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ledbowman
08/11/18 12:10:27 PM
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B0bSaget posted...
Antifar posted...
B0bSaget posted...
Punching him made his cause seem legitimate.

To who? Spencer himself has credited antifa with making his rallies less successful.

To everyone. While its not like Spencer wasnt already a controversial figure, that just gave him even more attention. While they might disrupt his individual gatherings, theyre still helping to keep him in the spotlight.

Richard Spencer is finished.
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ultimate reaver
08/11/18 12:16:00 PM
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Punching Richard spencer has not lead to legitimizing him towards anyone except those already predisposed to listen to him
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FrisbeeDude
08/11/18 12:17:52 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Its widely documented that Neo-Nazis have infiltrated most every police department around the country. This sadly is to be expected.

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A Novel Idea
08/11/18 12:22:16 PM
#55:


ultimate reaver posted...
Punching Richard spencer has not lead to legitimizing him towards anyone except those already predisposed to listen to him


The no platform strategy against Richard Spencer worked wonders. Hes a meme, he just moved out of his town this past week after a year of persistent protests, and theres this:

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/17/richard-spencer-college-tour-antifa-alt-right/
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Alphamon
08/11/18 12:24:33 PM
#56:


Richard Spencer didn't even need to exist to win. Fox News gave him a victory.
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Zikten
08/11/18 12:25:41 PM
#57:


I never even heard of Spencer until he got punched
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ledbowman
08/11/18 12:31:16 PM
#58:


GregShmedley posted...
ledbowman posted...
Antifa deflection failed!


Yikes. How old are we again?

It's very telling that you take issue with pointing out that Antifa is a shitty group with shitty tactics. No one is defending Nazis. No one is excusing their behavior.

But I also suspect you're trolling tbh.

You got in a twist about Antifa while I'm shitting on Nazis and not defending Antifa. Seems like defense or deflection. Pretty suspect either way, troll.
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HiddenLurker
08/11/18 12:31:25 PM
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Not the police fault they gotta be the adult in this kiddy situation. If the idiots can't keep their hands to themselves the police gotta do it then.
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Nomadic View
08/11/18 12:32:51 PM
#60:


Tyranthraxus posted...
CyricZ posted...
They don't get to choose which American citizens they protect and who not to

A huge court case a while back determined that the police do not have an obligation to protect anyone.


You have no constitutional right to police protection. States may expand the rights of citizens, but not limit them. There may be some liability on a civil level, but youre right that there is no constitutional argument.
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Antifar
08/11/18 12:33:08 PM
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ASithLord7
08/11/18 12:34:21 PM
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Remember when zikten made multiple topics saying the murderer was just fleeing for his life from violent antifa who were throwing themselves at his car

And later got two alts banned for posting swastikas
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ledbowman
08/11/18 12:37:20 PM
#64:


GregShmedley posted...
ledbowman posted...
GregShmedley posted...
ledbowman posted...
Antifa deflection failed!


Yikes. How old are we again?

It's very telling that you take issue with pointing out that Antifa is a shitty group with shitty tactics. No one is defending Nazis. No one is excusing their behavior.

But I also suspect you're trolling tbh.

You got in a twist about Antifa while I'm shitting on Nazis and not defending Antifa. Seems like defense or deflection. Pretty suspect either way, troll.


That...wasn't how this exchange started at all. But I think you knew that.

We really need a board where people can actually have civilized discourse and weed out people who respond like a spoiled five year old that missed the ice cream truck.

Whatever man. People can read the thread.
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hockeybub89
08/11/18 12:41:56 PM
#65:


GregShmedley posted...
ledbowman posted...
B0bSaget posted...
Im not defending anything else they do. I just say it is dumb to act like one person from their group committing an act of murder is something to bring up every single time it is talked about. Thats the kind of poorly thought out argument that ends up lending credence to their cause.

Oh please shut the fuck up.


He isn't wrong.

What is with this board and users throwing tantrums every time Antifa is criticized?

"Antifa is violent and attacks people at random just for being right wingers and not Nazis."

"BUT CHARLOTTESVILLE!!!!!"

You are either biased, dishonest, or just haven't been paying attention to the past three years of Antfa randomly attacking people simply for being right wing/Trump supporters. Bringing up the shithead that killed Heather Heyer doesn't somehow excuse or even make Antifa's tactics less disgusting.

