Board 8 > Sir Chris' Music Mafia Topic 14: Bob Marley Man

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Crescent, you weren't that active.
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Still dont get how Im not confirmed

What scum does what I did day 1

Also what kind of fucking dickhead does what I did day 1

And Puns I understand everything you're saying about the annoyance of the bomb. Lynching someone who is not scum (Mzero) detracts from the mindset we need to have. It's just his role is so useful. It has to be used. Thank you though for the work you put in today. And goodbye because you're probably dead. Don't worry I will replace you *laughs like Light when L dies*

...I wish I was scum
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent, you weren't that active.

Right?
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Mzero has been lynched. He was Last Hope Paramore, TOWN Targeted Target Bomb.

He ran after a random person who screamed like a little girl.

He blew up ChaosTony.

ChaosTony exploded into a million little bits.

He was Music of the Night Phantom of the Opera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPXPwRgV-NM" data-time="

TOWN Watcher.

...

Hm, wait. That's not right.

*Adjusts glasses*

ChaosTony has been blown up. He was MAFIA Watcher.

There we go.

You have until 9 PM EDT to send in night actions.
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Puns has been killed. He was Castle on the Hill Ed Sheeran, TOWN Tracker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qp5vcuMIlk" data-time="

4. ColZach
13. Forceful_Dragon
14. DoubleTangicide
16. HanOfTheNekos
17. Crescent-Moon
20. Benjamin3740
21. htaeD (Death)

with 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends at 9 PM EDT on Wednesday. Go!
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Let this be a lesson to this community.

If I saw someone is Scum based on their first post... they are Scum.

B-)
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Let me be frank about last night. I was not in a good spot. The man I went to see looked 20 years older than I ever remember him looking, and I left with the knowledge that, while we were not *that* close, it could be the last time I ever saw him. I had forgotten how it feels to be reminded of mortality, and I was originally planning to tell the game I wasn't in any shape to post, and leave. Ultimately I decided the game was at too crucial a point to just up and leave for the night.

Anyway, a lot of this is something I wanted to go over yesterday (Which is why I was quiet half the day), but I knew it was too soon for it so I didn't get into it and let it become a distraction. Tony being scum solves most if not all of the conspiracy theories out there. Town is a bit powerful, but no longer as overpowered as it once looked. The monster we were constantly going into theory about doesn't exist. This what the game looks like as of now:

Mafia:
Vanilla
Roleblocker
Unscannable (I'm taking this as godfather ninja)
Detective
Watcher
Extra Kill Janitor/Jack with Janitor most likely

Barring something like scum deciding to save their extra kill all the way until endgame (something I have not seen before), I believe the theory that scum lost a kill on Corrik night 1 is still the most plausible.

Town's Power as presently constituted consists of:

Cop and Tracker for scanners
Jailkeeper, Bodyguard, Elite Bodyguard for protection
Vigilante, Super Target Bomb, and Lawyer
And Panthera's Jack role.

Town does feel a little strong, but someone, I believe Puns, pointed out something about this spread. Town has probably the most misfire potential of any town I've even been on. Bodyguard and Elite Bodyguard can both die protecting the same target, and Elite Bodyguard/Vigilante could actually kill each other. Vigilante misfires early and often. Bombs are easy to misfire, Lawyer can self-kill with a wrong target, and Mason Recruit can self-kill with a wrong target. Town can destroy itself with this setup as we're looking at it.

With the monster scum role theory effectively dead, I believe the likelihood of a second godfather has dropped considerably with it. I didn't want to say this yesterday on the offchance Tony was town. This is also why I particularly poked Death about it yesterday, because if Tony were town I'd absolutely be certain a godfather would be around.

And yes, this assumes Zach is town, but a review of the night actions I think gives him a pretty good town point, and I believe may go a good way in pointing us at the last scum. We have already established through Puns that scum was probably afraid of tracker, which is why Dumey no actioned night 1. My theoretical scum actions:

Night 1:
Tony/EDumey do nothing. Red tries to kill Corrik, Leo scans whoever, and the scum extra kill janitors Plum. Only the extra kill particularly fears a track here, but he has done his job.

