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[1] Ashe - (Corrik), Tony
[1] Corrik - Sultan
[1] dowolf - corrik

(Corrik did not unvote for the vote in 250 for his vote on red)
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##Unvote

You're right it was a little petty and my reasoning behind it isn't very strong other then you pushing people around but it isn't as much to go on as some of the other points I've made. I'm going to watch and gather more information on the other suspisious parties.

Like I've said before still suspicious on
Scare
Ashe
Zam
And red
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Ashethan posted...

Meow1000 posted...

That's the point though. Last game you had an immediate comment to make about a non modkill.

Last game he was scum. So I'm not sure where you're even going with this. I mean yeah, it's different. And... not very meaningful. Not sure how this makes Corrik scum.

Last post before going on shift

The point is you're being intentionally dense in responding

I'd expect town Corrik to naturally respond much the same way scum Corrik did last game

The fact that his response was so muted feels unnatural for Corrik's general character and thus is a response that irked me.
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Okay let's look at Red's actions yesterday. This will take a while, but we've got time.

Topic 3 Post 83

people are bad at time. Wouldn't necessarily say this.

Lightly suggesting "Hey, Zam might be scum!"

Topic 3 Post 86

now, the person that posted way after a stop and got host warned, they are almost certainly town.

Post about the modkill. (Despite Chris telling Corrik NOT to talk about the modkill in this topic I don't see Chris doing the same here)

Topic 3 Post 128

i'm going to wager a high chance of blade or chris being scum(Could be both). less so corrik. but possible.

Says Chris or Blade could be scum, and that there's a high chance. Let's see if throughout the day he goes through with this at all or not.

Topic 3 Post 135

still alive.

Red not looking too bad here so far. Though does town bulletproof red really think Plum was shot with a strongman over him?

Topic 3 Post 151

this game has different circumstances. And plum feels like an obvious clear SK kill. So its pretty safe to assume a kill got nullified.

Here's where Red starts getting a little weird. "There's an obvious SK kill". Really? Does town bulletproof still alive on day 2 assume SK? I mean there's always poison for a second kill. Or maybe scum just had one kill. Sometimes scum doesn't have an extra kill. Also wouldn't this post SCREAM self-protection to the scum team? Think about it for a moment.

You're on the scum team. You see someone who seems to think there was a kill blocked. Now, Red wasn't really a good target for the doc save. So what would scum really think? They'd probably pick up on him being self-protection at this point. Bulletproof, maybe commuter. Not sure why he doesn't just claim at this point. He's basically shouting it from the roof tops at this point to the scum team, while keeping town in the dark.

Topic 3, Post 174

also the dude that said "if chris is alive, lynch chris" is now dead. Thats probably a point against chris because he wasnt going to be sheep anymore by his own logic(Plum for the record that whole gimmick was just dumb and then you didn't even sheep at the end properly to follow it through.)

Again, suspicious because Chris is alive. Yet today, he seems oddly comfortable with Chris. In fact he puts Chris right in his town pile today. Kind of weird how that works isn't it?

Just for reference:

red13n posted...

2. Ashetan
4. Corrik
7. Dowolf (formerly MZero (formerly IGCD) )

1. Alakazamtrainer

8. Meow1000 (Blade)
10. pjbasis

6. FakeAccount3000
3. ChaosTonyV4
11. red13n
5. DoomTheGyarados (Chris)
9. ScareChan (formerly Nana)
12. TheSultanOfSlam

Yesterday he was paranoid becuase Chris is alive. Yet on Day 3 he's not concerned? He also puts Blade in the 'maybe town" pile along with PJ. And he ALSO suspected Blade yesterday, and was highly convinced one of them was scum. Now he's fairly comfortable with all of them being alive and town? Really?

And that's 7 quote blocks, so I'm through with this post.
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Topic 3 Post 192

I already said he was probably an SK kill, relax a bit. My brain is mostly still processing information.

The better reason to lynch you, if so chosen, is that you attempted to assassinate an unclaimed at the end of the day(I don't necessarily blame you for this). Thats usually pretty bad, but honestly so did like 4 other people at that point.

