Current Events > Lindsay Lohan calls #MeToo accusers 'weak'

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hockeybub89 posted...

So women should be quiet about sexual assault and harassment because it might hurt their career opportunities? It almost sounds like there's a point to this movement.

wow... that's the message you got from that post? Jesus dude. Can you at least pretend to consider the possibility that your world view actually isn't 100% accurate? that the MeToo movement was poorly managed and poorly executed? There's ways of speaking up about actual sexual harassment and sexual assault without also going to far over the deep end and believing every word that every woman has said despite no proof whatsoever.
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nicklebro posteed...

Who didn't see this coming? They went way too hard way too fast. Now they fucked it up for not just women, but men as well.

Ah the old Boogie argument. "Fight for justice slowly so no one gets hurt." Ignoring that people were already getting hurt.
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nicklebro posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

So women should be quiet about sexual assault and harassment because it might hurt their career opportunities? It almost sounds like there's a point to this movement.

wow... that's the message you got from that post? Jesus dude. Can you at least pretend to consider the possibility that your world view actually isn't 100% accurate? that the MeToo movement was poorly managed and poorly executed? There's ways of speaking up about actual sexual harassment and sexual assault without also going to far over the deep end and believing every word that every woman has said despite no proof whatsoever.

So men can go overboard because women went overboard?
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Funbazooka posted...

Men are extremely fearful because mere allegations can ruin their lives now.

Name 1 person you know personally and 5 famous people whose lives were permanently ruined by false sexual assault allegations.

And here I thought we were arguing against sensationalism.
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jborgan posted...

"It's not like sexual assault is a very traumatizing experience! If it were me, I would have reported it immediately! There's no way there's people who have the power to cover it up, not to mention all the other people who would question if I was really assaulted in the first place!"

She doesn't want to relive her experience? What a bitch!"

Please let me know where you guys got the horse from. It's very high.

Yes, it would be absolutely horrible to have to relive a traumatic experience like that, but if it can take a rapist out of the streets, it's worth it.
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hockeybub89 posted...

So men can go overboard because women went overboard?

go overboard with what? No one is supposed to go overboard at all. But every action has an equal opposite reaction. This is true for society as well. That's why you take it slow and don't just go hunting for men. Take Chris Hardwick for example, he was scrubbed from existence for a little while because his ex wrote a blog and said that he was pushy when it came to sex and saidWh some very insensitive and inappropriate things in front of her parents even. Why is he guilty until proven innocent? Its this kinda nonsense that has caused men to put up their shields around women. They are forced to protect themselves, they're not doing anything to hold women down, they're literally covering their own asses because of how irresponsible society has become with sexual harassment claims.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Men are extremely fearful because mere allegations can ruin their lives now.

Name 1 person you know personally and 5 famous people whose lives were permanently ruined by false sexual assault allegations.

And here I thought we were arguing against sensationalism.

The article (a Huffingtonpost article mind you) bears it all out.

These men know that if they're not at any point alone with the woman, then that poses a pretty big obstacle to a woman who might possibly concoct a story.
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Funbazooka posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Men are extremely fearful because mere allegations can ruin their lives now.

Name 1 person you know personally and 5 famous people whose lives were permanently ruined by false sexual assault allegations.

And here I thought we were arguing against sensationalism.

The article (a Huffingtonpost article mind you) bears it all out.

These men know that if they're not at any point alone with the woman, then that poses a pretty big obstacle to a woman who might possibly concoct a story.

Lol desperately ensuring there's always a third person in the room and that third person is a neutral party.

Someone trying to be relevant in 2018.
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lol pound me too

Says the woman who's fallen into drugs time and time again.
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Remember when Lindsay Lohan sued Rockstar because she was butthurt they "used her likeness" in GTA 5?
lol
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Love the people in this topic that decide to just insult her and call her a slut instead of just disagreeing with her opinion. Way to attack her character instead of her opinion.
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I feel like she definitely has a point but isn't nearly articulate enough for it to survive the shitstorm of backlash it creates.

Jiggy101011 posted...

Love the people in this topic that decide to just insult her and call her a slut instead of just disagreeing with her opinion. Way to attack her character instead of her opinion.

It's CE. That's the go-to tactic around here.

Nidhoggr posted...

Seems there are only two extremes.

1. Mindlessly believe any woman who says anything about sexual assault.

2. Demand evidence from any woman who says anything about sexual assault.

Which one should I choose?

Sums up how this topic went perfectly lol, what a wonderful all-or-nothing society we live in
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hockeybub89 posted...

So women should be quiet about sexual assault and harassment because it might hurt their career opportunities? It almost sounds like there's a point to this movement.

