Poll of the Day > I got my 23andme results back

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Peterass
08/09/18 1:09:25 PM
#52:


SmokeMassTree posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
papercup posted...
You willingly gave your DNA to a corporation like that? Okay....


Whats the worst they can really do?

Sell it to the government
Sell it to another corporation
Leak it to someone who doesn't like you and can plant your DNA at a crime scene and use it to get you sent to jail and/or at least slander you.


Hmm I've never considered the crime scene idea before. Kinda legit concern there.

I really don't think the government or a corporation would be interested in a random person's dna tho.


The specimens are kept separated from the person's name so if it were leaked somehow, it would most likely be random. Anything is possible I suppose, but that's extremely unlikely.
It's easier to steal someones DNA out of a garbage can than to get it from a company like this.
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 1:10:14 PM
#53:


Peterass posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
papercup posted...
You willingly gave your DNA to a corporation like that? Okay....


Whats the worst they can really do?

Sell it to the government
Sell it to another corporation
Leak it to someone who doesn't like you and can plant your DNA at a crime scene and use it to get you sent to jail and/or at least slander you.


Hmm I've never considered the crime scene idea before. Kinda legit concern there.

I really don't think the government or a corporation would be interested in a random person's dna tho.


The specimens are kept separated from the person's name so if it were leaked somehow, it would most likely be random. Anything is possible I suppose, but that's extremely unlikely.
It's easier to steal someones DNA out of a garbage can than to get it from a company like this.

I'm sure people said the same thing about Equifax
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Mead
08/09/18 1:12:44 PM
#54:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
papercup posted...
You willingly gave your DNA to a corporation like that? Okay....


Whats the worst they can really do?

Sell it to the government
Sell it to another corporation
Leak it to someone who doesn't like you and can plant your DNA at a crime scene and use it to get you sent to jail and/or at least slander you.


Thats fucking dumb man
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SmokeMassTree
08/09/18 1:19:37 PM
#55:


@Muffinz0rz

@RFC22 and I would like to invite you to the next flat earth society meeting. We will be discussing the flatness of the earth obviously, but there will also be a power point on how dinosaurs never existed.
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Jen0125
08/09/18 1:23:45 PM
#56:


ClarkDuke posted...
I heard they are selling their collected databases to medical companies, ok?


Yeah, they recently sold it to a British pharmaceutical company who is doing some type of medical research. They just get the data anonymously. Your name isn't attached to it.

Muffinz0rz posted...
Yeah and I never opted in to giving my phone number to robocallers but here we are


Uh okay? What does that have to do with this?

papercup posted...
You willingly gave your DNA to a corporation like that? Okay....


Yes. I am more than happy for my DNA to be used to advance medical research.

And why would 23andme give my DNA to someone who doesn't like me to stage a crime scene? Lmao that's absurd. Talk about paranoia.
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 1:28:27 PM
#57:


SmokeMassTree posted...
Muffinz0rz

RFC22 and I would like to invite you to the next flat earth society meeting. We will be discussing the flatness of the earth obviously, but there will also be a power point on how dinosaurs never existed.

Alright then, go ahead and give out your SSN and credit card info to every random person who asks but make sure you explicitly "opt in" by telling them not to sell or misuse your data.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Jen0125 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Yeah and I never opted in to giving my phone number to robocallers but here we are


Uh okay? What does that have to do with this?

You're assuming "opting in" to them not storing or selling your data means they won't do it.

Jen0125 posted...
And why would 23andme give my DNA to someone who doesn't like me to stage a crime scene? Lmao that's absurd. Talk about paranoia.

How much did you gain in the long-run from this?

Nothing. You learned a few fun stats about yourself. It changes nothing about your life.

How much can you lose from this?

Everything.

What if you decide to run for office? If I don't like you (which, bipartisan politics will ensure those odds are 50/50) and I happen to work for 23andme, why don't I just plop some samples at a vegas brothel and use it to smear you?

