Current Events > Why is socialism so prelevant amongst the unemployed and the uneducated?

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southcoast09 posted...

Our healthcare truly is horrible, but only thanks to the obama administration trying their damndest to instill socialism. You actually just made an excellent point for me. Our healthcare system is a shining example of why the socialist approach literally doesnt work for anything in our society.

You can't just "Shove Socialism" into the US like Obama tried to do, it literally pissed off the middle class and screwed us over.

I have a solution for Nationalized Health Insurance and SEVERE regulations on Big Pharama / Hospitals.

It's going to take some serious political movement / support, but that's the only solution I can think of.

Treating Nationalized Health Insurance like a National Utility where we the citizenry are involved and work together to have the largest lever to drag down prices of Medicine, Procedures, etc.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

but that's the only solution I can think of

VA for Everyone.

southcoast09 posted...

These people make $250-300/hr here. The police regularly say so.

I think everybody should collectively agree to "REFUSE to give $".

If they're hungry, you can buy them food.

Otherwise, don't enable them.

Force them to get a real job.

If they still refuse, then that's on them.
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I show a distinct lack of understanding of Politics and have a clear bias against those who think differently than I do. Let me make a stupid generalization of those who support something that I do not, despite the fact that many, many people who worked, and still work, harder than I do hold those same ideals.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

VA for Everyone.

My solution is beyond the VA.

It would involve down-sizing / reduce the VA's scope along with Medi-caid / Medicare Insurance and roll it all into one Nationalized Health Insurance.
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southcoast09 posted...

Capitalism is the reason that we all have computers and phones. Its the reason we have cars

No. Labor is.
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QueenCarly posted...

No. Labor is.

It's a bit of both actually.

It's Capitalism + Labor + desire for profit / innovation.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

QueenCarly posted...

No. Labor is.

It's a bit of both actually.

It's Capitalism + Labor + desire for profit / innovation.

Scientific progress blossomed in the USSR so it doesn't have anything to do with capitalism or a desire for profit
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QueenCarly posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

QueenCarly posted...

No. Labor is.

It's a bit of both actually.

It's Capitalism + Labor + desire for profit / innovation.

Scientific progress blossomed in the USSR so it doesn't have anything to do with capitalism or a desire for profit

A dictator can still.dictate that science be done.
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gunplagirl posted...

southcoast09 posted...

Metro2 posted...

Theyve amassed student loans for years and years and they feel entitled to not have to pay back what they borrowed, as adults.

Nordic/Scandinavian citizens get higher education for free. Would you call them entitled?

Its not comparable. The people took loans and wanted to default. Free college isnt the question, because they never said, free college after everybody pays what they owe. The issue is who gets screwed over? Does the government print some money to give to the agencies who granted the student loans or do the banks and lending agencies pick up the bill for a bunch of liberal arts degrees?

You mean the predatory companies that work through the government and make it so even if you pay ahead on your loan every month, you'll probably be on the hook for 10+ years and pay 230% what you originally took out?

It's one of the most profitable industries in our country and it's only really an industry in our country for a reason. It's also related to why universities are raising tuition prices without paying professors more or improving student services. There's also how many millions of accounts in default for how many trillions of dollars yet the businesses can remain operating?

You can skew it any way you want; adults borrowed money from other adults.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

southcoast09 posted...

Does the government print some money to give to the agencies who granted the student loans or do the banks and lending agencies pick up the bill for a bunch of liberal arts degrees?

That's why governments should never ever be in the business of funding ANY liberal arts degrees.

Unless it has a practical job application that has a significant or important job market today, it shouldn't be funded.

I completely agree. There are too many career students who have no intention of going anywhere.
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CommonJoe posted...

As an actual homeless person, i voice my agreement with @southcoast09

Most homeless are worthless garbage people.

I meant honeless as in the culture, as opposed to people who are in between homes. Basically, the people Im talking about at the ones who embrace homelessness
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southcoast09 posted...

I meant honeless as in the culture, as opposed to people who are in between homes. Basically, the people Im talking about at the ones who embrace homelessness

So you mean the type of folks who have $ / jobs, but don't want a home?
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I support government programs that are founded on the principals of "socialism", like universal health care and whatnot.

