Poll of the Day > So what if when Thanos... (spoilers)

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So what if when he snapped his fingers, he created a duplicate of the universe, and transported half the people to it?
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What kind of answer do you want to this
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What if he did?
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already saw this on reddit
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They'd all be like whooooaaaa
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He would've told everyone that was his goal from the very beginning and less people would be against the idea. Unless he did it by accident.

Peter's spider sense making him feel sick before fading away goes against that idea.
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This is as dumb as the argument that Thanos could just double all the resources of the current universe, both violate the same law of conservation of mass.

That is unless you mean for Thanos to just make a seperate but bad universe with nothing in it for people to die in which is a lot more cruel then just making them vanish away.
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aHappySacka posted...

This is as dumb as the argument that Thanos could just double all the resources of the current universe, both violate the same the law of conservation of mass.

That is unless you mean for Thanos to just make a seperate but bad universe with nothing in it for people to die in which is a lot more cruel then just making them vanish away.

I'm fairly confident the infinity stones are strong independent stones who don't need no natural law
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aHappySacka posted...

This is as dumb as the argument that Thanos could just double all the resources of the current universe, both violate the same the law of conservation of mass.

When you have an artifact that literally gives you the power of a God, there's no such thing as "laws". When Thanos wears the Gauntlet, "conservation of mass" only exists if he wants it to exist.

Definitely by the bounds of the Gauntlet in the comics, it would be entirely plausible to double the amount of resources in the universe or to create entire new universes (especially since Marvel is already a multiverse with a near-infinite number of universes existing in parallel as is).

In the movie setting, the only real plausible argument why Thanos wouldn't necessarily think to create new resources rather than eliminating people is because he assumes more resources would just lead people to breed even more, until the population stabilizes again and the same problem starts all over again.

But the thing to keep in mind is, Thanos in the movies is also kind of a broken individual carrying around a lot of backstory emotional damage, so it's not as if he's thinking 100% rationally in his solution regardless. He's just latched onto what he considers to be the only viable solution, and is single-mindedly pursuing it without really considering other options.

If anything, the fact that all of the heroes just assume he's a villain by default and never even remotely try to reason with him or understand his point-of-view means he's never really presented with any viable alternatives anyway. Maybe if the Avengers had tried to talk to him rather than just punch him into submission, they could have stopped him from doing what he did.


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I don't think anyone could have convinced Thanos to change his mind. But they could have at least tried.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

In the movie setting, the only real plausible argument why Thanos wouldn't necessarily think to create new resources rather than eliminating people is because he assumes more resources would just lead people to breed even more, until the population stabilizes again and the same problem starts all over again.

Either that or doing so had the risk of a butterfly effect that could end up in something worse than half of the life in the universe being erased.

Metalsonic66 posted...

I don't think anyone could have convinced Thanos to change his mind. But they could have at least tried.

I'm sure if stark mentioned something along the lines of creating technology to deal with the resource issue, Thanos could have possibly be convinced; even if it meant using the stones to help tony out
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What if the half was selected at random and thanos randomly erased himself too
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Infinity War has such a shit plot and such a shit character as the antagonist. If he has all that power, he'd just instead make unlimited resources.

Of course, I don't know all the lore and if that can't be done because there's some sort of limit to the universe in the MCU, but for real, Thanos didn't need to make 50% of life not exist.

Lokarin posted...

What if the half was selected at random and thanos randomly erased himself too

That would be funny.

GanglyKhan posted...

Infinity War has such a shit plot and such a shit character as the antagonist. If he has all that power, he'd just instead make unlimited resources.

Of course, I don't know all the lore and if that can't be done because there's some sort of limit to the universe in the MCU, but for real, Thanos didn't need to make 50% of life not exist.

honestly Thanos from the comics just wanted to wipe out life so he could bang death.

As far as the movie goes, I don't understand a lot of the following:

Why didn't hiemdal just bifrost thanos into space? or into a star?
Why is there really only one good outcome?
Couldn't Dr. Strange use his fancy portals to just cut off thanos's arm?
Why didn't Dr. Strange use the time stone? Surely there was actually more than one solution where they win.
Why didn't Loki use the tesserect to GTFO with his buddies?
Why didn't vision use his mind stone to do that weird mind control thing?
How are they finding the locations of the stones so easy? Do they have like a dragonball radar for infinity stones?
What was Thor doing in the few minutes when Thanos appeared and just wrecked everyone? surely he could have stepped in sooner
Why didn't Dr. Strange just drop the time stone in an infinite time loop to keep it safe?
Why did Gamora go directly to where thanos would be, instead of the exact opposite direction?
Does vision have a penis?

