Current Events > RIP Dishonored. Another immersive sim franchise is now 'resting'

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https://www.vg247.com/2018/08/14/arkane-dishonored-3-the-crossing/

As for the studios most popular series, Dishonored, it seems like it might be a while before we see another, if we do at all. With Arkanes assassination series, the story came to a natural conclusion with the last release, Death of the Outsider.

I cant say definitively what might happen down the road, anything could happen, but [Dishonored] is resting for now, Bare tells me. As far as pure immersive sims go, I dont know if were going to continue to make like carbon copy this qualifies as an immersive sim and its the only thing were ever going to make.

The things that are important to us as a studio are coherent, deep world building and environmental storytelling were always going to craft spaces that you feel like youre visiting, whether its Dunwall or Talos 1. Its just as important a character as the player or the people you meet. Then its improvisational gameplay giving players a bunch of cool abilities and tools, then saying, You figure it out, you be creative, you own the experience. And, typically, we stick to first-person, though thats not a hard rule and we might try other things from time to time.

Bunking in with Deus Ex no doubt. At least Arkane isn't leaving the genre although it seems like their next game will be multiplayer.

I hope Hitman 2 sells well otherwise this genre is basically dead.
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I remember first reading about Dishonored in Game Informer, man I was so hyped. Then I saw it and lost all interest immediately.
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:(
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Sucks, I really like the series and the only thing I have left to play is Death of the Outsider.

I hope they at least replace it with something similar.
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Burgess posted...

I remember first reading about Dishonored in Game Informer, man I was so hyped. Then I saw it and lost all interest immediately.

But it's awesome.
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fan357 posted...

Burgess posted...

I remember first reading about Dishonored in Game Informer, man I was so hyped. Then I saw it and lost all interest immediately.

But it's awesome.

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fan357 posted...

Burgess posted...

I remember first reading about Dishonored in Game Informer, man I was so hyped. Then I saw it and lost all interest immediately.

But it's awesome.

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Prey was also awesome and criminally overlooked
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Dishonored wrapped up pretty well. I don't even see how there could be another one after Death of the Outsider.

good series but milking it would ruin it.

Shall we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?
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Shotgunnova posted...

Shall we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?

Never doubt it.
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Hopefully they won't take too long to bring Dishonored stuff back. It almost feels like the same problem the Witcher's having, where the saga that drew everyone in and got them invested...is now ending and they have to decide where to go next.
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Didn't Dishonored 2 bomb?
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I think it underperformed, yeah. It was still great in many ways -- the 4th and 7th missions are some of the best in this generation -- but it didn't have the same atmosphere as the first game.
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Yeah as far as I know Dishonored 1 beat expectations and was a reasonably good hit but D2 was a flop. No idea what they expected with Death of the Outsider.
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I played and enjoyed the first one, but felt like I got enough out of the series there. I might try Dishonored 2 eventually, but it's really low on my list of games I want to play.
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Snack posted...

good series but milking it would ruin it.

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what was so bad about dishonored 2? first game was great
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Romulox28 posted...

what was so bad about dishonored 2? first game was great

It had a bunch of technical issues that hamstrung it on launch, at least on PC
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I loved the first one and hated the 2nd one.
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Darmik posted...

I hope Hitman 2 sells well otherwise this genre is basically dead.

It better. That franchise overshadowed the chances of Freedom Fighters ever getting a sequel.
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Vicious_Dios posted...

Darmik posted...

I hope Hitman 2 sells well otherwise this genre is basically dead.

It better. That franchise overshadowed the chances of Freedom Fighters ever getting a sequel.

Huh? What's the relation?
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-Give player tools to have fun
-Punish them for playing the game
Good riddance
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i didn't see the appeal after playing the 1st.

Darmik posted...

https://www.vg247.com/2018/08/14/arkane-dishonored-3-the-crossing/

As for the studios most popular series, Dishonored, it seems like it might be a while before we see another, if we do at all. With Arkanes assassination series, the story came to a natural conclusion with the last release, Death of the Outsider.

