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CyricZ
09/01/18 5:01:01 PM
#51:


My answer pretty easily is no, because this is a fantastical situation and not how anything works.
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SageHarpuia
09/01/18 5:03:50 PM
#52:


The greater good is that no innocent be harmed. Id rather a thousand murderers go free than one innocent be on death row. We should never hurt people who didn't actually do anything.


Tell that to the families of murder victims
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UnfairRepresent
09/01/18 5:06:07 PM
#53:


SageHarpuia posted...
The greater good is that no innocent be harmed. Id rather a thousand murderers go free than one innocent be on death row. We should never hurt people who didn't actually do anything.


Tell that to the families of murder victims

I've had family who were murdered and I agree with him.
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Offworlder1
09/01/18 5:33:50 PM
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No way, that is 10 raping pieces of shit free who will likely go on to rape even more people.
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SH_expert44
09/01/18 5:35:50 PM
#56:


1 for 10? no

1 for 1? no

2 for 1? yes
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nemu
09/01/18 5:42:21 PM
#57:


DoomsSD posted...
I think it would be interesting to repoll this at another date and make the poll with the addition that the innocent man is you. It's a little too easy to play the numbers game on this one, let's see if the "it's for the greater good" way of thinking would win out in a different scenario...

I'd let the innocent man out. The guilty aren't guaranteed to re-offend and it can always be made clear to them what they will lose if they try anything like it again- their freedom, the entireity of their genitalia... whatever. However, the innocent man is guaranteed to suffer for the rest of his life for no fault of his own and I'm not down with that.

If you're setting specific parameters for it, it ceases to be a difficult problem.
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Dyinglegacy
09/01/18 5:51:45 PM
#58:


Tough question. I would have to let the innocent one free, even if it allowed scum to walk. I'm glad I don't have to make these types of decisions.

Ideally, justice would seek out the guilty 10. If everyone knew about this deal, I somehow don't think the 10 would last long, or have any type of peace.
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Vicious_Dios
09/01/18 5:57:26 PM
#59:


Free the innocent man, but keep close tabs on those sick fucks by implanting a tracking chip in to their bodies without them knowing. They're on parole and have no business roaming about. If they don't like it, they can simply serve out the rest of their sentence. LMAO
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UnseenChaos
09/01/18 6:25:42 PM
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If we released 10 rapists to save the one innocent man, there would have to be provisions to that decision, as mentioned by some. Choosing who to set free, various tracking and checkup methods to those who were freed, etc. Id do as much as I could to ensure that innocents never get sent to prison, but like @ImTheMacheteGuy said (one of the few people in this topic who truly *get* it), there really isnt a good option here.
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BlackWoman462-X
09/01/18 6:29:39 PM
#61:


If it meant the innocent are set free...
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omega cookie
09/01/18 7:17:40 PM
#62:


To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.
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gunplagirl
09/01/18 7:20:22 PM
#63:


Falsely accused=/=falsely convicted
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CanuckCowboy
09/01/18 7:21:12 PM
#64:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
joestarrr posted...
we're at 7 rape apologists so far

wew lad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_formulation


This.

I voted no but it's a tough call tbh. My choice would probly vary if I had details on all the cases. You're just choosing how to perceive the results.
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tamashiini
09/01/18 7:21:42 PM
#65:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Zikten posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Absolutely I would.

Blackstone's rolling over in his grave at this topic.

Protecting the innocent > Punishing the guilty.

Yes this debate basically comes down to 2 opposing philosophies

Which is more important the life of an innocent or revenge on the guilty

It's also one of the big issues with religion that makes it so dangerous.

Religious people believe in an afterlife.

Therefore it matters not how much we harm, punish, torture and kill the innocent in this life because God has their back for an eternity in a pleasurable afterlife.

I completely reject that. This is it, this is life. How you treat people matters, more than anything else in the world.

You can't inprison and punish innocent men who did nothing wrong. Then you're no better than a dictactor or a racist cop pursing the "Greater Good"


Well put. I concur.
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Zodd3224
09/01/18 7:23:53 PM
#66:


omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.


This
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Rika_Furude
09/01/18 9:20:42 PM
#67:


Zodd3224 posted...
omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.


This

And by letting 10 rapists free to rape again, you are undermining the entire point of the justice system...
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GiftedACIII
09/01/18 9:34:16 PM
#68:


Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.
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Zodd3224
09/01/18 9:36:21 PM
#69:


GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.
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GiftedACIII
09/01/18 9:42:53 PM
#70:


Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.
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Neoconkers
09/01/18 9:43:34 PM
#71:


GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.

would you be willing to be that one victim?
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GiftedACIII
09/01/18 9:44:02 PM
#72:


Neoconkers posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.

would you be willing to be that one victim?

