Current Events > ''Common sense gun control'' is a euphemism for emotion-based gun control

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Can you tell me why exactly we need to ban the "military-looking" guns?

"It's just common sense!"

I really do find it hilarious that the common sense fallacy is openly embraced as a legitimate by-name political stance this election season.

Not familiar with the term. But the whole gun control thing just makes me lol.

Seriously, one group of people (without guns...) wants to take guns away from people with them.
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how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously
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Liberals: "I can understand using high-caliber guns to kill animals minding their own business in their natural habitat, but defending your home against another person intent on doing you harm? That's crossing the line! Nobody needs an AR-15."
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the problem with common sense is that everyone has a different common sense
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SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

Imagine having your head this far up your own ass
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Emotion based gun control

As opposed to emotion based gun use

Fear is an emotion
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

Lol.

Some things to think about.... Chicagos very strict gun laws, Vermonts gun laws, ownership rates, and number of crimes involving a firearm... Australias rise in armed robbery, rape and home invasions after banning guns.

Not even gonna go any further lol.
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Eevee-Trainer posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

Imagine having your head this far up your own ass

he's not wrong.
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The real problem is the government can't even fund research to establish what constitutes "common sense."
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao
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butthole666 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao

Is a violent criminal's human life more valuable than a family's lives?
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Pepys Monster posted...

butthole666 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao

Is a violent criminal's human life more valuable than a family's lives?

so what about when your kids go to school and get killed by their classmate
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butthole666 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

butthole666 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao

Is a violent criminal's human life more valuable than a family's lives?

so what about when your kids go to school and get killed by their classmate

You are making the assumption that Pepys would ever be in a situation to have a kid.
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butthole666 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

butthole666 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao

Is a violent criminal's human life more valuable than a family's lives?

so what about when your kids go to school and get killed by their classmate

gun control wouldn't prevent that fyi
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what if a kid got stabbed at school instead?

knife control
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MakoReizei posted...

what if a kid got stabbed at school instead?

knife control

Ah yes, those school knife attacks where double digit kids get stabbed to death in minutes
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Conflict posted...

MakoReizei posted...

butthole666 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

butthole666 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao

Is a violent criminal's human life more valuable than a family's lives?

so what about when your kids go to school and get killed by their classmate

gun control wouldn't prevent that fyi

Do you know the difference between completely eliminating something and lowering the chance of it happening?

Well generally guns arent allowed at school sooo

>school shootings are a hoax
>gun control doesnt work when people dont follow the law

Pick one.
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butthole666 posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

butthole666 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

You literally just said that owning guns is more important than literal human life

The absolute state of this fucking nation lmao

Is a violent criminal's human life more valuable than a family's lives?

so what about when your kids go to school and get killed by their classmate

How would banning guns stop that? Do you think millions of guns are going to vanish and bad guys aren't going to be able to get a hold of them? Do you think guns are the only way for someone to kill others? Ever heard of an IED?
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Conflict posted...

EdgeMaster posted...

Well generally guns arent allowed at school sooo

And yet shootings happen anyway. Shootings that would be less likely to happen if *gasp* kids didn't have access to guns.

I can't believe you went with the ever-so-enlightened "murder is already illegal" card that gets shot down every single time people use it

How about we ban drugs? Then high school kids will be less likely to do them. Right?
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I fully admit common sense gun control and no one needs an AR-15 are meaningless, dumb statements with no actual basis or substance.

That said, the only arguments even dumber are murder is already illegal and ban knives/cars
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SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

How about you suggest a gun control policy that would actually have an effect on shootings involving children?
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Conflict posted...

EdgeMaster posted...

Well generally guns arent allowed at school sooo

And yet shootings happen anyway. Shootings that would be less likely to happen if *gasp* kids didn't have access to guns.

I can't believe you went with the ever-so-enlightened "murder is already illegal" card that gets shot down every single time people use it

Kids don't have legal access to guns.
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Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals: "I can understand using high-caliber guns to kill animals minding their own business in their natural habitat, but defending your home against another person intent on doing you harm? That's crossing the line! Nobody needs an AR-15."

They literally think that .223 is "high caliber," too.
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Conflict posted...

darkjedilink posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

How about you suggest a gun control policy that would actually have an effect on shootings involving children?

"We've tried NOTHING and nothing is working!"

We've had, until recently, de-facto fucking gun bans in this country, and they didn't work.

So the idea that we've tried nothing is laughable.
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Well, the pro-gun people tend to think it's "common sense" to have firearms. Both sides of the argument are based on pure emotion with their own sets of statistics to corroborate their handpicked talking points. At the end of the day, guns are a more effective killing tool in a single spree than knives or motor vehicles. The answer is to place more restrictions on who has access and to what. You're allowed to own firearms in Canada despite there being gun control. Dumb people just go crazy about everything because they can't rationalize. They're like alligators, all they want to do is snap.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Both sides of the argument are based on pure emotion with their own sets of statistics to corroborate their handpicked talking points.

No. Only gun control advocates use emotion to base their policy, because all of their policies have absolutely fuck-all to do with reducing gun crime.
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darkjedilink posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Both sides of the argument are based on pure emotion with their own sets of statistics to corroborate their handpicked talking points.

No. Only gun control advocates use emotion to base their policy, because all of their policies have absolutely fuck-all to do with reducing gun crime.

The only developed nation without any real amount of gun control also has the highest death toll from firearms. Hmm. But you're clearly too emotional to discuss things with calmly anyway. You just think your opinions are facts because you're not smart enough to separate logic and feelings.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

darkjedilink posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Both sides of the argument are based on pure emotion with their own sets of statistics to corroborate their handpicked talking points.

No. Only gun control advocates use emotion to base their policy, because all of their policies have absolutely fuck-all to do with reducing gun crime.