Night 2/Night 3:
Tony/EDumey do nothing, again. Red sends the kill. Dumey may have blocked Sultan night three instead of Eaed, but that's not much. There isn't anything here at all to track.

And so on. But here's where the player logic begins. I believe scum believed Puns' tracker claim, especially given no one even hinted at a real counter and Puns didn't so much as flinch from anything Scare did. It was during this time period that Zach eventually claimed vig that shot at Corrik. Does the scum who actually killed Plum really take this risk under basically no pressure? It's not a stretch to think scum may have been wondering if he tracked the actual killer. As far as I know, Janitor has to be the one to send the kill to cause the Janitor effect, meaning Red could not have been the one to kill Plum. It's definitely a town point for Zach

Tony flipping scum also disperses the notion that Red's role is weaker than it looked. Red was, in almost all likelihood, a godfather ninja. I thought entering night 3, if scum really wanted Sheep dead, they'd go after him then. Entering night 3, though, the only nightmare scenario scan Sheep could possibly make was a scan on Dumey, and they probably felt he was more likely to burn a scan on someone like Red than to go after someone like Dumey. Even if he scans not-Dumey scum at that point, it's not a critical loss. Scum played the risk/reward on Sheep instead of on Eaed here and got burned.

But this is where the next piece of the puzzle comes in, something very specific Sheep said day 4:

Sheep007
08/12/18 9:48:21 AM
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turbopuns2 posted...

Sheep, why dumey?

He made a terrible vote last night (one of the few people with a solid chance of being scum to vote God as well) and he was probably the player I was most neutral on at the time of picking my scan. I thought Ben was scum anyway, and same with Red, so I was aiming to look for what was presumably the fourth scum. I also think it told me more about Red than Han, who was the other I was considering.

Sheep clearly stated he already thought Ben was scum, and intended to scan Han next (and then scanned Ben anyway?). If Han is scum, then with Dumey going down, scum would have had to have known a Han scum scan was effectively game over. This is why they took the risk to kill Sheep that night, because they felt cornered into doing it. I believe now the game would already be over had Sheep stuck to scanning Han night 4. Red getting himself killed made it so we didn't have to burn a lynch/another day just on him and it also allowed us to use MZero (though he had not full claimed by then). It suggested a serious fear of Sheep night 4, and Tony constantly acting like scum "didn't try to hurt Sheep night 4" also suggests this.

We're not looking for a monster role. We're probably not looking for a godfather, either. We're just looking for the last scum. That's all. This is the vacuum in which all the actions so far in the game make sense. Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday (I almost first post voted him yesterday. At one point it was there). Occam's Razor now says Han is scum today.

##Vote: Han

If the game as we know it makes sense up to this point, this is our last scum. Tony's last ditch effort to distance himself from Han was a nice touch, though~

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Let this be a lesson to this community.

If I saw someone is Scum based on their first post... they are Scum.

B-)

It helps when you know that because you're scum with them.

We know that whatever scum is left has a janitor ability. So he is either scum Janitor or perhaps a Jack with different one use abilities. There is no reason to believe he has extra kills other than the Janitor however, because now we know Panthera died by visiting Tony. All of the scum roles so far have been very simple with no modifiers attached (Unscannable, Roleblocker, Watcher, etc.) And I think that lends more evidence towards the idea that this last role is just "janitor" or "Jack", and not "Godfather Janitor". Thus I trust Tange and the innocent scan on him a lot more than yesterday. He's probably Town.

I said before that the only way I could see Zach being scum is if Tony is scum with him. He seemed to really take the idea of counter claiming Zam seriously though, and I think the anger is real. He's town. And this is like my third major town signal on him. I won't accept any more arguments for him being scum.

