Current Events > Would Castlevania SotN still be a good game without RPG elements?

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Yes.
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It would be more the old style Castlevania games.

And those sucked
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BlueJester007 posted...

It would be more the old style Castlevania games.

And those sucked

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Gafemage posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

It would be more the old style Castlevania games.

And those sucked

Close your account

Music was good though. Got to give them that.
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BlueJester007 posted...

Gafemage posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

It would be more the old style Castlevania games.

And those sucked

Close your account

Music was good though. Got to give them that.

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Yeah the rpg stuff... its fluff. The armor would be cut too. Just leave the capes for style.
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Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding what I meant by taking away the RPG elements.

No EXP/LVL up
No Item drops
No Gold
No Equipment what so ever
No MP gauge
No Store
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Veggeta X posted...

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding what I meant by taking away the RPG elements.

No EXP/LVL up
No Item drops
No Gold
No Equipment what so ever
No MP gauge
No Store

Oh, so theres just no game at all then.
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Veggeta X posted...

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding what I meant by taking away the RPG elements.

No EXP/LVL up
No Item drops
No Gold
No Equipment what so ever
No MP gauge
No Store

So Richter Mode. Which is also fun in that game.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding what I meant by taking away the RPG elements.

No EXP/LVL up
No Item drops
No Gold
No Equipment what so ever
No MP gauge
No Store

So Richter Mode. Which is also fun in that game.

Even Richter Mode wouldnt be there as he needs Hearts for his abilities: No Item Drops
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Veggeta X posted...

No Equipment what so ever

What metroidvania has ever done that?

BlueJester007 posted...

Oh, so theres just no game at all then.

There's still the "exploration" aspect of it. I wonder if that'll be enough to still be good, though.
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CapnMuffin posted...

So Richter Mode. Which is also fun in that game.

You're saying that a lone Richter mode is enough to make the game as great as it is?
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Questionmarktarius posted...

What metroidvania has ever done that?

I take that back. No equipment on the level of an RPG element. You're equipment is highly limited.
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Veggeta X posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

Oh, so theres just no game at all then.

There's still the "exploration" aspect of it. I wonder if that'll be enough to still be good, though.

I mean the game would have to be made incredibly shorter as the combat would get old fast, and half the fun in SoTN is just getting to new areas and destroying the enemies with your new weapons.
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BlueJester007 posted...

I mean the game would have to be made incredibly shorter as the combat would get old fast, and half the fun in SoTN is just getting to new areas and destroying the enemies with your new weapons.

But the game is very atmospheric and the bosses have some entertaining gimmicks. Would that help?
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BlueJester007 posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Yeah I don't think you guys are understanding what I meant by taking away the RPG elements.

No EXP/LVL up
No Item drops
No Gold
No Equipment what so ever
No MP gauge
No Store

So Richter Mode. Which is also fun in that game.

Even Richter Mode wouldnt be there as he needs Hearts for his abilities: No Item Drops

Thats odd. Ammo isnt an rpg element. Hearts health and gold are a Vania staple. But if you are arbitrarily removing hearts then I guess it would still be a good game, just with slightly more boring combat?
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Hearts will still be there. Ammo type will still be there. Just no MP or magic(No Soul Steal). And Gold was more for points and scores. No gold as in RPG elements meaning you can't shop.
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Veggeta X posted...

But the game is very atmospheric and the bosses have some entertaining gimmicks. Would that help?

Not really. Replayability would be out the window. This is sounding more and more like a game you would watch someones stream of then anything else.
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Circle Of The Moon was lighter on the RPG stuff and it was good
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Cutting out the RPG elements, taking the Saturn version, and making all the playable characters swappable during play would turn it into basically a high def version of that Bloodstained game
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Veggeta X posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

What metroidvania has ever done that?

I take that back. No equipment on the level of an RPG element. You're equipment is highly limited.

So... no Ring of Varda?
If we ban 'drops' and use the stuff that's laying around, wouldn't that still leave Shield Rod shenanigans intact?

kuwab0 posted...

Circle Of The Moon was lighter on the RPG stuff and it was good

I think you mean better.
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DoomsSD posted...

DS vanias with the level 1 cap modes were a good example of how you could cut out the grindier RPG elements of the game and still have a good balance of fun and challenging.

Grinding enemy skill was more than half the fun bro.....
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YoungMutual posted...

kuwab0 posted...

Circle Of The Moon was lighter on the RPG stuff and it was good

I think you mean better.

The entire economy was based on random drops, though. The divine grace of RNGesus can make or ruin a run.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If we ban 'drops' and use the stuff that's laying around, wouldn't that still leave Shield Rod shenanigans intact?

Nope. The only drops are shit to refill your ammo and HP. Think of it as Super Metroid.
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Nah. The RPG elements are the main reason I like the GBA/DS Castlevanias and SotN, and not the NES/SNES ones.

