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Kelystic posted...

press O for flashbacks

all right let me just do that on a video
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The Laughing Octopus fight is really good btw.
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Anyone else hate Vamp?
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nani the fuck

Night vision kinda breaks this fight.

Laughing Octopus doesn't really seem to fight back, either.

No boss theme is disappointing, as I really liked the ones from the other games.

Looks like there's no more quick reload, which is disappointing.

...that's it? Why do the B&Bs think that killing Snake will fix their pain, anyway?

Drebin was right about the B&Bs being babes though tbh

Oh good, that isn't the end of the fight.

And she can strafe, apparently. Huh.

Did they actually give alternative death scenes for nonlethal victories this time?

Damn, they are cramming in these ass shots.

Well that's a depressing backstory.

I'm glad Raiden's grown as a character so much. Instead of growing up to be nothing more than a soldier who exists to fight wars, he's nothing more than a soldier who exists to fight wars.

Cool, actual hunting gameplay.

wait why are we flashing back to the codec conversations that raiden had with the ai colonel, snake never encountered any of this

I don't get why Snake EVER deactivates the OctoCamo. It can only hurt him.

Vamp's poor forehead, geez.

Let's get real here, Snake should be dead.

Again, I'm impressed that Drebin isn't a complete side character.

Man, this is some great stealth gameplay, let me tell you.

Seems very un-tank-like to put the gunner on the outside of the tank instead of the inside.

That is the flimsiest tank of all time.

Hold up, THAT'S Raiden? God damn, he got a lot more badass.

Gekkos are definitely bleeding and showing flesh wounds. Is this ever explained?

Regardless, this action is fantastic. Love the foot sword.

Gotta ask, though, what's the series' obsession with cyborg ninjas?

Vamp's still got the crotch knife. Good to know.

How the fuck is Raiden not dead?

PFFT WHAT HOW THE FUCK IS HE SWINGING THOSE AROUND BY BREAKDANCING

I think this is the first time the series has gotten me to laugh out loud at its utter absurdity.

This entire sequence is so utterly insane yet thoroughly entertaining.

Also, if that impaling scene was only filmed from the waist up, it would definitely fit right in on certain porn sites.

Wait, is Vamp dead?

Also, why is Raiden bleeding jizz?

Knew that calling Vamp dead was a stupid thing to do.

Did he seriously just lick Raiden's jizz-blood?

Oh fuck off, why can't Vamp just be immortal?
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On to Act 3, I suppose. As I've heard, this is where the game takes a nosedive.

So Sunny was singing the Fibonacci series before, now she's singing the elements? Why, though?

This interaction's nice, although those eggs are almost certainly going to burn.

Do we have to see Naomi's cleavage at all times?

Is Raiden gone? Also, who's piloting the Nomad?

Well of course they're both different, didn't Naomi already go over this half an hour ago?

Also, why did Solidus have gray hair and obviously look older in MGS2 despite being born later? Shouldn't he be in his prime?

u wot

how the fuck can he be alive

Pfft, Sunny stealing Snake's cigs is pretty good.

The military industrial complex is already sorta losing its morality in the present day.

Why the hell do you need 2 keyboards?

Good, I'm a fan of Europe. This should be entertaining.

lmao taking down his psyche meter because he doesn't get to smoke is pretty good

These desktop wallpapers are pretty cool, too.

"I used to be an anime otaku" 10/10 best line in the series

wait is naomi actually interested in otacon

Pfft, she just pulled him in after he fucked up.
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Garioshi posted...

...that's it? Why do the B&Bs think that killing Snake will fix their pain, anyway?

IIRC, Liquid Ocelot manipulated them into thinking this.

Garioshi posted...

Gekkos are definitely bleeding and showing flesh wounds. Is this ever explained?

Oh, I meant to mention this earlier when you asked about it. Gekkos use organic components in their construction, mostly in the legs.

Garioshi posted...

Oh fuck off, why can't Vamp just be immortal?