Now why was Tony trying to provoke Crescent yesterday. If he understood Mzero's role right, (I'm sure at least someone on the scum team did), then he knew he was not getting Crescent killed if she was X1. So what was the scum motive? Either the fight was faked...or it could have just been an excuse for him to not have to vote Mzero. And I am just trusting that it was the latter for now, because I have already signed off on my town read of Crescent.

So those are the people I dont want to lynch. FD as well because he's Lawyer.

Han and Death remain.

Anyone have any counter arguments to this?
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I probably won't be around all that much tonight. With Puns dying we're orobably going to be inactive most of today anyway.

I went and found Pun's tracks to see if we can get anything more out of it now


Night 1
Sultan visited Panth.
EDumey went nowhere.

Night 2 - Han went nowhere.
Night 3 - Death went nowhere.
Night 4 - Crescent went nowhere.

So we know the remaining scum used the Janitor ability night 1. Unfortunately there isnt much of a reason for them to send anyone but Red after that to do nightkills. Even up until Night 4 we had Red, Tony, and scum #3 alive, and we know Red did the kill that night. So these tracks don't really give us any info that I am seeing, but here they are for your enjoyment
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benjamin3740 posted...

We know that whatever scum is left has a janitor ability. So he is either scum Janitor or perhaps a Jack with different one use abilities. There is no reason to believe he has extra kills other than the Janitor however, because now we know Panthera died by visiting Tony. All of the scum roles so far have been very simple with no modifiers attached (Unscannable, Roleblocker, Watcher, etc.) And I think that lends more evidence towards the idea that this last role is just "janitor" or "Jack", and not "Godfather Janitor". Thus I trust Tange and the innocent scan on him a lot more than yesterday. He's probably Town.

I said before that the only way I could see Zach being scum is if Tony is scum with him. He seemed to really take the idea of counter claiming Zam seriously though, and I think the anger is real. He's town. And this is like my third major town signal on him. I won't accept any more arguments for him being scum.

Now why was Tony trying to provoke Crescent yesterday. If he understood Mzero's role right, (I'm sure at least someone on the scum team did), then he knew he was not getting Crescent killed if she was X1. So what was the scum motive? Either the fight was faked...or it could have just been an excuse for him to not have to vote Mzero. And I am just trusting that it was the latter for now, because I have already signed off on my town read of Crescent.

So those are the people I dont want to lynch. FD as well because he's Lawyer.

Han and Death remain.

Anyone have any counter arguments to this?

Tony was trying to provoke me because he hates me, there's nothing more to say about it and let's not revisit my stooping down to his level.

benjamin3740 posted...

I went and found Pun's tracks to see if we can get anything more out of it now


Night 1
Sultan visited Panth.
EDumey went nowhere.

Night 2 - Han went nowhere.
Night 3 - Death went nowhere.
Night 4 - Crescent went nowhere.

So we know the remaining scum used the Janitor ability night 1. Unfortunately there isnt much of a reason for them to send anyone but Red after that to do nightkills. Even up until Night 4 we had Red, Tony, and scum #3 alive, and we know Red did the kill that night. So these tracks don't really give us any info that I am seeing, but here they are for your enjoyment

The only thing the tracks gave us was that scum presumably turtled this game. Every track after night 1 is meaningless.

And yes, it appears scum got horribly unlucky with Puns random tracking Dumey night 1, and Sheep scanning the one gamebreaking person on their team.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday

Yeah, I know. I was saying that since puns claimed and I actually caught on to what he said.

Glad people listened to me, too! If I wasn't around, Tony wouldn't be dead right now xD

I'm in the middle of a game, and have to go to bed soon, but Zach is probably the last Scum. Ben was too all-in on the MZero plan from the beginning, and... well, Tange is still considerable, but the last Scum is probably going to flip Jack, so unless they're Jack Godfather, Tange is probbbbbably clear. FD is clear.

Still, gotta consider, if no Godfather is in game, does it make sense for them to kill Sheep ahead of Puns? Does Puns being alive keep Tony alive that much?