If we're keeping score, white nationalist have quite a lead on the disgusting board. They have quite the body count on Antifa or any far-leftists. Vandalism and basic assault is quite different than murders and the distinction is meaningful. It's all bad, but it's disingenuous to try and turn it into a "Same thing, both sides" argument when it is demonstrably false.

It's like if I was a bank robber and I tried to silence my critics by pointing out that they break traffic laws.
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ReignFury
08/11/18 1:05:28 PM
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Anyone got the live updates on the body count score? Last I saw the Nazis had a significant lead
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 1:48:12 PM
#67:


E32005 posted...
thelovefist posted...
Hexenherz posted...
is this a gimmick or something

It's literally ROD, so yes.

I marked him


please don't quote people in my ignore list pl0x
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Villain
08/11/18 1:50:02 PM
#68:


ReignFury posted...
Anyone got the live updates on the body count score? Last I saw the Nazis had a significant lead

I'll post my tally when I get home from work.
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soulunison2
08/11/18 1:51:13 PM
#69:


ASithLord7 posted...
Remember when zikten made multiple topics saying the murderer was just fleeing for his life from violent antifa who were throwing themselves at his car

And later got two alts banned for posting swastikas

I knew that kid wasnt right
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Villain
08/11/18 1:52:43 PM
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Kid? He's got to be in his 30s right?
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soulunison2
08/11/18 1:53:14 PM
#71:


Villain posted...
Kid? He's got to be in his 30s right?


Holy shitttttt

Lmaooool I though he was some ignorant 16 year old
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SRR Capdown
08/11/18 1:53:32 PM
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I don't really see this as the police protecting the white nationalists, but as a waynof controlling them and trying to prevent them from causing trouble.

They do it here in the UK when groups like the EDL rally and march. The police will corden them off and or march around them and no one interprets it as the police are protecting them, more like they're scumbags who are prone to doing scummy things, so we're going to try and stop that from happening.
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 1:55:14 PM
#73:


ClunkerSlim posted...
CyricZ posted...
The police have a commitment to public safety. They don't get to choose which American citizens they protect and who not to, no matter how foul their beliefs.

Nailed it.
Lock the thread.
Its over.


exactly!

It's not up to them to say "these people here are coming to cause violence and hate, so let's selectively protect them from the very victims who are trying to fight back"

I'm with you. What kind of depraved freak thinks "these nazis are coming. Last time they beat up people, shot at people and ran over a crowd, killing a woman in the process. QUICK! We need to protect those nazis and not the victims ^_^"?
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 1:58:12 PM
#74:


HiddenLurker posted...
Not the police fault they gotta be the adult in this kiddy situation. If the idiots can't keep their hands to themselves the police gotta do it then.


"Let's protect the nazis from the victims!" is not called being an adult
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ScazarMeltex
08/11/18 2:07:30 PM
#75:


The Southern Poverty Law Center has a fairly comprehensive listing of terrorist plots, both successful and unsuccessful, and yes the right's body count extremely high.
https://www.splcenter.org/20151101/terror-right
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creativerealms
08/11/18 2:16:41 PM
#77:


Fake news.
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HiddenLurker
08/11/18 2:21:22 PM
#78:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Not the police fault they gotta be the adult in this kiddy situation. If the idiots can't keep their hands to themselves the police gotta do it then.


"Let's protect the nazis from the victims!" is not called being an adult


"She deserved to be raped for wearing skimpy cloths!"
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Solid Snake07
08/11/18 2:24:57 PM
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They aren't there to protect either side. They're there to maintain order
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Unknown860
08/11/18 2:26:28 PM
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Just a bunch of Ant-Americans on the right looking after Anti-Americans, so much disrespect for the world war 2 veterans.
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hockeybub89
08/11/18 2:28:56 PM
#81:


Unknown860 posted...
Just a bunch of Ant-Americans

Literally the worst
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Mistere Man
08/11/18 2:29:56 PM
#82:


hockeybub89 posted...
Unknown860 posted...
Just a bunch of Ant-Americans

Literally the worst

Hide the sugar cubes!
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UnfairRepresent
08/11/18 2:31:54 PM
#83:


Solid Snake07 posted...
They aren't there to protect either side. They're there to maintain order

I don't get why people can't understand this

It's like they want emotional rioters to fight each other
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Vegy
08/11/18 2:33:04 PM
#84:


Whats so surprising about police protecting nazis? dey all love trump lol
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ASithLord7
08/11/18 2:50:34 PM
#85:


soulunison2 posted...
Villain posted...
Kid? He's got to be in his 30s right?