This is what annoyed me most about MGS4, so much interesting stuff is handwaved away with nanomachines.

Garioshi posted...

Also, why did Solidus have gray hair and obviously look older in MGS2 despite being born later? Shouldn't he be in his prime?

Same reason Snake is old now, it just hit them at different times. It's also possible that the Patriots engineered Solidus to look older because they knew he'd become President.
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pegusus123456 posted...

IIRC, Liquid Ocelot manipulated them into thinking this.

Sure, why not?
pegusus123456 posted...

Oh, I meant to mention this earlier when you asked about it. Gekkos use organic components in their construction, mostly in the legs.

Ah, gotcha.

pegusus123456 posted...

This is what annoyed me most about MGS4, so much interesting stuff is handwaved away with nanomachines.

Can't wait to see what else gets handwaved.

pegusus123456 posted...

Same reason Snake is old now, it just hit them at different times. It's also possible that the Patriots engineered Solidus to look older because they knew he'd become President.

Makes sense.
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I played through the game three times, and only on the third time did I start to appreciate Act Three (and the rest of the game)
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Ooh, I like the trench coat. Is Snake's hair colored black now? The shaved 'stache is welcome as well.

Ayyy, Meryl's here to save the day!

Ah, FaceCamo. Nice and natural implementation. I like it. Would love to see Snake in a game between 2 and 4, because that's a damn handsome face.

And the US is completely misguided and rushing into danger because they think they have the upper hand. That's never happened before.

Ooh, this place's got a "hardboiled" feel to it, for the lack of a better word. Big fan.

"Signal interceptor", very subtle.

Half of this post is probably going to be me gushing over how fantastic this place looks. The visual effects here are really nice, as well; I love the halation on Snake's face and the lights.

God damn, they are absolutely nailing the feel of this city.

The only criticism I can levy right now is that this segment is taking quite a while without changing much up.
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This is the best non-Raiden action scene so far, to boot. Big fan.

new phone who dis

u wot

is this the sistine chapel

Getting a lot of biblical references here, what's up with that? This building is a church as well...

how the fuck do you know all this

wait wait wait wait wait WHAT

what the fuck do you mean major zero is the founder of the patriots

what kind of sense does that make

Wait, is this EVA?

It's EVA. Good way to tie into MGS3, I suppose. Fitting that this is the third chapter.

Big Boss and EVA met in Vietnam? Is this covered in any game? I'd love to see that.

The final wish of The Boss was to put the world into a state of constant war? I don't think that's what she wanted...

How the fuck did SIGINT and Para-Medic get in on this? How'd they turn around from being their cheerful and upbeat selves in MGS3 to evil masterminds? Zero is the only one I can remotely see doing that.

When did Para-Medic become an expert on genetic cloning? Did I miss this in MGS3? It has been a while, but still...

...That's a lot to take in, Christ.
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Marking spoilers in case this isn't in what OP just watched, but it shouldn't be a surprise given that info dump.

I forget, is that when it reveals that Para-Medic is the one who worked on and was subsequently killed by Grey Fox shortly before MGS1?
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Not gonna read those spoilers yet.
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If he was literally incinerated, I don't think there's a whole lot of him left to be a vegetable.

Good to know that EVA's still a good shot after 40 years.

I know this is just fanservice, but this still feels like it's gonna be really good.

Is that a Scorpion?

Aw, no sidecar?

City still looks beautiful, though.

"Have you tried AIMING the gun?" lmao

This entire sequence is super impressive, especially for a game released 10 years ago.

What did she get impaled on, exactly?
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This is getting a bit too similar to The Fury for my liking.

Again, the game continues to impress me visually.

The fuck is with that accent?

Gotta get those ass shots in, of course. That being said, I'd tap the hell out of that.

Shoot him! He's right there, completely unarmed!

Well, we're fucked, aren't we?

This entire plan will come crashing down in 3... 2... 1...

