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southcoast09
08/09/18 12:42:33 PM
#101:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
No, I support individual nations rights to not have some Canadian kid telling them how to run themselves. Especially not when his country is a mess of failed lab experiment of socialist policies.


No, you're pissy people like Trudeau over Trump and therefore anything Canada is against you must support. It's quite sad

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The Great Muta 22
08/09/18 12:44:45 PM
#102:


southcoast09 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
No, I support individual nations rights to not have some Canadian kid telling them how to run themselves. Especially not when his country is a mess of failed lab experiment of socialist policies.


No, you're pissy people like Trudeau over Trump and therefore anything Canada is against you must support. It's quite sad

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I was quite clear.
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coolboy11
08/09/18 12:50:42 PM
#103:


good on Canada for calling out these buttholes, there is a reason why Saudi produced Bin Laden and much of the Islamist holy rollers hell bent on imposing the most ass backward of interpretations of the Quran.
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hockeybub89
08/09/18 12:55:20 PM
#104:


southcoast09 posted...
No, I support individual nations rights to not have some Canadian kid telling them how to run themselves. Especially not when his country is a mess of failed lab experiment of socialist policies.

How many honor killings, crucifixions, and female genital mutilations has Canada performed lately? How much Sharia is instituted?

Fuck outta here with this Saudi defense.

Spooking posted...
It's not Canada's place to meddle in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Doing so to what until recently was a friendly and allied government is a major diplomatic faux pas.

Piles of shit should not be allies anyway. A lot of people would gain respect for countries that got out of bed with places like SA.
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southcoast09
08/09/18 1:01:36 PM
#105:


So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.
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Smashingpmkns
08/09/18 1:24:16 PM
#106:


southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world
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spudger
08/09/18 1:25:00 PM
#107:


Caution999 posted...
So, Trudeau is getting owned?

Imagine defending SA
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s0nicfan
08/09/18 1:26:09 PM
#108:


Smashingpmkns posted...
southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world


Sure it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have competing religions.
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Smashingpmkns
08/09/18 1:53:32 PM
#109:


s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world


Sure it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have competing religions.


Morality isn't based off of religion either. If morality was subjective you could handwave literally anything based off of cultures. If Saudi Arabia just started killing off their people left and right for no reason we can't just say "well that's just what they do there".

We could literally handwave the holocaust if moral subjectivism was the right way of qualifying morality.
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s0nicfan
08/09/18 1:56:38 PM
#110:


Smashingpmkns posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world


Sure it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have competing religions.


Morality isn't based off of religion either. If morality was subjective you could handwave literally anything based off of cultures. If Saudi Arabia just started killing off their people left and right for no reason we can't just say "well that's just what they do there".

We could literally handwave the holocaust if moral subjectivism was the right way of qualifying morality.


Then who gets to define what is and isn't moral, and why has it changed so dramatically over the course of human history if it's not subjective?

Just to be clear, I think what SA is doing is reprehensible. I just feel like debating over the objectivity of morality. If you think it's distracting, we can stop.
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Iodine
08/09/18 1:59:39 PM
#111:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
So Republicans now like Sharia style law?

I can't keep up.


Doom_Art posted...
"Wtf we love Saudi Arabia now" - Conservatives


Seriously though, what the hell is going on here? Not having "western values" was one of the things conservatives hated about the middle east.
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Smashingpmkns
08/09/18 2:03:24 PM
#112:


s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world


Sure it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have competing religions.


Morality isn't based off of religion either. If morality was subjective you could handwave literally anything based off of cultures. If Saudi Arabia just started killing off their people left and right for no reason we can't just say "well that's just what they do there".

We could literally handwave the holocaust if moral subjectivism was the right way of qualifying morality.


Then who gets to define what is and isn't moral, and why has it changed so dramatically over the course of human history if it's not subjective?

Just to be clear, I think what SA is doing is reprehensible. I just feel like debating over the objectivity of morality. If you think it's distracting, we can stop.


Morality hasn't changed since the beginning of time basically. Our understanding of what is and what isn't morally correct has. We can easily say that slave owners thought they were doing the right thing at the time but we can look back and say they were wrong objectively. Owning slaves was never morally right, it was just okay according to society at the time because it was accepted.

It is okay to say that cultures can be wrong.
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s0nicfan
08/09/18 2:07:45 PM
#113:


Smashingpmkns posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world


Sure it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have competing religions.


