Board 8 > Tiny toon adventures mafia topic 3: the banned episode

(+) Yeah! (+)

i think i had it in my mind when reading over plums list.
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What does it mean to sheep and whats the flip? I had a long day at work and Im brain fried but Im not even going to pretend thats why I feel a million light years behind. I have a lot to learn to even be able to follow these conversations, sigh.

Honestly, Nanas changing last night and confusion about the topic change is really relatable from where Im standing and sounds like an honest mistake. Heck knows I clearly made a ton of those last topic. It makes me honestly feel like he probably just wanted to pin me down because day 1 has a whole lot of lack of evidence and its hard to debate stuff.
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Sheep is following someone around

Flip is when a player dies and their flavor, role and alignment is revealed
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Nanahara715 posted...

MZero11 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Yes, I did not see Tony's link, and tbqh I didn't see it until you told me it was Tony who posted it and I went back to look at it just now.

So when deadline passed you didn't think to like look for a new topic or look 5 posts up to see if you could find a clue as to what happened? Or PM the host?

I mean, it's possible but 1) you were a lynch candidate and 2) you came in and dropped like 4 f-bombs and acted all angry, but like if you cared that much I would think you would make some effort to figure out what was going on!

To you I was a lynch candidate, but to me, I'd just put the fifth vote on Starscream at 10:58 PM and had only 2 votes on me.

Even still I want to know why you made no effort to find out what was going on >_>
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MZero11 posted...

Sheep is following someone around

Flip is when a player dies and their flavor, role and alignment is revealed

Thank you, thats another thing to wanted to ask. Everyone knows what all the secret roles are in basic mafia right? There wasnt a briefing on that, and Im not actually sure. I realize some might be different in this game, especially that bus driver/dizzy thing mentioned.

Im guessing busing means to throw someone under the bus?
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Hosts sometimes make new roles or put a spin on old roles, but basically we know. The reason some people were complaining earlier is because the host didn't clarify what the roles did

Bussing refers to when a scum intentionally lynches or tries to lynch his own teammate, usually to gain the trust of town
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tag

Well we know chris isn't a mafia aligned assassin at least.

Because there aren't any dead scum yet :/
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Before I begin to build my walls I wanted to address these posts that caught my eye whilst I skimmed:

Corrik posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

5tarscream posted...

Im Elmira Duff. Town hugger

TOWN?

BZZZZZTTT

Also...this post struck me as scummy as well.

Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I just think he is pissed off at Alakazam still a bit. Sorry FD not trying to be a jerk and dismiss you but Alakazam is pretty infuriating.

Also is it classic scum moves to go "BZZZT" now? I'd say lean town on that post in a vacuum.

At the very deadline after someone claims a town power making a post to try and seal the lynch? Yeah, I don't buy that.

I feel like people are not understanding the initial post from Tony here. I mean tony has not himself posted to clarify, but MY understanding of his post was the emphasis on the word "Town".

As in "Town" and not "Tinytoon".

5tar was a TINYTOON Hugger (prosty)
Plum was a TINYTOON Dizzy (scrambler)

Neither of them were TOWN anything. And I think that is what Tony was keying in on and that he was under the impression that 5tar made a scumslip by faking to be "TOWN" when there is in fact no "TOWN".

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Now it is possible that the writeups to scum were very specific about targeting and hunting TINYTOONS and that a Scum Tony would have known that there was a different naming convention at play... But off the cuff like that, and in the moment on day 1, I can't see that being the case. Even if a Scum Tony knew about the naming convention I'm not sure he would have used that to cement a day 1 lynch with time winding down such as it was.

And so while Tony was flufftastic day 1, I still can't see that interaction as anything other than a TINYTOON Tony knowing that he was a TINYTOON and wondering why 5tar was claiming TOWN. Because unless I missed it, that was really the first interaction that really addressed the TOWN/TINYTOON naming dynamic.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Before I begin to build my walls I wanted to address these posts that caught my eye whilst I skimmed:

Corrik posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

5tarscream posted...

