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DeadSite
08/20/18 2:43:01 PM
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Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
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Delta_F14
08/20/18 2:44:18 PM
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Being able to say your opinion on a topic without being silenced, is still important.
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On_The_Edge
08/20/18 2:45:22 PM
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We fucking know

Doesn't mean private consumers can't speak out against the actions of private entities for violating the PRINCIPLES and spirit of free speech
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DeadSite
08/20/18 2:45:30 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Being able to say your opinion on a topic without being silenced, is still important.

Being able to say it, sure. Using another company's platform to say it is still punishable however and you shouldn't be surprised if you are
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 2:45:37 PM
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No. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely. You're thinking of the first amendment.
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DeadSite
08/20/18 2:46:00 PM
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On_The_Edge posted...
We fucking know

Doesn't mean private consumers can't speak out against the actions of private entities for violating the PRINCIPLES and spirit of free speech

Yeah, just means you're stupid for doing so
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MaverickXeo
08/20/18 2:47:11 PM
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DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?
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Tyranthraxus
08/20/18 2:47:16 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
No. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely. You're thinking of the first amendment.

Freedom of Speech isn't a regulation so private companies can't violate it.
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On_The_Edge
08/20/18 2:47:18 PM
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DeadSite posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
We fucking know

Doesn't mean private consumers can't speak out against the actions of private entities for violating the PRINCIPLES and spirit of free speech

Yeah, just means you're stupid for doing so

How the fuck is that stupid

It's the free market operating
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Tyranthraxus
08/20/18 2:47:34 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

They aren't.
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DeadSite
08/20/18 2:48:18 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

How are they?

On_The_Edge posted...
DeadSite posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
We fucking know

Doesn't mean private consumers can't speak out against the actions of private entities for violating the PRINCIPLES and spirit of free speech

Yeah, just means you're stupid for doing so

How the fuck is that stupid

It's the free market operating

Speaking out =/= Free market operating

Choose your words better
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
08/20/18 2:48:21 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
No. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely. You're thinking of the first amendment.


.............wut?

The First Amendment is literally what people refer to when they say "freedom of speech" In fact, the First Amendment literally says the term "freedom of speech."

or abridging the freedom of speech
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mario2000
08/20/18 2:48:49 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Being able to say your opinion on a topic without being silenced, is still important.

And if your opinion is that minorities are scum or trans people should be put to death, you will be rightly silenced for it.
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creativerealms
08/20/18 2:48:56 PM
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So Trump has no right to tell the NFL to make players stop kneeling. Thank you.
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MaverickXeo
08/20/18 2:50:49 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

They aren't.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/opinions/masterpiece-cakeshop-supreme-court-opinion-gupta/index.html
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 2:51:56 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
.............wut?

The First Amendment is literally what people refer to when they say "freedom of speech" In fact, the First Amendment literally says the term "freedom of speech."

or abridging the freedom of speech

Are you unable to read what you're posting? You just quoted a passage supporting what I said. The first amendment isn't freedom of speech. The first amendment just says congress will not enact any laws abridging it.
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mario2000
08/20/18 2:52:28 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

They aren't.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/opinions/masterpiece-cakeshop-supreme-court-opinion-gupta/index.html

Tyranthraxus posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

They aren't.

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DeadSite
08/20/18 2:52:28 PM
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creativerealms posted...
So Trump has no right to tell the NFL to make players stop kneeling. Thank you.

Sure. The NFL does though.

MaverickXeo posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

They aren't.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/opinions/masterpiece-cakeshop-supreme-court-opinion-gupta/index.html

Discrimination is not the same as speaking their minds.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
08/20/18 2:53:36 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
.............wut?

The First Amendment is literally what people refer to when they say "freedom of speech" In fact, the First Amendment literally says the term "freedom of speech."

or abridging the freedom of speech

Are you unable to read what you're posting? You just quoted a passage supporting what I said. The first amendment isn't freedom of speech. The first amendment just says congress will not enact any laws abridging it.


Nope. I just misread what you wrote. Sorry about that.
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mario2000
08/20/18 2:53:48 PM
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"I just want to be able to kick hispanics out of my restaurant in peace. Why won't the government leave me alone???"
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 2:54:38 PM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

Nope. I just misread what you wrote. Sorry about that.

's cool.
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MaverickXeo
08/20/18 2:56:10 PM
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DeadSite posted...
creativerealms posted...
So Trump has no right to tell the NFL to make players stop kneeling. Thank you.

Sure. The NFL does though.

MaverickXeo posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities
Freedom of speech protects you from the government, not private entities


Then why are business punished by governments for speaking their minds?