Trying to run an entire country on nothing but socialism doesn't really work. Goes against human nature.
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BettyWhite posted...

Actually... It seems like most of them are educated.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

southcoast09 posted...

I meant honeless as in the culture, as opposed to people who are in between homes. Basically, the people Im talking about at the ones who embrace homelessness

So you mean the type of folks who have $ / jobs, but don't want a home?

He means the ones that dont have either and dont want either. Van living isnt a bad way to live.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I support government programs that are founded on the principals of "socialism", like universal health care and whatnot.

Trying to run an entire country on nothing but socialism doesn't really work. Goes against human nature.

Driving vehicles, eating food transported from halfway across the world via airplane or boat, and using electronic devices also go against nature.
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what is the anti-socialist response to the following argument?

1) not everyone in society can be a winner
2) even if everyone were a winner, some would need to accept lower-rung jobs for society to function
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3) there needs to be a political platform that supports people who take lower rung jobs

supplement: there are some hidden premises but this is the basic version of the argument
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The lame (unemployed/uneducated) are desperate for an easy way out.

They think of socialism as free stuff.

What they don't realize is that it would cost their freedoms and choices.

You'd pray that you would get assigned an easy job and hope you get soup scooped from the bottom.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas
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southcoast09 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

southcoast09 posted...

One thing that needs to be changed in the United States, and the western world in general, is the narrative that capitalism is somehow bad.

Capitalism is the reason that we all have computers and phones. Its the reason we have cars. Its why we choose our own clothes in the morning and decide how much money to save for a vacation.

Capitalism is the reason that we are communicating, right now. Its the reason that our people have the freedom to work hard and save money for the next generation. Its the reason that we can motivate ourselves to set goals, which causes a nation to give 120%. Communist and socialist nations have no incentive to move forward or to give anything more than 80% at work.

Thats why the United States of America is the best country on the entire planet.

I mean if you want to ignore that technology was improved for improving society or accomplishing feats like printing press or all those computer improvements for the space race.

And it makes assumptions about socialism that are genuinely false like the lack of incentive to work when clearly people worked hard prior to the advent of capitalism.

And it ignores that most people in america literally cannot afford to take their vacation days unless they're paid days off.

And it says america is the greatest nation on the planet when we are only best in military spending and wealth inequality. We lose by at least a dozen spots in healthcare, combating homelessness, combating hunger, education, equal rights for (minorities, women, lgbtq).

Our healthcare truly is horrible, but only thanks to the obama administration trying their damndest to instill socialism. You actually just made an excellent point for me. Our healthcare system is a shining example of why the socialist approach literally doesnt work for anything in our society.

Homelessness is not something that greatly concerns me. Im sorry that it sounds harsh, but the reality is that the people who choose to sleep on the streets are doing so because they are hiding. They dont want to go to the shelters because they want to see everybodys ID. Our homeless population has become a homeless culture and it invites transients. Drifters.

Yeah, I honestly have no compassion for them. Heres a sobering fact: financial trouble is not usually what puts people on the street. I know Hoth knows what I mean. Many of them are violent criminals who are just hopping from city to city.

The best friend I ever had was raped and murdered by a transient. Every time I see these people, sets me off. I really wish the local cops would arrest them when people call. When I see somebody sleeping in public in daylight, it makes me want to shake them awake. These people make $250-300/hr here. The police regularly say so.

Can confirm all of this. Have talked to many, many homeless people in a previous line of work. Most of them are no good pieces of shit who reject a traditional life of paying bills and having running water and a tooth brush and live off government benefits and others kindness (stupidity?) to go on a bender every single day and check into the hospital for chest pains when they get tired or hungry.
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Something that annoys me about neoliberals is that they care way more about the homeless than working class and the middle class that struggles to find affordable housing. That's why I keep hearing neoliberals talk about how great it would be to provide free housing for homeless people.

Use that money instead to help people who actually work for a living, thanks.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Something that annoys me about neoliberals is that they care way more about the homeless than working class and the middle class that struggles to find affordable housing. That's why I keep hearing neoliberals talk about how great it would be to provide free housing for homeless people.