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CarefreeDude posted...

honestly Thanos from the comics just wanted to wipe out life so he could bang death.

So.... Darkseid?
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Lokarin posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

honestly Thanos from the comics just wanted to wipe out life so he could bang death.

So.... Darkseid?

Doesnt Darkseid basically just want to be god and rule over everything?
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Lokarin posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

honestly Thanos from the comics just wanted to wipe out life so he could bang death.

So.... Darkseid?

No, I mean Thanos wants to have sex with Death and that's about it.
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CarefreeDude posted...

Why didn't hiemdal just bifrost thanos into space? or into a star?

.... good question. Maybe he knew it wouldn't work?

Couldn't Dr. Strange use his fancy portals to just cut off thanos's arm?

Can those actually do that?

How are they finding the locations of the stones so easy?

Their location were slowly figured out with each passing film in the past.

What was Thor doing in the few minutes when Thanos appeared and just wrecked everyone?

I assume he did and got beaten.

Why didn't Dr. Strange just drop the time stone in an infinite time loop to keep it safe?

Probably because...

Why didn't Dr. Strange use the time stone? Surely there was actually more than one solution where they win.

Are you sure he didn't? And no, he does mention that's the only way so...

I have no idea about the rest.

Lokarin posted...

What if the half was selected at random and thanos randomly erased himself too

The implication is very much that it absolutely was 100% random.

But Thanos almost certainly wouldn't have been one of the ones to go, because he was effectively "on the outside" interacting with the universe, not a part of it that would have been subject to the magic kill wish.


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CarefreeDude posted...

Why didn't hiemdal just bifrost thanos into space? or into a star?
Why is there really only one good outcome?
Couldn't Dr. Strange use his fancy portals to just cut off thanos's arm?
Why didn't Dr. Strange use the time stone? Surely there was actually more than one solution where they win.
Why didn't Loki use the tesserect to GTFO with his buddies?
Why didn't vision use his mind stone to do that weird mind control thing?
How are they finding the locations of the stones so easy? Do they have like a dragonball radar for infinity stones?
What was Thor doing in the few minutes when Thanos appeared and just wrecked everyone? surely he could have stepped in sooner
Why didn't Dr. Strange just drop the time stone in an infinite time loop to keep it safe?
Why did Gamora go directly to where thanos would be, instead of the exact opposite direction?
Does vision have a penis?

* Thanos already had one of the stones at that point, and probably would have been able to resist. Heimdall's cosmic awareness probably would have allowed him to be aware of that. Though even beyond that, there were other bad guys there who wouldn't necessarily have been stopped by getting rid of Thanos anyway. Also, "because the movie had to happen". Which is kind of the real answer for all of these questions.
* Because of how the myriad web of probability works. In the same sense that flipping a coin almost always results in either "head" or "tails", and sometimes "side" or even "falls down a grate and is eaten by a sewer crocodile", but never "the coin magically turns into a dove and flies away."
* Presumably no.
* He did use the Time Stone, and explicitly said that NO, there wasn't more than one single possible chain of events that will lead to eventual success. So that's not really negotiable fact.
* Because it doesn't necessarily work in a way that would have been useful, and he might have almost no idea how to use it without killing himself or firing them all someplace they really don't want to go. Remember, it's kind of explicitly spelled out in the setting that using any given stone without some form of moderating medium is kind of a recipe to getting yourself blown up.
* Because while it was part of his head, at no point did he ever really have any ability to use it in any meaningful way, or even as effectively as Loki did when it was still in the staff.
* Because Thanos has explicitly spent years searching the entire universe to track the stones down, until he had a pretty good idea where nearly all of them were. Especially since they've all been relatively active and blatantly revealed over the last decade or so. The only real exception is the Soul Stone, but he DID know that Gamora knew where it was. Learning that fact is what set the events of the movie into motion in the first place (ie, he wasn't going to try to gather the other 5 until he could get all 6 in fairly quick succession).
* At the end of the movie? Probably fighting off some of the other bad guys, considering there is a massive horde of them attacking.
* Because that's not how the stone works.
* Partly because they didn't actually know he was going to be there at the time, partly because she knows he's going to be able to find her no matter where she goes if he really wants to, so running and hiding aren't great answers anyway.
* Canonically, yes. In the comics, not only do he and Scarlet Witch bang, they actually have kids.