They aren't.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/opinions/masterpiece-cakeshop-supreme-court-opinion-gupta/index.html

Discrimination is not the same as speaking their minds.


Is it not? I may not agree with their choice, but it should be their choice who they serve and don't serve.
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Lordgold666
08/20/18 2:56:44 PM
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Do bakeries count as private entities?
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Solar_Crimson
08/20/18 2:57:05 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
No. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely. You're thinking of the first amendment.

Right, and free speech also means that if you say something stupid, people have the right to call you out on it.
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SuperMedz3
08/20/18 2:58:02 PM
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creativerealms posted...
So Trump has no right to tell the NFL to make players stop kneeling. Thank you.

Trump can say the players should not kneel he can not force them. It is the NFL who told the players to stop.
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DeadSite
08/20/18 2:59:09 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Is it not? I may not agree with their choice, but it should be their choice who they serve and don't serve.

It isn't. Feel free to look up anti-discrimination laws
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 2:59:47 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Right, and free speech also means that if you say something stupid, people have the right to call you out on it.

That's not what people take issue with, though. What people take issue with is the deplatforming.
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MaverickXeo
08/20/18 3:03:08 PM
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DeadSite posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Is it not? I may not agree with their choice, but it should be their choice who they serve and don't serve.

It isn't. Feel free to look up anti-discrimination laws


So the US does not have true freedom of speech?

If someone is discriminating, it should be their choice. If they lose business from it, it should be their choice.
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DeadSite
08/20/18 3:06:18 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
DeadSite posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Is it not? I may not agree with their choice, but it should be their choice who they serve and don't serve.

It isn't. Feel free to look up anti-discrimination laws


So the US does not have true freedom of speech?

If someone is discriminating, it should be their choice. If they lose business from it, it should be their choice.

No country has true freedom of speech.

You also can't shout fire in a packed movie theater, truly a shame

Rimmer_Dall posted...
That's not what people take issue with, though. What people take issue with is the deplatforming.

Freedom of platform doesn't exist
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 3:13:10 PM
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DeadSite posted...
Freedom of platform doesn't exist

Apparently no platform exists, since groups keep trying to force platforms with free speech off the Internet completely.

http://archive.is/phN1U

Even going so far as to remove domain registrars.

https://imgur.com/B8NgJ8t

When a small group of companies have complete control over communications and prevent anyone else from setting up their own, where then will you go?
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ultimate reaver
08/20/18 3:16:10 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of platform doesn't exist

Apparently no platform exists, since groups keep trying to force platforms with free speech off the Internet completely.

http://archive.is/phN1U

Even going so far as to remove domain registrars.

https://imgur.com/B8NgJ8t

When a small group of companies have complete control over communications and prevent anyone else from setting up their own, where then will you go?


companies don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, and everything else the alt right brings. it has nothing to do with resenting their right to free speech
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mario2000
08/20/18 3:16:50 PM
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Is it really that hard to just not be a hateful POS?
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 3:17:35 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
companies don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, and everything else the alt right brings. it has nothing to do with resenting their right to free speech

Way to completely ignore what I posted.
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The Great Muta 22
08/20/18 3:18:54 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of platform doesn't exist

Apparently no platform exists, since groups keep trying to force platforms with free speech off the Internet completely.

http://archive.is/phN1U

Even going so far as to remove domain registrars.

https://imgur.com/B8NgJ8t

When a small group of companies have complete control over communications and prevent anyone else from setting up their own, where then will you go?


companies don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, and everything else the alt right brings. it has nothing to do with resenting their right to free speech


Gab, much like voat, is utter shit and loaded with straight up hateful content repeatedly being echoed on it. That's the thing with forums with little to no moderation, it eventually just becomes a cesspool of shit
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ultimate reaver
08/20/18 3:19:11 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
companies don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, and everything else the alt right brings. it has nothing to do with resenting their right to free speech

Way to completely ignore what I posted.


I ignored the slippery slope hypothetical you tacked onto the end, but no, I addressed the rest This is a case of companies not wanting anything to do with that variety of cancer.
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mario2000
08/20/18 3:20:28 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
companies don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, and everything else the alt right brings. it has nothing to do with resenting their right to free speech

Way to completely ignore what I posted.

Actually it's a completely apt response.
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LightHawKnight
08/20/18 3:21:02 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Being able to say your opinion on a topic without being silenced, is still important.


So long as you are not being a hateful little shit that ruins other people's lives for a living.
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The Great Muta 22
08/20/18 3:21:28 PM
#38:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
companies don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, and everything else the alt right brings. it has nothing to do with resenting their right to free speech

Way to completely ignore what I posted.