Veggeta X posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

If we ban 'drops' and use the stuff that's laying around, wouldn't that still leave Shield Rod shenanigans intact?

Nope. The only drops are shit to refill your ammo and HP. Think of it as Super Metroid.

But Super Metroid had different beams and suits which would be the equivalent of weapon drops and armor in SotN.
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Veggeta X posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

If we ban 'drops' and use the stuff that's laying around, wouldn't that still leave Shield Rod shenanigans intact?

Nope. The only drops are shit to refill your ammo and HP. Think of it as Super Metroid.

I seem to recall Shield Rod and several shields as things that are just laying around in rooms, waiting to be collected, just like Super Metroid.

BlueJester007 posted...

But Super Metroid had different beams and suits which would be the equivalent of weapon drops and armor in SotN.

See above.

BlueJester007 posted...

But Super Metroid had different beams and suits which would be the equivalent of weapon drops and armor in SotN.

SM have like 4 different type of beams. So in SotN you'll get to use a whip, sword, axe and something else. Limited equipment as I stated before and nothing like variable to a real actual RPG.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I seem to recall Shield Rod and several shields as things that are just laying around in rooms, waiting to be collected, just like Super Metroid.

Super Metroid had that must customization kin to an actual RPG?
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Questionmarktarius posted...

See above.

Yeah. Im agreeing with you.

Super Metroid would be very dull without the power ups as most of them are just laying around in rooms.
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Veggeta X posted...

Super Metroid had that must customization kin to an actual RPG?

You can turn equipment off and on pretty much at will, which only really differs in scope and (visible) numbers from typical RPG equipment.

BlueJester007 posted...

Super Metroid would be very dull without the power ups as most of them are just laying around in rooms.

I can't think of any that aren't just laying around, give or take a bossfight being in the way.

It would still be good IMO, but not as classic as it is considered.
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Veggeta X posted...

SM have like 4 different type of beams. So in SotN you'll get to use a whip, sword, axe and something else. Limited equipment as I stated before and nothing like variable to a real actual RPG.

The game would still have to be way shorter in order to keep things from becoming stale.

Probably no Inverted Castle.

Either that, or the enemies would have to be incredibly varied, encouraging constant different weapon use.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

You can turn equipment off and on pretty much at will, which only really differs in scope and (visible) numbers from typical RPG equipment.

So you're really justifying there's a good amount of customization for Super Metroid. I just wanna make sure.
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BlueJester007 posted...

Veggeta X posted...

SM have like 4 different type of beams. So in SotN you'll get to use a whip, sword, axe and something else. Limited equipment as I stated before and nothing like variable to a real actual RPG.

The game would still have to be way shorter in order to keep things from becoming stale.

Probably no Inverted Castle.

Either that, or the enemies would have to be incredibly varied, encouraging constant different weapon use.

It will have everything the same, just no RPG elements.
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Yeah, no. That would suck.
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BlueJester007 posted...

Yeah, no. That would suck.

I dunno why you guys were trying so hard to add some sort of RPG element into what I was saying. That itself says more than enough on how you guys really feel about the game.
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Veggeta X posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

Yeah, no. That would suck.

I dunno why you guys were trying so hard to add some sort of RPG element into what I was saying. That itself says more than enough on how you guys really feel about the game.

Like I said, there needs to be a game to it. Hence:

BlueJester007 posted...

Oh, so theres just no game at all then.

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Veggeta X posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

You can turn equipment off and on pretty much at will, which only really differs in scope and (visible) numbers from typical RPG equipment.

So you're really justifying there's a good amount of customization for Super Metroid. I just wanna make sure.

There's a serviceable amount.
You've got five available guns instead of about four dozen, for example.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/7/73/Super_Metroid_Inventory_Screen.png/revision/latest?cb=20070715180017

BlueJester007 posted...

Probably no Inverted Castle.

Just getting the glasses and the two rings would probably be adequate.

BlueJester007 posted...

Like I said, there needs to be a game to it. Hence:

There is. Customization is very limited, nothing close to a real RPG.
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Wait a minute: wouldnt you be stuck going through the whole game with just your fists since Death takes everything away from you in the beginning.

Oh God. That would be so damn slow. I cant imagine fighting Galamoth with just the fists. The fight would go on for so long.
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You know how in Metroid Fusion Samus starts barebones?
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BlueJester007 posted...

Wait a minute: wouldnt you be stuck going through the whole game with just your fists since Death takes everything away from you in the beginning.

Oh God. That would be so damn slow. I cant imagine fighting Galamoth with just the fists. The fight would go on for so long.

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/castlevsn/map.shtml
Huh. Looks like the first available weapon would be Jewel Knuckle, if you know the trick to get it. Otherwise a gladius, right after punching the doppleganger to death.

Presumably, there'd be a 'pity' weapon laying on the floor soon after Death, in a hypotheical dropless SOTN.

Samus don't find a wide variable death weapons laying around everywhere in her world ya know.
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