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I also have a question I've never seen asked about that movie.

What if Thanos was one of the unlucky 50% when he snapped his fingers? Or did he lie when he claimed it was completely random?

I thought they were going with his courtship to death from the avengers 1 after credits. The balance the universe thing is a cop out.

what if when he snapped his fingers he disappeared too
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streamofthesky posted...

I also have a question I've never seen asked about that movie.

What if Thanos was one of the unlucky 50% when he snapped his fingers? Or did he lie when he claimed it was completely random?

yeah that, apparently.
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streamofthesky posted...

I also have a question I've never seen asked about that movie.
What if Thanos was one of the unlucky 50% when he snapped his fingers? Or did he lie when he claimed it was completely random?

Nade Duck posted...

what if when he snapped his fingers he disappeared too

http://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76905921/906954628


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streamofthesky posted...

I also have a question I've never seen asked about that movie.

What if Thanos was one of the unlucky 50% when he snapped his fingers? Or did he lie when he claimed it was completely random?

This was already answered, but thinking about it for a moment, I call BS on the random thing. He probably have a certain amount of control over it. I do believe he left Stark alive on purpose out of respect for him, and I doubt he would let Gamora's fate to chance like this if she was still alive at the time.

Oh, another question

why does everyones clothes disappear too when they dust away? It would have been great if bucky dusted, his metal arm fell to the ground, and Rocket ran up to it and grabbed it and said YESSSSS
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aHappySacka posted...

This is as dumb as the argument that Thanos could just double all the resources of the current universe, both violate the same law of conservation of mass.

He actually could if they used the comic book version instead of some shitty gimped movie version just for dramatic effect.
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A lot of people have actually asked if Thanos snapped himself to death. Some people say he did get picked, but the soul stone saved him. Which means he technically did not wipe half the universe.

As for why he didn't just create more resources, he was already wiping half the population of the planets he came across before acquiring the infinity gauntlet. It'd be unfair for him to suddenly double the resources while leaving all the people he killed dead. Doubling resources would also mean increasing planet sizes, which could cause issues itself.

But he probably didn't think of all that.
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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Doubling resources would also mean increasing planet sizes, which could cause issues itself.

Going back in time and created more dust around the stars so it became more and bigger planets would be an issue?
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I just thought those who got turned to dust ended up trapped inside the soul stone(the place where Thanos visited when he was "killed"). I'd assume they are going to be brought back be either the soul stone being destroyed or time travel. The later of the two could make the entire film pointless.
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SpeedDemon20 posted...

Doubling resources would also mean increasing planet sizes

Citation needed.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I just thought those who got turned to dust ended up trapped inside the soul stone(the place where Thanos visited when he was "killed"). I'd assume they are going to be brought back be either the soul stone being destroyed or time travel. The later of the two could make the entire film pointless.

It seems like scenes that have been filmed almost guarantee time travel, but honestly, the easiest way to undo all of the deaths is just to get the Gauntlet and have someone use it to undo all the deaths.

In the comics Thanos killed half the universe in issue one of the mini-series, and literally every single thing he did with the Gauntlet was undone in issue six when Nebula got her hands on it. I assume the movies will almost certainly do something similar.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

In the comics Thanos killed half the universe in issue one of the mini-series, and literally every single thing he did with the Gauntlet was undone in issue six when Nebula got her hands on it. I assume the movies will almost certainly do something similar.

That's what I'm thinking too. It seems a given. You're right though just using the Gauntlet would be easy enough to undo everything he's done thus making infinity war pointless. Strange said there was only one way they could win too so it's all part of the plan.
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Wow, thanks for spoiling the movie for me... I thought this was something about the comics.
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Zeus posted...

Wow, thanks for spoiling the movie for me... I thought this was something about the comics.

You are not a smart man

Zeus posted...

Wow, thanks for spoiling the movie for me... I thought this was something about the comics.

I mean it said spoilers in the topic title and this topic does cover both. Still your own fault for clicking on it if you're being serious.
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You know, the movie is based on the comics...
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Foppe posted...

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Doubling resources would also mean increasing planet sizes, which could cause issues itself.

Going back in time and created more dust around the stars so it became more and bigger planets would be an issue?

If planets were to have double the resources they have, they would end up having double their mass which would result in doubling their gravity force. Not only life could become impossible in such environment, but the whole gravitational balance of the universe would be broken.

