Current Events > 3 brave Georgia cops tase 87-year-old knife wielding woman out cutting flowers.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I didn't know Pogo Marimo was scared shitless of tiny old ladies. That's a pretty interesting little fun fact, like the flavor text at the bottom of a pokemon card.

I don't know why you have to resort to ad hominem like an intellectual coward. You seem to feel pretty strongly about this, but I'm more interested to know if you can actual support your gut feelings with a fully formed argument. I gave you my full line of reasoning. Tell me where I'm wrong. I did all the leg work for you, you just have to come up with a rebuttal to something I said. Shouldn't be too hard, right? You're obviously correct, so my error should be staring you right in the face.

I'm not repeating myself. Go reply to some of the posts I've already made in this topic if you feel like making excuses for 3 dudes beating up on near-90 years old women, and pretend I addressed them to you instead.

You made some real humdingers in this topic. Can't argue against lock-tight arguments like:

(EliteLevel posted...
So how would you guys have handled it any better, hmmm?)

Would have asked the president to nuke the city. You can never be too safe.

I bet you had the biggest shit eating grin when you were typing this. Hell, I bet you're smiling at yourself.

Hell, she could have blown those dandelions in their faces and suffocated them while she chopped at their arteries.

From what you read in this article, do you believe that the cops thought this 87 year old woman was experiencing a diabetic episode?

Is tasing old ladies a standard response for when you think they can't hear what you're saying?

Oh wait, you've barely made any arguments this entire topic. In fact, you've spent the entire topic either making irreverent comments about others, entirely misrepresenting the situation, or ignoring every bit of nuance or counter-evidence that doesn't match the little narrative you've already decided is reality. Then, like some little safety blank, you retreat whenever needed to some vague accusations about how we hate old people, or we're scared of old people, or we just want to beat up old people. Anything sufficiently dehumanizing you can conceive and hurl at us to rationalize dismissing the arguments. Because you're not interested in open-minded discussion, open debate, considering other stances, or critiqueing your own position. You want reassurance of your world view. Too bad. Be an adult and defend your position or shut the fuck up.

Brutal.

And he still hasn't defended his position :)
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Honestly, if the cops are trying to assess the situation they're called to handle, and they need someone to drop their knife, a language barrier isn't really a good excuse to say "Well, okay, keep the knife."

I don't think anyone is saying that though, just that they probably didn't need to tase her as it was not a situation in which she was an active threat. The fact the the police chief still refers to her as such even with the benefit of hindsight is crazy to me.

Like, even the person who called the police on her for trespassing didn't seem to be perceiving her as a threat
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

TommyG663513 posted...

renasunflash posted...

How does one get to be 87 and not realize that when the police are yelling at you, and even gesturing with their own pocket knife so as to show you what to do, and now theyre drawing their tasers ... maybe you should drop your weapon and put your hands up?? Thats pretty damn standard no matter which country youre from or what language you speak.

Its unfortunate that she was tased and shes lucky she wasnt seriously injured or killed. Being elderly and non-English-speaking isnt an excuse for being a dumbass though. Or maybe she was mentally ill, like with schizophrenia, which would excuse her lack of comprehension but still justify the police response because a mentally ill person who isnt perceiving reality and is holding a knife is reasonably threatening and they have a protocol to follow.

Thereto is was a very similar case to this in my hometown a few years ago, but the woman involved was a bit younger. It made me wonder, could the police not just get one of those big SWAT shields and some protective padding for their hands and arms, and just charge at / tackle the person? Again, they have to follow protocol and I dont object with the use of tasers but I do wonder if some alternate options should be explored and implemented. Even the beanbag or plastic bullet guns they have might be better than risking giving an old lady a heart attack, but I guess the flip side is those other options will almost certainly break bones whereas the taser causes less damage assuming it doesnt kill you.

It is pretty easy actually to not know how police function. It is even easier when you don't know English. American police tend to function much differently than ones overseas. Personally, I think it is insane the cops were so quick to tase her. It's cool that the police want to minimize the risk of d injury for themselves, but they should consider extending that to other people.

I know cops think they have the hardest and most dangerous jobs and that they are all heroes and that anyone who doesn't obey LE orders must be some sort of idiot who deserves to be shot or be on the receiving end of a show of force, but maybe the should stop being so intense and idiotic and/or just accept that their actions will receive public backlash.