The funny thing is I actually intended to go after plum today because of the pathetic attempt at following his own guideline which he obviously intended to take to the death. Then he got murdered.

He's still stuck on the idea of an SK here for some reason. (Which seems even less likely now that we know ColZach had a potential vig shot. Giving scum a bulletproof with a vig out there doesn't seem unlikely to me. And Scum BP might be more likely to think SK I'd think. Especially with an unclaimed Vig Shot. ) Not to mention with Randomizer Dizzy.

I'm okay with the wishywashiness of this post, becasue I know I'm pretty wishywashy at times with reads like this. But it still seems odd he so quickly backed away today from Chris and/or Blade being scum. Is it just because he's so sure I'm scum? The thing is, I'm not. So this looks super weird to me. He's not even considering "Wait, maybe on day 1 I was wrong, and one of Chris and or Blade are scum." Looks much weirder today than yesterday. Or that one of them were trying to bus me.

Topic 3, Posts 193, 194, 195

did nana flavor claim when i wasnt looking or does he owe us.
oh he did.
Also that end of day is going to be forever confusing.

Not much to really read here. Just putting it here for the sake of having all of his posts. (Gotta catch em' all)

Topic 3, Post 197

Also as someone that would have been disappointed at no fifi in the game part of me wants to just completely meta that as a legit town claim.

The other side of that, nana would have to be really, really feeling himself to play a card that dumb.

The first part is really bad Meta. "I want Fifi in this game, so clearly Fifi is in the game, and not on the safe list."

The second part isn't too bad, though I don't think it quite clears Nana/Scare.

Topic 3 Posts 198, 199

oh god the dream.
Also I miss the days of us playing with mafia-aligned roles. Those were fun to play around with.

Nothing to read here, either.

Topic 3 Posts 200

i think i had it in my mind when reading over plums list.

Nothing here, either.

Topic 3 Post 212

For the record, if anyone ever tried to lynch me on naming convention I'd tell you that you were an idiot because I was will always refer to factions as town/scum or some close common variation thereof.

Null.

Topic 3 Post 219

were they supposed to add up?

Here's where Red sort of starts arguing with Chris. Chris sees Red's logic doesn't line up. Red asks "Is it supposed to line up?" Well, yeah it is. Logic should line up. Otherwise, it's... illogical. If Red is town bulletproof, this line of inquiry should probably set off some alarm bells. If the scum team didn't shoot at him night one, they might be trying to figure out if he's safe to kill night 2 or not. Let's see if his suspicion of Chris grows from here, or if the two of them just sort of argue.
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Topic 3 Posts 223, 224

hey i happen to think the splinter lynch was a pretty good alternative. You've got Nana, who is highly possibly town and confirmed town as the other two lynches.

Also since we have -double- votals, we know scum was perfectly content letting that day end with both nana or starscream dead.

The first part.. apparently he misspoke, but that's a weird thing to say by accident. I mean the only confirmed town was Plum and 5tarscream at that point. (He corrects it in a later post #228)

The second part -- double votals -- is just weird. I thought it was weird and illgocial yesterday, and I still think it's weird and illogical today. ESPECIALLY since today he thinks the scum team is apparently Me, Dowolf, Corrik and one other. Two of which weren't even around at the end of day. I mean maybe he's changed his stance on this, but it doesn't seem like it.

Topic 3, Post 226

who said we had 3?

This is in response to Corrik saying that if all three lynches were town, then why would scum care who got lynched. (Corrik gets town points from me here, because this, to me at least, seems like town perspective.) Red's logic here really doesn't line up that one of them kind of has to be scum. Yeah, sure maybe one of them is scum. Knowing i'm not one, would make Scare scum. (NOt sure what to think about Scare not responding to this idea btw. I mean he's sort of implying that if I'm town, that Scare is scum. I brought this up yesterday, but I don't think Scare responded to it)

Topic 3, Post 228

no no no. Splinter and two other lynches.

Here he corrects himself a little. He's STILL not willing to consider the possibility that all three lynches on day 1 were possibly town.

Topic 3 Post 261

We quite literally had the day end with ambiguos votals with two different lynches. So yes.