Okay, that's pretty cool, not gonna lie.

Come on, no seizure warning?

I kinda doubt that 6 submachine guns are actually wreaking this much havoc.

Why is EVA on fire? Why is Big Boss on fire?

Dude, you're doing, like, 40 chest compressions and 2 breaths. You should be doing 20 compressions and 2 breaths.

That's touching.

Damn, Snake got fucked up.

Love how he can move his arm despite the fact that he has a knife firmly lodged in his shoulder.
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Is that the same sequence of words that the Colonel said at the end of MGS2? Also, that's not how eggs work.

Looks like you fucked up, Otacon.

Isn't a total ceasefire a good thing?

Isn't the war economy coming to a complete halt a good thing? Why is Liquid the bad guy here?

Good! Good thing he's destroying the AI that's controlling absolutely everything! Same with Solidus!

Wasn't REX destroyed?

Ooh, are we going back through Shadow Moses? I know it's fanservice, but that sounds fun as hell.

If things can't get any worse, what's the harm in trying?

Snake and Raiden's voices are dryer and rockier than the Sahara Desert.

Snake's face is really fucked up, geez.

Mei Ling is looking good.

Actually, Hawaii IS that far away. It's out in the middle of the Pacific and Alaska's all the way at the northernmost point.

This is also pretty damn good-looking, not gonna lie.

Damn, Shadow Moses looks amazing.

A HIND D? What's a Russian gunship doing here?

They even put the Chaff Grenades in the same place.

Not gonna lie, I actually like the codec conversation callbacks a lot.

So, uh, where are the guards?
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Garioshi posted...

Good! Good thing he's destroying the AI that's controlling absolutely everything! Same with Solidus!

IIRC, one of the issues is that the AI actually does control everything. The Patriots are so entrenched that the AI controls infrastructure on a massive scale. Simply knocking out that control would be catastrophic.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Garioshi posted...

Good! Good thing he's destroying the AI that's controlling absolutely everything! Same with Solidus!

IIRC, one of the issues is that the AI actually does control everything. The Patriots are so entrenched that the AI controls infrastructure on a massive scale. Simply knocking out that control would be catastrophic.

You can't get much worse than the current situation, can you?
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Well, I would imagine that the AI is also controlling every nuclear weapon in at least the US.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Well, I would imagine that the AI is also controlling every nuclear weapon in at least the US.

I suppose, but still.

I lost a bit of my post when a Windows 10 update decided it was going to happen, so I'll pick up from there.
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Garioshi posted...

Because I'm not spending $100+ for a PS3. Just wondering, should I watch only the cutscenes or gameplay as well?

You would literally miss two thirds of the game if you don't watch cutscenes.
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Funnily enough, this debate is pretty much the ending of the first Deus Ex. Do you let an AI or secret group run the world or do you wipe out all technology?
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.....where the fuck are spending 100 dollars on a PS3? PS3s where I live are like 50 bucks, with 1 controller, and MGS4 is like 10 bucks, so 60 at most.... and that's Canadian, I'm sure you can pick it up for way cheaper down in the states.

Can someone tell me why Snake doesn't have the stealth camouflage?

It's SUPER lame that there aren't any guards around. It would do Shadow Moses as much justice as possible, in my opinion.

The idea that a Gekko walked into an elevator, hit the first floor button, and patiently waited is pretty amusing, not gonna lie.

On another note, I just realized that MGS1 stopped being good (gameplay-wise) after Psycho Mantis.

...is Crying Wolf making reference to The Sorrow?

Also, Crying Wolf is a much worse shot than Sniper Wolf. She would, without fail, shoot you down if you got in her sights, no matter what.

Again with the ass shots, Kojima.

Voice actor kinda dropped the ball on this one, not gonna lie.

Otacon is shitposting in real life. That's fantastic. Would also be really cool if MGS4 was a 2-disc game and they made you change the disc there.

Those ravens are a nice touch, not gonna lie.