Im Elmira Duff. Town hugger

TOWN?

BZZZZZTTT

Also...this post struck me as scummy as well.

Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I just think he is pissed off at Alakazam still a bit. Sorry FD not trying to be a jerk and dismiss you but Alakazam is pretty infuriating.

Also is it classic scum moves to go "BZZZT" now? I'd say lean town on that post in a vacuum.

At the very deadline after someone claims a town power making a post to try and seal the lynch? Yeah, I don't buy that.

I feel like people are not understanding the initial post from Tony here. I mean tony has not himself posted to clarify, but MY understanding of his post was the emphasis on the word "Town".

As in "Town" and not "Tinytoon".

5tar was a TINYTOON Hugger (prosty)
Plum was a TINYTOON Dizzy (scrambler)

Neither of them were TOWN anything. And I think that is what Tony was keying in on and that he was under the impression that 5tar made a scumslip by faking to be "TOWN" when there is in fact no "TOWN".

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Now it is possible that the writeups to scum were very specific about targeting and hunting TINYTOONS and that a Scum Tony would have known that there was a different naming convention at play... But off the cuff like that, and in the moment on day 1, I can't see that being the case. Even if a Scum Tony knew about the naming convention I'm not sure he would have used that to cement a day 1 lynch with time winding down such as it was.

And so while Tony was flufftastic day 1, I still can't see that interaction as anything other than a TINYTOON Tony knowing that he was a TINYTOON and wondering why 5tar was claiming TOWN. Because unless I missed it, that was really the first interaction that really addressed the TOWN/TINYTOON naming dynamic.

At least you understood what I was saying and completely took it in the opposite direction.
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The only other explanation is that a Scum Tony was savvy enough to use the naming convention against 5tar with scant minutes left in the day to seal a mislynch?

I just don't see it that way. But again it's my understanding that this issue hadn't really come up yet at this point. So if there was a detailed conversation about it that I missed then that could change how I feel about it.
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For the record, if anyone ever tried to lynch me on naming convention I'd tell you that you were an idiot because I was will always refer to factions as town/scum or some close common variation thereof.
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Minor complaint but I really wish the host would ping everyone when the day starts.

In any case, I want to post some thoughts before I pass out.

Blade-I really didnt like my interaction with him yesterday. He lied to make an argument against me and when it held no water he said oh hes town and then moved on.

Alakazam-idk what it is with you guys but it seems like Alakazam has to take a shit on the floor for you to think hes scum. Giving him the Alakazam pass is foolish but maybe Im overthinking it.

FA/Nana-I feel like of these two is scum. Nana was on FA like salt on Ulti yesterday and was just so hyper aggressive for noob things and it just struck me the wrong way.

I double checked my role PM and it says tiny room as well but Im town, which leads me to...

Tony-Making such a big deal about TOWN seems odd, but starscream was town/tinytoon, sooo...



I DONT LIKE IT

##vote:Tony

Still interested in red's response to a "kill was nullified" to "I am suspicious of chris and/or blade because they are still alive."

Those two statements do not add up.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I feel like people are not understanding the initial post from Tony here. I mean tony has not himself posted to clarify, but MY understanding of his post was the emphasis on the word "Town".

As in "Town" and not "Tinytoon".

5tar was a TINYTOON Hugger (prosty)
Plum was a TINYTOON Dizzy (scrambler)

Neither of them were TOWN anything. And I think that is what Tony was keying in on and that he was under the impression that 5tar made a scumslip by faking to be "TOWN" when there is in fact no "TOWN".

Idk it seems like a scummy thing to do to try and lynch someone on that. It's not unusual to claim TOWN instead of whatever the flavor name for the faction is because it's the default. It's a big reach and actually you bringing this up makes me like it less!

Also scum can have the host write flavor for fakeclaims so it wouldn't be surprising if they knew the faction name
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MZero11 posted...

