Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 190: Slightly Erotic Politics

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Not saying she's better or worse than Steve King. Just saying I don't give a lot of credence to her claim that the Iowa state legislature is conspiring against her because she's running for Congress. And you shouldn't either. The story is total bunk, with a headline that gives leftists a nice dopamine rush.
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

Not saying she's better or worse than Steve King. Just saying I don't give a lot of credence to her claim that the Iowa state legislature is conspiring against her because she's running for Congress. And you shouldn't either. The story is total bunk, with a headline that gives leftists a nice dopamine rush.

I mean, to be fair...this DOES fall in line with the exact shit you've praised the GOP for doing (ends justifying the means and all that) for the past two years.
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She's better than Steve King. You can say that because it is true.
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Just read articles more critically before posting them here. This topic doesn't need to be as knee-jerky and pathetic as a progressive's Twitter feed.
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Steve King is likely the worst politician in America, a horrendous human being, and an open and proud racist. It isn't hard to be better than Steve King.

Like I am legitimately miffed that this lunatic is the best the Democrats could do.

The old 5th had a Cook Partisan Voting Index of R+9, while the new 4th has a PVI of R+4.

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That's King's district in 2012. And the democrats nominated an insane person in a democratic cycle. Unacceptable.
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That article is from June of last year. King is facing this guy: https://ballotpedia.org/J.D._Scholten
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Oh, nice. Nice

I somehow didn't notice the Facebook link in the article literally says "over a year ago" for the time stamp. And that its dated from 2017. "Oops"

LotM you are a hero.
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I didnt notice it at first either; I was just curious if the psychic had actually gotten through a primary or ran uncontested, and then saw that she wasnt even in the primary!
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My bad I was reacting to info being posted on my Facebook by people back in Iowa then went to Des Moines Register to confirm before posting it here.

Not sure why this was suddenly being posted by a bunch of people in Iowa when it's a year old.
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Maniac64 posted...

Not sure why this was suddenly being posted by a bunch of people in Iowa when it's a year old.

Someone probably started it to swirl up outrage against King, deliberately misrepresenting the timeliness of it, and then it blows up from there

FB political people do this shit all the time

Its not like you need to cheat to get people outraged over King though!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1038812262549663744

Thank you To Chairman Kim. We will both prove everyone wrong! There is nothing like good dialogue from two people that like each other!

friendly reminder that trump openly admits to "liking" a ruthless dictator.
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retweeted by trump:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmqPZBaX4AAO7li.jpg:large

spoilers: he can't stand.
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https://twitter.com/trueamerica1st/status/1038819132337254406?s=21

LOLOLOL Trump actually retweeted this

I cant really even fathom the kind of mindset it takes to have an ego that large
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/trueamerica1st/status/1038819132337254406?s=21

LOLOLOL Trump actually retweeted this

I cant really even fathom the kind of mindset it takes to have an ego that large

when he's not on the golf course he's probably frantically searching the internet for pictures like this
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https://us17.campaign-archive.com/?u=40b35ab3e6c83f389457bf3e9&id=1b8acb8bd6

The review of September 2017:

*NFL
*Hurricane season, including the beginning of Hurricane Maria
*DACA
*Paul Manafort first being told he would be indicted

And more, of course there's more.
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The Jets won so I feel like gifting you with one of my "liberal" stances that I feel very strongly about, but haven't spoken to here.

The cash bail system is philosophically abhorrent and I have yet to hear one legitimate argument for it, let alone a rationale for how this has become the standard in the US. "Stay out of jail if you have money" is so completely amoral and no one ever talks about it.

Someone please play devil's advocate.
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"Stay out of [problem] if you have money" is how almost everything in America works and yeah it's abhorrent.
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Kenri posted...

"Stay out of [problem] if you have money" is how almost everything in America works and yeah it's abhorrent.

Well yeah maybe but this is literally codified.

I really want someone with more knowledge on the subject to explain to me how this has ever been justified.
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

The Jets won so I feel like gifting you with one of my "liberal" stances that I feel very strongly about, but haven't spoken to here.