"My queen"? Huh. Didn't know Vamp was into that sort of thing.

Hold up, "I might be able to get it working?" Oh please get it working, this will be fantastic.

Yooooo, we're actually fighting Vamp? I am down with this.

Yay, we totally killed Vamp just like the last 4 times we killed him!

MY MAN RAIDEN!

That crotch knife never ceases to be disturbing.

I have no shame in admitting that I'm completely ignoring Snake in favor of the Raiden/Vamp duel.

God damn that was epic. Fuck you, Vamp. On another note, how many veins does he have? Surely that's above the normal amount for a human.

...is she crying about Sunny properly cooking eggs?

God damn, the world hates Otacon. Can't help but feel bad for him, and his crying is super genuine. Not gonna lie, I got a little misty.

Man, this is gonna be epic as hell. Raiden and Snake piloting REX, absolutely steamrolling some Gekkos? I'm perfectly okay with this.

NO FUCKING WAY DUDE HOLY SHIT I'M SO HARD RIGHT NOW i mean what

B R O T H E R R R R R R

Get fucked, Liquid. That was amazing.

Holy shit, Raiden and Snake could not be in a worse position right now.

I love Raiden so much right now.

That's an incredibly depressing note to end on.
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Garioshi posted...

God damn, the world hates Otacon

It really, really does.
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Ivany2008 posted...

.....where the fuck are spending 100 dollars on a PS3? PS3s where I live are like 50 bucks, with 1 controller, and MGS4 is like 10 bucks, so 60 at most.... and that's Canadian, I'm sure you can pick it up for way cheaper down in the states.

$80 is the lowest any store I can find is willing to go. I don't know how much MGS4 is, but I'd expect it'd go for at least $20.
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I can't sleep, so fuck it, let's finish it up. I don't need to have the will to live at work today, anyway. Got almost exactly 3 hours to go.
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No eggs this time? Sad.

This is pretty cool, though, not gonna lie. Love Mei Ling's acting.

A worm cluster worked so well last time, I see no flaw with this plan.

I never really noticed how broad Otacon's shoulders were before, but they're stupidly broad.

Snake's really screwed after all of this, huh. Good to see him show some weakness. Against Liquid, he really showed his desperation well.

Geez, he's almost pitiful at this point.

...and that's the end of the briefing? Huh, that was a lot shorter.
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Did they actually give alternative death scenes for nonlethal victories this time?

Uh huh, you can hear them sleeping if you drain their psyche meter.

The ending is still one of my favorite things of all time, especially after playing Peace Walker.
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Apparently the egg thing foreshadows if events are going to be good or not.

Good eggs = favorable events.
Bad = bad.
None = ????
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Garioshi posted...

Ivany2008 posted...

.....where the fuck are spending 100 dollars on a PS3? PS3s where I live are like 50 bucks, with 1 controller, and MGS4 is like 10 bucks, so 60 at most.... and that's Canadian, I'm sure you can pick it up for way cheaper down in the states.

$80 is the lowest any store I can find is willing to go. I don't know how much MGS4 is, but I'd expect it'd go for at least $20.

don't go to a store.... check Kijiji, local Facebook groups for games, and Craigslist. Stores are only in it for making a profit. Once you find someone willing to make the sale, go to their house, or they come to yours, and test everything prior to buying it.

I know its a bit more sketchier, but you save a ton of money by paying attention to those pages. Sometimes you'll find a yard sale where someone is selling a ps3 for 20 or 30 bucks.

Nice reenactment of the opening of MGS2, Drebin. Got me to smile.

Drebin is Rodin from Bayonetta now, apparently.

So why the hell was Johnny not affected by the nanomachine fuckery, anyway? Was he never injected in the first place?

...splat.

Are all of the Outer Haven soldiers female?

Psycho Mantis? You're that ninja...

My man Johnny.

...who just sacrificed himself.

That's a nice quick kill. Good homage to Psycho Mantis as well.
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Apparently Johnny is a guard from Shadow Moses.