I cant say definitively what might happen down the road, anything could happen, but [Dishonored] is resting for now, Bare tells me. As far as pure immersive sims go, I dont know if were going to continue to make like carbon copy this qualifies as an immersive sim and its the only thing were ever going to make.

The things that are important to us as a studio are coherent, deep world building and environmental storytelling were always going to craft spaces that you feel like youre visiting, whether its Dunwall or Talos 1. Its just as important a character as the player or the people you meet. Then its improvisational gameplay giving players a bunch of cool abilities and tools, then saying, You figure it out, you be creative, you own the experience. And, typically, we stick to first-person, though thats not a hard rule and we might try other things from time to time.

Bunking in with Deus Ex no doubt. At least Arkane isn't leaving the genre although it seems like their next game will be multiplayer.

I hope Hitman 2 sells well otherwise this genre is basically dead.

Hitman 2 is looking so fucking good too. They keep showing off the new levels. It's insane. Miami, with a racecar track, formula one style. People love it because you can kill people as the stig from top gear lol
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Doe posted...

-Give player tools to have fun
-Punish them for playing the game
Good riddance

I despised this.
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Darmik posted...

Prey was also awesome and criminally overlooked

This.
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St0rmFury posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Darmik posted...

I hope Hitman 2 sells well otherwise this genre is basically dead.

It better. That franchise overshadowed the chances of Freedom Fighters ever getting a sequel.

Huh? What's the relation?

IO Interactive made Hitman and Freedom Fighters. But I believe Freedom Fighters was killed off for Kane and Lynch lol. No idea if IOI still have the rights or if Square-Enix kept them.

Doe posted...

-Give player tools to have fun
-Punish them for playing the game
Good riddance

The hate for the evil ending is overrated.

Yeah killing everyone around you would probably make the city into a shithole and would mean you're playing a ruthless character.
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Darmik posted...

Yeah killing everyone around you would probably make the city into a shithole and would mean you're playing a ruthless character.

It is fucking pre school tier design lesson to not punish the player for playing the game. It's a videogame about killing people where 90% of abilities are lethal and the game sabotages your satisfaction upon completion because you played with the abilities it offered you. Whoever thought that up doesn't belong in game development
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Doe posted...

Darmik posted...

Yeah killing everyone around you would probably make the city into a shithole and would mean you're playing a ruthless character.

It is fucking pre school tier design lesson to not punish the player for playing the game. It's a videogame about killing people where 90% of abilities are lethal and the game sabotages your satisfaction upon completion because you played with the abilities it offered you. Whoever thought that up doesn't belong in game development

It's only about killing people if you want it to be about killing people.

Immersive sims are all about having options. It's up to you if you want to use them.

You can still kill plenty of people and get the good ending btw
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Honestly, it came out of the tail end of the whole "FPRPG in a semi-open world trend", and I was already burnt out, so I never gave a chance. Too bad, I heard it was pretty good.

The chaos system was fine, and it made sense in the context of the game

Don't be a whiny baby
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I always saw the chaos system as the game adjusting its difficulty according to the way you played. I figured stealth was more difficult than straight murder hobo, so the game compensated the easier time the hobo had with more enemies.
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All i want is another Deus Ex tbh.

You want a good stealth game with powers that are inspired, rewarding and the game doesn't hate you forever for daring to use them? Play Styx. 50x the game dishonored ever was. Freaking stealth game where you can't beat down a horde of megazords with a supersoaker and a twizzlers.
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Darksaber310 posted...

You want a good stealth game with powers that are inspired, rewarding and the game doesn't hate you forever for daring to use them? Play Styx. 50x the game dishonored ever was. Freaking stealth game where you can't beat down a horde of megazords with a supersoaker and a twizzlers.

If I had to pick one, which would you recommend?
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I picked up Dishonored 2 on Black Friday for like 15 bucks but I still haven't played it :/
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Darksaber310 posted...

Play Styx. 50x the game dishonored ever was.