Idk it seems like a scummy thing to do to try and lynch someone on that. It's not unusual to claim TOWN instead of whatever the flavor name for the faction is because it's the default. It's a big reach and actually you bringing this up makes me like it less!

Also scum can have the host write flavor for fakeclaims so it wouldn't be surprising if they knew the faction name

red13n posted...

For the record, if anyone ever tried to lynch me on naming convention I'd tell you that you were an idiot because I was will always refer to factions as town/scum or some close common variation thereof.

I understand that it's perfectly normal to just say town no matter what the flavor title is. And I agree.

And I understand that scum could have sussed out the town flavor-name.

But I do not think that Scum Tony gets that knowledge and uses it to cement a 5tar lynch at the very end of the day like that. In the situation as it occurred I don't see him making that remark.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

MZero11 posted...

Idk it seems like a scummy thing to do to try and lynch someone on that. It's not unusual to claim TOWN instead of whatever the flavor name for the faction is because it's the default. It's a big reach and actually you bringing this up makes me like it less!

Also scum can have the host write flavor for fakeclaims so it wouldn't be surprising if they knew the faction name

red13n posted...

For the record, if anyone ever tried to lynch me on naming convention I'd tell you that you were an idiot because I was will always refer to factions as town/scum or some close common variation thereof.

I understand that it's perfectly normal to just say town no matter what the flavor title is. And I agree.

And I understand that scum could have sussed out the town flavor-name.

But I do not think that Scum Tony gets that knowledge and uses it to cement a 5tar lynch at the very end of the day like that. In the situation as it occurred I don't see him making that remark.

Literally no drawback and how the hell would scum not know the alignment of town. You are basically arguing the host set scum up without any possibility to fakeclaim.
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Also I'm still not ready to give up on a Zam lynch.

Why is everyone so dead set on giving him a pass to do the terrible crap that he does?

And maybe I simply can't tell "does stupid things as town" zam from "does stupid things because he is scum" zam, but the fact remains that zam does stupid shit and he does things that no town should ever do and his words and actions do NOT convey a town perspective.

And yes, maybe that is him, as town, playing mafia badly.

But so? If he is going to do things that no town should ever do, then I am going to lynch him and say "you just did something that no town should ever do". And if he doesn't wan't to get lynched then he'll fucking improve and we wont have to play with a Farmer With A Shotgun power level mafia player.

He does things with no purpose.
He lies about things for no reason.

If you want me to think you are town then you need to NOT do those things and demonstrate an ability to play above a first grade level. You don't get to just do those things and say "well hey, it's what I do".

BUT I don't want this entire day to be about that, I just want my feelings on Zam to be properly noted and I will be putting time into looking at other things.

And I haven't put any serious walls up yet because dinner and youtube distractions. I'm just glad I left work before midnight tonight. It was only slightly terrible at work instead of worst day ever status like it's been the previous two nights.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Still interested in red's response to a "kill was nullified" to "I am suspicious of chris and/or blade because they are still alive."

Those two statements do not add up

were they supposed to add up?
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Corrik posted...

Literally no drawback and how the hell would scum not know the alignment of town. You are basically arguing the host set scum up without any possibility to fakeclaim.

You aren't listening.

I understand that scum could (and should) know the "TINYTOON" flavor.

BUT I don't see scum Tony using that IN THAT SITUATION to make that remark. The claim came with less than 3 minutes left in the day, and let's not forget that Tony wasn't even on the 5tar lynch, he was on Ashe. If he wanted to "seal the deal" as you put it, he would have just followed up the remark with a vote.

I'm not saying it was a conclusively town thing to have said.
But it was not a thing he would have said as scum, and thus he is town. At least that's my take.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Corrik posted...

Literally no drawback and how the hell would scum not know the alignment of town. You are basically arguing the host set scum up without any possibility to fakeclaim.

You aren't listening.

I understand that scum could (and should) know the "TINYTOON" flavor.

BUT I don't see scum Tony using that IN THAT SITUATION to make that remark. The claim came with less than 3 minutes left in the day, and let's not forget that Tony wasn't even on the 5tar lynch, he was on Ashe. If he wanted to "seal the deal" as you put it, he would have just followed up the remark with a vote.

