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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 5:21:14 AM
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-TTK is 6-7 bullets for almost all guns Jfc
-You have to use a fucking cursor to navigate menus on console lmao
-Only one specialist per team Ala Overwatch
-Maps are apparently terrible (for reference Treyarch is typically agreed to have the best maps in the series)
-Some game modes are recycled (TDM, Chaos TDM, etc)
-5v5 standard but the scoreboard has space for 6v6 which is only an alternate mode
-Menus are ugly and obtrusive

This is gonna be the biggest AAA DOA game on launch isn't it

Even Infinite Warfare had redeeming qualities

I just hope Zombies is good

And sold separately
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pres_madagascar
08/04/18 5:23:02 AM
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The cursor that thing is in destinys pussy and destiny 2 as well as black ops 3.
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Reis
08/04/18 5:23:02 AM
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it's pretty fun, i feel like it's approaching BO1 tier of quality
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 5:26:34 AM
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pres_madagascar posted...
The cursor that thing is in destinys pussy and destiny 2 as well as black ops 3.


Black Ops 3 doesn't have it

But yeah it's just like Destiny lol

Reis posted...
it's pretty fun, i feel like it's approaching BO1 tier of quality



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Reis
08/04/18 5:29:42 AM
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i mean i know nerds on the internet wanna qq over small things but the only real glaring flaws of the beta so far have been the spawns on these small ass maps and the ridiculous 90 second wait time between map selection for no real reason

the gunplay is fine and the specialist system works really well if you coordinate with your team
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Chicken
08/04/18 5:30:46 AM
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Console shooters are a joke anyway
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Zero_Destroyer
08/04/18 5:41:46 AM
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Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway

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M16A4
08/04/18 5:41:51 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
-TTK is 6-7 bullets for almost all guns Jfc

Good. The CoD games with the fastest average TTK are the ones that suck the most. Plus, with the changes to the health recovery system, you'll be shooting at guys who are already wounded more frequently than before, so it won't take 6-7 shots to kill all the time.

-You have to use a fucking cursor to navigate menus on console lmao

Minor thing, who cares?

-Only one specialist per team Ala Overwatch

That would kind of suck if you only like using 1-2 specialists, but the point is to make people branch out and try more things. Plus, if one specialist turns out to be OP as fuck somehow, you know for sure that you'll only be dealing with one on the enemy team.

-Maps are apparently terrible (for reference Treyarch is typically agreed to have the best maps in the series)

Only a fraction of the maps are playable though. Can't fully judge until we've seen all of them.

-Some game modes are recycled (TDM, Chaos TDM, etc)

This is a complete non issue. As long as the primary modes that most people play (TDM, S&D, KC, HP, Domination, Infected) are there, who cares what else they throw in?

-5v5 standard but the scoreboard has space for 6v6 which is only an alternate mode

Yeah, I'll give you that one. Dropping the standard modes to 5v5 seems like an odd choice to do at this point, since it's not like the XB1/PS4 can't handle 6v6 anymore. The only way this makes sense at all is if they're secretly planning a Switch release, and they're afraid that system can't handle 6v6 but want all the versions to be the same.

-Menus are ugly and obtrusive

Minor thing, can easily be fixed. All of these "problems" (except the 5v5 thing) are either completely overblown or simply not a big deal, and they can all easily change before the final game comes out. That's why we have a beta in the first place.
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Elliotastico
08/04/18 5:45:02 AM
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I'd buy a sold-separately zombies for $30 tops
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Reis
08/04/18 5:46:34 AM
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they already said they're fixing the menu stuff

https://charlieintel.com/2018/08/03/treyarch-outlines-what-they-are-aware-of-after-day-1-of-black-ops-4-beta/

the specialist system is much better than what is was in BO3 where you just had to get destroyed by teams of rippers in S&D abusing the commando lunges or getting hammered by War Machines and Reapers in Demolition

me and my friends have been playing as a group since cod4 and I feel we've actually had to coordinate with each other more in this beta with specialist equipment usage, rather than just running around doing whatever and using them on cooldown

also we've been pretty unanimous in our enjoyment of it, as opposed to infinite/advanced warfare which we felt was absolute garbage