Last Scum is in Death, Crescent, Zach. Death has been helpful. Crescent has seemed Town for most of the game until she went full-tilt yesterday, and has still seemed Town through that even though not helpful.

Zach is probably the last Scum.
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Yeah, those tracks dont tell us much, unfortunately

As for Whos left:

4. ColZach: he has an innocent scan on him. Im willing to believe hes town

13. Forceful_Dragon: theres no way Chris puts a banned role in this game. FD as mayor is town.

14. DoubleTangicide: Im town, with a cop innocent scan on me. I know my play hasnt exactly inspired much confidence, but I am town.

16. HanOfTheNekos: Im not going to lie, hes kind of felt aloof for the first few days. However, yesterday he really came to play and it resulted in us lynching scum. Im willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but Id like to see more of yesterday and less of the first couple days from him

17. Crescent-Moon: has she claimed? I forget. Remind me what it was if she did. I dont teally have too much to say about her ok be honest. Except meow.

20. Benjamin3740: he also has an innocent scan on him, and since I have no reason not to believe those are accurate, Im willing to call him town.

21. htaeD (Death): I can never really read death to be honest. He hasnt been super active (I know, Im one to talk) but Im not sure that makes him scummy.

So given our scans/confirmed power, scum has to be in this group:

Death
Crescent
Han

Out of those three, I think Im most wary of death

##Vote: Death
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Everyone was claimed by like.. day 4?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday

Yeah, I know. I was saying that since puns claimed and I actually caught on to what he said.

Glad people listened to me, too! If I wasn't around, Tony wouldn't be dead right now xD

I'm in the middle of a game, and have to go to bed soon, but Zach is probably the last Scum. Ben was too all-in on the MZero plan from the beginning, and... well, Tange is still considerable, but the last Scum is probably going to flip Jack, so unless they're Jack Godfather, Tange is probbbbbably clear. FD is clear.

Still, gotta consider, if no Godfather is in game, does it make sense for them to kill Sheep ahead of Puns? Does Puns being alive keep Tony alive that much?

Last Scum is in Death, Crescent, Zach. Death has been helpful. Crescent has seemed Town for most of the game until she went full-tilt yesterday, and has still seemed Town through that even though not helpful.

Zach is probably the last Scum.

The problem was Puns for some asinine reason kept thinking Tony was town despite it making no sense whatsoever for him to be, nothing more.

And it's somehow... all on you that Tony died yesterday?

Han I looked at all the posts between this one

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Han plan
puns, Tony, X1, X2, X3, X4

-X1 only gets killed in 0 Scum. (confirms 3 people - puns, Tony, and X1 through death)
-puns only gets killed in 2 Scum. (confirms final 2 Scum, win game tomorrow)

-In 1 Scum, removed name on left, blow up person on right:
puns, X3, X4 -> Tony (confirms both Tony and puns, if lucky, Tony is Scum who dies first)
Tony -> X2 (confirms puns as Scum, Tony as Town, and X2 through death)
X2 -> X3 (confirms X2, X3 through death, and that one of Tony/puns is Scum)
X1 -> X4 (confirms X1, X4 through death, and that one of Tony/puns is Scum)

We need to set our X1-X4. I think Death is already on the lynch, so I propose he is X3. I will hop on lynch.

And this one

HanOfTheNekos posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

please everybody keep in mind earlier han said he was going to hop on the bomb and then ultimately he didn't

I was asked not to

And no one asked you not to be on. You were doing most of the planning for who was on and in what order. So why did you say that you were asked not to?
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Also, I know Im chock full of excuses this game

But I had water pouring into my apartment all night long

I got 3 hours of sleep and am being relocated to a hotel for the next few nights

So sorry if I continue to be inactive
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Crescent-Moon posted...

The problem was Puns for some asinine reason kept thinking Tony was town despite it making no sense whatsoever for him to be, nothing more.

Yeah. And SOMEBODY had to push puns into considering that Tony might be Scum and MZero would let us know.

