Current Events > the person who died at the traders joe stand off was shot by a cop

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-los-angeles-trader-joes-employee-killed-police-20180724-story.html

and now they will probably blame the criminal. there is a law where they can weasel out of this and charge him with her death even though they are the ones who did it.

Well they should blame the criminal for putting everyone in that position... sorry that things aren't like movies. If only the cop could bend the bullet I guess.
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Why wouldn't they blame the criminal for this? You pick some really dumb positions, TC. Like when I told you to "seek help" because you sounded depressed as fuck and you went off on me calling you psychotic

Vyrulisse posted...

Well they should blame the criminal for putting everyone in that position... sorry that things aren't like movies. If only the cop could bend the bullet I guess.

this just reminds me of Ruby Ridge when 2 men were fleeing into a house and a sniper shot at them through the closed door not knowing what was on the other side, and a wife inside unarmed was shot instead of the 2 men. plus the men were fleeing. it was a total shit show. ever since Ruby Ridge, cops have been getting away with killing people during shootouts. in video games when you play a cop and you kill a bystander, you get a game over. but in real life, your don't get punished. this means video games are actually more realistic than real life. that's the world we live in

Aye posted...

Why wouldn't they blame the criminal for this? You pick some really dumb positions, TC. Like when I told you to "seek help" because you sounded depressed as fuck and you went off on me calling you psychotic

because you made it sound like you were saying seek help cause I said was a virgin. you should have only quoted the relevant sentence. but you quoted my entire post and that led to misunderstanding.

The dead lady is mad at the cop that shot her I can tell you that

shockthemonkey posted...

The criminals should be held responsible but we shouldnt refuse to hold the cop accountable either.

This is more reasonable than the rest of the topic so far. Thanks

Too many think the cop should just get away with it

Unless it was due to negligence I don't that the police officer is necessarily responsible. It's the sort of thing that should be judged case by case
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Zikten posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Well they should blame the criminal for putting everyone in that position... sorry that things aren't like movies. If only the cop could bend the bullet I guess.

this just reminds me of Ruby Ridge when 2 men were fleeing into a house and a sniper shot at them through the closed door not knowing what was on the other side, and a wife inside unarmed was shot instead of the 2 men. plus the men were fleeing. it was a total shit show. ever since Ruby Ridge, cops have been getting away with killing people during shootouts. in video games when you play a cop and you kill a bystander, you get a game over. but in real life, your don't get punished. this means video games are actually more realistic than real life. that's the world we live in

You wot?

Oh and I do remember when Sleeping Dogs, Crackdown and LA Noire never allowing you to bully civilians.
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Police need better firearms training
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Police need better firearms training

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now they are saying she might have been saved. Some guy on HLN said that it's possible she didn't die right away and that after she was shot, cops refused to rush and help her and just left her there while they kept fighting. All they know is she was dead when they finally bothered to go check on her

Zikten posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Well they should blame the criminal for putting everyone in that position... sorry that things aren't like movies. If only the cop could bend the bullet I guess.

this just reminds me of Ruby Ridge when 2 men were fleeing into a house and a sniper shot at them through the closed door not knowing what was on the other side, and a wife inside unarmed was shot instead of the 2 men. plus the men were fleeing. it was a total shit show. ever since Ruby Ridge, cops have been getting away with killing people during shootouts. in video games when you play a cop and you kill a bystander, you get a game over. but in real life, your don't get punished. this means video games are actually more realistic than real life. that's the world we live in

Your perception of reality is informed by video games. All I can tell you is that media like video games and movies are not an accurate representation of reality and you should really know this by now.

The police needed to engage the armed suspect. In a firefight it's impossible to account for every bullet, even for the most skilled operator. However, letting the suspect escape is a worse alternative considering suspects very often do take hostages. A hostage situation has a far greater capacity for loss of life than a shootout, and we know this because it is a scenario that has played out dozens of times in the past.
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Zikten posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

The criminals should be held responsible but we shouldnt refuse to hold the cop accountable either.