M16A4 posted...
All of these "problems" (except the 5v5 thing) are either completely overblown or simply not a big deal, and they can all easily change before the final game comes out. That's why we have a beta in the first place.

this is how i feel as well. there are actual problems with the game right now like the spawns, how smgs are really fucking strong (but all cods have busted weapon balance anyway at first), and performance issues that need to be ironed

the shit in this topic listed are just like complete banal nitpicks
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Irony
08/04/18 6:14:50 AM
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Call of Duty hasn't had good maps since Modern Warfare
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ThatMuttGuy
08/04/18 6:18:12 AM
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They need to get rid of the dumbass wallrunning and jetpack shit. Just go back to regular FPS.
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Reis
08/04/18 6:20:10 AM
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there is no wall running or jetpack shit in BO4
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ThatMuttGuy
08/04/18 6:21:16 AM
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Oh sweet. I could have sworn I saw some of that in the E3 trailer.

I've been playing BO3 and it's just the most annoying thing.
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Coffeebeanz
08/04/18 6:23:19 AM
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Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


Almost as much of a joke as GPU prices
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 6:32:27 AM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


It is scheduled to be released worldwide on October 12, 2018, for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 6:42:16 AM
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Good. The CoD games with the fastest average TTK are the ones that suck the most. Plus, with the changes to the health recovery system, you'll be shooting at guys who are already wounded more frequently than before, so it won't take 6-7 shots to kill all the time.


So CoD 4, MW2, and MW3 all suck now? Ghosts had good TTK too but that's an easy target

Minor thing, who cares?

It's a big deal when you need to swap classes and settings on the fly. Fuck is this, Destiny

Minor thing, can easily be fixed. All of these "problems" (except the 5v5 thing) are either completely overblown or simply not a big deal, and they can all easily change before the final game comes out. That's why we have a beta in the first place.

Nothing design wise is getting changed, if we're lucky maybe 1-2 weapons will be rebalanced. The maps shown off in the beta are supposed to reassure people that they aren't Black Ops 3 maps with the advanced movement hastily cut out and they still feel way too familar to me

this is how i feel as well. there are actual problems with the game right now like the spawns, how smgs are really fucking strong (but all cods have busted weapon balance anyway at first), and performance issues that need to be ironed

None of the weapon balance is gonna be adjusted lol its Treyarch and SMG metas are their thing

Treyarch hasn't sent me my fucking beta code yet and I did a Gamestop preorder/cancel lol, guess I'll just be taking more gameplay footage as fact then
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Chicken
08/04/18 6:42:36 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


It is scheduled to be released worldwide on October 12, 2018, for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

The PC users wont bitch about cursors in the menu brah.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 6:45:58 AM
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Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


It is scheduled to be released worldwide on October 12, 2018, for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

The PC users wont bitch about cursors in the menu brah.


Still a dumb statement to make when pretty much no other FPS on console does this except for snowflake Destiny, and according to that article they're already gonna modify it
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 6:47:43 AM
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Irony posted...
Call of Duty hasn't had good maps since Modern Warfare


Black Ops 1/2 have some of the best maps in the entire series
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catboy0_0
08/04/18 6:52:00 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
-You have to use a fucking cursor to navigate menus on console lmao

WHY
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Reis
08/04/18 6:53:02 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
None of the weapon balance is gonna be adjusted lol its Treyarch and SMG metas are their thing

they nerfed the vmp, vesper and pharo in BO3 (amongst other things)
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Webmaster4531
08/04/18 7:03:27 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
So CoD 4, MW2, and MW3 all suck now? Ghosts had good TTK too but that's an easy target