DoubleTangicide posted...

4. ColZach: he has an innocent scan on him. Im willing to believe hes town

Tange... Zach doesn't have an innocent scan. He claimed vig shot that didn't work.
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It also seems really interesting for Han to insinuate yesterday was my scummiest day when we have day 2 to go by.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Tange... Zach doesn't have an innocent scan. He claimed vig shot that didn't work.

Who was PJs first inno scan??
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

The problem was Puns for some asinine reason kept thinking Tony was town despite it making no sense whatsoever for him to be, nothing more.

Yeah. And SOMEBODY had to push puns into considering that Tony might be Scum and MZero would let us know.

DoubleTangicide posted...

4. ColZach: he has an innocent scan on him. Im willing to believe hes town

Tange... Zach doesn't have an innocent scan. He claimed vig shot that didn't work.

Um... Like you were the only one? I was pushing Puns on it repeatedly, Tange just wanted to lynch Tony outright (He didn't even care about MZero), Ben was also pushing for it, and etc.

DoubleTangicide posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Tange... Zach doesn't have an innocent scan. He claimed vig shot that didn't work.

Who was PJs first inno scan??

...You.

Well it was you or MZero in some order anyway.

Why the hell do I keep getting Mzero and ColZach mixed up this game
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Also the day was inevitably ending with Puns/Tony both on MZero from the start, nothing was going to change that.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday

Yeah, I know. I was saying that since puns claimed and I actually caught on to what he said.

Glad people listened to me, too! If I wasn't around, Tony wouldn't be dead right now xD

>_> How serious is this?

And look, I am not usually the one to go all "Hey I get credit for this lynch". In fact I;ve never done it before. But this time I will come out and say that I pointed it out and went after Tony for it first. I also think I argued a lot with Puns who was really the only person calling Tony town. So uhh...yeah that's why I read this statement as a little fake
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Why the hell do I keep getting Mzero and ColZach mixed up this game

I don't know, but you and Ben are the ones with the innocent scans that are alive.

benjamin3740 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday

Yeah, I know. I was saying that since puns claimed and I actually caught on to what he said.

Glad people listened to me, too! If I wasn't around, Tony wouldn't be dead right now xD

>_> How serious is this?

And look, I am not usually the one to go all "Hey I get credit for this lynch". In fact I;ve never done it before. But this time I will come out and say that I pointed it out and went after Tony for it first. I also think I argued a lot with Puns who was really the only person calling Tony town. So uhh...yeah that's why I read this statement as a little fake

A little? How many of us were arguing with Puns that he was probably wrong?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Um... Like you were the only one?

This literally doesn't matter. You agreed yourself - you were a mess yesterday. And you were. You were making it REALLY FUCKING HARD to get something pro-town to happen, because you just HAD to have a pissing contest with someone we thought was Scum, but YOU were enabling them to stall.

So shut your mouth.

benjamin3740 posted...

And no one asked you not to be on. You were doing most of the planning for who was on and in what order. So why did you say that you were asked not to?

I thought I was! If you saw nothing, then I guess I was wrong.

What happened was that Tange got on the lynch, and you did as well. You and Tange both were not part of my original plan. Death was, but Death had left as well.

That meant that, with Tony and Puns having to join the lynch, only one other person COULD. I would have if requested, but Tony specifically requested Crescent. And I would've preferred Zach as X1 anyway.
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I was a mess for the last 2 hours of the day, not the first 46.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday

Yeah, I know. I was saying that since puns claimed and I actually caught on to what he said.

Glad people listened to me, too! If I wasn't around, Tony wouldn't be dead right now xD

I'm in the middle of a game, and have to go to bed soon, but Zach is probably the last Scum. Ben was too all-in on the MZero plan from the beginning, and... well, Tange is still considerable, but the last Scum is probably going to flip Jack, so unless they're Jack Godfather, Tange is probbbbbably clear. FD is clear.