Doesn't even have to be a "crime" scene. Just something that looks bad.
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Mead
08/09/18 1:29:30 PM
#58:


Omg what of they use my dna to turn even more frogs gay
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Jen0125
08/09/18 1:40:31 PM
#59:


Why do I need to gain anything? I opted in for them to store and use my DNA for medical research for the greater good. I don't need to gain anything.

I'm almost 30. I'm not "running for office." You're creating hypotheticals that don't exist for me lol.
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 1:42:26 PM
#60:


Jen0125 posted...
Why do I need to gain anything?

Then why'd ya do it at all?
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Jen0125
08/09/18 1:44:49 PM
#61:


I wanted to find out about my genealogy. You're talking about why did I opt in to allowing to store my DNA and allowing them to sell it or use it for research.
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SmokeMassTree
08/09/18 1:45:16 PM
#62:


@Muffinz0rz

That was a serious offer and we don't appreciate your attitude. Consider yourself uninvited
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 1:50:39 PM
#63:


SmokeMassTree posted...
Muffinz0rz

That was a serious offer and we don't appreciate your attitude. Consider yourself uninvited

I didn't want to.

Jen0125 posted...
You're talking about why did I opt in to allowing to store my DNA and allowing them to sell it or use it for research.

If you want to take the risk of a breach revealing everything about your personal information to the public and additionally risking your information being used against you, all in exchange for the chance that your one in tens of millions of samples helps advance medical research, then go for it. I just don't see the value there.
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Jen0125
08/09/18 1:56:19 PM
#64:


What personal information? All they have is my first and last name. All the samples are stored anonymously under an ID Number. When they give the data to other companies they're given anonymously. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

If you don't want them to store your sample, they destroy it when they make your report. If you don't want them to use your data for research they don't. Your paranoia is crazy.

Don't use the service if you don't want to. Stop filling my topic with inane bullshit.
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Mead
08/09/18 1:56:39 PM
#65:


Does this guy think brothels are being checked for dna
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Dikitain
08/09/18 1:58:14 PM
#66:


I have been tempted to try one of those, but my family history has already been traced back to around to the late 17th century. I know I am mostly French, Welsh, and German. Hell, my mothers side is pretty much entirely Pennsylvania Dutch and I know they don't "cross pollinate" so the German side is pretty much a given.
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Jen0125
08/09/18 2:05:31 PM
#67:


Mead posted...
Does this guy think brothels are being checked for dna


Apparently
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 2:12:41 PM
#68:


Jen0125 posted...
What personal information? All they have is my first and last name. All the samples are stored anonymously under an ID Number. When they give the data to other companies they're given anonymously. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

If you don't want them to store your sample, they destroy it when they make your report. If you don't want them to use your data for research they don't. Your paranoia is crazy.

Don't use the service if you don't want to. Stop filling my topic with inane bullshit.

Not sure how it's paranoia when we've seen time and time again that nobody's "data" is secure.

I'm sure Equifax told you their data centers were super encrypted and safe.

It's not paranoia when it routinely happens time and time again. Only a matter of time before this place becomes the next big breach.

You all aren't seeing the big picture anyways. It's not about "just a brothel" or "just running for office." There are limitless things that could be done with all your information. I won't pretend to know all of them. The point is, anything can happen, and it's pointless to invite such massive risk for the minor payout of seeing something useless about myself that I will promptly forget about in ten minutes.
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CacciatoPart3
08/09/18 2:14:52 PM
#69:


I would never want to give them my DNA in case I ever wanted to become a serial killer, but then I found out theyve been catching all those guys from family members that used those sites so I guess it doesnt really matter now.
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Jen0125
08/09/18 2:21:34 PM
#70:


CacciatoPart3 posted...
I would never want to give them my DNA in case I ever wanted to become a serial killer, but then I found out theyve been catching all those guys from family members that used those sites so I guess it doesnt really matter now.


