youre not really contributing much to your company when you are working, are you? How does this make any sense? --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905148639] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>1. Americans are unhealthy in general. Giving us more time to sit around and do nothing isnt going to make us healthier. </quote> And the problem is your entire argument is based off of sweeping generalizations of the American populace. I asked you the question of how does a country influenced by protestants and their work ethic end up with a culture so lazy (according to you), yet you failed to give me anything resembling a straight answer. You've simply come back with more stereotypes, yet no real evidence. <quote>If youre stressed at 40 hours youre overworking yourself. </quote> Protip: Most Americans are stressed at 40 hours. I guess most are overworking themselves, but how can that be if they're lazy? Your points aren't adding up to me. <quote>3. You get 8-10 hours depending on how much sleep you need. That is plenty of the time, not to mention the additional 40-45 hour weekend.</quote> 1 hour to get ready for work 1 hour commute to work 8 hours at work 1 hour at lunch 1 hour commute back home 8-10 hours of sleep You're looking at 18-20 hours alone per day devoted to work, and that's assuming you don't work overtime. So in a typical 40 hour work week structure, you're actually looking at 100 hours per week devoted to either work, going to work, leaving work or getting the energy for work. That's assuming you have the energy to do anything other than sit and relax the minute you get home. The weekend's pretty great though, though you might end up spending half your Saturday or Sunday trying to catch up on chores and errands you couldn't do throughout the week. Please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuymMPp9ITA" data-time=" <quote>2.4 This called overworking, which has nothing to do with how many hours worked. You can be overworked working 20 hours just as much as you can be at 40 or more. This can be just as much the workers fault as the employers. </quote> Except overworking yourself for 20 hours still gives you most of the day throughout the week to do really anything. It doesn't result in the severe burnout that overworking yourself for 40+ hours does because you have ample time to restore your energy. I shouldn't have to explain that to you. <quote>2.5 You realize workers fought for this right? Lmao.</quote> Actually, what had happened was workers were originally working 70-80 hours a week, then Ford realize how stupid this structure was and instead standardized the 40 hour work week, but agreed to pay employees more. Sound familiar? <quote>And btw, if your break is time wasted then youre not really contributing much to your company when you are working, are you? </quote> How does this make any sense?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/15/18 11:07:16 PM #98:	Imagine trying to clean a room. There's a giant pile of shit in the middle of the room (the 40 hour work week) that would make the most difference if you worked at cleaning that. Instead people tell you to be more efficient with the rest of the room (neatly organize around this giant pile of shit to maximize less space). Do people "waste time"? Perhaps. Doesn't mean we're not spending more time at work than is necessary. We're working the same hours as factory workers from a century ago. This is after a century of the fastest progress in human history. They were able to reduce hours and double pay back then, why not now? How can you not see something wrong with this picture? --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:905149744] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>Imagine trying to clean a room. There's a giant pile of shit in the middle of the room (the 40 hour work week) that would make the most difference if you worked at cleaning that. Instead people tell you to be more efficient with the rest of the room (neatly organize around this giant pile of shit to maximize less space). Do people "waste time"? Perhaps. Doesn't mean we're not spending more time at work than is necessary. We're working the same hours as factory workers from a century ago. This is after a century of the fastest progress in human history. They were able to reduce hours and double pay back then, why not now? How can you not see something wrong with this picture?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/15/18 11:15:58 PM #99:	1337toothbrush posted... Imagine trying to clean a room. There's a giant pile of shit in the middle of the room (the 40 hour work week) that would make the most difference if you worked at cleaning that. Instead people tell you to be more efficient with the rest of the room (neatly organize around this giant pile of shit to maximize less space). Do people "waste time"? Perhaps. Doesn't mean we're not spending more time at work than is necessary. We're working the same hours as factory workers from a century ago. This is after a century of the fastest progress in human history. They were able to reduce hours and double pay back then, why not now? How can you not see something wrong with this picture? Great point. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:905150178] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine trying to clean a room. There's a giant pile of shit in the middle of the room (the 40 hour work week) that would make the most difference if you worked at cleaning that. Instead people tell you to be more efficient with the rest of the room (neatly organize around this giant pile of shit to maximize less space). Do people "waste time"? Perhaps. Doesn't mean we're not spending more time at work than is necessary. We're working the same hours as factory workers from a century ago. This is after a century of the fastest progress in human history. They were able to reduce hours and double pay back then, why not now? How can you not see something wrong with this picture?</quote> Great point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JfAtS1O3N 07/15/18 11:16:04 PM #100:	The 40 hour work week can be tough but isn't all that bad, maybe a little less would work out better, but I think the real antiquated thing about work schedules is how rigid they are in an office type setting. It would be a lot better if you had more flexibility in your work hours, like working later in the day if you want, or working 10+ hours in a couple days and only working 5-6 in others. But a lot of management types have a "what is anything besides a 8-5 job?" mindset. Another thing.....most 9-5 jobs are really 8-5 jobs cause a lot of them require you take a one hour lunch unless you're salaried. I know a one hour lunch isn't really "work", but its another hour away from home which adds up over the long haul. --- http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsS/69761-7922.jpg <cite>JfAtS1O3N posted [p:905150186] in The 40 hou... [t:76809729]...</cite> <quote>The 40 hour work week can be tough but isn't all that bad, maybe a little less would work out better, but I think the real antiquated thing about work schedules is how rigid they are in an office type setting. It would be a lot better if you had more flexibility in your work hours, like working later in the day if you want, or working 10+ hours in a couple days and only working 5-6 in others. But a lot of management types have a "what is anything besides a 8-5 job?" mindset. Another thing.....most 9-5 jobs are really 8-5 jobs cause a lot of them require you take a one hour lunch unless you're salaried. I know a one hour lunch isn't really "work", but its another hour away from home which adds up over the long haul.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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