Morality isn't based off of religion either. If morality was subjective you could handwave literally anything based off of cultures. If Saudi Arabia just started killing off their people left and right for no reason we can't just say "well that's just what they do there".

We could literally handwave the holocaust if moral subjectivism was the right way of qualifying morality.


Then who gets to define what is and isn't moral, and why has it changed so dramatically over the course of human history if it's not subjective?

Just to be clear, I think what SA is doing is reprehensible. I just feel like debating over the objectivity of morality. If you think it's distracting, we can stop.


Morality hasn't changed since the beginning of time basically. Our understanding of what is and what isn't morally correct has. We can easily say that slave owners thought they were doing the right thing at the time but we can look back and say they were wrong objectively. Owning slaves was never morally right, it was just okay according to society at the time because it was accepted.

It is okay to say that cultures can be wrong.


Oh, I completely agree on that last part. The question is, then, how do we know when our understanding of what is and isn't moral is right or wrong? If morality is fixed, how do we objectively know when we've finally "gotten it right"?
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DragonGirlYuki
08/09/18 2:09:18 PM
#114:


Iodine posted...
Seriously though, what the hell is going on here? Not having "western values" was one of the things conservatives hated about the middle east.

It is pretty much a pick your poison in the middle east. Siding with Saudi Arabia happens to be less bad than siding with other Arabic nations.
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Tmaster148
08/09/18 2:19:17 PM
#115:


southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


You love globalism though.
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southcoast09
08/09/18 2:31:33 PM
#116:


A blurry, illegible picture. Ya got me.
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Tmaster148
08/09/18 2:35:28 PM
#117:


southcoast09 posted...
A blurry, illegible picture. Ya got me.


Sounds like you don't keep good care of your stuff.
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Crazyman93
08/09/18 2:40:20 PM
#118:


southcoast09 posted...
A blurry, illegible picture. Ya got me.

Looks fine to me. Upgrade whatever toaster you're using to view the site and maybe it'll look right to you. :D
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King_Hellebuyck
08/09/18 2:40:49 PM
#119:


Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business
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Smashingpmkns
08/09/18 2:44:32 PM
#120:


s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.


Morality isn't subjective. Fuck buzzwords like globalism, this is morally reprehensible and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world


Sure it is. Otherwise we wouldn't have competing religions.


Morality isn't based off of religion either. If morality was subjective you could handwave literally anything based off of cultures. If Saudi Arabia just started killing off their people left and right for no reason we can't just say "well that's just what they do there".

We could literally handwave the holocaust if moral subjectivism was the right way of qualifying morality.


Then who gets to define what is and isn't moral, and why has it changed so dramatically over the course of human history if it's not subjective?

Just to be clear, I think what SA is doing is reprehensible. I just feel like debating over the objectivity of morality. If you think it's distracting, we can stop.


Morality hasn't changed since the beginning of time basically. Our understanding of what is and what isn't morally correct has. We can easily say that slave owners thought they were doing the right thing at the time but we can look back and say they were wrong objectively. Owning slaves was never morally right, it was just okay according to society at the time because it was accepted.

It is okay to say that cultures can be wrong.


Oh, I completely agree on that last part. The question is, then, how do we know when our understanding of what is and isn't moral is right or wrong? If morality is fixed, how do we objectively know when we've finally "gotten it right"?


By observing and analyzing the past basically. It's definitely possible that we're all wrong about a lot of things that we think are right right now. Gay marriage is one of recent memory, factory farming is probably next. Even once we "fix" these things we could still be wrong, but hopefully we are more correct about it today than we were yesterday.

Morality and ethics isn't simple and can't just be labeled on a chart most of the time. The answer to your question is complex, most philosophers argue about it to this day lol but moral and ethical subjectivity/relativism is nonsensical.
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southcoast09
08/09/18 2:49:39 PM
#121:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.
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Ruid
08/09/18 2:49:42 PM
#122:


What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.
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The Great Muta 22
08/09/18 2:51:31 PM
#123:


Ruid posted...
What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.


Okay, we got a new "dumbest post ITT" submission from an alt account
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King_Hellebuyck
08/09/18 2:52:05 PM
#124:


southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.

Mind your own fucking business
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southcoast09
08/09/18 2:52:52 PM
#125:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.