Lmao

I'm really not concerned.

There's nothing anyone can do with my DNA that can concern me.

And I'm helping with medical research so I'm satisfied with that.
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Archgoat
08/09/18 3:15:54 PM
#71:


I understand security concerns about personal data and privacy. However, I always find it funny that people think they are so special that people want to know about their private life or may want to steal their DNA. You are not important and no one cares.
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 3:16:40 PM
#72:


Archgoat posted...
I understand security concerns about personal data and privacy. However, I always find it funny that people think they are so special that people want to know about their private life or may want to steal their DNA. You are not important and no one cares.

It's not that we think we're important right now. It's that maybe we one day down the road might be.
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Blighboy
08/09/18 3:18:40 PM
#73:


What if somebody cranked one out into your DNA and you got pregnant
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Jen0125
08/09/18 3:31:12 PM
#74:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Archgoat posted...
I understand security concerns about personal data and privacy. However, I always find it funny that people think they are so special that people want to know about their private life or may want to steal their DNA. You are not important and no one cares.

It's not that we think we're important right now. It's that maybe we one day down the road might be.


I'm not going to be important down the road lmao

Blighboy posted...
What if somebody cranked one out into your DNA and you got pregnant


I wouldn't be pregnant, my clone would!
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TheCyborgNinja
08/09/18 3:49:02 PM
#75:


Jen0125 posted...
CacciatoPart3 posted...
I would never want to give them my DNA in case I ever wanted to become a serial killer, but then I found out theyve been catching all those guys from family members that used those sites so I guess it doesnt really matter now.


Lmao

I'm really not concerned.

There's nothing anyone can do with my DNA that can concern me.

And I'm helping with medical research so I'm satisfied with that.

Aside from which, the way it's stored is some convoluted serialized system that further makes it more anonymous. It's explained somewhere...
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Aculo
08/09/18 3:49:48 PM
#76:


so you're white af, what a shock, ok?
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 3:53:25 PM
#77:


Jen0125 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Archgoat posted...
I understand security concerns about personal data and privacy. However, I always find it funny that people think they are so special that people want to know about their private life or may want to steal their DNA. You are not important and no one cares.

It's not that we think we're important right now. It's that maybe we one day down the road might be.


I'm not going to be important down the road lmao

You don't know that, Jen. And neither do I. Nobody does.

Anything can happen. That's the point.
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MrMelodramatic
08/09/18 4:15:39 PM
#78:


This level of paranoia is... really something.
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 4:18:10 PM
#79:


Am I wrong?
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Mead
08/09/18 4:19:29 PM
#80:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Am I wrong?


Yeah a bunch
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 4:20:19 PM
#81:


Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Am I wrong?


Yeah a bunch

How so?
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Mead
08/09/18 4:26:48 PM
#82:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Am I wrong?


Yeah a bunch

How so?


The logistics of what you are proposing are absurd.

For one thing the valuable part of your dna is just the information itself, not the physical stuff. The samples that they are sent are so minuscule that you really couldnt transfer them in any traceable amount to a foreign environment.

Even if you could, what you are proposing would require someone to commit a crime themselves, plant the dna, make sure its somewhere near where the person they are framing, make sure that person has no alibi at the time, and also tip off authorities that they need to check for that exact persons dna because unless there is a motive forensic investigators would have no idea who to cross check the sample against.

All the while making sure that no one knew that you had possession of the sample since it would correctly implicate you for the crime.

Basically its Alex Jones levels of bananas
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 4:34:01 PM
#83:


Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Am I wrong?


Yeah a bunch

How so?


The logistics of what you are proposing are absurd.

For one thing the valuable part of your dna is just the information itself, not the physical stuff. The samples that they are sent are so minuscule that you really couldnt transfer them in any traceable amount to a foreign environment.