How did he live?
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Johnny was a diarrhea joke character that got a bizarrely huge role in MGS4.
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Psycho Mantis? You're that ninja...

This is getting too meta for me.

...why the hell is The Sorrow here?

yeah yeah yeah extremely tragic backstory we get it

how the fuck do you implant psycho mantis into someone's brain

oh right meryl exists

god damn do you guys ever let up

It's full of microwaves? How will Snake ever use them all to cook frozen pizza as efficiently as possible? He's only one man!

Take their guns, Meryl! Come on!

Is Johnny immortal or something?

Yep, just as I thought, no nanomachines.

Meryl, you're kinda being a dick.

This is some pretty great choreography, though, not gonna lie.

You both just got shot in the legs and the only thing you can think about is getting on top of each other while the people who shot you are still standing?

LET'S GO RAIDEN LET'S GO

i just got interrupted by my mom about college things for about 40 minutes but anyway LET'S GO RAIDEN LET'S GO

God damn, the punishment everyone's taking right now is kinda hard to watch.

And Snake looks even more pathetic now.

...is that really just a bunch of The Boss's graves?

Snake is just getting torn down today, Jesus.

what the fuck

Okay, that also got me misty. Sad Otacon makes me sad.

wait where did liquid come from

why are we on top of arsenal gear what the fuck

oh damn this is gonna be good

C Q C T O T H E D E A T H

God damn this is some amazing choreography.

And a reprise of the main theme to boot, too! Can this get any better?

AND WE GET TO PLAY IT, TOO? AND THE MGS1 HEALTH BARS ARE BACK?

guys this is so cool

wait why is he ocelot now

you're pretty good

AND SNAKE EATER TOO GOD I FUCKING LOVE THIS

Still, this is so goddamn cool. I really wish I could've played this game blind instead of having to watch it.

YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD
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When Snake got stimmed back to fighting form and the health bar said "Solid Snake" instead of "Old Snake"

All of my hype
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new phone who dis

oh it's meryl ok

Meryl, do you really have to have your gun on you during your wedding?

Still got those buff arms from MGS, though.

Drebin's such a gentleman tbh

new phone who dis

k e p t y o u w a i t i n g h u h

how the fuck did raiden become un-cyborged and also regain his arms

Rose also doesn't know what a bra is, apparently.

Why would you lie?

What m-ooooooooooooohhhh nice callback to MGS2. Nice. Nice closure for Raiden and Rose, I like it.

Arlington again? What, are you going to salute Ocelot's grave, too?

Well, that's a depressing note to end on.

And Drebin's getting some backstory, that's nice.

I guess that makes some sense.

Drunk Drebin's pretty funny.

seriously though how the hell did this random-ass kid just walk onto an airstrip

All right, THAT got a lump in my throat and made me tear up. That makes 6 games total that have made me cry.

And that's the game! Though I doubt these credits are 40 minutes long, so I'll skip past them.
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Garioshi posted...

And that's the game! Though I doubt these credits are 40 minutes long, so I'll skip past them.

It's not over yet! You should at least watch the voice credits (the first part of the credits), there is something special there.
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"Voice of God: Hideo Kojima" pfft

Big Boss didn't have a single line in the game, did he? And wouldn't he be voiced by David Hayter if it was in the flashbacks?

well those were some short credits

wait what who dis

how the fuck is big boss in this state if he was a fleshy meat sack in act 3

Snake, try to remember some of the basics of CQC.

CQC hug?

Solidus was the fleshy meat sack? Huh.

Big Boss looks way too good to be Frankenstein's Monster.

So let me get this straight: Ocelot was working for Liquid, but in actuality he was working for Solidus, but in actuality he was working for the Patriots, but in actuality he was being controlled by Liquid, but in actuality he underwent psychotherapy to pretend like he was being controlled by Liquid to fool the Patriots because he was actually working against the Patriots because he was working for Big Boss? And on top of that, he was an American NSA codebreaker who defected to the USSR but in reality he was working for the US the whole time, all at the age of 19? How does he keep all of his levels of double-crossing straight?