Here he responds to me asking if we know Scum was really content with either a nana or a 5tarscream lynch. I mean it was a last minute lynch.

Topic 3 Post 284

Not because of that kill.

What we have is basically two scenarios.

Scum shot plum only is basically eliminated because who the fuck does that.

So you have scum shot someone else got blocked and shot plum too far a safe kill.

Or sk shot plum and scum got a kill blocked.

I'm not comfortable at all thinking scum intended plum to be a lone kill. Makes no sense.

This is really setting up his bulletproof claim. And doesn't even consider a poison. Almost like he knows Scum doesn't have a poison? I don't know, but shoot plum, poison Chris doesn't seem that unlikely a course of action if Chris were town. Or even poison Red. Poison Blade. No consideration of poison here. Just two scenarios. Scum had an extra shot that was blocked, or we have an SK. (Also not consideration of a possible vigilante here, either. Though a vig probably claims the shot But it was still early in the day)

Topic 3 Post 293

We've had games where they dont necessarily have an unblockable kill.

But i honestly think 99% of the games on b8 have given scum at least an extra kill.

If there's a bulletproof, scum usually has a way around it. Poison would make sense here, but he doesn't seem to consider it at all.

Topic 3 Post 294

I have to leave this intentionally vague unfortunately.

He's talking here to someone he thinks has a good shot at being scum. Shouldn't his suspicion of Chris here be raised even more?
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Topic 3, Post 297, 310, 314, 317, 319, 321, 323, 325, 326

They definitely suck but i cant help it in this case.

nana is claiming hugged?

oh it was the other way sorry. Forget that, but hes claiming some variant of it?

Or rather, hes claiming he got some sort of game notification.

It was too early for an outright host poke.

i got that, I got the order of deaths mixed up in my head for a sec(I just got back from running my dog).

it was his first post on gfaqs in at least 10 hours. So I'm assuming he logged in and saw some sort of PM.

Host wouldnt modpoke a player 1 hour into day. So, logically speaking, he had something happen to him at night to get a notification.

the other option is his scum.

but then you have to answer the question, would nana play the worlds biggest idiot card in a mafia game?

because if hes scum that is the card he is playing.

I dont know. Last I saw he said he wont answer, not that he cant.

If he said otherwise I missed it.

the thing is, it would have been significantly easier to just say nothing at all. He could have acted totally normally instead he comes in and says he totally missed the topic.

I feel like if he couldnt talk about it, he wouldn't have been allowed to mention it in the first place.

So that was what was leading me to believe he could talk about it if he chose.

This isn't pointless, theres a pretty large group that wants to lynch nana for it, and it doesn't seem like they are looking at the obvious question: is he playing a huge gambit as scum.

because that is what it requires.

There is also side 2 of it from yesterday: scum was willing to let Nana be lynched yesterday.

First part is null.

Then he goes into talking about Nana a bit. First, he assumes hugged--kind of weird to think, since the hugger was lynched day 1. Not sure about him getting the order of deaths mixed up. Don't think it reads one way or the other. Though with as sure as he was that Plum was an SK kill... I'm not sure. I do think he spends a bit too much time on it. It's kind of become a distraction at this point. Honestly, with Nana, I think he just asked the host when there was going to be a flip (assuming Nana is town). Host communication is usually taboo to talk about (which is why last game I didn't mention Blade asked me if I was following the game before I replaced in)

Topic 3, Post 328

where the hell is this aligned talk coming from anyway. we havent had an aligned role in forever.

This is after Chris mentioned a potential setup with an SK. He instantly jumps to Aligned instead of SK, which he suggested in the first place. A little weird if they're setting this all up. Though it also suggests Red didn't really think there was an SK.

Topic 3, Post 330

oh. either way, look at how close the votes are.

unless you think scum piled onto one person, they could have turned the lynch to both ashe or nana because it was so close(And been easy to justify).

we finished the day with only 10-12 relevant votes depending on who you asked. Scum could have turned that to nana(The lynch arguably, did get turned to nana) or Ashe with ease.