Use that money instead to help people who actually work for a living, thanks.

If you're going to try to make up a word, google it first.

Neoliberalism
noun
a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Something that annoys me about neoliberals is that they care way more about the homeless than working class and the middle class that struggles to find affordable housing. That's why I keep hearing neoliberals talk about how great it would be to provide free housing for homeless people.

Use that money instead to help people who actually work for a living, thanks.

If you're going to try to make up a word, google it first.

Neoliberalism
noun
a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.

You're being ridiculous. I post on /r/neoliberal and I follow a number of prominent neoliberals on twitter who blab about this idea all the time.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Something that annoys me about neoliberals is that they care way more about the homeless than working class and the middle class that struggles to find affordable housing. That's why I keep hearing neoliberals talk about how great it would be to provide free housing for homeless people.

Use that money instead to help people who actually work for a living, thanks.

Blame NIMBYs and zoning boards.

Let's say, though, we do give a homeless guy a house. Unless something is done to address why he became homeless, chances are pretty good he will end up becoming so again.

Sativa_Rose posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Something that annoys me about neoliberals is that they care way more about the homeless than working class and the middle class that struggles to find affordable housing. That's why I keep hearing neoliberals talk about how great it would be to provide free housing for homeless people.

Use that money instead to help people who actually work for a living, thanks.

If you're going to try to make up a word, google it first.

Neoliberalism
noun
a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.

You're being ridiculous. I post on /r/neoliberal and I follow a number of prominent neoliberals on twitter who blab about this idea all the time.

Prominent my ass.
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The same reason anti-socialism is so prelevant amongst the unemployed and the uneducated.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Something that annoys me about neoliberals is that they care way more about the homeless than working class and the middle class that struggles to find affordable housing. That's why I keep hearing neoliberals talk about how great it would be to provide free housing for homeless people.

Use that money instead to help people who actually work for a living, thanks.

Blame NIMBYs and zoning boards.

Let's say, though, we do give a homeless guy a house. Unless something is done to address why he became homeless, chances are pretty good he will end up becoming so again.

Agreed, and neoliberals do hate NIMBYs and zoning boards too btw. That's something I agree with them on.

Webmaster4531 posted...

Prominent my ass.

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion

He loves the idea and he's one of the most prominent neoliberals period.
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southcoast09 posted...

One thing that needs to be changed in the United States, and the western world in general, is the narrative that capitalism is somehow bad.

Capitalism is the reason that we all have computers and phones. Its the reason we have cars. Its why we choose our own clothes in the morning and decide how much money to save for a vacation.

Capitalism is the reason that we are communicating, right now. Its the reason that our people have the freedom to work hard and save money for the next generation. Its the reason that we can motivate ourselves to set goals, which causes a nation to give 120%. Communist and socialist nations have no incentive to move forward or to give anything more than 80% at work.

Thats why the United States of America is the best country on the entire planet.

Actually I would say that science is more foundational to the reason we have these things rather than capitalism. Capitalism comes after curious people figure out how the universe around us works. So we should stop electing people who belittle the most core foundation of the modern world. Derp.

Also, it's not hard to find on the Internet that the uneducated support the extreme right and Trump more than they support democratic socialists like Bernie. Not only do the educated favor Bernie more, but all the other developed countries around the world practice a greater degree of socialism than we currently have in our collapsing economy. Also, younger people tend to support social democracy more, and this also speaks to education level, because as knowledge and information grows, so then must education. Younger people learn more things and more about how these things work, because we keep advancing our understanding. So, millennials' education is much better than the average boomer's.

Sure, capitalism is necessary, and competition from said capitalism is necessary. But you must realize that there is a sweet spot to obtain. There is a sweet spot for competition, innovation, and so on. It's possible to drive people to compete so much that it's just bad for everyone. Right now there are too many monopolies. 'Free market' for a lot of people on the right is actually 'unregulated market' which basically allows companies with tons of money (who are already buying politicians and tax breaks/loopholes) to excise competition, and thus subvert innovation you fucking dumbass lunatic motha fuckin bitch ass hoe.

Oh, you dont have to get so angry. I saw your topic about southcoast is so stupid

I guess I really get to you.
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