My computer fans kicked in at their highest speed as I typed that last part out. I don't think even cold, hard technology can comprehend Ocelot.

Zero didn't plant FOXDIE in Snake, though?

See, that's the proper way to homage MGS3.

Dammit, MGS4, you made me tear up again. Good job.

And there are the actual credits. Good game.
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Garioshi posted...

So let me get this straight: Ocelot was working for Liquid, but in actuality he was working for Solidus, but in actuality he was working for the Patriots, but in actuality he was being controlled by Liquid, but in actuality he underwent psychotherapy to pretend like he was being controlled by Liquid to fool the Patriots because he was actually working against the Patriots because he was working for Big Boss? And on top of that, he was an American NSA codebreaker who defected to the USSR but in reality he was working for the US the whole time, all at the age of 19? How does he keep all of his levels of double-crossing straight?

My computer fans kicked in at their highest speed as I typed that last part out. I don't think even cold, hard technology can comprehend Ocelot.

Zero didn't plant FOXDIE in Snake, though?

Lol that sounds about right for Ocelot but I think it can be argued Liquid actually possessed him in MGS2. After MGS2 he removed the arm and replaced it with the metal one that he has in MGS4. I think he underwent the psychotherapy between MGS2 and MGS4.

I think its implied that the whole FOXDIE scheme is a mutation of Zero's will through the Patriots even though Zero didn't actually do it.
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YellowSUV posted...

Lol that sounds about right for Ocelot but I think it can be argued Liquid actually possessed him in MGS2. After MGS2 he removed the arm and replaced it with the metal one that he has in MGS4. I think he underwent the psychotherapy between MGS2 and MGS4.

I think its implied that the whole FOXDIE scheme is a mutation of Zero's will through the Patriots even though Zero didn't actually do it.

I'll accept anything at this point, to be honest.
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If you haven't already, I recommend playing Metal Gear Rising. Its not as bat shit insane as 2 and 4, buts its an interesting story after the events of 4 and and has great gameplay if you like the genre.
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Garioshi posted...

So let me get this straight: Ocelot was working for Liquid, but in actuality he was working for Solidus, but in actuality he was working for the Patriots, but in actuality he was being controlled by Liquid, but in actuality he underwent psychotherapy to pretend like he was being controlled by Liquid to fool the Patriots because he was actually working against the Patriots because he was working for Big Boss? And on top of that, he was an American NSA codebreaker who defected to the USSR but in reality he was working for the US the whole time, all at the age of 19? How does he keep all of his levels of double-crossing straight?

My computer fans kicked in at their highest speed as I typed that last part out. I don't think even cold, hard technology can comprehend Ocelot.

Lol. Nice read. Thanks TC

for Raiden, he still has a cybernetic body, it's just made to look like a normal person's body
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Metal Gear Rising is so fucking good it has no business being canon

But for fuck's sake please play that one
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YellowSUV posted...

If you haven't already, I recommend playing Metal Gear Rising. Its not as bat shit insane as 2 and 4, buts its an interesting story after the events of 4 and and has great gameplay if you like the genre.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Metal Gear Rising is so fucking good it has no business being canon

But for fuck's sake please play that one

I've seen gameplay of it, and it looks fun, but it's $30. Any site have it chaper?
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It can be found as low as $8 at Gamestop so idk where those sites are getting those prices from
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

It can be found as low as $8 at Gamestop so idk where those sites are getting those prices from

Steam?
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To this day I still cant believe I played through that whole game. It was the first time I ever finished a MGS game and I had no idea what was happening the whole time.
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Jiggy101011 posted...

To this day I still cant believe I played through that whole game. It was the first time I ever finished a MGS game and I had no idea what was happening the whole time.

Probably because you started with the 4th game /facepalm.
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