This attitude you have toward the article completely misses the point of it and is the type of reaction that would reinforce the reactions the corporate world has. Because you glossed over their feelings and are going back to accusations, a corporate leader who has shied away and agreed with the article would just double down on his beliefs. It's easier for them to just shy away from and limit female interactions at the workplace than it is to get you to understand where they're coming from.
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I remember women being told "Get to the hospital within 72 hours! Time is of the essence! If the evidence is still there, we can put an end to stuff like this!"

BignutzisBack posted...

Nidhoggr posted...

Seems there are only two extremes.

1. Mindlessly believe any woman who says anything about sexual assault.

2. Demand evidence from any woman who says anything about sexual assault.

Which one should I choose?

Sums up how this topic went perfectly lol, what a wonderful all-or-nothing society we live in

In terms of accusations, though, proof is kind of important.
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Well another problem is the women out there who have lied about rape and thus took credibility from one of the most serious things out there. I'm surprised other women who've actually been through that experience would go apeshit on them for causing a lot of people to take it less seriously.

I know that when I hear allegations, my instinctive thought is to wonder whether or not it's bullshit and the above only increases that. But regardless of anything, physical evidence is hard to argue against.

Funbazooka posted...

#MeToo Backlash In Corporate Canada Sees Women Locked Out
Women in business say they are facing a "chilling effect" on their relationships with male colleagues and supervisors.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/02/metoo-backlash-corporate-canada_a_23494668/

TORONTO A lawyer is asked whether a male executive should leave the door open when meeting with a woman.

A consultant's longtime male client will only take a meeting with her if someone else is in the room.

A public relations executive hears from senior business leaders who say they are shying away from mentoring young women.

The revelations relayed to The Canadian Press about being a woman in corporate Canada in recent months offer a glimpse into a male-dominated workforce that is quietly grappling with the unintended consequences of the Me Too movement.

The movement emerged late last year following a slew of sexual misconduct allegations against film industry heavyweight Harvey Weinstein and other high profile American businessmen. Allegations of inappropriate behaviour have spread to a range of sectors north of the border as well from politics to theatre to sports but leaders in corporate Canada have so far been left unscathed.

Still, women in business say they are facing a resulting "chilling effect" on their relationships with male colleagues and supervisors.

They reported a noticeable decline in invitations to meetings, business trips and dinners gatherings considered invaluable for career advancement.

More importantly, they added, senior executives are increasingly hesitant to mentor female employees.

It is a development that poses a threat to women who aim to rise to the highest corporate roles at a time when two-thirds of the companies included on the TSX 60 index of Canada's largest companies did not include a single woman among top earners last year, according to a Canadian Press analysis.

Most of the dozen women who spoke with The Canadian Press were hesitant to discuss the unintended consequences of Me Too because they didn't want to detract from the progress they hope the movement will make towards improving opportunities for women.

They fear the misguided actions of some male leaders could instead reinforce the door to the old boys' club, further hindering the hard-fought progress made by the few women able to climb to the top of the corporate ladder.

Chaperones at business meetings

Lori McIntosh flew to Miami in early spring to meet with a client of 12 years, only to be told the company no longer allows its executives to take meetings alone, including with her.

I actually see stuff like this in work. In fear, including myself at times, a lot of men won't make meetings 1 on 1 with a woman or I've seen men bolt out of elevators if I woman gets in with them. It's a messed up situation all around, but I really can't blame the men. It's unfortunate because it does undermine the importance of the MeToo movement.
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NightMarishPie posted...

I actually see stuff like this in work. In fear, including myself at times, a lot of men won't make meetings 1 on 1 with a woman or I've seen men bolt out of elevators if I woman gets in with them. It's a messed up situation all around, but I really can't blame the men. It's unfortunate because it does undermine the importance of the MeToo movement.

I can blame them because it's just buying into sensationalism, like fearing plane crashes or shark attacks. The fear is illogical and not based in reality. No one knows anyone who was destroyed by fake rape allegations. There is no epidemic.
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No one knows anyone who was destroyed by fake rape allegations.

That's quite a broad, sweeping statement with no basis in reality.
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NightMarishPie posted...

but I really can't blame the men

Oh you and everyone else absolutely can blame the men for having no fucking idea of how to address women as an asset to the company and not a pair of legs and boobs. Of course they're scared out of their minds when their whole corporate world view has been flipped on its head and thank God for that.

For myself, I've had no problem for the last year and a half of consulting. Been in multiple meetings where it's just myself and a female representative of the company and oh shit, have been managing just fine when I focus on the actual work I'm there to do.

This kind of "company policy" crap will pop up from time to time with businesses who are far too reactionary but will even out as Day Zero of the MeToo movement gets further and further away.

Then men will get too complacent, go back to their old ways and we'll be right back to where we started just as when this all flared up in the '90s. It's getting slightly better each time but it's likely we'll have at least two or three more of these movements in the next several decades before we actually get close to solving it.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

No one knows anyone who was destroyed by fake rape allegations.