Absolutely
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thronedfire2
09/01/18 9:45:51 PM
#73:


no

those 7 will probably hurt more than one more innocent person
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Acceleration
09/01/18 9:46:21 PM
#74:


I wouldnt even trade 1:1
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Zodd3224
09/01/18 9:46:58 PM
#75:


GiftedACIII posted...
Neoconkers posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.

would you be willing to be that one victim?

Absolutely


Yeah right
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GiftedACIII
09/01/18 9:48:46 PM
#76:


Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Neoconkers posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.

would you be willing to be that one victim?

Absolutely


Yeah right


I would. Though I could also doubt that you'd be willing to let the rapists free if one of them was the rapist of your wife and kids.
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Zodd3224
09/01/18 9:50:05 PM
#77:


GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Neoconkers posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.

would you be willing to be that one victim?

Absolutely


Yeah right


I would. Though I could also doubt that you'd be willing to let the rapists free if one of them was the rapist of your wife and kids.


What if the innocent person was your only child?

Btw I would let them go, because i would be going to prison myself for murdering them myself, slowly.
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nemu
09/01/18 9:50:47 PM
#78:


So say you know without a doubt that the ten people will each rape at least one person before being arrested again and you have no way to stop them, does that change anyone's answer?
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GiftedACIII
09/01/18 9:53:57 PM
#79:


Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Neoconkers posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...


Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them.


I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up.

would you be willing to be that one victim?

Absolutely


Yeah right


I would. Though I could also doubt that you'd be willing to let the rapists free if one of them was the rapist of your wife and kids.


What if the innocent person was your only child?

Btw I would let them go, because i would be going to prison myself for murdering them myself, slowly.


I would've taught her that preventing more victims is always better so she'd be ready for it so yeah. Also, if we're going to make up extra stories then I'd just break her out.
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omega cookie
09/01/18 9:54:50 PM
#80:


Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.


This

And by letting 10 rapists free to rape again, you are undermining the entire point of the justice system...

Incorrect, and not relevant. To deny justice to an innocent man because of the potential actions of others goes against the very fabric of what justice is meant to be. The justice systems aims are, in order, protect the innocent, provide fair trials for the accused, and lastly to punish the guilty. If you change the priorities, that is no longer justice.
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sktgamer_13dude
09/01/18 9:57:57 PM
#82:


Zodd3224 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Imagine being sent to prison for no reason and people saying its "for the greater good."

Imagine thinking that releasing 10 rapists into the wild is perfectly safe and nobody will be raped by them in the future...


You should volunteer to be the guy that gets sent to prison for no reason.

Thats a shitty argument against.

What if it was you!? Huh!?

Rather would save people from being raped by known rapists. Yeah it sucks than an innocent has to take one for the team, but Id rather have 1 person suffer than the possible new victims from freeing literal rapists.

If it was flipped, Id be more keen to saying yes.
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Kineth
09/01/18 9:58:18 PM
#83:


This is a really hard question to answer.
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UltraDeku
09/01/18 10:02:52 PM
#84:


Zikten posted...
joestarrr posted...
GregShmedley posted...
joestarrr posted...
we're at 7 rape apologists so far

wew lad


You really are an obnoxious human being.


Not as obnoxious as being okay with raping people
Oh wait y'all men nvm I understand the lack of a moral compass now

You can be not ok with raping people but still care more about the life of an innocent. rape is bad but I won't ruin an innocent person's life just to sacrifice them so rapists go to prison. If I had to put one person in prison so that all criminals on earth would be punished I would just let all the crimals ofearth be free. Cause that's a deal breaker to harm the one innocent person

Holy shit, no wonder people were telling you to stay off of CE.
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omega cookie
09/01/18 10:09:11 PM
#85:


McgeesAlice808 posted...
omega cookie posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.


This

And by letting 10 rapists free to rape again, you are undermining the entire point of the justice system...

Incorrect, and not relevant. To deny justice to an innocent man because of the potential actions of others goes against the very fabric of what justice is meant to be. The justice systems aims are, in order, protect the innocent, provide fair trials for the accused, and lastly to punish the guilty. If you change the priorities, that is no longer justice.


No offense but this doesn't really mean much from someone who's willing to bypass the justice system to play judge jury and executioner yourself. You attempted to kill someone because they raped your sister. That's not part of the justice system at all.

Yes, I did. I also stood trial for that crime. That was one of two catalysts that led to me becoming an attorney. This is why I happen to know quite a bit about the meaning of justice. Two hundred years of jurisprudence agrees with me.
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HippopotamusRex
09/01/18 10:09:22 PM
#86:


This poll is eye opening. If only to show the spectacular failure of the education system.

You know what is even sadder? I bet more people would be willing to side with Blackstone's formulation if the crime was murder. The literal, capital crime and punishment of the justice system. That's how completely indoctrinated this newest generation is. Wherever our future is going is not good with people who can't grasp the basic tenet of our legal system.
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ModLogic
09/01/18 10:11:11 PM
#87:


isnt it funny how the sjws are all fuck the innocent here

yet at the same time dont apply that "for the greater good" bullshit when it comes to cowboy cops and fuckers that fight back
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CanuckCowboy
09/01/18 10:11:13 PM
#88:


HippopotamusRex posted...
This poll is eye opening. If only to show the spectacular failure of the education system.