I got bored after an hour.
Not a bad game, but not particularly inspiring.
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Doe posted...

Darmik posted...

Yeah killing everyone around you would probably make the city into a shithole and would mean you're playing a ruthless character.

It is fucking pre school tier design lesson to not punish the player for playing the game. It's a videogame about killing people where 90% of abilities are lethal and the game sabotages your satisfaction upon completion because you played with the abilities it offered you. Whoever thought that up doesn't belong in game development

What punishment is there? Who actually cares what ending you get? Killing people is fun, so I'm going to kill people. I couldn't give any less of a fuck what ending I get. And I say this as someone who cares about Dishonored's story. People who bring the ending garbage up act like it completely invalidates the gameplay, which is the actual most important aspect of the game.

By the way Dishonored 2 actually does give the player more options to play without killing people. A lot more. I agree that the lack of non-lethal options is a big flaw of the first game. Playing non-lethally in the sequel is much more fun.
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St0rmFury posted...

Darksaber310 posted...

You want a good stealth game with powers that are inspired, rewarding and the game doesn't hate you forever for daring to use them? Play Styx. 50x the game dishonored ever was. Freaking stealth game where you can't beat down a horde of megazords with a supersoaker and a twizzlers.

If I had to pick one, which would you recommend?

Dishonored. Styx feels really floaty and weird
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Was anyone expecting more Dishonored any time soon? That story has been told. Anything else would be just an unrelated tale in the same universe.
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Honestly I'm kinda glad.

Dishonored had a laundry list of faults and I'd rather they leave it and do something new rather than keep milking a dead cow

I'd take 2 decent flawed games over 5 bad ones

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

What punishment is there? Who actually cares what ending you get? Killing people is fun, so I'm going to kill people. I couldn't give any less of a fuck what ending I get. And I say this as someone who cares about Dishonored's story. People who bring the ending garbage up act like it completely invalidates the gameplay, which is the actual most important aspect of the game.

I don't agree with this at all.
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I agree with Doe's post about the original Dishonored but picked up the second because I heard:

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

By the way Dishonored 2 actually does give the player more options to play without killing people. A lot more. I agree that the lack of non-lethal options is a big flaw of the first game. Playing non-lethally in the sequel is much more fun.

Haven't gotten around to it yet though.
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And now that I'm on PC, I don't think it can be compared with Deux Ex. Mankind Divided dropped the ball. Really. Fucking. Hard. And there's still more Deus Ex story to tell, and I hope to god they do it right.

Dishonored is at a natural end.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Was anyone expecting more Dishonored any time soon? That story has been told. Anything else would be just an unrelated tale in the same universe.

You say that like it's a bad thing. The plot surrounding Corvo, Emily, and friends is definitely finished. But the universe is interesting enough to continue on at some point. If it's 5-10 years from now, that's okay. But I would be disappointed if the franchise was permanently shelved.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

And now that I'm on PC, I don't think it can be compared with Deux Ex. Mankind Divided dropped the ball. Really. Fucking. Hard. And there's still more Deus Ex story to tell, and I hope to god they do it right.

Dishonored is at a natural end.

They're comparable because all of the big immersive sim games from the last few years haven't sold very well. Which is the main reason we're seeing developers move away from them. Hitman and Prey are also other examples.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

And now that I'm on PC, I don't think it can be compared with Deux Ex. Mankind Divided dropped the ball. Really. Fucking. Hard.

What didn't you like about Mankind Divided?
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AlleyViper620 posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

And now that I'm on PC, I don't think it can be compared with Deux Ex. Mankind Divided dropped the ball. Really. Fucking. Hard.

What didn't you like about Mankind Divided?

Very short
abbrut end
weak plot
lack of boss fights
claustrophobic hud and fov
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Romulox28 posted...

what was so bad about dishonored 2? first game was great

It came out at a bad time. Just like Wolfenstein 2 underperformed due to coming out the same day as Assassins Creed Origins and Mario Odyssey.
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