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CyricZ 09/01/18 5:01:01 PM #51: |
My answer pretty easily is no, because this is a fantastical situation and not how anything works.
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SageHarpuia 09/01/18 5:03:50 PM #52: |
The greater good is that no innocent be harmed. Id rather a thousand murderers go free than one innocent be on death row. We should never hurt people who didn't actually do anything. Tell that to the families of murder victims --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 09/01/18 5:06:07 PM #53: |
SageHarpuia posted...
The greater good is that no innocent be harmed. Id rather a thousand murderers go free than one innocent be on death row. We should never hurt people who didn't actually do anything. I've had family who were murdered and I agree with him. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Offworlder1 09/01/18 5:33:50 PM #55: |
No way, that is 10 raping pieces of shit free who will likely go on to rape even more people.
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SH_expert44 09/01/18 5:35:50 PM #56: |
1 for 10? no
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nemu 09/01/18 5:42:21 PM #57: |
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I think it would be interesting to repoll this at another date and make the poll with the addition that the innocent man is you. It's a little too easy to play the numbers game on this one, let's see if the "it's for the greater good" way of thinking would win out in a different scenario... If you're setting specific parameters for it, it ceases to be a difficult problem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 09/01/18 5:51:45 PM #58: |
Tough question. I would have to let the innocent one free, even if it allowed scum to walk. I'm glad I don't have to make these types of decisions.
Ideally, justice would seek out the guilty 10. If everyone knew about this deal, I somehow don't think the 10 would last long, or have any type of peace. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25404 losses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 09/01/18 5:57:26 PM #59: |
Free the innocent man, but keep close tabs on those sick fucks by implanting a tracking chip in to their bodies without them knowing. They're on parole and have no business roaming about. If they don't like it, they can simply serve out the rest of their sentence. LMAO
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UnseenChaos 09/01/18 6:25:42 PM #60: |
If we released 10 rapists to save the one innocent man, there would have to be provisions to that decision, as mentioned by some. Choosing who to set free, various tracking and checkup methods to those who were freed, etc. Id do as much as I could to ensure that innocents never get sent to prison, but like @ImTheMacheteGuy said (one of the few people in this topic who truly *get* it), there really isnt a good option here.
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BlackWoman462-X 09/01/18 6:29:39 PM #61: |
If it meant the innocent are set free...
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omega cookie 09/01/18 7:17:40 PM #62: |
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning.
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gunplagirl 09/01/18 7:20:22 PM #63: |
Falsely accused=/=falsely convicted
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CanuckCowboy 09/01/18 7:21:12 PM #64: |
Rimmer_Dall posted...
joestarrr posted...we're at 7 rape apologists so far This. I voted no but it's a tough call tbh. My choice would probly vary if I had details on all the cases. You're just choosing how to perceive the results. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tamashiini 09/01/18 7:21:42 PM #65: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Zikten posted...UnfairRepresent posted...Absolutely I would. Well put. I concur. --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 09/01/18 7:23:53 PM #66: |
omega cookie posted...
To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning. This --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 09/01/18 9:20:42 PM #67: |
Zodd3224 posted...
omega cookie posted...To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning. And by letting 10 rapists free to rape again, you are undermining the entire point of the justice system... --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 09/01/18 9:34:16 PM #68: |
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence.
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Zodd3224 09/01/18 9:36:21 PM #69: |
GiftedACIII posted...
Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. Just a reminder that you locked away an innocent, law abiding citizen with murderers and rapists and basically stole their life from them. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 09/01/18 9:42:53 PM #70: |
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. I'd rather there be one victim than countless others. And if you don't consider yourself responsible for the innocent children, women and men the freed criminals attack then by that logic I don't need to consider myself responsible for the inaction of just keeping the innocent guy locked up. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Neoconkers 09/01/18 9:43:34 PM #71: |
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. would you be willing to be that one victim? --- Girls = Time x Money. Time = Money. Girls = Money x Money = Money sq. Money = sqrt Evil: Girls = sqrt Evil sq. Girls = Evil ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 09/01/18 9:44:02 PM #72: |
Neoconkers posted...
GiftedACIII posted...Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. Absolutely --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 09/01/18 9:45:51 PM #73: |
no
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Acceleration 09/01/18 9:46:21 PM #74: |
I wouldnt even trade 1:1
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Zodd3224 09/01/18 9:46:58 PM #75: |
GiftedACIII posted...
Neoconkers posted...GiftedACIII posted...Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. Yeah right --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 09/01/18 9:48:46 PM #76: |
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...Neoconkers posted...GiftedACIII posted...Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. I would. Though I could also doubt that you'd be willing to let the rapists free if one of them was the rapist of your wife and kids. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 09/01/18 9:50:05 PM #77: |
GiftedACIII posted...
Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Neoconkers posted...GiftedACIII posted...Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Just a reminder, that any future innocent victims of rape/murder that the freed rapists commit are also indirectly your victims that you are indirectly responsible for. It's like a guard turning a blind eye to letting 10 obvious guilty convicts escape so he could help is innocent friend escape. This is YOUR negligence. What if the innocent person was your only child? Btw I would let them go, because i would be going to prison myself for murdering them myself, slowly. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nemu 09/01/18 9:50:47 PM #78: |
So say you know without a doubt that the ten people will each rape at least one person before being arrested again and you have no way to stop them, does that change anyone's answer?
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GiftedACIII 09/01/18 9:53:57 PM #79: |
Zodd3224 posted...