Mind your own fucking business

Dude, Canadas the one who needs to mind their own business. Theyre the ones telling Saudi Arabia how to run their country.
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davyheinz
08/09/18 2:54:12 PM
#126:


Canada > Saudi Arabia
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King_Hellebuyck
08/09/18 2:55:00 PM
#127:


southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.

Mind your own fucking business

Dude, Canadas the one who needs to mind their own business. Theyre the ones telling Saudi Arabia how to run their country.

Look at this fucking globalist who thinks he should be able to tell a sovereign nation like Canada how to act
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Ruid
08/09/18 2:55:24 PM
#128:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Ruid posted...
What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.


Okay, we got a new "dumbest post ITT" submission from an alt account

Then you should have no problem explaining why my assumption is wrong.
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Alpha218
08/09/18 2:56:20 PM
#129:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Good ol Southcoast standing up against human rights

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The Great Muta 22
08/09/18 3:07:37 PM
#130:


Ruid posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Ruid posted...
What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.


Okay, we got a new "dumbest post ITT" submission from an alt account

Then you should have no problem explaining why my assumption is wrong.


Why do you feel your assumption is right?
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hockeybub89
08/09/18 3:21:42 PM
#131:


southcoast09 posted...
So youre saying that we should freeze off all nations who refuse to comply with the standards set by the European Union? Thats globalism.

I do think Sharia should not exist anywhere on the globe yes. The world would be a better place without horrific human rights abuses on the daily. Fuck this cultural differences bullshit.
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Smashingpmkns
08/09/18 3:21:49 PM
#132:


Ruid posted...
What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.


No it would still be wrong for them not to be accepted. That's like saying the American blind hate on immigrants from the middle East right after 9/11 was justified.
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Ruid
08/09/18 4:26:23 PM
#133:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Ruid posted...
What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.


No it would still be wrong for them not to be accepted. That's like saying the American blind hate on immigrants from the middle East right after 9/11 was justified.

If we had an amazing spaceship ready to take people to a new planet for us to populate, how many gay people do you think would be on it?

As overpopulation increases, so does the acceptance. I think it's one of nature's ways of culling the herd and I'll gladly accept that over Spanish influenza and bubonic plague.
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Smashingpmkns
08/09/18 5:07:31 PM
#134:


Ruid posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Ruid posted...
What is and isnt right is often circumstantial. I bet if Yellowstone went off and humanity's numbers dropped to the thousands, gay people wouldn't be very accepted until people bounced back enough.


No it would still be wrong for them not to be accepted. That's like saying the American blind hate on immigrants from the middle East right after 9/11 was justified.

If we had an amazing spaceship ready to take people to a new planet for us to populate, how many gay people do you think would be on it?

As overpopulation increases, so does the acceptance. I think it's one of nature's ways of culling the herd and I'll gladly accept that over Spanish influenza and bubonic plague.


This is in no way the same thing. If you're sending people for the purpose of just reproducing on another planet, then of course gay people wouldn't fit the criteria. But if you're colonizing and the greatest botanist in the world happens to be gay then he's probably going to be given the chance to go.
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The Great Muta 22
08/09/18 9:44:41 PM
#135:


southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.

Mind your own fucking business

Dude, Canadas the one who needs to mind their own business. Theyre the ones telling Saudi Arabia how to run their country.


Fuck that, Saudi Arabia is shit and people like you are horrible for attacking our Western allies and defending the repressive regime that is led by the House of Saud.

You need to check your priorities man, because somewhere along the way of just saying shit to "trigger the libs" you are openly defending a regime that implements Wahhabism and is the biggest sponsor of global terrorism.
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TheSextMachine
08/09/18 10:23:06 PM
#136:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
You need to check your priorities man, because somewhere along the way of just saying shit to "trigger the libs" you are openly defending a regime that implements Wahhabism and is the biggest sponsor of global terrorism.

This.

My feelings about liberals is well known here but saudi arabia is a fucked up country and every modern country should be putting them to the screws until they decide to join the modern age.
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southcoast09
08/09/18 10:41:43 PM
#137:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.

Mind your own fucking business

Dude, Canadas the one who needs to mind their own business. Theyre the ones telling Saudi Arabia how to run their country.


Fuck that, Saudi Arabia is shit and people like you are horrible for attacking our Western allies and defending the repressive regime that is led by the House of Saud.

You need to check your priorities man, because somewhere along the way of just saying shit to "trigger the libs" you are openly defending a regime that implements Wahhabism and is the biggest sponsor of global terrorism.