This is more reasonable than the rest of the topic so far. Thanks

Too many think the cop should just get away with it

that's right.
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E32005 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Police need better firearms training

Do you know what inevitably happens when police are given better tools and equipment to engage armed suspects safely? People complain about the "militarization of the police". They complain that police are using M4 carbines from their trunks even though it is a far more reliable and accurate weapon to take out a suspect at 10 or 15 yards. They complain that the armored cars that allow them to safely engage standoff suspect are "intimidating". There is no way to satisfy people when it comes to the police despite police going through far more risks to prevent collateral damage than nearly anyone realizes.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

E32005 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Police need better firearms training

Do you know what inevitably happens when police are given better tools and equipment to engage armed suspects safely? People complain about the "militarization of the police". They complain that police are using M4 carbines from their trunks even though it is a far more reliable and accurate weapon to take out a suspect at 10 or 15 yards. They complain that the armored cars that allow them to safely engage standoff suspect are "intimidating". There is no way to satisfy people when it comes to the police despite police going through far more risks to prevent collateral damage than nearly anyone realizes.

Someone needs to explain to those morons the tactical realities.
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traders joe
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Police need better firearms training

The bullet actually did hit the suspect, but it went through his arm and into the innocent bystander.
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YodaCrackers posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Police need better firearms training

The bullet actually did hit the suspect, but it went through his arm and into the innocent bystander.

That sucks. This is one reason why they should use expanding ammo.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Zikten posted...

now they are saying she might have been saved. Some guy on HLN said that it's possible she didn't die right away and that after she was shot, cops refused to rush and help her and just left her there while they kept fighting. All they know is she was dead when they finally bothered to go check on her

Didnt we just have some topic where some court ruling said that cops have no legal duty to actually save anyone?

That ruling is years old. They don't even have to equally enforce the law as long as they don't do stuff like that coin flip bs.
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gunplagirl posted...

That ruling is years old.

That doesn't matter, at all.
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16-BITTER posted...

Zikten posted...

in video games when you play a cop and you kill a bystander, you get a game over. but in real life, your don't get punished. this means video games are actually more realistic than real life. that's the world we live in

"But videogames" has got to be the least mature take on anything. lol jesus christ

Criminal put everyone in danger because of his actions, they should be held responsible.

^^this
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Don't shoot into a fucking storefront full of people you can't see!
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@Webmaster4531 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

That ruling is years old.

That doesn't matter, at all.

And?

"Didn't we just have a topic..." was what I was responding to. It's not just that we had A singular topic about it, we've had many. That you fail to perceive such things is hardly a surprise, as you only posted to contradict me while offering even less to the conversation than however superfluous a point you may attribute to me. Which is to say, I addressed the ruling by further clarifying what it entailed. Beg my pardon, but what have you contributed to this discussion? A terse contradiction with zero follow-up?
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obviously the cops should be held responsible for negligence but the criminal is responsible and should be charged with her death
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gunplagirl posted...

It's not just that we had A singular topic about it, we've had many.

Saying that would actually convey something unlike

The 3/5th compromise is years old.
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This shows what cops really care about, the adrenaline of a gun fight. They are supposed to protect and serve first.

Webmaster4531 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

It's not just that we had A singular topic about it, we've had many.

Saying that would actually convey something unlike

The 3/5th compromise is years old.

And yet again you ignore the rest of the post to play the contrary act because you have some obsession with me
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gunplagirl posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

It's not just that we had A singular topic about it, we've had many.

Saying that would actually convey something unlike

The 3/5th compromise is years old.

And yet again you ignore the rest of the post to play the contrary act because you have some obsession with me

I don't think I've ever had a direct conversation with you before. You specifically @ me with that post.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The criminals should be held responsible but we shouldnt refuse to hold the cop accountable either.

The hell else were they supposed to do?
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gunplagirl posted...

don't do stuff like that coin flip bs.

What is this about?
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Anteaterking posted...

gunplagirl posted...

don't do stuff like that coin flip bs.

What is this about?

Those cops from I want to say Georgia who got suspended (with pay, obviously) for flipping a coin to determine whether to arrest somebody for speeding or not.
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ChessInFiveD posted...

This shows what cops really care about, the adrenaline of a gun fight. They are supposed to protect and serve first.

I take it you literally don't know a single cop in real life. No one wants to be shot at because people don't like to die.
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