I mean he's basically saying that scum could've flipped to any of these lynches if they so chose. Yet he still puts me in 'must be scum' territory. Despite the possibility of scum being comfortable with any of the lynches, and so just went with one (which again, Corrik mentioned earlier) Now we're here today, and he's got two people who weren't around as who he thinks is scum. I mean reads change, obviously. But logic has to follow, and I don't think his does.
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Corrik posted...

Dowolf is going to come in here and say Ashe is scum. Guaranteed. That he voted for FD because he made that post and his emotions took a hold of him thinking he was lurking.

Nope!

Well, there is a decent chance Ashe is scum. But I voted for FD because he was also up there, and we caught him in a lie. He was clearly around enough to know who he needed to vote to stay alive, which meant he should've been around enough to claim. It's something I've done before, gotten scum with before, and I'll do it again. FakeAccount3000 posted...

Observe the level of semantic nonsense Corrik is now using to try and get me lynched. I know what its like to be new at this game and not know the best strategies because I literally am new at this game and dont know the best strategies. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to assume most new players wouldnt be the best at it their first game.

Guys could we just get Corrik done today? Everyones been saying he usually posts more and this game hes been absent almost the whole time except when hes kicking on an easy target like me.

...Corrik's trying to kill me right now? And he voted Red earlier?

Red's argument that he and Scare know each other too well for him to be scum rings false to me. Seems like a good way to try to convince us to stop thinking.
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Topic 3 Post 86

now, the person that posted way after a stop and got host warned, they are almost certainly town.

Post about the modkill. (Despite Chris telling Corrik NOT to talk about the modkill in this topic I don't see Chris doing the same here)

this is a disingenuous post btw. Because Corrik also talked about the modkill yesterday around the same time(He might have even done it before me at that point, I'm not certain).
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Ashethan posted...

Again, suspicious because Chris is alive. Yet today, he seems oddly comfortable with Chris. In fact he puts Chris right in his town pile today. Kind of weird how that works isn't it?

Actually its not weird in the slightest, you've just chosen to ignore all of my posts from today where this was explained.
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Topic 3 Post 332

The others were unclaimed, honestly its best to oust multiples where you get a roleblock and kill scenario.

Not quite sure what he meant by this post.

Topic 3 Post 333

Nana was arguably lynched by a single vote. Its not really that hard of a concept to understand.

Nana was lynched by... Me, Chris, Zam, Fake and 5tar. (Plus plum wanted to). So here he has scum as me and Zam. Logically that still fits. Though he's still not wanting to even remotely consider that all three lynches were possibly town. THAT Logic still doesn't fit. And as Chris pointed out--Nana didn't have his head in the noose until about 2 hours before the day ended. At which point he and I were tied, and he could've easily voted me had 5tarscream not jumped in at last minute.

Topic 3 Post 341

is this a correct assumption?

because thats what I was assuming as the modpoke theory people were flaunting seemed unreasonable.

Back to Nana here for a moment. Nana said that maybe he just foudn the topic by refreshing the front page (Don't see why he wouldn't just say that) but again, kind of a distraction here.

Topic 3 Post 344

Damn it corrik just let him answer so we csn put the convo to rest.

Well, you're the one who keeps bringing it up.

Topic 3 Post 354

I've been scum at least once recently. Twice in the last year, even.

Null.

Topic 3 Post 361

What the hell.

Oh god Scare thinks we have the dream.

(we dont unfortunately).

What do you know about your slot Scarem

Response to Scare replacing Nana. All this talk about the DREAM kind of seems like taunting. Corrik brought that up earlier. I don't know, just weird to be town and spend time thinking "Man if only I were scum". Then again, I hate being scum and prefer being town, so idk.

Topic 3 POst 456

Tbf people do this as town all the time too.

Null.

Anyway, last post for a little bit. Going to fix my kids lunch. I feel like this is kind of fruitless, since nobody's going to listen to me since I'm not a Mafia Vet. But I've gotta try if town wants to stand a chance at winning. And I don't want town going "You shouldn't have rolled over and died" when we lose.
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Ashethan posted...