Even if you could, what you are proposing would require someone to commit a crime themselves, plant the dna, make sure its somewhere near where the person they are framing, make sure that person has no alibi at the time, and also tip off authorities that they need to check for that exact persons dna because unless there is a motive forensic investigators would have no idea who to cross check the sample against.

All the while making sure that no one knew that you had possession of the sample since it would correctly implicate you for the crime.

Basically its Alex Jones levels of bananas

Again, remember I clarified it doesn't have to be a crime. It could be an ex's apartment to implicate an affair or something. Anything to make said target look bad.

But the overarching point is this; even though it's unlikely, it's not impossible. And if I don't send my DNA to them, then my odds remain lower than they would be if I did send it. Am I wrong here?
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Mead
08/09/18 4:41:13 PM
#84:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Am I wrong?


Yeah a bunch

How so?


The logistics of what you are proposing are absurd.

For one thing the valuable part of your dna is just the information itself, not the physical stuff. The samples that they are sent are so minuscule that you really couldnt transfer them in any traceable amount to a foreign environment.

Even if you could, what you are proposing would require someone to commit a crime themselves, plant the dna, make sure its somewhere near where the person they are framing, make sure that person has no alibi at the time, and also tip off authorities that they need to check for that exact persons dna because unless there is a motive forensic investigators would have no idea who to cross check the sample against.

All the while making sure that no one knew that you had possession of the sample since it would correctly implicate you for the crime.

Basically its Alex Jones levels of bananas

Again, remember I clarified it doesn't have to be a crime. It could be an ex's apartment to implicate an affair or something. Anything to make said target look bad.

But the overarching point is this; even though it's unlikely, it's not impossible. And if I don't send my DNA to them, then my odds remain lower than they would be if I did send it. Am I wrong here?


Yeah youre still in fantasyland

Youre sending them a saliva sample not blood or splooge. You really think someone is gonna slander you and tip off reporters(?) to check for your spit?

They dont even keep your physical sample unless you tell them you want it stored and as has been pointed out for any research your name isnt even attached to the sample any more.
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 4:50:06 PM
#85:


Mead posted...
Yeah youre still in fantasyland

Youre sending them a saliva sample not blood or splooge. You really think someone is gonna slander you and tip off reporters(?) to check for your spit?

Why not?

Mead posted...
They dont even keep your physical sample unless you tell them you want it stored and as has been pointed out for any research your name isnt even attached to the sample any more.

Muffinz0rz posted...
I'm sure Equifax told you their data centers were super encrypted and safe.

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Mead
08/09/18 4:53:21 PM
#86:


Are you implying someone is going to hack and download your physical DNA


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Jen0125
08/09/18 4:53:32 PM
#87:


Why is someone DNA testing blood or spit for an affair?
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 5:01:38 PM
#88:


Mead posted...
Are you implying someone is going to hack and download your physical DNA


No lmfao hahahah stop being dense

Jen0125 posted...
Why is someone DNA testing blood or spit for an affair?

"First reports saying Jen0125 is being accused of an affair after her boyfriend accused her of cheating. Preliminary research shows her DNA was found at the accused lover's apartment"

Or some shit like that

All it takes
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Mead
08/09/18 5:04:36 PM
#89:


Preliminary research by who???
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Kyuubi4269
08/09/18 5:06:42 PM
#90:


Preliminary research of affairs (by, I assume, a PI) is not breaking in to the homes of every man Jen had ever met and swabbing the buildings top to bottom lol
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Muffinz0rz
08/09/18 5:07:21 PM
#91:


Mead posted...
Preliminary research by who???

Idk whoever fucking normally does research in cases like this; forensics or law enforcement or detectives or crime labs or what the fuck ever

You keep getting obsessed with the specifics, when all I'm talking about here is big picture stuff.

I don't know who would do the research. I don't know who will eventually be important enough to be worth slandering some day. I'm not even saying it's me. I'm just saying, if it ever is me, I want my odds of shit like that to be as low as possible. Voluntarily sending my data to a corporation and banking on their good graces that they won't sell or lose my info does not help those odds.
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Kyuubi4269
08/09/18 5:09:56 PM
#92:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Preliminary research by who???

