Current Events > til AirConditioning in Offices are Sexist

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We need to liberate the temperature.
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The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.
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I hear far more people complaining about this, than I do about those saying the thing being complained about.
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Yesterday you said you'd call Sears
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You're smarter than you are pretending to be.
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kuwab0 posted...

Yesterday you said you'd call Sears

I'll call today.
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COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

Even the thumbnail of the video has the tagline clearly visible:

"Sexist Air Conditioning"

And yet you act like I am somehow misconstruing the argument?

Exactly how does copying what the news site titles the segment misconstruing the argument @COVxy hmm?
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Southernfatman posted...

kuwab0 posted...

Yesterday you said you'd call Sears

I'll call today.

Youll call now.
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COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

What's there to misunderstand? Air conditioning is supposed to cool you off. If you find it too cold, wear proper clothing. Too cold>>>>>>Too hot
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Whos the hottie on the left?

Also, what bullshit did I just listen to?

Sonic23004 posted...

Southernfatman posted...

kuwab0 posted...

Yesterday you said you'd call Sears

I'll call today.

Youll call now.

I'll call now.
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I mean they're not wrong, women on average tend to feel colder than men do. My firm I work at does get a lot of complaints from women about the AC being too cold a lot and only recently did we start teaching them how to operate the thermostat (a lot of paper had to be signed in order to let them operate it). With that being said, calling AC sexist is just lol worthy.
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gmanthebest posted...

COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

What's there to misunderstand? Air conditioning is supposed to cool you off. If you find it too cold, wear proper clothing. Too cold>>>>>>Too hot

Men and women run experience the cold differently, most offices have the thermostat set to appease the comfort level of men. Pretty simple to understand.
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to be honest AC is too cold in offices
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COVxy posted...

gmanthebest posted...

COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

What's there to misunderstand? Air conditioning is supposed to cool you off. If you find it too cold, wear proper clothing. Too cold>>>>>>Too hot

Men and women run experience the cold differently, most offices have the thermostat set to appease the comfort level of men. Pretty simple to understand.

And when men HAVE to wear certain clothing, it's completely fair. Bring a sweater, problem solved.
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then women should wear heavier clothes or something

it's way easier to stay warm in a cooler room than stay cool in a warmer room
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gmanthebest posted...

And when men HAVE to wear certain clothing, it's completely fair. Bring a sweater, problem solved.

I mean, doesn't just boil down to a difference in dress code, it's biological.
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COVxy posted...

gmanthebest posted...

COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

What's there to misunderstand? Air conditioning is supposed to cool you off. If you find it too cold, wear proper clothing. Too cold>>>>>>Too hot

Men and women run experience the cold differently, most offices have the thermostat set to appease the comfort level of men. Pretty simple to understand.

So you agree with air conditioning being sexist?

Cause you are acting like I made up that phrase when literally the first line of the reporter is: "It turns out it is the air conditioning that is sexist!"

the guest then affirms

"I know!"

So what exactly was misconstrued to make the "other" side look stupid @COVxy ?
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As dumb as this is, it's e=mc2 compared to poor/middle class people voting for Trump.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

So what exactly was misconstrued to make the "other" side look stupid @COVxy ?

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You aren't this dense, and neither are other people. You're not fooling anyone.
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Consider this.

Which has a remedy.

An office that is too hot?

Or an office that is too cold?

Lets say this woman changes the world and offices are now too hot for men.

How do they then cool off in the office? Take off shirts? Buy portable air conditioners?

On the other side, wearing a sweater seems to be a much more cost effective way to combat not liking the temperature does it not?

It is also ignorant to assume all women find the colder office unpleasant. Do you think the ladies with quite a lot of weight agree? Would they want a hot office?
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Feminism was a mistake
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DarthAragorn posted...

it's way easier to stay warm in a cooler room than stay cool in a warmer room

This is true as well, but I guess it depends on who is the majority. The only reason my firm allows women to touch the thermostat because currently we have more women employed than men. Productivity goes up if the employees working are comfortable. Though on average, it's usually more men working in offices than women are.
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COVxy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

So what exactly was misconstrued to make the "other" side look stupid @COVxy ?

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You aren't this dense, and neither are other people. You're not fooling anyone.

The answer is I didn't misconstrue anything. The reporter said "air conditioning is sexist".
The guest agreed.
The video even had it as the title written by the editors of the news site.

So when I titled my thread the same way, I didn't misconstrue a single thing.
If you think the phrase is wrong, maybe you should have beef with sky news and not me.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Consider this.

Which has a remedy.

An office that is too hot?

Or an office that is too cold?

Lets say this woman changes the world and offices are now too hot for men.