Still, gotta consider, if no Godfather is in game, does it make sense for them to kill Sheep ahead of Puns? Does Puns being alive keep Tony alive that much?

Last Scum is in Death, Crescent, Zach. Death has been helpful. Crescent has seemed Town for most of the game until she went full-tilt yesterday, and has still seemed Town through that even though not helpful.

Zach is probably the last Scum.

Also, can you explain in a little more detail why you think I'm scum for being into the Mzero plan? Also that makes me probabbbbbbably clear for the same reasons you gave on Tange >.>
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Order of unconfirmed Id like lynched:

Death
Han
Zach
Crescent
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Order of unconfirmed Id like lynched:

Death
Han
Zach
Crescent

Flip Han and Death for me. I'm not super certain on Han, but I really don't think this game lasts past Han+Death lynches anyway.

benjamin3740 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Occam's Razor said Tony was scum yesterday

Yeah, I know. I was saying that since puns claimed and I actually caught on to what he said.

Glad people listened to me, too! If I wasn't around, Tony wouldn't be dead right now xD

I'm in the middle of a game, and have to go to bed soon, but Zach is probably the last Scum. Ben was too all-in on the MZero plan from the beginning, and... well, Tange is still considerable, but the last Scum is probably going to flip Jack, so unless they're Jack Godfather, Tange is probbbbbably clear. FD is clear.

Still, gotta consider, if no Godfather is in game, does it make sense for them to kill Sheep ahead of Puns? Does Puns being alive keep Tony alive that much?

Last Scum is in Death, Crescent, Zach. Death has been helpful. Crescent has seemed Town for most of the game until she went full-tilt yesterday, and has still seemed Town through that even though not helpful.

Zach is probably the last Scum.

Also, can you explain in a little more detail why you think I'm scum for being into the Mzero plan? Also that makes me probabbbbbbably clear for the same reasons you gave on Tange >.>

Oh never mind i read it wrong. I thought you were listing all of Me Zach and Tange as scummy in the first part of the post
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The person I want to hear from the absolute most right now is FD, by the way.

FD is the last "truly confirmed" town in the game. His thoughts were probably a little too focused on bomb talk yesterday. I want his thoughts for today.

benjamin3740 posted...

>_> How serious is this?

And look, I am not usually the one to go all "Hey I get credit for this lynch". In fact I;ve never done it before. But this time I will come out and say that I pointed it out and went after Tony for it first. I also think I argued a lot with Puns who was really the only person calling Tony town. So uhh...yeah that's why I read this statement as a little fake

I mean, I've been drinking and really anxious and it's my birthday, so I'm pretty emotional. Especially since I fucking NAILED Tony D1, and then out of nowhere, Crescent is being all prissy like a poodle and 'o woe is me, tony was meen to me han must be scummmm'. And yes, I realize that being mean to Crescent means she'll tunnel me without abandon, but maybe sometimes she's better than that.

I have to get to bed and this is making me angry and that's going to interfere with that.

Anyway, Ben, not to be rude, but you've been on the backburner in terms of "influential Town". Even with your inno scan, you've acted in Scummy ways. I think you're Town based on the way you approached yesterday, but even if you were one of, or THE, first person to say Tony was Scum, it did not influence me. It probably didn't influence anybody.

But, and just to be clear, Tony's death wasn't my credit. It was 70% MZero, 20% puns, and 10% the rest of us who made the MZero plan happen. I even said it yesterday, without you guys, you included Ben, that plan might not have gone off.

What I'm taking credit for is catching Tony D1. If he didn't counterclaim Watcher and take down a Scumbuddy in the process, I would've stuck on him :\
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Ya know it may be Death.

Tony came in having no idea how the Mzero thing worked. Han was well versed in it and would have went over game plans on the scumboard to find the most beneficial uses of it for scum. But Death was absent for a lot of that stretch of time, and is a lot less likely to go over it with Tony and to try to maximize it.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Ya know it may be Death.