I'm not saying it was a conclusively town thing to have said.
But it was not a thing he would have said as scum, and thus he is town. At least that's my take.

If he thought it was an actual thing, then why didn't he vote him with the comment? I would think saying it and not voting speaks harder.

If he really thought he caught him slipped
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Hey I totally just caught this guy slipping up on his claim! But do not mind me ya'll I am just gonna park on this splinter lynch if you don't mind!
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hey i happen to think the splinter lynch was a pretty good alternative. You've got Nana, who is highly possibly town and confirmed town as the other two lynches.
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Also since we have -double- votals, we know scum was perfectly content letting that day end with both nana or starscream dead.
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red13n posted...

hey i happen to think the splinter lynch was a pretty good alternative. You've got Nana, who is highly possibly town and confirmed town as the other two lynches.

Well, if you had 3 supposedly all town lynches vying at the top, what is the point of scum even getting their hands dirty there? I say this fully aware I was not here at the deadline.
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Corrik posted...

red13n posted...

hey i happen to think the splinter lynch was a pretty good alternative. You've got Nana, who is highly possibly town and confirmed town as the other two lynches.

Well, if you had 3 supposedly all town lynches vying at the top, what is the point of scum even getting their hands dirty there? I say this fully aware I was not here at the deadline.

who said we had 3?
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red13n posted...

Corrik posted...

red13n posted...

hey i happen to think the splinter lynch was a pretty good alternative. You've got Nana, who is highly possibly town and confirmed town as the other two lynches.

Well, if you had 3 supposedly all town lynches vying at the top, what is the point of scum even getting their hands dirty there? I say this fully aware I was not here at the deadline.

who said we had 3?

I am going off your hypothetical alignments. You said Nana who is highly possible town and the other 2 are confirmed.

I am saying if those all 3 are town, then why does scum even bother getting involved with their vote.
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no no no. Splinter and two other lynches.
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So Nana is totally scum.. like I'm new to this game but how can you be so oblivious to a topic change? Also he found himself threatened and jumps on the hey lets lynch 5tar bandwagon.

Only thing was yeah if he didn't he was gone.
But really missing a topic change and you posted 4 times after it changed.. did you not look above you? How couldn't you look above your post being that close to being lynched... I don't buy it.
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Still interested in red's response to a "kill was nullified" to "I am suspicious of chris and/or blade because they are still alive."

Those two statements do not add up

were they supposed to add up?

*turns to the rest of the game*

Does no one seriously have a problem with red asking if his statements on the game state are supposed to be internally consistent? Just me? Blade? FD? Corrik? Bueller?
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Votals
[1] Nana - Corrik
[1] red - Chris
[1] Tony - ColZach
[0] Corrik - (Chris)
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Still interested in red's response to a "kill was nullified" to "I am suspicious of chris and/or blade because they are still alive."

Those two statements do not add up

were they supposed to add up?

*turns to the rest of the game*

Does no one seriously have a problem with red asking if his statements on the game state are supposed to be internally consistent? Just me? Blade? FD? Corrik? Bueller?

I still don't get his comment in exchange to me nor his insistence that the night kill was blocked. Red is basically soft claiming protection.
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Alright we I gtg to work but before I go my suspension list

Small suspicion on red, his reasoning is a bit odd to me.

Mid range suspicion on Fake, why jump to the aid of Nana? Nana should have definitely been paying closer attention to above him especially being super close to being lynched himself no way he should have missed that topic change.

HIGH SUSPICION ON NANA for reasons I already stated.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Alright we I gtg to work but before I go my suspension list

Small suspicion on red, his reasoning is a bit odd to me.

Mid range suspicion on Fake, why jump to the aid of Nana? Nana should have definitely been paying closer attention to above him especially being super close to being lynched himself no way he should have missed that topic change.

HIGH SUSPICION ON NANA for reasons I already stated.