How do they then cool off in the office? Take off shirts? Buy portable air conditioners?

On the other side, wearing a sweater seems to be a much more cost effective way to combat not liking the temperature does it not?

It is also ignorant to assume all women find the colder office unpleasant. Do you think the ladies with quite a lot of weight agree? Would they want a hot office?

There's not a switch where you turn the thermostat to "woman" or "man". There's a continuous metric called "temperature" and one can compromise to the mean appropriate temperature so that everyone is more comfortable...
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COVxy posted...

There's not a switch where you turn the thermostat to "woman" or "man". There's a continuous metric called "temperature" and one can compromise to the mean appropriate temperature so that everyone is more comfortable...

So some scientist has figured out this number? Sounds interesting, please share it or an article about it.
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It's a really complicated equation, so I'll try my best to explain it thoroughly. See, you take each person's preferred thermostat temperature and you add them all up, like all together. Then, this part is crucial, you divide by the total number of people in the office.
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COVxy posted...

It's a really complicated equation, so I'll try my best to explain it thoroughly. See, you take each person's preferred thermostat temperature and you add them all up, like all together. Then, this part is crucial, you divide by the total number of people in the office.

You forgot the balls to nice feminine penis ratio.

COVxy posted...

gmanthebest posted...

COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

What's there to misunderstand? Air conditioning is supposed to cool you off. If you find it too cold, wear proper clothing. Too cold>>>>>>Too hot

Men and women run experience the cold differently, most offices have the thermostat set to appease the comfort level of men. Pretty simple to understand.

but isn't that only fair? :/ if a wamen gets too cold can't she just put on a jacket or a sweater? Men can't take off extra clothes to get cooler.

listen ladies, i'm not sweating at work because you're cold as ice all the time. It isn't going to happen.
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OK journalist lady. But, its easy for someone whos cold to put on a jacket. Its difficult for someone sweating profusely to work properly.
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COVxy posted...

gmanthebest posted...

And when men HAVE to wear certain clothing, it's completely fair. Bring a sweater, problem solved.

I mean, doesn't just boil down to a difference in dress code, it's biological.

But when the solution is to put on a sweater, it does boil down to dress code.
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E32005 posted...

OK journalist lady. But, its easy for someone whos cold to put on a jacket. Its difficult for someone sweating profusely to work properly.

i work with wamen in the office, and trust me, even when they do this they stillcomplain that their fingers are cold. >.> or that their feet are cold. You can't win.
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COVxy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Consider this.

Which has a remedy.

An office that is too hot?

Or an office that is too cold?

Lets say this woman changes the world and offices are now too hot for men.

How do they then cool off in the office? Take off shirts? Buy portable air conditioners?

On the other side, wearing a sweater seems to be a much more cost effective way to combat not liking the temperature does it not?

It is also ignorant to assume all women find the colder office unpleasant. Do you think the ladies with quite a lot of weight agree? Would they want a hot office?

There's not a switch where you turn the thermostat to "woman" or "man". There's a continuous metric called "temperature" and one can compromise to the mean appropriate temperature so that everyone is more comfortable...

But there are more men than women in an office environment on average, meaning the 'mean appropriate temp' so that 'everyone is more comfortable' will be on the cool side.

Wear a sweater.
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Why are you so combative against the idea of making the office accommodating for everyone? If there are more men then yes it will skew towards the mean of men, so why not make such accommodations?
"Grrr, girls taking over my office!"

It's just blatantly childish lol.
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so many sexist people advocating the death of women by freezing to death in this topic
you people should be ashamed of yourselves!!!

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COVxy posted...

Why are you so combative against the idea of making the office accommodating for everyone? If there are more men then yes it will skew towards the mean of men, so why not make such accommodations?
"Grrr, girls taking over my office!"

It's just blatantly childish lol.

But then they can't pretend to be outraged and shit on the entire concept of Feminism, which we all know this topic is really about
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Thanks for the posts COVxy.

I think you showcased your rampant hypocrisy very well ITT.

It was amusing and now everyone can see it.

COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

Oh, sooo concerned about people who have "already made up their minds" and attempting to "make the other side look stupid."

Yeah, I bet you are so concerned. Oh wait:

COVxy posted...

It's a really complicated equation, so I'll try my best to explain it thoroughly. See, you take each person's preferred thermostat temperature and you add them all up, like all together. Then, this part is crucial, you divide by the total number of people in the office.

This is even funnier if you are deluded enough to think that would not only work to appease an entire office, but also appease these women who complain.

If there are more male workers, the average will be a whole lot lower. Your solution is basically saying that the air conditioner temperatures are not sexist and not wrong for women who complain if they are in the minority.
Which means you should oppose the idea given from the video.