VixYW posted...

Foppe posted...

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Doubling resources would also mean increasing planet sizes, which could cause issues itself.

Going back in time and created more dust around the stars so it became more and bigger planets would be an issue?

If planets were to have double the resources they have, they would end up having double their mass which would result in doubling their gravity force. Not only life could become impossible in such environment, but the whole gravitational balance of the universe would be broken.

*uses glove to change how the Higgs boson particle works*
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Foppe posted...

VixYW posted...

Foppe posted...

SpeedDemon20 posted...

Doubling resources would also mean increasing planet sizes, which could cause issues itself.

Going back in time and created more dust around the stars so it became more and bigger planets would be an issue?

If planets were to have double the resources they have, they would end up having double their mass which would result in doubling their gravity force. Not only life could become impossible in such environment, but the whole gravitational balance of the universe would be broken.

*uses glove to change how the Higgs boson particle works*

Even if the glove gives you the power to do so, you would have to come up with a new consistent system. Then again, I guess you could revive genius physicians to help you out, but still seems like an unreliable and dangerous method.

VixYW posted...

Even if the glove gives you the power to do so

It does.

VixYW posted...

you would have to come up with a new consistent system. Then again, I guess you could revive genius physicians to help you out, but still seems like an unreliable and dangerous method.

Thanos only need to think "make it so" and the universe will recreate itself to make it work.
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Foppe posted...

VixYW posted...

you would have to come up with a new consistent system. Then again, I guess you could revive genius physicians to help you out, but still seems like an unreliable and dangerous method.

Thanos only need to think "make it so" and the universe will recreate itself to make it work.

It can work that way? How convenient. I guess being a god is easier than I thought. XD

VixYW posted...

It can work that way? How convenient. I guess being a god is easier than I thought. XD

Remember, being God basically means omnipotence, but it also means omniscience.

And generally omnipresence as well.

It was implied in the comics that the only real limitation on someone with the Gauntlet is that they have to adjust to their new abilities slowly over time. Unlimited power comes easiest, but unlimited awareness and knowledge takes a bit more time to come to terms with (which is the only reason anyone has any hope of beating the wearer, since eventually someone with the Gauntlet will know every possible outcome of every possible scenario and act to prevent you from beating them before you even act against them).

Even then, the only way they managed to beat Thanos in the comic was by exploiting his own ego, and convincing him to deliberately reduce his own power and awareness to have a "fair" fight with Captain America, which left him vulnerable to other heroes tricking him and taking him by surprise. And as Adam Warlock points out later, the only reason THAT works at all is because Thanos apparently has a subconscious tendency to self-sabotage his own schemes, because deep-down, he doesn't actually believe he deserves to win.

This also comes into play when Nebula gets her hands on the Gauntlet - she has very little time to adjust to it after she acquires it, so the changes she makes to the universe are flawed, and nearly result in her losing the Gauntlet again. But if she'd had the same amount of time to adjust to the power and awareness that Thanos did, she'd probably be unstoppable because she wouldn't sabotage herself the way he did.


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^ Interesting. Too bad the movies don't have enough time to explain all of this, and the comics are a bit difficult to jump into nowadays.

VixYW posted...

It can work that way? How convenient. I guess being a god is easier than I thought. XD

In the comics yes, but not the gimped movie version. The comic version is infinite power basically. He would be able to create unlimited resources with the comic version of the gauntlet.
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Revelation34 posted...

In the comics yes, but not the gimped movie version.

You've said this twice, but we've literally seen nothing in the film that would demonstrate that.

Thanos in the film has the full Gauntlet for all of a few seconds before he uses it to snap half the universe away, and then he never uses it again because he's already achieved his goal. Yes, he seems to wound himself in the process and the glove itself gets damaged, but we have no real indication that the Gauntlet ISN'T capable of far, far more than what he actually uses it for. Presumably, if he'd waited to become more accustomed to the full power and potential of the Gauntlet before using is (and presumably, if he didn't have an axe in his chest at the time), he could have done far, far more than what he did. Given time, he might even have come up with a more elegant solution to the problem, rather than just trying to murder it away.

If anything, they're limiting how much it's used because it's harder to establish its power level in an interesting way in a short movie versus multiple issues of a comic book, but they still really haven't established any upper limit on what it's capable of. This may become more of an issue in the next film, but as-is, there's really nothing in the film that says it's any less powerful than the one in the comic.


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