Do you really expect the public at large to be ok with 3 fully grown men tasing an 87 year old woman over her not being able to understand what they were communicating to her?

Frankly, no I don't. But the public as a whole are stupid and prone to snap judgements and gut feelings. There is a reason why our society is absolutely saturated by fake headlines, clickbait titles, gossip rags, and political chicannary, and its not because the majority of our society possesses impressive critical thinking skills. What I would hope is that people who have an opinion on this would at least try to defend their argument beyond simple emotional appeals or actually address arguments. The simple things I wish I could get from any functioning adult, but alas, some people are far too indignant and morally superior to bequeath such a simple courtesy to me as I would them.

You clearly think way too highly of yourself. You're defending 3 grown men roughing up an 87 year old woman. It is super cool that the cops worry about their own safety so much in every incident ever, but it'd be even cooler if they extended that out to the public whom ideally it is their job to protect.

Your appeal to rationalize LEs actions is quite frankly hilarious and not really worth a counter debate as you kept demanding.
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I wonder why this sort of thing never happens to people in congress, or judges

*thinking hard*
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Honestly, if the cops are trying to assess the situation they're called to handle, and they need someone to drop their knife, a language barrier isn't really a good excuse to say "Well, okay, keep the knife."

I'm very confused as to why no attempt was made to deal with the language barrier beyond miming which seems like minimal effort. I don't think anyone is quite saying that LE should have just walked away. There are ways to communicate with someone who speaks a different language beyond miming. It's called speaking their language. IDK what this elderly woman's language was. It isn't clear if she was attempting to communicate vocally or not or if LE could determine what language she understood.

The lady was obviously no immediate threat to herself or others so LE could have and should have really taken their time in dealing with this. Not sure why they think these types of actions are worth it when they keep causing PR issues for them. LE needs to get the message that their tactics need to be much more well thought out.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I wonder why this sort of thing never happens to people in congress, or judges

*thinking hard*

Presumably because they all speak English
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eston posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I wonder why this sort of thing never happens to people in congress, or judges

*thinking hard*

Presumably because they all speak English

That's debatable. A few of them can't hear very well.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

eston posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I wonder why this sort of thing never happens to people in congress, or judges

*thinking hard*

Presumably because they all speak English

That's debatable. A few of them can't hear very well.

Old people can't hear well? Well fuck it, they can feel tasers just the same as everyone else.
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So many people ITT who think knives are not dangerous. The cops even spent time trying to communicate with her and then tazed her instead of shooting. What is there even to complain about?
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LightHawKnight posted...

So many people ITT who think knives are not dangerous. The cops even spent time trying to communicate with her and then tazed her instead of shooting. What is there even to complain about?

Cause obviously she was just waiting for her opportunity to go on a murder spree. The cops realized this and had to put her ass down for the good of society.

Thank you, brave officers. One less scoundrel out there putting some person, somewhere, life in jeopardy, somehow.
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Police aren't mind-readers. Mind-reading isn't real.
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I am kinda curious if she is homeless though.
Edit: "near her home"
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Funbazooka posted...

Police aren't mind-readers. Mind-reading isn't real.

>Get a call that an 87 year old woman can't move well
>get a call that an 87 year old woman is picking flowers
>show up and discover that she can't speak english

Better fuck her up, only Penn and Teller can decipher the amount of bullshit she's slinging. Cops aren't mind readers; mind readers don't make it home alive to their families. This is what some CEmen call nuance.
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"The elderly can't stab people. It's physically mentally impossible for them." - A_Good_Boy
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Funbazooka posted...

"The elderly can't stab people. It's physically mentally impossible for them." - A_Good_Boy

"This woman was going to stab people!"
-Funbazooka, right before he devoured some lead paint chips.
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Oh no, Good_Boy got a little taste of his own disingenuous medicine. Poor Good_Boy.

What ever will he do? Will he ever recover?
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Funbazooka posted...

Oh no, Good_Boy got a little taste of his own disingenuous medicine. Poor Good_Boy.

What ever will he do? Will he ever recover?

Not sure why the dude saying that this old lady was probably maybe a threat so it's fair for her to be hospitalized by 3 dudes is claiming I'm the one being disingenuous, but hey it's occurring in the same topic where people are mad at me because I won't consider their nuanced, well-reasoned opinions on why it's necessary to fuck up an octogenarian. And that's pretty neat.
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Funbazooka posted...