Huge glaring problems with his post.

1) insinuation he thinks that Fake is lying about his knowledge of a scum board because he thinks FA3000 is scum, AND thinks I'm scum, which means he thinks I spent the entire day until the end trying to lynch my scummate for what would have had to be a "fake not knowing the scum board" gambit, AND goaded my scummate to voting me later for no reason.

2) his use of the phrase "should have been paying attention" is scolding, like "you should have done X", but the connotation implies belief and exasperation, not an assessment that I'm lying.

##Vote: Sultan
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Why would you not be paying attention when being close to being lynched... and your explanation doesn't help me here understand you so I'll throw a vote right back at ya bub

##Vote Nanna
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Votals
[2] Nana - Corrik, Sultan
[1] red - Chris
[1] Tony - ColZach
[1] Sultan - Nana
[0] Corrik - (Chris)
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That's quite a counter vote there Sultan

Here's a question for you Mr. Slam:

How do you think scum Nana benefits from lying about not seeing the topic in this situation?
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I really feel like Nana is trying to be as scummy as humanly possible

We ain't lynching Sultan today
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Not sure what to think of the 5tarscream lynch. Came way too fast, with little time to disseminate information. I don't think it tells us much. Though I come away slightly concerned about Blade. He didn't unvote, and earlier had said he was fine with a lynch on me or Nana. I mean he posted after 5tarscream claimed so he definitely had time to at least unvote. Which ultimately would have put us at a tie, but he couldn't have known that at the time. Of course, if he's scum, he could've just voted for me to make himself look better for saving town power. Though if Nana's scum too, then I guess that'd be a risky switch to make if Plum had been faster.

Tony's Bzzt comment... I'd think he'd put a vote on 5tar if he thought it made him scum. But he did earlier say that he felt 5tar's flip told us nothing. Of course, if you think 5tar's scum, you lynch him to be lynching scum. Screw what information it gives us. (Which makes me wonder more about Chris and Blade, who were definitely looking at the info the flip would give us, lynching scum to be lynching scum is a good idea no matter what Instead we got them saying if 5tarscream is scum, then I'm scum and Nana's town as a reason to lynch 5tar instead of "He's scum")

Nanahara715 posted...

Holy fuck I didn't realize there was a topic 3. I spent the entire fucking day wondering why we never got a fucking flip.

And you didn't post a stop, in case someone walked into the topic and started posting? I've seen scum come up with dumb lies like this before (if you're town, obviously you aren't lying), though they usually don't go through with it. I'm going to take this as mostly null for now. Not sure what to think about you atm, because it IS possible all three lynch candidates yesterday were town. Which would make scum's job really easy at end of day, without having to really do anything. Part of me is paranoid the lynch was flipped to 5tar in order to give us little to read and then hope for a nana lynch the next day. Though that Sultan vote there is suspicious.

red13n posted...

Also since we have -double- votals, we know scum was perfectly content letting that day end with both nana or starscream dead.

Do we? I mean if Nana's scum, Nana obviously wants 5tarscream dead over him. And if Blade's also scum (which you put as a possibility) he wants 5tarscream dead over Nana. You could throw Colzach in instead. Or Pj, though he was on 5tarscream much earlier so I don't think it says as much about him. It's possible the scum team wasn't around, too. Looking to see who was around at deadline...

I don't think Mzero was. He ended yesterday without a vote.
Corrik wasn't around and left his vote on FD
Fake didn't seem to be around, but if Nana's scum, I doubt Fake is.
I don't think FD was around

And I doubt the entire scum team would vote for 5tarscream over Nana and out themselves anyway if Nana is scum. Then there's the backup lynch in me they had. They could've hoped to save Nana that way, but didn't want to put all their eggs in one basket. (The Nana lynch also came really late. Which wouldn't give scum a lot of time to plan)

red13n posted...

this game has different circumstances. And plum feels like an obvious clear SK kill. So its pretty safe to assume a kill got nullified.

Until there have been two kills multiple nights, I see no reason to suspect a serial killer.
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MZero11 posted...