Were you upset when GoDaddy decided to stop hosting The Daily Stormer?
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CableZL
08/20/18 3:21:57 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
DeadSite posted...
Freedom of platform doesn't exist

Apparently no platform exists, since groups keep trying to force platforms with free speech off the Internet completely.

http://archive.is/phN1U

Even going so far as to remove domain registrars.

https://imgur.com/B8NgJ8t

When a small group of companies have complete control over communications and prevent anyone else from setting up their own, where then will you go?


What? You can set up your own web site without going through Asia Registry. They're essentially like Godaddy. They can host your domain for you and refuse to host it if you violate their terms of service, but they can't stop you from hosting it yourself.
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_Rinku_
08/20/18 3:22:11 PM
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DeadSite posted...
creativerealms posted...
So Trump has no right to tell the NFL to make players stop kneeling. Thank you.

Sure. The NFL does though.


It could (and in my opinion, should,) be argued that the President pressuring the NFL to take action makes it an issue of the government infringing on their right to free speech.
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Damn_Underscore
08/20/18 3:22:19 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
No. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak freely. You're thinking of the first amendment.

Right, and free speech also means that if you say something stupid, people have the right to call you out on it.


And people have the (human) right to say what they want in the first place.

People ideally have the right to say and think whatever they want. But it's not good to say or think hateful things and it's also not a good thing to hate anyone.
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 3:22:41 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
So long as you are not being a hateful little shit that ruins other people's lives for a living.

You mean like SJWs? You know, those people that drove a pornstar to suicide? Destroyed a man's life after said man had just landed a probe on a comet, because said man wore a t-shirt a female friend of his had gifted to him? Destroyed a woman's future because she showed a Jordan Peterson video in a classroom? Those kinds of people?
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LightHawKnight
08/20/18 3:23:38 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
So long as you are not being a hateful little shit that ruins other people's lives for a living.

You mean like SJWs? You know, those people that drove a pornstar to suicide? Destroyed a man's life after said man had just landed a probe on a comet, because said man wore a t-shirt a female friend of his had gifted to him? Those kinds of people?


And they do get banned. Breaking the ToS should get anyone banned.
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 3:24:41 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
And they do get banned. Breaking the ToS should get anyone banned.

You have no idea what I'm referring to, do you? You think I'm speaking of something that happened on GameFAQs. Hell, GameFAQs is one of the few places that allows you to speak relatively freely.
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BLAKUboy
08/20/18 3:25:58 PM
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DeadSite posted...
Sure. The NFL does though.

Not when they purposefully leave the NFLPA out of negotiations over rule changes.
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The Great Muta 22
08/20/18 3:26:12 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
So long as you are not being a hateful little shit that ruins other people's lives for a living.

You mean like SJWs? You know, those people that drove a pornstar to suicide? Destroyed a man's life after said man had just landed a probe on a comet, because said man wore a t-shirt a female friend of his had gifted to him? Destroyed a woman's future because she showed a Jordan Peterson video in a classroom? Those kinds of people?


Ah yes, classic deflection and whataboutism.

Those people suck too, I don't know why you think because people don't care that Jones got booted that they would be fine with those actions. Do you honestly think that everyone against you believes the complete opposite about everything? Because that's stupid
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ultimate reaver
08/20/18 3:27:12 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
So long as you are not being a hateful little shit that ruins other people's lives for a living.

You mean like SJWs? You know, those people that drove a pornstar to suicide? Destroyed a man's life after said man had just landed a probe on a comet, because said man wore a t-shirt a female friend of his had gifted to him? Destroyed a woman's future because she showed a Jordan Peterson video in a classroom? Those kinds of people?


Ah yes, classic deflection and whataboutism.

Those people suck too, I don't know why you think because people don't care that Jones got booted that they would be fine with those actions. Do you honestly think that everyone against you believes the complete opposite about everything? Because that's stupid


this guys just in general really bad at what he's trying to do
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P4wn4g3
08/20/18 3:28:04 PM
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Rimmer_Dall
08/20/18 3:28:34 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
So long as you are not being a hateful little shit that ruins other people's lives for a living.

You mean like SJWs? You know, those people that drove a pornstar to suicide? Destroyed a man's life after said man had just landed a probe on a comet, because said man wore a t-shirt a female friend of his had gifted to him? Destroyed a woman's future because she showed a Jordan Peterson video in a classroom? Those kinds of people?


Ah yes, classic deflection and whataboutism.

Those people suck too, I don't know why you think because people don't care that Jones got booted that they would be fine with those actions. Do you honestly think that everyone against you believes the complete opposite about everything? Because that's stupid

It's about fairness, consistency, and avoiding "rules for thee but not for me". Compare what happened to Alex Jones and what happened to Sarah Jeong. One got booted off most of the net, the other got a cushy job and a verification on twitter.
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