The cash bail system is philosophically abhorrent and I have yet to hear one legitimate argument for it, let alone a rationale for how this has become the standard in the US. "Stay out of jail if you have money" is so completely amoral and no one ever talks about it.

Someone please play devil's advocate.

It gets more money from rich people to help fund government services that we arent taking from them in taxes?
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Jakyl25 posted...

It gets more money from rich people to help fund government services that we arent taking from them in taxes?

Pretty gross if this is the only real reason. It's basically conceding that a fundamental right to freedom can be commodified.
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That was my best devils advocate

I dont know why it works that way either
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People should probably care more about stopping this system and also the one that disenfranchises felons for LIFE.

It baffles me that libs spend their energy on losing battles or things that really don't hurt people (like tax cuts).
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The whole prison system in its entirety is really fucked up

Week or two ago there was a dude found Not Guilty who had been sitting in Rikers for THREE YEARS awaiting trial
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You guys can actually probably get something done or at least make the GOP look awful in the process if you focus your efforts on what is imo a no-brainer.
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Afaik there's actually bipartisan support for criminal justice reform in at least the Senate, but Mitch has always let a few people who really oppose it (like Sessions) keep it off the docket.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Afaik there's actually bipartisan support for criminal justice reform in at least the Senate, but Mitch has always let a few people who really oppose it (like Sessions) keep it off the docket.

I doubt very much any prison reform deals actually address the cash bail system or disenfranchisement from a philosophical standpoint though. I would heartily fight for a constitutional amendment to eliminate those practices, if needed. My dream amendments:

1. End cash bail/disenfranchisement of felons
2. Lock the SCOTUS seats to 9 maximum
3. Change voting and draft age to 25
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

You guys can actually probably get something done or at least make the GOP look awful in the process if you focus your efforts on what is imo a no-brainer.

I sincerely do not expect much from establishment Dems on criminal justice reform, and theres still too many of them to accomplish anything without lobbyists pushing it, and all the lobbyists here are on the other side.

And as soon as you express any desire for reform the right will go SOFT ON CRIME! THEY WANT GANGS TO TAKE OVER YOUR TOWN! and its frustrating because that strategy works due to fear mongering
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Jakyl25 posted...

And as soon as you express any desire for reform the right will go SOFT ON CRIME! THEY WANT GANGS TO TAKE OVER YOUR TOWN! and its frustrating because that strategy works due to fear mongering

I feel like GPS technology renders this argument moot
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

3. Change voting and draft age to 25

Whats this about?

Does the military even WANT people over 27 if they can help it?
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Jakyl25 posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

3. Change voting and draft age to 25

Whats this about?

Does the military even WANT people over 27 if they can help it?

I want an army of people with fully developed brains. I also want an electorate with fully developed brains.
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

And as soon as you express any desire for reform the right will go SOFT ON CRIME! THEY WANT GANGS TO TAKE OVER YOUR TOWN! and its frustrating because that strategy works due to fear mongering

I feel like GPS technology renders this argument moot

The most gullible old white people dont believe in GPS technology.

I KNOW THE WAY, SUSAN!
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

I want an army of people with fully developed brains.

The Army most certainly does not <_<
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Jakyl25 posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

I want an army of people with fully developed brains.

The Army most certainly does not <_<

Well that's fine. I can't see the voting age going up without the conscription age though.

The point is no one under 25 should be voting ever.
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Like Im not even sure a military force can even be super effective unless you brainwash the grunts into believing the fight is worth their life
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

HarrietTubgirl posted...

I want an army of people with fully developed brains.

The Army most certainly does not <_<

Well that's fine. I can't see the voting age going up without the conscription age though.

The point is no one under 25 should be voting ever.