Here's where Red starts getting a little weird. "There's an obvious SK kill". Really? Does town bulletproof still alive on day 2 assume SK? I mean there's always poison for a second kill. Or maybe scum just had one kill. Sometimes scum doesn't have an extra kill. Also wouldn't this post SCREAM self-protection to the scum team? Think about it for a moment.

You're on the scum team. You see someone who seems to think there was a kill blocked. Now, Red wasn't really a good target for the doc save. So what would scum really think? They'd probably pick up on him being self-protection at this point. Bulletproof, maybe commuter. Not sure why he doesn't just claim at this point. He's basically shouting it from the roof tops at this point to the scum team, while keeping town in the dark.

actually we talked about this yesterday. At length. If scum shot me, they probably think I'm bulletproof(or SK/both). If they didn't, then it is just as vague as anything. It was all theoretical. I was assuming there was a decent chance I got shot, but also knew there were scenarios in which I wasn't.
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red13n posted...

this is a disingenuous post btw. Because Corrik also talked about the modkill yesterday around the same time(He might have even done it before me at that point, I'm not certain).

actually reading back topics this may have been blade.

I'm not digging into it but I think corrik may have said something as well yesterday(It would be on par for all of us to think this).
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We have accidentally let the other topics purge so. If you need to reference them please go the place that is like gamefaqs but with a log.
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I think I remember Corrik whining about it a lot?

Might be misremembering though.
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yuletidefaqs.com let's go.
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Ashethan posted...

This is after Chris mentioned a potential setup with an SK. He instantly jumps to Aligned instead of SK, which he suggested in the first place. A little weird if they're setting this all up. Though it also suggests Red didn't really think there was an SK.

what? I specifically am mentioning we don't play with aligned roles anymore. As I said when chris first brought it up. Aligned is -never- considered in these games anymore.
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Ashe who is on your scum list?
Red who is on your town list?
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Is it me or is ashe really trying hard to look townish? I mean we have all seen walls of text like this and they never seem to look good or work out that well.
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As far as I remember he only talked about Alakazam really, not Sultan. Not until I poked him about it anyway.

Alakazam was not in obvious modkill territory there.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Ashe who is on your scum list?
Red who is on your town list?

Red posted an entire list like 3-4 pages ago

And I'm pretty sure Ashe already posted a scumlist recently too

Seriously, read.
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red13n posted...

2. Ashetan
4. Corrik
7. Dowolf (formerly MZero (formerly IGCD) )

1. Alakazamtrainer

8. Meow1000 (Blade)
10. pjbasis

6. FakeAccount3000
3. ChaosTonyV4
11. red13n
5. DoomTheGyarados (Chris)
9. ScareChan (formerly Nana)
12. TheSultanOfSlam

But what does this mean? I can only assume it's not very clear that is why I asked
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I'd also like to note that there is no universe where Red and I could be scum together and basing a team off of that would be foolish.

Scum Red and Scum Blade would never spend the majority of the last hour of day 2 heavily shading each other like that.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

red13n posted...

2. Ashetan
4. Corrik
7. Dowolf (formerly MZero (formerly IGCD) )

1. Alakazamtrainer

8. Meow1000 (Blade)
10. pjbasis

6. FakeAccount3000
3. ChaosTonyV4
11. red13n
5. DoomTheGyarados (Chris)
9. ScareChan (formerly Nana)
12. TheSultanOfSlam

But what does this mean? I can only assume it's not very clear that is why I asked

Scum

Probably scum

Maybe scum if they aren't scum

Town

Easy.
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Thanks blade I assumed that but i didn't want to get it backwards
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Lists almost always start with scum on top

..Almost
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15 minutes until break is over how exciting

But I might get one later in the 4-5 range.
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to be fair it'd probably be clearer if he'd put himself at the very bottom.

Though is that more common? Town at the top makes more sense to me, good at the top and evil at the bottom.
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Does zam really just lurk like this?
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pjbasis posted...

Does zam really just lurk like this?

Depends, I do work so I can only answer and post when I'm off.
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Oh ok
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Yeah working retail really sucks sometimes.

Anyways pj, how would you rate everyone so far?
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Like 0/10
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That is a lot of town on red's list.