Holy shitttttt

Lmaooool I though he was some ignorant 16 year old

Hes like 41 iirc. According to him.
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RainShower
08/11/18 3:37:39 PM
#86:


american racist doing what they do.law enforcement,judges,lawyers,doctors,etc,once you people leave your jobs,you put your hooded sheets on and pull out the torches and guns.
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Solid Snake07
08/11/18 3:38:48 PM
#87:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
They aren't there to protect either side. They're there to maintain order

I don't get why people can't understand this

It's like they want emotional rioters to fight each other


Cause people are fucking dumb
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 3:42:02 PM
#88:


HiddenLurker posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Not the police fault they gotta be the adult in this kiddy situation. If the idiots can't keep their hands to themselves the police gotta do it then.


"Let's protect the nazis from the victims!" is not called being an adult


"She deserved to be raped for wearing skimpy cloths!"


terrible analogy. 'She was shoving her vagina into this 10 yr old boy's face and then touching him inappropriately, let's give her protection from prosecution and charge the boy" is more like it.

It's called clothes, not cloths, by the way. I know Russian is your first language, but try to keep up, tovarisch
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 3:42:58 PM
#89:


ASithLord7 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Villain posted...
Kid? He's got to be in his 30s right?


Holy shitttttt

Lmaooool I though he was some ignorant 16 year old

Hes like 41 iirc. According to him.


41?! Is he a lovefist alt? He is also in his 40s and embraces such causes
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Grischnak
08/11/18 4:05:21 PM
#90:


Solid Snake07 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
They aren't there to protect either side. They're there to maintain order

I don't get why people can't understand this

It's like they want emotional rioters to fight each other


Cause people are fucking dumb


Very dumb. I mean, both Antifa and Unite the Right are scum and I'm not on the side of either but having a giant melee in the streets would hardly be a good thing for anyone. Especially the innocent people of Charlottesville. You have to be a special kind of idiot to be against the police having a presence in this situation.
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southcoast09
08/11/18 4:06:52 PM
#91:


Antifar posted...
Did you see Portland last weekend? This is part for the course

What happened?
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HiddenLurker
08/11/18 6:09:38 PM
#92:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Not the police fault they gotta be the adult in this kiddy situation. If the idiots can't keep their hands to themselves the police gotta do it then.


"Let's protect the nazis from the victims!" is not called being an adult


"She deserved to be raped for wearing skimpy cloths!"


terrible analogy. 'She was shoving her vagina into this 10 yr old boy's face and then touching him inappropriately, let's give her protection from prosecution and charge the boy" is more like it.

It's called clothes, not cloths, by the way. I know Russian is your first language, but try to keep up, tovarisch

Oh now calling me a Russian troll after literally wishing for violent riots to happen.
LOL Captain America phony
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 6:17:04 PM
#93:


HiddenLurker posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Not the police fault they gotta be the adult in this kiddy situation. If the idiots can't keep their hands to themselves the police gotta do it then.


"Let's protect the nazis from the victims!" is not called being an adult


"She deserved to be raped for wearing skimpy cloths!"


terrible analogy. 'She was shoving her vagina into this 10 yr old boy's face and then touching him inappropriately, let's give her protection from prosecution and charge the boy" is more like it.

It's called clothes, not cloths, by the way. I know Russian is your first language, but try to keep up, tovarisch

Oh now calling me a Russian troll after literally wishing for violent riots to happen.
LOL Captain America phony


THIS is the one thing you got from the post? lmao
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Villain
08/11/18 6:46:31 PM
#95:


As promised:

Americans killed by the Alt Right/Nazis in 2017:

Heather Heyer
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-heather-heyer-profile/index.html

Taliesin Namkai Meche
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/max_stabbing_victim_attended_r_1.html#incart_big-photo

Ricky Best
http://taskandpurpose.com/ricky-best-one-2-men-killed-portland-stabbing-army-veteran/

Richard Collins III
https://www.thenation.com/article/lynching-university-maryland-campus/