Yes, those games suck.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 7:03:49 AM
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Reis posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
None of the weapon balance is gonna be adjusted lol its Treyarch and SMG metas are their thing

they nerfed the vmp, vesper and pharo in BO3 (amongst other things)


And those guns are still highly overused as high up as Pro League, go figure

Only the Razorback was properly nerfed from the beta to the final game

You can say SMGs are just popular, but there would then be a very good reason for that
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Chicken
08/04/18 7:05:24 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


It is scheduled to be released worldwide on October 12, 2018, for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

The PC users wont bitch about cursors in the menu brah.


Still a dumb statement to make when pretty much no other FPS on console does this except for snowflake Destiny, and according to that article they're already gonna modify it


Console shooters are bad because they need aim assist. Why anyone would play a game that literally holds your hand for the entire experience is quite a mystery. Its like using training wheels.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 7:19:29 AM
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Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


It is scheduled to be released worldwide on October 12, 2018, for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

The PC users wont bitch about cursors in the menu brah.


Still a dumb statement to make when pretty much no other FPS on console does this except for snowflake Destiny, and according to that article they're already gonna modify it


Console shooters are bad because they need aim assist. Why anyone would play a game that literally holds your hand for the entire experience is quite a mystery. Its like using training wheels.


You mean that a feature that's completely optional in most shooters and (completely disabled in games like Rainbow Six Siege) is your reasoning behind such low quality bait? Spare me the elitism, I was a PC gamer too.
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Hexenherz
08/04/18 8:01:06 AM
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-Some game modes are recycled (TDM, Chaos TDM, etc)


It's Call of Duty - every game mode is a modification of Team Deathmatch.

I'm still excited to try the beta just because that's about all I need to get my annual CoD fix in for the year.
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Coffeebeanz
08/04/18 8:04:31 AM
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Not having to deal with the PC gaming community is the best reason to play console.
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XplodnPnguins92
08/04/18 8:08:28 AM
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cod fans complain about every new release though.
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M16A4
08/04/18 8:13:25 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
So CoD 4, MW2, and MW3 all suck now? Ghosts had good TTK too but that's an easy target

CoD4 and its remaster were very good, in large part because you could offset Stopping Power by running Juggernaut. Without SP/Jugg, or with both cancelling each other out, the TTK wasn't that fast and the gameplay felt great. Stopping Power being in MW2 without Juggernaut to counteract it was one of the dumbest mistakes in the history of the franchise. MW2 was full of horribly unbalanced bullshit, it was only enjoyable if you were one of the people abusing the horribly unbalanced bullshit, and there's a reason why most of that horribly unbalanced bullshit in MW2 never returned beyond that game or if it did it was severely toned down.

MW3 felt unoriginal and dull, but it was decently enjoyable some of the time. It was mostly "meh", not very good or very bad. I don't need to say anything about Ghosts, because everyone knows that game was a train wreck of terrible ideas mashed together with no real plan in mind.
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Chicken
08/04/18 8:27:03 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
I was a PC gamer too.

Dang, I didnt know you were unemployed. Sorry about that man.
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Hexenherz
08/04/18 8:27:29 AM
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XplodnPnguins92 posted...
cod fans complain about every new release though.

They literally never learn.

You should have seen the COD WW2 forum on the Steam Community before, during and after the release lmao.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 8:59:44 AM
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Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
I was a PC gamer too.

Dang, I didnt know you were unemployed. Sorry about that man.


If there was a sick burn in there I didn't catch it.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 9:00:34 AM
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M16A4 posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
So CoD 4, MW2, and MW3 all suck now? Ghosts had good TTK too but that's an easy target

CoD4 and its remaster were very good, in large part because you could offset Stopping Power by running Juggernaut. Without SP/Jugg, or with both cancelling each other out, the TTK wasn't that fast and the gameplay felt great. Stopping Power being in MW2 without Juggernaut to counteract it was one of the dumbest mistakes in the history of the franchise. MW2 was full of horribly unbalanced bullshit, it was only enjoyable if you were one of the people abusing the horribly unbalanced bullshit, and there's a reason why most of that horribly unbalanced bullshit in MW2 never returned beyond that game or if it did it was severely toned down.