That's quite a broad, sweeping statement with no basis in reality.

It was a little hyperbolic, yes, but I am trying to speak as I believe the Earth humans do.
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CyricZ posted...

NightMarishPie posted...

but I really can't blame the men

Oh you and everyone else absolutely can blame the men for having no fucking idea of how to address women as an asset to the company and not a pair of legs and boobs. Of course they're scared out of their minds when their whole corporate world view has been flipped on its head and thank God for that.

For myself, I've had no problem for the last year and a half of consulting. Been in multiple meetings where it's just myself and a female representative of the company and oh shit, have been managing just fine when I focus on the actual work I'm there to do.

This kind of "company policy" crap will pop up from time to time with businesses who are far too reactionary but will even out as Day Zero of the MeToo movement gets further and further away.

Then men will get too complacent, go back to their old ways and we'll be right back to where we started just as when this all flared up in the '90s. It's getting slightly better each time but it's likely we'll have at least two or three more of these movements in the next several decades before we actually get close to solving it.

Nice projecting. You're making a lot of progress, bud. Keep it up.
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Imagine being afraid of being in one-on-one meetings or situations with a woman in the workplace. That definitely says more about them than it does about anything else.
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NightMarishPie posted...

CyricZ posted...

NightMarishPie posted...

but I really can't blame the men

Oh you and everyone else absolutely can blame the men for having no fucking idea of how to address women as an asset to the company and not a pair of legs and boobs. Of course they're scared out of their minds when their whole corporate world view has been flipped on its head and thank God for that.

For myself, I've had no problem for the last year and a half of consulting. Been in multiple meetings where it's just myself and a female representative of the company and oh shit, have been managing just fine when I focus on the actual work I'm there to do.

This kind of "company policy" crap will pop up from time to time with businesses who are far too reactionary but will even out as Day Zero of the MeToo movement gets further and further away.

Then men will get too complacent, go back to their old ways and we'll be right back to where we started just as when this all flared up in the '90s. It's getting slightly better each time but it's likely we'll have at least two or three more of these movements in the next several decades before we actually get close to solving it.

Nice projecting. You're making a lot of progress, bud. Keep it up.

Projection gains weight if there's precedence.

Or haven't you heard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHiAls8loz4" data-time="

We've been here. This exact place. Back in the 90's. Most of you were too young to follow but I do remember school videos from those days and this piece by Oliver brought it all back.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I can blame them because it's just buying into sensationalism, like fearing plane crashes or shark attacks. The fear is illogical and not based in reality. No one knows anyone who was destroyed by fake rape allegations. There is no epidemic.

Funny you say this, one of my best friends is currently incarcerated over a rape allegation. Being his friend, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and believe him when he says it's not true and the story paints an incredibly out of character description of him anyways, but otherwise, the story has spread like wildfire among the community and it's unlikely he'll have a trial any time this year.
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Bio1590 posted...

Imagine being afraid of being in one-on-one meetings or situations with a woman in the workplace. That definitely says more about them than it does about anything else.

I've been vastly outnumbered by women in a all of my jobs and even accidentally touched a few boobs and I have yet to be accused of sexual assault and had my life destroyed.

These things exist, but everything exists. Likelihood is another thing and it just doesn't make sense to fear the unlikely.
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http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/12/lindsay-lohan-apologizes-for-controversial-metoo-comments-interview-look-weak/

Lindsay Lohan is backtracking on some eyebrow-raising comments she made about #MeToo -- calling women who speak out as looking "weak" -- and is setting the record straight.

LiLo issued a statement Sunday apologizing for her remarks and any harm inflicted. She says ... "The quote solely related to my hope that a handful of false testimonies out of a tsunami of heroic voices do not serve to dilute the importance of the #MeToo movement, and all of us who champion it."

She continues ... "However, I have since learned how statements like mine are seen as hurtful, which was never my intent. Im sorry for any pain I may have caused."

The original comment came out recently in a Times interview, in which she criticized some women for coming out with their stories of sexual abuse way after the fact -- rather than address it in the moment -- and added speaking out now made strong women "look weak."

She's clearing that up now though, insisting she has "the utmost respect and admiration for the women brave enough to come forward and speak out about their experiences."
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Lindsay Lohan should do porn.
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Lindsay Poonhan
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jborgan posted...

Ruid posted...

"This happened forever ago with no evidence or witnesses. Believe me or you're sexist."

Another new alt with that only makes worthless comments. How original.

Is he wrong?
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Muffinz0rz posted...

jborgan posted...

Ruid posted...

"This happened forever ago with no evidence or witnesses. Believe me or you're sexist."

Another new alt with that only makes worthless comments. How original.

Is he wrong?

He's right
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This board is full of awful people
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I4NRulez posted...

This board is full of awful people

So is every board tho.
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