Timothy Caughman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Timothy_Caughman

Srinivas Kuchibhotla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Olathe,_Kansas_shooting

Casey Marquez & Francisco Fernandez
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-school-shooter-had-secret-life-on-pro-trump-white-supremacy-sites

Charles Davis
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/10/23/alt-righter-seattle4truth-charged-killing-father-over-conspiracy-theories

Officer Zackari Parrish
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/01/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-military-record/index.html

Buckley Kuhn-Fricker & Scott Fricker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-charged-with-killing-girlfriends-parents-they-had-worried-he-was-a-neo-nazi/2017/12/23/e2102894-e761-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?utm_term=.32ba34f2ae29

Ibrahima Barry, Mamadou Tanou Barry, Khaled Belkacemi, Aboubaker Thabti, Abdelkrim Hassane, and Azzedine Soufiane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City_mosque_shooting
These victims are Canadian but the killer follows the ideology of the alt right

Americans killed by Antifa in 2017:

Americans killed by the Alt Right/Nazis in 2018:

Blaze Bernstein
https://www.haaretz.com/blaze-bernstein-murder-suspect-displayed-hate-on-social-media-1.5751372

The 17 Victims of the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting:
Alyssa Alhadeff, Scott Beigel, Martin Duque, Nicholas Dworet, Aaron Feis, Jaime Guttenberg,
Chris Hixon, Luke Hoyer, Cara Loughran, Gina Montalto, Joaquin Oliver, Alaina Petty,
Meadow Pollack, Helena Ramsay, Alex Schachter, Carmen Schentrup, and Peter Wang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

The 10 Victims of the Santa Fe High School Shooting:
Jared Conard Black, Shana Fisher, Christian Riley Garcia, Aaron Kyle McLeod, Glenda Anne Perkins,
Angelique Ramirez, Sabika Sheikh, Christopher Stone, Cynthia Tisdale, and Kimberly Vaughan
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612286146/shooting-reported-at-high-school-near-houston

Sherell L. Lewis Jr
https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/motorist-brags-about-running-over-some-n-r-on-snapchat/

The 5 Victims of the Annapolis Capital Shooting
Gerald Fischman, Rob Hiaasen, John McNamara, Rebecca Smith, and Wendi Winters
https://bluestatedaily.com/accused-annapolis-shooter-jarrod-ramos-was-inspired-by-the-alt-right-report/

Americans killed by Antifa in 2018:
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Grischnak
08/11/18 7:56:23 PM
#96:


GregShmedley posted...
@hockeybub89 posted...
If we're keeping score, white nationalist have quite a lead on the disgusting board. They have quite the body count on Antifa or any far-leftists. Vandalism and basic assault is quite different than murders and the distinction is meaningful. It's all bad, but it's disingenuous to try and turn it into a "Same thing, both sides" argument when it is demonstrably false.

It's like if I was a bank robber and I tried to silence my critics by pointing out that they break traffic laws.


Come on man. "Basic assault?" What does that even mean? Your post really comes off as trying to downplay their violence. Even your analogy is extremely dishonest.

It isn't even about "keeping score." But both sides are shitty here--this is just a fact. If a group of people enter a political rally and randomly start attacking the demonstrators under the guise of them being Nazis (when they aren't), they are terrible people and deserve to called out.

Just because group A is less shitty than group B, that doesn't mean you can deflect to the shittier side anytime group A is criticized, which is what my post is about. Deflecting to Nazis whenever Antifa is rightfully criticized is no different than deflecting to Antifa when Nazis are rightfully criticized.


What do you expect? We live in an era where certain people think that someone can tweet "#killallwhitepeople" and not be racist while someone else tweeting "abolishing ICE is a bad idea" means said person is racist Nazi scum. There is little consistency or objective thought in modern political discussions.
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ASithLord7
08/11/18 8:32:29 PM
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Literally muh both sides-ing Nazis
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BJ-blazkowics
08/11/18 8:56:36 PM
#100:


GregShmedley posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Literally muh both sides-ing Nazis


Come on, dude. I know you can actually read. Stop with this dishonest nonsense.

Man, why is it so hard for grown ass men on this board to conduct themselves as such?


another nazi defender
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FrisbeeDude
08/11/18 9:05:04 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Literally muh both sides-ing Nazis

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