MW3 felt unoriginal and dull, but it was decently enjoyable some of the time. It was mostly "meh", not very good or very bad. I don't need to say anything about Ghosts, because everyone knows that game was a train wreck of terrible ideas mashed together with no real plan in mind.




What does any of that have to do with TTK
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 9:03:47 AM
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M_Live posted...
I wanna know how people aren't completely burned out on CoD yet


"Hurr cuz this one will be better than the last one that's why"

Just give me Modern Warfare 4 and Modern Warfare 2 Remastered and I'm done with this series

There are too many good shooters now than ever to pretend that Black Ops 4 is filling some sort of niche like it did in the past

Been playing longer than just about all of CE too
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Chicken
08/04/18 9:12:26 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
I was a PC gamer too.

Dang, I didnt know you were unemployed. Sorry about that man.


If there was a sick burn in there I didn't catch it.

Theres nothing wrong with budget gaming, bro. Nothing to feel ashamed of.
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AvantgardeAClue
08/04/18 9:42:33 AM
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Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
Chicken posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
I was a PC gamer too.

Dang, I didnt know you were unemployed. Sorry about that man.


If there was a sick burn in there I didn't catch it.

Theres nothing wrong with budget gaming, bro. Nothing to feel ashamed of.


*has a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar*
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Hexenherz
08/04/18 10:05:29 AM
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M_Live posted...
I wanna know how people aren't completely burned out on CoD yet

Because CoD owners are like Trump supporters. The company tells them it's going to be better and they parrot that.
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hyperpowder
08/04/18 10:27:39 AM
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The beta is a blast. Both the gameplay and the maps are really good.

I have no clue what you're talking about tc
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halomonkey1_3_5
08/04/18 11:15:16 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Chicken posted...
Console shooters are a joke anyway


Almost as much of a joke as GPU prices

this works better if GPU prices hadn't been in free fall for the last month or so
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TheMarthKoopa
08/04/18 11:17:23 AM
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AvantgardeAClue posted...
5v5 standard

What is WRONG with FPS games these days?

How do we go from 144v144v144 per continent in 2003 to THIS SHIT 15 years later
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Hexenherz
08/04/18 11:18:20 AM
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Are you like... comparing Planetside to Call of Duty there or something
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TheMarthKoopa
08/04/18 11:19:08 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
Are you like... comparing Planetside to Call of Duty there or something

They're both FPS so why not?
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Hexenherz
08/04/18 11:19:42 AM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Are you like... comparing Planetside to Call of Duty there or something

They're both FPS so why not?

Is this a gimmick I am unaware of? Can someone fill me in please?
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DarthAragorn
08/04/18 12:20:31 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
TheMarthKoopa posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Are you like... comparing Planetside to Call of Duty there or something

They're both FPS so why not?

Is this a gimmick I am unaware of? Can someone fill me in please?

yes, (one of) his gimmick is slobbering all over a game that nobody gives a shit about
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DarthAragorn
08/04/18 12:21:16 PM
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anyway, TTK being that high makes me actually somewhat more interested

but the specialist system and the shitty maps turn me off a lot
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Hexenherz
08/05/18 8:01:12 AM
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People are saying some of the specialists are ridiculously OP... lol.
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Nazanir
08/05/18 8:07:03 AM
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>2018
>CoD being any good

But seriously, can anyone claim to be surprised after they announced to drop single player in favour of a battle royale modus?

This entire game is an afterthought.

Also, 60 bucks gets you the 'base' game, and zombies is gonna be another 40.

How do people keep falling for this bullshit?
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