Idk whoever fucking normally does research in cases like this; forensics or law enforcement or detectives or crime labs or what the fuck ever

You keep getting obsessed with the specifics, when all I'm talking about here is big picture stuff.

I don't know who would do the research. I don't know who will eventually be important enough to be worth slandering some day. I'm not even saying it's me. I'm just saying, if it ever is me, I want my odds of shit like that to be as low as possible. Voluntarily sending my data to a corporation and banking on their good graces that they won't sell or lose my info does not help those odds.

Are you not scared this account will get traced back to you? It's pretty damning.
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MrMelodramatic
08/09/18 5:37:54 PM
#93:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Am I wrong?

Uh. Yes.
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MrMelodramatic
08/09/18 5:40:43 PM
#94:


After you use a napkin or drink a beer, do you make sure to destroy the things you left your DNA on, or do you leave it in the trash where anyone (not just governments and corporations) can go in and use it to frame you for murder/cheating on your spouse?
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CarefreeDude
08/09/18 5:44:37 PM
#95:


how did you get yours back so soon? They claim they haven't even received mine yet, despite the tracking says delivered.
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TheCyborgNinja
08/09/18 5:45:42 PM
#96:


MrMelodramatic posted...
After you use a napkin or drink a beer, do you make sure to destroy the things you left your DNA on, or do you leave it in the trash where anyone (not just governments and corporations) can go in and use it to frame you for murder/cheating on your spouse?

In theory that's more useful in terms of evil, because it can be planted at a crime scene. People could totally HJ some dudes and then leave their sample on some guy that they kill. The perfect crime!
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SmokeMassTree
08/09/18 6:24:30 PM
#97:


I want to play

@Jen0125

What if the foot guy or ico won the lottery, paid a bunch of money to the company for your dna, made clones of you for sexual reasons, made films of themselves with the clones, and then blackmailed you into performing the acts in the videos or they would go public with them?

Huh?

Bet you didn't think of that.
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CyborgSage00x0
08/09/18 6:29:47 PM
#98:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Sell it to the government


Who cares.

Sell it to another corporation


Who cares.

Leak it to someone who doesn't like you and can plant your DNA at a crime scene and use it to get you sent to jail and/or at least slander you.

Impossible. You only send a tiny amount of saliva that's in preservation fluids, and then it get's processed.
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CacciatoPart3
08/09/18 6:47:04 PM
#99:


SmokeMassTree posted...
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@Jen0125

What if the foot guy or ico won the lottery, paid a bunch of money to the company for your dna, made clones of you for sexual reasons, made films of themselves with the clones, and then blackmailed you into performing the acts in the videos or they would go public with them?

Huh?

Bet you didn't think of that.

The plot thickens. Just like foot guys chubby when he sees Jen's clone.
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PuddingBoy
08/09/18 7:08:19 PM
#100:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Are you implying someone is going to hack and download your physical DNA


No lmfao hahahah stop being dense

Screaming at this lmao
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Jen0125
08/09/18 7:18:06 PM
#101:


CarefreeDude posted...
how did you get yours back so soon? They claim they haven't even received mine yet, despite the tracking says delivered.


Idk. It took about 6 weeks.

Muffinz0rz posted...
Idk whoever fucking normally does research in cases like this; forensics or law enforcement or detectives or crime labs or what the fuck ever


No one tests DNA for shit like that dude.

SmokeMassTree posted...

Bet you didn't think of that.


If it's a clone I don't really care. You can't clone humans now anyway. Doubt you could in this lifetime and seriously doubt you could when the clone and I would look the same.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Impossible. You only send a tiny amount of saliva that's in preservation fluids, and then it get's processed.


Seriously. It's 2tsp of spit and preservation fluids.
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