Without a scum lynch yet I can see anybody on either side
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Do you have any reads at all?
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red13n posted...

Actually its not weird in the slightest, you've just chosen to ignore all of my posts from today where this was explained.

I think your paranoia was fake. Or you wouldn't be so easily sated that Chris is town because he didn't kill you yesterday.

red13n posted...

actually we talked about this yesterday. At length. If scum shot me, they probably think I'm bulletproof(or SK/both). If they didn't, then it is just as vague as anything. It was all theoretical. I was assuming there was a decent chance I got shot, but also knew there were scenarios in which I wasn't.

If scum shot plum, they're kind of going to remember that. And if they shot you, they'd be picking up big time hints that you were self-protection and NOT protected by someone else.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Is it me or is ashe really trying hard to look townish? I mean we have all seen walls of text like this and they never seem to look good or work out that well.

If you are town, what exactly do you want me to do here? Lay down and die? Let scum just win the game because apparently they have power players? I mean is that what mafia's become now? Towns that rely on power roles and power players to finish the game? Cause that's not that mafia I remember. I remember towns who actually made reads, made arguments, listened to each other, found holes in logic, and found scum that way. Towns who used power only as a supplement to reads, and not to determine the outcome of the game. I remember a time when Vanilla's were the heart of the game, rather than just players who wait to see what the power roles are going to do. That mafia was fun. People were engaging, even if the topics weren't even as active as this game.

What we seem to have now is a somewhat inactive and lethargic town that lets scum lead the game around on a leash. If this town doesn't want to get it in gear, I honestly don't know why some of them even continue to play mafia. I'm not saying anyone should quit, but they should at least TRY. Unless they're scum, in which case they're free to continue doing very little. I'm sure this lethargic town would continue to give them a pass if we were to somehow survive this day--but right now, I just don't see it barring a miracle. I mean is it really fun to just be led around on a leash by other people? I play mafia to make reads. A lot of times I'm wrong. I'm okay with that. But while I'm here I'm going to try, because if not I'm not playing to win. And that's not fair to the other townies who ARE trying, and the dead townies who DID try. Like FD and Colzach and Plum and 5tarscream. Maybe we lose. So what? It happens all the time. I've won maybe 6 games in all my games of Mafia. But I'd much rather say I tried than just gave up.

Don't be afraid to be wrong. Be afraid to not try.

So tell me, what are YOUR reads in this game, Zam? I've done a lot of the talking. Now i'll take a turn at listening. Then I'll continue my read of Red's posts from yesterday (and today). Do you think Red's logic makes sense? What about Chris? What's your scum/town list?
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The thing that gives me most pause is ashe didn't murder the hell out of fd. I will examine these walls when I can tonight (working two jobs today) but that's bad.

Right now ignoring ashe himself ashe being scum makes sense. The people who voted fd over ashe noth look poor and weren't around to save him eod which makes sense. Corrik putting on the after burners as the game goes along is exactly what he did last time.

Scare not being able to see what I was looking for yesterday bothers me a bit. Also the fd logic is painful. But I remember Shakespeare mafia scare makes mistakes sometimes.
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pjbasis posted...

That is a lot of town on red's list.

Without a scum lynch yet I can see anybody on either side

You get them all right or you lose right now pj.

Well, while I wait for Zam to give his reads, I'll go back to reading red.

Topic 4 Post 110

Scare for what its worth i was leaning town on colzach as well.

I did skip his repost of the player list at the beginning of the topic, but felt it unnecessary to place here.

Anyway, town read on Colzach. It's easy to get town reads when you're scum. You know who townies are. He does provide some context later, though.

Topic 4 Post 132

i thought that was a joke but honestly it would be a pretty awesome thing.

Null.

Topic 4 Post 139

Honestly, he just felt like town with the dumb emoji thing awhile back to start. It was so...attention grabbing but careless. We already know Zach is moody as heck so some of his posts more recently arent all that surprising.

Here we get some context for the town read on Zach. Emojis? Honestly, at this point, I wasn't too sure of Zach. I became surer of him later when he posted his full read of the game. Even if it was short, I liked it because it showed he was thinking about the whole game. A few people took Emojis = Town for some reason, but idk, I think that just lets him do that again when he rolls scum next time.