You know what is even sadder? I bet more people would be willing to side with Blackstone's formulation if the crime was murder. The literal, capital crime and punishment of the justice system. That's how completely indoctrinated this newest generation is. Wherever our future is going is not good with people who can't grasp the basic tenet of our legal system.


What the fuck are you even saying?
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CanuckCowboy
09/01/18 10:13:35 PM
#89:


Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.


This

And by letting 10 rapists free to rape again, you are undermining the entire point of the justice system...


Lmao.

You got a weird idea about the justice system bud.

Sidenotoe.... You really think most criminals are getting caught regardless? Really?
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CanuckCowboy
09/01/18 10:15:19 PM
#90:


Kickflip posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
Kickflip posted...
Who the fuck is okay with letting 10 rapists out in the wild

It's just one innocent dude.

What if that one innocent dude was you?


I can't think of a practical scenario where this would realistically be an issue. But if for whatever reason me being locked up even though I'm innocent was the only way to keep 10 rapists off the streets, I'd sacrifice myself for the greater good.


Literally only saying this dumb shit cause you got no idea how bad that would be.

You wouldn't make it a fucking day locked.uo before you changed yer tune.
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Sphyx
09/01/18 10:16:51 PM
#91:


WaffIeElite posted...
Unquestionably yes.

This.
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immaWHOOPdatASS
09/01/18 10:23:41 PM
#93:


gunplagirl posted...
Falsely accused=/=falsely convicted


Lol what

Do you even understand what you just typed out
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omega cookie
09/01/18 10:47:32 PM
#94:


McgeesAlice808 posted...
omega cookie posted...
McgeesAlice808 posted...
omega cookie posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.


This

And by letting 10 rapists free to rape again, you are undermining the entire point of the justice system...

Incorrect, and not relevant. To deny justice to an innocent man because of the potential actions of others goes against the very fabric of what justice is meant to be. The justice systems aims are, in order, protect the innocent, provide fair trials for the accused, and lastly to punish the guilty. If you change the priorities, that is no longer justice.


No offense but this doesn't really mean much from someone who's willing to bypass the justice system to play judge jury and executioner yourself. You attempted to kill someone because they raped your sister. That's not part of the justice system at all.

Yes, I did. I also stood trial for that crime. That was one of two catalysts that led to me becoming an attorney. This is why I happen to know quite a bit about the meaning of justice. Two hundred years of jurisprudence agrees with me.


Then you would know firsthand that individual and contextual morality doesn't fit with the legal system. Things that are necessary for the legal system are morally wrong in certain contexts.
Unless of course, you just believe you're above the law. Lawyers have been known to be corrupt. I'm curious on why you got off so easily for putting someone in a coma that they're currently still in and (at least on what you've posted on CE) seem to have no remorse for it.

You truly think that, at 16 years old, I cared about anything other than revenge when a 19 year old junkie was payed by my brother to rape my 13 year old sister because I wouldn't buy him heroin? Justice never entered into the equation. I wanted to kill him, because I could, so I tried.

Your insinuation that I somehow time traveled back to being a teenager after having become an attorney to get myself off using some "corrupt" means is a bold one. Actually, "he was payed to rape my sister so I tried to kill him" is pretty much the most bulletproof defense you could ever have. No judge would ever let such an obvious acquittal go to a jury. That's the "certain context" where I was mortally untouchable.

You can keep stringing these breadcrumbs all you like, but we both know this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Unless you're privy to some information that I'm not on how me trying to kill him kept an innocent man in prison, you're just trying to troll. Poorly, I might add.
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Zodd3224
09/01/18 10:53:33 PM
#95:


Yeah, there is no justification in my mind to keeping innocent people in prison. I would rather let 100 criminals walk than lock up one innocent person.
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Rika_Furude
09/01/18 10:56:46 PM
#96:


Zodd3224 posted...
Yeah, there is no justification in my mind to keeping innocent people in prison. I would rather let 100 criminals walk than lock up one innocent person.

but its ok if those 100 murderers go kill another 1000 innocents? what a dumb opinion
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Delirious_Beard
09/01/18 10:58:26 PM
#97:


CanuckCowboy posted...
HippopotamusRex posted...
This poll is eye opening. If only to show the spectacular failure of the education system.

You know what is even sadder? I bet more people would be willing to side with Blackstone's formulation if the crime was murder. The literal, capital crime and punishment of the justice system. That's how completely indoctrinated this newest generation is. Wherever our future is going is not good with people who can't grasp the basic tenet of our legal system.


What the fuck are you even saying?


he's an incel, so probably some crazy ass shit
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DevsBro
09/01/18 11:05:22 PM
#98:


Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent--the Lord detests them both.

Proverbs 17:15
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