Tony came in having no idea how the Mzero thing worked. Han was well versed in it and would have went over game plans on the scumboard to find the most beneficial uses of it for scum. But Death was absent for a lot of that stretch of time, and is a lot less likely to go over it with Tony and to try to maximize it.

Death hasn't had any serious contribution to the last two days, the most critical days of the game. It's primarily why my certainty on Han is not super high.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

>_> How serious is this?

And look, I am not usually the one to go all "Hey I get credit for this lynch". In fact I;ve never done it before. But this time I will come out and say that I pointed it out and went after Tony for it first. I also think I argued a lot with Puns who was really the only person calling Tony town. So uhh...yeah that's why I read this statement as a little fake

I mean, I've been drinking and really anxious and it's my birthday, so I'm pretty emotional. Especially since I fucking NAILED Tony D1, and then out of nowhere, Crescent is being all prissy like a poodle and 'o woe is me, tony was meen to me han must be scummmm'. And yes, I realize that being mean to Crescent means she'll tunnel me without abandon, but maybe sometimes she's better than that.

I have to get to bed and this is making me angry and that's going to interfere with that.

Anyway, Ben, not to be rude, but you've been on the backburner in terms of "influential Town". Even with your inno scan, you've acted in Scummy ways. I think you're Town based on the way you approached yesterday, but even if you were one of, or THE, first person to say Tony was Scum, it did not influence me. It probably didn't influence anybody.

But, and just to be clear, Tony's death wasn't my credit. It was 70% MZero, 20% puns, and 10% the rest of us who made the MZero plan happen. I even said it yesterday, without you guys, you included Ben, that plan might not have gone off.

What I'm taking credit for is catching Tony D1. If he didn't counterclaim Watcher and take down a Scumbuddy in the process, I would've stuck on him :\

Um... What you've said about me is patently false going by my history, even as far back as my very first game where I was a wreck all game.

Zara and Ulti were being disgusting, sexist pigs and aggressively trying to push me into quitting the game outright. I correctly town read both of them and on the crucial day 4 I was one of the killer swing votes to kill Dowolf over Ulti.

So don't even try to accuse me of that kind of play. I was after Tony that hard because I was sure he was scum.

Admittedly I did kind of go off the rails at the end, that was due to factors that had nothing to do with the game. Tony was the one playing the garbage about me playing a victim, all I did was call him scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

>_> How serious is this?

And look, I am not usually the one to go all "Hey I get credit for this lynch". In fact I;ve never done it before. But this time I will come out and say that I pointed it out and went after Tony for it first. I also think I argued a lot with Puns who was really the only person calling Tony town. So uhh...yeah that's why I read this statement as a little fake

I mean, I've been drinking and really anxious and it's my birthday, so I'm pretty emotional. Especially since I fucking NAILED Tony D1, and then out of nowhere, Crescent is being all prissy like a poodle and 'o woe is me, tony was meen to me han must be scummmm'. And yes, I realize that being mean to Crescent means she'll tunnel me without abandon, but maybe sometimes she's better than that.

I have to get to bed and this is making me angry and that's going to interfere with that.

Anyway, Ben, not to be rude, but you've been on the backburner in terms of "influential Town". Even with your inno scan, you've acted in Scummy ways. I think you're Town based on the way you approached yesterday, but even if you were one of, or THE, first person to say Tony was Scum, it did not influence me. It probably didn't influence anybody.

But, and just to be clear, Tony's death wasn't my credit. It was 70% MZero, 20% puns, and 10% the rest of us who made the MZero plan happen. I even said it yesterday, without you guys, you included Ben, that plan might not have gone off.

What I'm taking credit for is catching Tony D1. If he didn't counterclaim Watcher and take down a Scumbuddy in the process, I would've stuck on him :\

Fair. At least the second part. I would say that you are not yet confirmed town either, so the arguments of how accurate you are also have no effect. Obviously though if you town then I will be able to concede at end game that you had the best reads.
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I think it's time to do a deep Death dive
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