Topic 4 Post 144

Also Scare I would love to see your perspective on that end of day yesterday. Because you are the one person who would know for certain it was town/town with a third splinter(And I still dont think it was town/town/town).

If scare is town, then it's 100% town/town/town. You either know this as scum, and use it to toss suspicion on me, or you are town with poor logic here. I know this because I know my own alignment. Now, you could be right--Nana/Scare could be scum. But I take the results of the lynch on day 1 as entirely null.

Topic 4 Post 145

this is potentially a bad move.

Also Corrik you are way too in the background for me right now. I want to see some shoving from you. No good read either way right now.

Red gets on Corrik for putting Blade in his town pile. Now, Red has Blade on his townish pile. I mean I'm sure his read has evolved, but now that he thinks Chris is town, he also thinks Blade is probably also town. (When earlier he said he thought one of them would be scum with a high chance) Honestly, i don't see all three as being town. I'd be absolutely shocked if that were the case.

Topic 4, Post 153

Scare has a big pile of bad games to make up for. Honestly I don't see him going hard after you as scum like this.

And again, part of it is meta, but I feel like scum wasn't particularly interested in bussing day 1. Mainly because of how late those lynches actually went down(And how few people were active at deadline), town was pretty ripe for the picking.

Knowing that I'm town, if Red is town here I'm banging my head against the desk. "Town's ripe for the picking! Which obviously means the third lynch that didn't go through was clearly scum!" Red doesn't seem to even consider for a second that it's possible I'm town after saying this. (And despite that doesn't push my lynch until very late in the day when Chris and Dowolf go through with it)

Topic 4 Post 156

if death did anything to draw attention to himself he'd immediately be town, tbh.

(If Death is reading this game, he's taking notes. Next time he rolls scum, he draws attention to himself)

I can see the logic behind this, though. Even if it's more about Death than ColZach.
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Er.

I have no idea why I said "that's bad." In the first paragraph. I think I lost my train of thought.
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Ashethan posted...

I think your paranoia was fake. Or you wouldn't be so easily sated that Chris is town because he didn't kill you yesterday.

If my paranoia was to chris alone it would be one thing. It was chris, blade, and Corrik.

Ashethan posted...

What we seem to have now is a somewhat inactive and lethargic town that lets scum lead the game around on a leash. If this town doesn't want to get it in gear, I honestly don't know why some of them even continue to play mafia. I'm not saying anyone should quit, but they should at least TRY. Unless they're scum, in which case they're free to continue doing very little.

is scum leading the game around on a leash or doing very little?
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Wow someone is actually asking me something instead of ignoring me.

Anywho I won't do lists as I tend to think in extremes with lists, so I'll give some thoughts on who I think.

Red, Scare, Blade, Corrik, and Chris with all 5 of these I don't trust any of them as none of them are dead when at least one or two of them should be. I think 2 if not 3 are scum, for that reason alone. If i had to guess Red and Blade seem like the two most likely scumspects, they seem at odds with each other, but at the same time it's as though planned. Corrik had been a bit mediocre with his posts which is different from his normal brash self. Chris and Scare seem like they leaning town, both are actively searching for town.
As for Red and Chris' logic, both make sense to them and are arguing good points, Chris' logic seems more offensive and town hunting whereas Red's is more defensive, thus looking worse.

Sultan looks like a typical newbie town without powers or have passive power, he's trying to figure out the game and is somewhat ignored.

Both tony and dowolf look neutral to me, both have posted but on the other hand it seems like like they are coasting more then playing.
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Ashethan posted...

If scare is town, then it's 100% town/town/town. You either know this as scum, and use it to toss suspicion on me, or you are town with poor logic here. I know this because I know my own alignment. Now, you could be right--Nana/Scare could be scum. But I take the results of the lynch on day 1 as entirely null.

This is more disingenuous posting. I am telling Scare that if hes town its town town ??? and that i want to hear his thoughts on it. Your perspective is still flawed in this because even if you were town, to you it is the same as it would be to scare, two town and an unknown.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Wow someone is actually asking me something instead of ignoring me.