GiftedACIII posted...Zodd3224 posted...GiftedACIII posted...Neoconkers posted...GiftedACIII posted...Zodd3224 posted... I would've taught her that preventing more victims is always better so she'd be ready for it so yeah. Also, if we're going to make up extra stories then I'd just break her out. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omega cookie 09/01/18 9:54:50 PM #80: |
Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...omega cookie posted...To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning. Incorrect, and not relevant. To deny justice to an innocent man because of the potential actions of others goes against the very fabric of what justice is meant to be. The justice systems aims are, in order, protect the innocent, provide fair trials for the accused, and lastly to punish the guilty. If you change the priorities, that is no longer justice. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 09/01/18 9:57:57 PM #82: |
Zodd3224 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...Zodd3224 posted...Imagine being sent to prison for no reason and people saying its "for the greater good." Thats a shitty argument against. What if it was you!? Huh!? Rather would save people from being raped by known rapists. Yeah it sucks than an innocent has to take one for the team, but Id rather have 1 person suffer than the possible new victims from freeing literal rapists. If it was flipped, Id be more keen to saying yes. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 09/01/18 9:58:18 PM #83: |
This is a really hard question to answer.
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UltraDeku 09/01/18 10:02:52 PM #84: |
Zikten posted...
joestarrr posted...GregShmedley posted...joestarrr posted...we're at 7 rape apologists so far Holy shit, no wonder people were telling you to stay off of CE. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omega cookie 09/01/18 10:09:11 PM #85: |
McgeesAlice808 posted...
omega cookie posted...Rika_Furude posted...Zodd3224 posted...omega cookie posted...To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning. Yes, I did. I also stood trial for that crime. That was one of two catalysts that led to me becoming an attorney. This is why I happen to know quite a bit about the meaning of justice. Two hundred years of jurisprudence agrees with me. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HippopotamusRex 09/01/18 10:09:22 PM #86: |
This poll is eye opening. If only to show the spectacular failure of the education system.
You know what is even sadder? I bet more people would be willing to side with Blackstone's formulation if the crime was murder. The literal, capital crime and punishment of the justice system. That's how completely indoctrinated this newest generation is. Wherever our future is going is not good with people who can't grasp the basic tenet of our legal system. --- The Retro Hippo of the Retro Achievements http://retroachievements.org/User/HippopotamusRex ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 09/01/18 10:11:11 PM #87: |
isnt it funny how the sjws are all fuck the innocent here
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CanuckCowboy 09/01/18 10:11:13 PM #88: |
HippopotamusRex posted...
This poll is eye opening. If only to show the spectacular failure of the education system. What the fuck are you even saying? --- "I got a rollatruc, look." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 09/01/18 10:13:35 PM #89: |
Rika_Furude posted...
Zodd3224 posted...omega cookie posted...To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning. Lmao. You got a weird idea about the justice system bud. Sidenotoe.... You really think most criminals are getting caught regardless? Really? --- "I got a rollatruc, look." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 09/01/18 10:15:19 PM #90: |
Kickflip posted...
Zanzenburger posted...Kickflip posted...Who the fuck is okay with letting 10 rapists out in the wild Literally only saying this dumb shit cause you got no idea how bad that would be. You wouldn't make it a fucking day locked.uo before you changed yer tune. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 09/01/18 10:16:51 PM #91: |
WaffIeElite posted...
Unquestionably yes. This. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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immaWHOOPdatASS 09/01/18 10:23:41 PM #93: |
gunplagirl posted...
Falsely accused=/=falsely convicted Lol what Do you even understand what you just typed out --- Backup Conflict alt lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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omega cookie 09/01/18 10:47:32 PM #94: |
McgeesAlice808 posted...
omega cookie posted...McgeesAlice808 posted...omega cookie posted...Rika_Furude posted...Zodd3224 posted...omega cookie posted...To deny an innocent man his freedom for any reason undermines the criminal justice system at it's very core. Justice demands we protect the innocent, otherwise the rule of law has no meaning. You truly think that, at 16 years old, I cared about anything other than revenge when a 19 year old junkie was payed by my brother to rape my 13 year old sister because I wouldn't buy him heroin? Justice never entered into the equation. I wanted to kill him, because I could, so I tried. Your insinuation that I somehow time traveled back to being a teenager after having become an attorney to get myself off using some "corrupt" means is a bold one. Actually, "he was payed to rape my sister so I tried to kill him" is pretty much the most bulletproof defense you could ever have. No judge would ever let such an obvious acquittal go to a jury. That's the "certain context" where I was mortally untouchable. You can keep stringing these breadcrumbs all you like, but we both know this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Unless you're privy to some information that I'm not on how me trying to kill him kept an innocent man in prison, you're just trying to troll. Poorly, I might add. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 09/01/18 10:53:33 PM #95: |
Yeah, there is no justification in my mind to keeping innocent people in prison. I would rather let 100 criminals walk than lock up one innocent person.
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Rika_Furude 09/01/18 10:56:46 PM #96: |
Zodd3224 posted...
Yeah, there is no justification in my mind to keeping innocent people in prison. I would rather let 100 criminals walk than lock up one innocent person. but its ok if those 100 murderers go kill another 1000 innocents? what a dumb opinion --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 09/01/18 10:58:26 PM #97: |
CanuckCowboy posted...
HippopotamusRex posted...This poll is eye opening. If only to show the spectacular failure of the education system. he's an incel, so probably some crazy ass shit --- https://i.imgtc.com/hB9W4JK.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 09/01/18 11:05:22 PM #98: |
Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent--the Lord detests them both.
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UltraDeku 09/01/18 11:22:56 PM #100: |
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