If indeed there is more female workers, then the office will be hotter making the men uncomfortable.
Is your point that air conditioning can be sexist if and only if there is a minority male population that controls it? Cause that is not what the video or you have previously suggested.

Now, there is actually studies people have done to try to find the sweet spot.
And guess what, your answer isn't the solution they give:

http://www.bristolite.com/blog/what-is-the-optimal-office-temperature-for-productivity-and-focus/

The exact ideal temperature, according to most studies, is 71 degrees. At this point, personal productivity is maximized and greater that at any other temperature, with productivity declining as the temperature increases and decreases.

A single degree above 71 results in a decline in productivity, albeit not a particularly severe one. Drop the temperature down a degree and most people will experience a small decline in their average productivity level.

Once the temperature rises beyond 75 degrees, productivity starts to decrease at a faster rate. Because of this sudden drop-off point, its best to aim for a temperature of between 71 and 75 degrees, on average, in your workplace.

huh no talk about a survey...

Lets remember of course what made you so upset.

I literally copied what the video stated and was titled verbatim.
Yet somehow I am the one who has made up my mind and tried to make the other side appear stupid.



Yet, I humored you and asked for the solution and you couldn't even be bothered to look for a real one.

Here are some more articles explaining how your solution does not work:

https://nycofficesuites.com/2016/06/fair-office-temperatures-for-all-employees/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/finding-best-office-temperature-basically-impossible-180949755/

And amazingly, if a man is in the minority and sets the temperature based on this study, would you call him sexist?
These women apparently would.
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I'd love to hear the reaction from a woman from Saudi Arabia or some third world country when they hear that this is the stuff that western women cry about lol
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COVxy posted...

Why are you so combative against the idea of making the office accommodating for everyone? If there are more men then yes it will skew towards the mean of men, so why not make such accommodations?
"Grrr, girls taking over my office!"

It's just blatantly childish lol.

COVxy posted...

The good old "deliberately misunderstand an argument to make the other side look stupid."

I wonder if that's ever worked for anyone that isn't already decided.

wow
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Jeezus. TCs really into this.

EliteLevel posted...

Jeezus. TCs really into this.

He made a topic pretending like people were literally saying AC is sexist. Of course he is.
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Infinite 2003 posted...

I'd love to hear the reaction from a woman from Saudi Arabia or some third world country when they hear that this is the stuff that western women cry about lol

so if someone started cutting off your dick would you think its wrong for you to complain because in other countries people are getting their limbs cut off along with their dicks?

people complain about issues that affect them because they have the power to change that
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darkphoenix181 posted...

If there are more male workers, the average will be a whole lot lower. Your solution is basically saying that the air conditioner temperatures are not sexist and not wrong for women who complain if they are in the minority.
Which means you should oppose the idea given from the video.

If men are the majority it should skew towards them, yes, that is how the mean works.
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You can always dress warm for the cold, you cant dress cold for the heat.

Khakis/pants for women are an option as are keeping a sweater at your work area.

If men have to wear suits and long sleeves in the office, the office should be cooler for comforts sake.
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yusiko posted...

Infinite 2003 posted...

I'd love to hear the reaction from a woman from Saudi Arabia or some third world country when they hear that this is the stuff that western women cry about lol

so if someone started cutting off your dick would you think its wrong for you to complain because in other countries people are getting their limbs cut off along with their dicks?

people complain about issues that affect them because they have the power to change that

False equivalency. Getting your dick cut off is still pretty extreme. While "sexist air conditioning" is about as mild as "oppression" can get.
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COVxy posted...

EliteLevel posted...

Jeezus. TCs really into this.

He made a topic pretending like people were literally saying AC is sexist. Of course he is.

So you didn't watch the video?
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COVxy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

If there are more male workers, the average will be a whole lot lower. Your solution is basically saying that the air conditioner temperatures are not sexist and not wrong for women who complain if they are in the minority.
Which means you should oppose the idea given from the video.

If men are the majority it should skew towards them, yes, that is how the mean works.

Nothing in the video suggested either woman works in an office dominated by females.

So if you agree that men controlling the temperatures when they are the majority is good, why do you take the side of these women?

You really think they would be ok with the temperature if there is more men?
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People, please stop taking TCs bait.

darkphoenix181 posted...

So if you agree that men controlling the temperatures when they are the majority is good, why do you take the side of these women?

Lol. I don't agree with that. I explicitly disagree with giving anyone universal control of the thermostat. Not only are there gender differences, but also vast individual differences. Yet the standard is that control of the thermostat is delegated to the one in charge.

More appropriate to literally calculate the mean. It is literally the balancing point where all deviances sum to zero, making it optimally fair here.
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