That's quite a counter vote there Sultan

Here's a question for you Mr. Slam:

How do you think scum Nana benefits from lying about not seeing the topic in this situation?

Nana is hiding behind that very lame statment. He is hiding something. So yeah that's why scum nana would lie
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I see no reason to suspect an SK if we have two kills tomorrow night either, because poisoner is a thing. Red is bring up SK out of... Convenience?

Oh and gamefaqs post limits are garbage. It does look like I had a 3 second window I could've tried to get into though at the end. I assumed I couldn't do anything else after spending ~30 seconds hitting the button to try to post the last post I made day 1

"Oh"

MU has such a better format too bad the community mostly sucks at the game
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

MZero11 posted...

That's quite a counter vote there Sultan

Here's a question for you Mr. Slam:

How do you think scum Nana benefits from lying about not seeing the topic in this situation?

Nana is hiding behind that very lame statment. He is hiding something. So yeah that's why scum nana would lie

Problem is this is the kind of crap Nana's been doing all day. He's absolutely playing like a..

Eaed isn't bad enough to use Jester right?

Because I was going to say Jester.
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K fair warning if Nana actually is a Jester I'm just done
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And for the people who don't know the flavor, Tiny Toons has a potential character that would easily work with Jester

Someone talk me down and tell me Eaed isn't that bad
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Nanahara715 posted...

1) insinuation he thinks that Fake is lying about his knowledge of a scum board because he thinks FA3000 is scum, AND thinks I'm scum, which means he thinks I spent the entire day until the end trying to lynch my scummate for what would have had to be a "fake not knowing the scum board" gambit, AND goaded my scummate to voting me later for no reason.

2) his use of the phrase "should have been paying attention" is scolding, like "you should have done X", but the connotation implies belief and exasperation, not an assessment that I'm lying.

1) Where is this coming from?

2) I totally disagree. I don't think it was a scolding like "Pay attention next time" but rather "He should've been paying attention, so I can't believe he wasn't."
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Ok so unless his style radically changed over the last two years, I think Plum dying means either Blade isnt scum, or someone with a similarly strong will is scum with him and overruled.

Plum kill over Blade/Chris/Red/probably power Jack means scum is probably trying to sow confusion.

I say not Blade, because when we were scum together, I specifically wanted to kill based on confusing Town, and he berated me and instead we killed, I think Chris.

Also, @ColZach, whatd you do last night?
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Whoops, that person with a similarly strong would be Chris, I forgot to add.
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Ashethan posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

1) insinuation he thinks that Fake is lying about his knowledge of a scum board because he thinks FA3000 is scum, AND thinks I'm scum, which means he thinks I spent the entire day until the end trying to lynch my scummate for what would have had to be a "fake not knowing the scum board" gambit, AND goaded my scummate to voting me later for no reason.

2) his use of the phrase "should have been paying attention" is scolding, like "you should have done X", but the connotation implies belief and exasperation, not an assessment that I'm lying.

1) Where is this coming from?

2) I totally disagree. I don't think it was a scolding like "Pay attention next time" but rather "He should've been paying attention, so I can't believe he wasn't."

Exactly
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Meow1000 posted...

Someone talk me down and tell me Eaed isn't that bad

I have more faith in him than that. But if he did, we can all just get mad at him at the end. (I remember someone saying that when they thought I used Nexus)

Also if Nana's jester, I seriously doubt he votes 5tarscream yesterday.
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I think I have made a kill specifically for confusion exactly once, but I don't remember exactly when it was. Usually I'll simply go for the best player I have a power read on. I feel like aiming for confusion night 1 is pointless without at least doubling down on night 2, or else it'll simply be washed away as meta evolves. This may force you into an unfortunate kill you really don't want in order to keep up the mirage. I play tighter as scum in most cases so I usually go more by the book. In that game I played it like chess.

I had a scumteam where I didn't actually want to kill Chris night 1 but the other 4 were begging for it, though. "lol"
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