If we want fully-developed brains, then can we ban voters over the age of 65 too?
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Also yes, felon disenfranchisement post-sentence is gross
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also yes, felon disenfranchisement post-sentence is gross

I think I hate DURING sentence too but I'm less angry about it
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Its arguable. Weve already justified taking other freedoms to pay their debt to society
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also yes, felon disenfranchisement post-sentence is gross

I think I hate DURING sentence too but I'm less angry about it

I'm all for prisoners voting. They're the people who *most badly* need fair representation, and people act like convicts can't vote ethically or something which, fucking lol, as if convicts can ONLY DO CRIMES and people who aren't in prison don't also vote out of rational self-interest I mean jfc

you have my sword on this one for sure, I don't think it's even constitutional to strip someone's voting rights

Dont do the crime if you havent voted against the time
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Paratroopa1 posted...

you have my sword on this one for sure, I don't think it's even constitutional to strip someone's voting rights

Something something SOFT ON CRIME
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Paratroopa1 posted...

you have my sword on this one for sure, I don't think it's even constitutional to strip someone's voting rights

Like jak said, you can certainly take away rights if legally convicted.

I just don't like the idea of someone getting convicted of something, and having no recourse to vote for representatives who would perhaps decriminalize said crime.
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This convo reminds me of how Corrik could not comprehend someone being happy that people in prison for marijuana use would be released once it was decriminalized
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https://twitter.com/rodimusprime/status/1039358092075524096?s=21

The fact that this is a real interview with a Southerner again proves that satire is dead and will never ever return to this reality
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https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1039208773825511424?s=21

Officer on a power trip gets sued for locking up middle school girls to teach a lesson, loses lawsuit

Good
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HarrietTubgirl posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Afaik there's actually bipartisan support for criminal justice reform in at least the Senate, but Mitch has always let a few people who really oppose it (like Sessions) keep it off the docket.

I doubt very much any prison reform deals actually address the cash bail system or disenfranchisement from a philosophical standpoint though. I would heartily fight for a constitutional amendment to eliminate those practices, if needed. My dream amendments:

1. End cash bail/disenfranchisement of felons
2. Lock the SCOTUS seats to 9 maximum
3. Change voting and draft age to 25

1. Love this idea and yeah I feel like it should be common sense.
2. Love this idea and that is how a lot of non-American democracies do it (not 9 specifically but I do think that is a fairly good term limit otherwise you have people like RBG/Scalia on there until they are well past their intellectual prime).
3. I don't agree with this. Your argument for "full developed brains" isn't necessarily bad, but we let 85 year olds vote. We let people who think Sandy Hook was a government conspiracy vote. I think 21 is old enough to at least understand the issues if they try. There are plenty of people less acute than 21 year olds voting.

2/3 not bad for someone I previously thought I had almost nothing in common with other than a hatred of Trump two years ago tbqh
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Suprak the Stud posted...

2. Love this idea and that is how a lot of non-American democracies do it (not 9 specifically but I do think that is a fairly good term limit otherwise you have people like RBG/Scalia on there until they are well past their intellectual prime).

I think he means the number of seats?

Which, like, honestly seems irrelevant to me, nobody's going to do it

I'm also more concerned with term limits

As for the voting age to 25 thing, I like KIND OF get the idea behind it mainly just because I do think 25 is the age at which most people reach actual adulthood, but it's still arbitrary, and adulthood need not serve as a barrier to voting in the first place. Most adults don't fucking reach adulthood anyway. Tons of 18-24 year olds are far more informed than their older counterparts and blocking them from voting only serves to skew the vote to older people, which I notice skews the vote towards republican, and I notice who conveniently suggested this change. Really, most adults are fucking stupid about their vote anyway, and being intelligent isn't a prerequisite EVEN IF 18-24 year olds were all stupid, which isn't true. People vote in their self-interest and people younger than 25 still have that.

I actually believe that people under 18 who pays taxes should be allowed to vote. Not being allowed to is taxation without representation and, you know. Honestly, if you're old enough to legally be allowed to work, you should be able to vote too.

Paratroopa1 posted...

I actually believe that people under 18 who pays taxes should be allowed to vote.

You count sales tax and you get into some funny stuff

CHILD SUFFRAGE, the newest comedy from Adam Sandler
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Jakyl25 posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

I actually believe that people under 18 who pays taxes should be allowed to vote.

You count sales tax and you get into some funny stuff

CHILD SUFFRAGE, the newest comedy from Adam Sandler

Sales taxes should be abolished anyway

I did mean income tax though

oh hey RIP this topic