Once again: they have problems that need to be sorted out, but Canada has no right to go around telling people to do things their way. Thats the issue at hand, rather than the Saudi Arabian culture.
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Cookie Bag
08/09/18 10:48:14 PM
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TheSextMachine
08/09/18 10:48:39 PM
#139:


southcoast09 posted...
but Canada has no right to go around telling people to do things their way.

Yes they do, especially since one of their citizens is locked up in that hellhole.
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jborgan
08/09/18 10:52:20 PM
#140:


Saudi Arabia literally crucifies a man in 2018.

"Yes, they have some problems, but Canada has no right to tell them how to do things. They're socialist, and that's much worse than anything Saudi Arabia has done."
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Bio1590
08/09/18 11:45:09 PM
#141:


So if Canada has no right to tell Saudi Arabia to fuck off, then the US has no right to tell Norh Korea to fuck off, right?
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Bio1590
08/09/18 11:45:46 PM
#142:


Cookie Bag posted...
So skimming through the topic, this southcoast guy is insane right?

Yes.

He trolls on here but there's legitimately something wrong with him irl too.
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Rika_Furude
08/09/18 11:52:39 PM
#143:


Why cant we just abandon saudi arabia and let them sit in their own shit? They made their country the way it is and they reject our way of life, we have no obligation to help them out if they wont even do something as basic as give women equal rights. They even protected Bin Laden when he was still alive. They dont deserve respect.
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southcoast09
08/10/18 12:25:48 AM
#144:


Bio1590 posted...
So if Canada has no right to tell Saudi Arabia to fuck off, then the US has no right to tell Norh Korea to fuck off, right?

We arent. We are making progress toward peace and denuclearization that Canada have not attempted.
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Bio1590
08/10/18 12:27:50 AM
#145:


southcoast09 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
So if Canada has no right to tell Saudi Arabia to fuck off, then the US has no right to tell Norh Korea to fuck off, right?

We arent. We are making progress toward peace and denuclearization that Canada have not attempted.

But that's interfering in North Korea's business.
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The Great Muta 22
08/10/18 1:03:38 AM
#146:


southcoast09 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
southcoast09 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Southcoast trying to tell Canada how to run a country? Fucking globalist should mind his own business

What a stupid thing to say.

Mind your own fucking business

Dude, Canadas the one who needs to mind their own business. Theyre the ones telling Saudi Arabia how to run their country.


Fuck that, Saudi Arabia is shit and people like you are horrible for attacking our Western allies and defending the repressive regime that is led by the House of Saud.

You need to check your priorities man, because somewhere along the way of just saying shit to "trigger the libs" you are openly defending a regime that implements Wahhabism and is the biggest sponsor of global terrorism.

Once again: they have problems that need to be sorted out, but Canada has no right to go around telling people to do things their way. Thats the issue at hand, rather than the Saudi Arabian culture.


No, that's not how it works. Actions of one nation absolutely impact others, and one is allowed to criticize the other. You can take the excuse of "Well it's their country they can do what they want!" all you'd like, but when the actions of said nation are impacting your own, you are allowed to respond.
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DragonGirlYuki
08/10/18 4:39:58 PM
#147:


Sometimes it is better to let them play in their own mudhole. Intervening won't be appreciated and the only thing that will happen is you get yourself all dirty.

Look at how well American intervention has done in the middle east. Tons of money and lives spent and it is still a mess and the people we were trying to help still hate us.
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KyerWiz
08/10/18 5:00:14 PM
#148:


The Canadian government involvement has been about a Canadian citizen being held as a political prisoner. We have every rights to tell them to cut that shit out.
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creativerealms
08/10/18 5:05:07 PM
#149:


TheSextMachine posted...
southcoast09 posted...

"We don't want to have poor relations with Saudi Arabia. It is a country that has great significance in the world, that is making progress in the area of human rights," he said.

Little Fidel sucking up to the saudis.

You realize Fidel didn't suck up to people. That comparison doesn't work.
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a-c-a-b
08/10/18 5:43:26 PM
#150:


DragonGirlYuki posted...
Sometimes it is better to let them play in their own mudhole. Intervening won't be appreciated and the only thing that will happen is you get yourself all dirty.

Look at how well American intervention has done in the middle east. Tons of money and lives spent and it is still a mess and the people we were trying to help still hate us.

LOL

It's not about helping people.
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