The only developed nation without any real amount of gun control also has the highest death toll from firearms. Hmm. But you're clearly too emotional to discuss things with calmly anyway. You just think your opinions are facts because you're not smart enough to separate logic and feelings.

If you think the US has no gun control, you're being intentionally ignorant.
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The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

(Also on a slightly different note, I'm can guarantee the cartels are going to love it when/if the US makes moves to make legal acquisition of firearms more difficult. Unlike the UK and Australia, we dont get the benefit of oceanic borders. And if theres one thing the cartels love to peddle as much as drugs, its guns. So... get ready for that black market)
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DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.

Even if you did, the headlines the next day would be "thousands dead in standoffs with guncollections officers"

Which would basically be Civil War 2: War Harder right there...
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DarkBuster22904 posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.

Even if you did, the headlines the next day would be "thousands dead in standoffs with guncollections officers"

Which would basically be Civil War 2: War Harder right there...

Eh, not really. People talk a big game, but considering it'd be illegal guns they're going after, the "victims" would all be criminals anyway. There'd probably be a few riots from people crying "they did nothing wrong by shooting at police" but the majority of the population wouldn't want any trouble.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.

If they were willing to do that NOW, in gang territory, gun violence would drop to near-zero in the US.

Since they won't, what makes you think they'd do that to the vast majority of the US population that have committed no violent crime?
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darkjedilink posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.

If they were willing to do that NOW, in gang territory, gun violence would drop to near-zero in the US.

Since they won't, what makes you think they'd do that to the vast majority of the US population that have committed no violent crime?

The vast majority do not own illegal firearms. That's the conversation (I thought) we were having. At no point did I say "ban every gun". I just mentioned increasing the restrictions already in place. SWAT guys rounding up illegal guns would have to go door to door in bad areas...
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gun control is a shit show in this country unless you fix the hundreds of other problems that leads people to want to pick up a gun and commit violence. theres too many guns and too many other factors. it doesnt help that most of the ideas being presented wont do anything and only further makes the other side push back harder.

now there are some things that could theoretically help, but because the left is grasping at every little thing no one wants to get on that boat and have a conversation in fear of where many democrats in charge have shown they want it to go.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

A fucking lot more, because in the grand scheme of things it's not many.

Fuck you.
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Dark_Spiret posted...

gun control is a shit show in this country unless you fix the hundreds of other problems that leads people to want to pick up a gun and commit violence. theres too many guns and too many other factors. it doesnt help that most of the ideas being presented wont do anything and only further makes the other side push back harder.

now there are some things that could theoretically help, but because the left is grasping at every little thing no one wants to get on that boat and have a conversation in fear of where many democrats in charge have shown they want it to go.

Yeah, the suicide rates do skew the numbers a bit, and those people could just as easily jump off a bridge, hang themselves, turn the car on in the garage, etc... I don't dispute the fact that gun violence is a symptom of a diseased culture and not the other way around, but it'll increase the death toll until the root causes are dealt with.
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"M-muh guns!!" - according to this topic, these are the logical ones. The "logical" ones believe in myths about "the good guy with the gun". Hell, it's the NRA that lobbied to make it illegal to use tax dollars to fund research in gun violence. Looks like the "logical" side is scared of having real numbers destroying their fantasy arguments.
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1337toothbrush posted...

"M-muh guns!!" - according to this topic, these are the logical ones. The "logical" ones believe in myths about "the good guy with the gun". Hell, it's the NRA that lobbied to make it illegal to use tax dollars to fund research in gun violence. Looks like the "logical" side is scared of having real numbers destroying their fantasy arguments.

It reminds me of a story my father told me from when he was a kid. He said to my grandma: "the more you think about religion, the less sense it makes." My grandma's reply was "well stop thinking about it then."
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darkjedilink posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals: "I can understand using high-caliber guns to kill animals minding their own business in their natural habitat, but defending your home against another person intent on doing you harm? That's crossing the line! Nobody needs an AR-15."

They literally think that .223 is "high caliber," too.

To hoplophobes, any rifle that uses a cartridge above .22LR is "high caliber."
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

darkjedilink posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.

If they were willing to do that NOW, in gang territory, gun violence would drop to near-zero in the US.

Since they won't, what makes you think they'd do that to the vast majority of the US population that have committed no violent crime?

The vast majority do not own illegal firearms. That's the conversation (I thought) we were having. At no point did I say "ban every gun". I just mentioned increasing the restrictions already in place. SWAT guys rounding up illegal guns would have to go door to door in bad areas...

If you're seriously talking about illegally going door-to-door to raid houses without warrants to take illegal firearms, why expand the laws in the first place?
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Constant reminder to the kids who weren't even alive when it happened that Columbine happened during a period where our country had some of its strictest gun control.

SSJKirby posted...

how many children have to get shot before gun control gets taken seriously

no amount of tragedies will validate disarming the people
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darkjedilink posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

DarkBuster22904 posted...

The biggest issue is the number of guns already in circulation, with no real way to get them out. Even if we were to ban the sale of every single gun tomorrow... they arent going away. The sheer number of them already in consumer hands is astounding.

Yeah, that's actually a point I agree with. While it's not something insurmountable, it'd take a lot of time and manpower to successfully crack down on that. In some areas it is so out of hand you'd basically need to send the SWAT guys door to door.

If they were willing to do that NOW, in gang territory, gun violence would drop to near-zero in the US.

Since they won't, what makes you think they'd do that to the vast majority of the US population that have committed no violent crime?

Yeah see cant do that. Especially in an area like south Chicago, with one of the highest homicide rates.

Theres a group of people there that already believe the police are unfairly harsh on them so going around and collecting every gun they arent legally allowed to own (for being convicted felons and what not) would be racist in this day and age.
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