Anywho I won't do lists as I tend to think in extremes with lists, so I'll give some thoughts on who I think.

Red, Scare, Blade, Corrik, and Chris with all 5 of these I don't trust any of them as none of them are dead when at least one or two of them should be. I think 2 if not 3 are scum, for that reason alone. If i had to guess Red and Blade seem like the two most likely scumspects, they seem at odds with each other, but at the same time it's as though planned. Corrik had been a bit mediocre with his posts which is different from his normal brash self. Chris and Scare seem like they leaning town, both are actively searching for town.
As for Red and Chris' logic, both make sense to them and are arguing good points, Chris' logic seems more offensive and town hunting whereas Red's is more defensive, thus looking worse.

Sultan looks like a typical newbie town without powers or have passive power, he's trying to figure out the game and is somewhat ignored.

Both tony and dowolf look neutral to me, both have posted but on the other hand it seems like like they are coasting more then playing.

Add FA to the neutral lists for the same reasons

Pj is leaning scum he seems to ignore some questions and posts what he wants then leaves then comes back and raise and repeat.

Ashe I'm leaning scum as well just because your posts are long, drawn out and over analyzing things, id be more comfortable if you were utilizing your energies in actively engaging everyone while looking over and making mental notes or notes otherwise while attacking.
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Hit post on accident, so that's what I fully think
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##vote: Ashe

I'm confident enough to start the chain in this direction.

(also im going to be at Disneyland the rest of the day).

Going to remind town we need literally every vote or risk losing today.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

Wow someone is actually asking me something instead of ignoring me.

Anywho I won't do lists as I tend to think in extremes with lists, so I'll give some thoughts on who I think.

Red, Scare, Blade, Corrik, and Chris with all 5 of these I don't trust any of them as none of them are dead when at least one or two of them should be. I think 2 if not 3 are scum, for that reason alone. If i had to guess Red and Blade seem like the two most likely scumspects, they seem at odds with each other, but at the same time it's as though planned. Corrik had been a bit mediocre with his posts which is different from his normal brash self. Chris and Scare seem like they leaning town, both are actively searching for town.
As for Red and Chris' logic, both make sense to them and are arguing good points, Chris' logic seems more offensive and town hunting whereas Red's is more defensive, thus looking worse.

Sultan looks like a typical newbie town without powers or have passive power, he's trying to figure out the game and is somewhat ignored.

Both tony and dowolf look neutral to me, both have posted but on the other hand it seems like like they are coasting more then playing.

What makes you think it feels planned between Red and Blade?

Also, what do you think about Dowolf switching the lynch at the last second yesterday?

Leafeon13N posted...

This is more disingenuous posting. I am telling Scare that if hes town its town town ??? and that i want to hear his thoughts on it. Your perspective is still flawed in this because even if you were town, to you it is the same as it would be to scare, two town and an unknown.

Which is why I said it's entirely null. Like... if you're town here your logic makes no sense. Maybe Nana/Scare ARE scum. Like I said, that's possible (it's like you aren't even reading posts tbh) but the fact that we were all lynch leaders, and one was town, doesn't make it likely or probable that one of the other two are scum. At all. Now it really does seem like you were setting up my mislynch, followed by mislynching Scare. Of course, that depends on Scare being town.
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Ashethan posted...

Which is why I said it's entirely null. Like... if you're town here your logic makes no sense. Maybe Nana/Scare ARE scum. Like I said, that's possible (it's like you aren't even reading posts tbh) but the fact that we were all lynch leaders, and one was town, doesn't make it likely or probable that one of the other two are scum. At all. Now it really does seem like you were setting up my mislynch, followed by mislynching Scare. Of course, that depends on Scare being town.

I never said it wasn't possible. I wanted Scares thoughts to get a better read on him for one thing.

That said, the fact that in some realities he literally died day 1. That put a heavy town lean on him for me.

Ashethan posted...

At all. Now it really does seem like you were setting up my mislynch, followed by mislynching Scare. Of

This is extremely high on the bullshit scale. Hell ive gotten scare mislynched as scum recently and it went absolutely nothing like this.