"The elderly can't stab people. It's physically mentally impossible for them." - A_Good_Boy

No not impossible, but it is foolish to think that 3 grown men can't handle that without getting stabbed.
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The cop apologists always point to what's legal as if that somehow means it's right. Like yeah maybe technically they were allowed to tase her, but they were still wrong to do so. It's pretty clear they could have just walked up and taken the knife from her. And if she made any aggressive movements then by all means, tase away. But for the clown saying we should value cops lives over citizens lives, that's insane. Like fascist, dystopian levels of insane. Those cops chose this job in order to protect the public, so they should indeed be risking their safety for the public's safety.
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TommyG663513 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Honestly, if the cops are trying to assess the situation they're called to handle, and they need someone to drop their knife, a language barrier isn't really a good excuse to say "Well, okay, keep the knife."

I'm very confused as to why no attempt was made to deal with the language barrier beyond miming which seems like minimal effort. I don't think anyone is quite saying that LE should have just walked away. There are ways to communicate with someone who speaks a different language beyond miming. It's called speaking their language. IDK what this elderly woman's language was. It isn't clear if she was attempting to communicate vocally or not or if LE could determine what language she understood.

The lady was obviously no immediate threat to herself or others so LE could have and should have really taken their time in dealing with this. Not sure why they think these types of actions are worth it when they keep causing PR issues for them. LE needs to get the message that their tactics need to be much more well thought out.

All of this. She didn't rush them or even swing the knife. She wasn't aggressive at all and there was no reason for them to respond as if she was

A fucking 87 year old women who cannot move is going to go around slashing people.

Do people on this board use common sense? How in the hell is someone who can barely move their arm and probably can not even clean themselves going to slash people? You have three grown ass men, the lady obviously is not about to swing a fucking knife fast if she can barely move her arm.
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---Devin--- posted...

A fucking 87 year old women who cannot move is going to go around slashing people.

Do people on this board use common sense? How in the hell is someone who can barely move their arm and probably can not even clean themselves going to slash people? You have three grown ass men, the lady obviously is not about to swing a fucking knife fast if she can barely move her arm.

how the fuck is she out cutting flowers with a knife if she can barely move?
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thronedfire2 posted...

how the fuck is she out cutting flowers with a knife if she can barely move?

By doing it SLOW as FUCK. She is 87. Most likely she has arthritis and can BARELY MOVE. This is seriously hilarious anyone defending tasing a literal 87 year woman.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Let me break it down for you people.

1. Old lady was wandering in front of a Boys and Girls Club with a knife and refused to leave or respond to the employees of the building.

2. This was concerning enough for the employee to call the police to remove her from the premise. Neither the employee or the police can allow someone to walk around with a knife on the premise of a children's center.

3. The police tried to get her to drop the knife for several minutes. They even got to the point of pantomiming the act of dropping a knife. The woman was unresponsive. In terms of how you handle a situation with a deadly weapon, this is one of the worst possible situations since you do not know what the person is going to do, what the person's state of mind is, and whether they are a danger to themselves or others.

4. The police cannot detain her and remove her from the property until she drops the knife. This is a simple safety issue. Even accidentally, it is very easy for a police officer to sustain dangerous injuries to their hands and wrists from a passively resisting person, let alone someone who goes from unresponsive to suddenly violent (As is a distinct possible in these situations). People with mental illness, especially dementia and Alzheimer's, can very commonly become violent or scared in situations they don't understand.

5. The police are not responsible to burden themselves with unnecessary risk. Police do not, and should not, have to take on unnecessary risk of harm because a suspect has made the situation violent or potentially deadly. That's ridiculous. There is no safe way to take a knife away from someone. So question then is, who should have to risk minor harm in this situation? The police officers, who are trying to resolve a crime in a lawful manner, or the suspect, who has refused to cooperate and who has made the situation dangerous to both the police and themselves? Personally, I don't value the life and safety of bystanders more than the life or safety of police, and you shouldn't either.

6. Deploying the taser is the safest option after the previous attempts to resolve the situation clearly failed.

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Ban flowers.
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---Devin--- posted...

A fucking 87 year old women who cannot move is going to go around slashing people.

Do people on this board use common sense? How in the hell is someone who can barely move their arm and probably can not even clean themselves going to slash people? You have three grown ass men, the lady obviously is not about to swing a fucking knife fast if she can barely move her arm.

Yeah but she was refusing to follow orders, so of course she needed to suffer.
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