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CEs_EFG 09/09/18 5:55:35 AM #102:	hollow_shrine posted... Absolute monarchy? Like what even is this? This one can either be really really good or really really bad theres usually no in between Communisn is almost always bad --- http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA https://imgur.com/8ImkFTt https://imgur.com/iVota https://imgur.com/vIs64 <cite>CEs_EFG posted [p:908393556] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Absolute monarchy? Like what even is this?</quote> This one can either be really really good or really really bad theres usually no in between Communisn is almost always bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 09/09/18 5:57:42 AM #103:	people who think communism is anything but the worst should watch the documentary "The Soviet Story". --- https://i.imgtc.com/3owskMW.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:908393590] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote>people who think communism is anything but the worst should watch the documentary "The Soviet Story".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MARKINGRAM22 09/09/18 6:00:02 AM #104:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... jumi posted... MARKINGRAM22 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... > "Communism has never been given a real chance, it has never been successfully implemented! The socialists and communists in the Soviet Union and other countries who literally openly said they were implementing Marx's ideas were not actual communists!!1111" > "Oh you know the native Americans from hundreds of years before Marx? They seized the means of production and everyone was equal and they actually practiced communism!!1111" lmfao The native Americans werent even close to communist. They had very little government structure. Communism is an economic system, not a governing one. Communism is both an economic system and a governance model. Ultimately economics and governance are heavily intertwined so you can't really have one without the other. Communism is only an economic system. How an economy distributes goods is an economic issue. How an economy is taxed is a government issue. And yes, Native American economics is the most successful form of communism detailed. Native Americans are first of all, not one society, the Navajo are not the same as the Mayans. So you are ignorant from the get go. They also didnt have a centralized government that forced their citizens to equally divide their goods by force with no escape, denied any ownership, believe in violent overthrows of the wealthy as a pillar of their society, etc. None is of them really had the arm of the state on them much at all. <cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted [p:908393639] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>> "Communism has never been given a real chance, it has never been successfully implemented! The socialists and communists in the Soviet Union and other countries who literally openly said they were implementing Marx's ideas were not actual communists!!1111" > "Oh you know the native Americans from hundreds of years before Marx? They seized the means of production and everyone was equal and they actually practiced communism!!1111" lmfao</quote> The native Americans werent even close to communist. They had very little government structure.</quote> Communism is an economic system, not a governing one.</quote> Communism is both an economic system and a governance model. Ultimately economics and governance are heavily intertwined so you can't really have one without the other.</quote> Communism is only an economic system. How an economy distributes goods is an economic issue. How an economy is taxed is a government issue. And yes, Native American economics is the most successful form of communism detailed.</quote> Native Americans are first of all, not one society, the Navajo are not the same as the Mayans. So you are ignorant from the get go. They also didnt have a centralized government that forced their citizens to equally divide their goods by force with no escape, denied any ownership, believe in violent overthrows of the wealthy as a pillar of their society, etc. None is of them really had the arm of the state on them much at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/09/18 6:06:33 AM #105:	MakoReizei posted... people who think communism is anything but the worst should watch the documentary "The Soviet Story". We watched a lot of footage in regards to famine and violence created under regimes such as that in my economics and world history classes. People who think they understand sociopolitical economics, as well as European history know that Russia had a shitty economy compared to the rest of Europe and was mostly agrarian. Their economy was not one of stable economic growth and their governance soon became autocratic when Stalin backstabbed Trotsky and turned the Soviet party in a different direction, very similar to Hitler's powergrab with the Nazi party. If you think Communism is a political system, you need to read some economic textbooks regarding the different economic models and systems and need to read up on European history since the creation of the US. These statements are not meant to downplay the carnage under the regimes at all. I think the blame is not being levied in the proper places. Yes, the economic systems under the regimes is to blame, but there's many, many more reasons why things ended up the way they did than an economic theory. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:908393770] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>people who think communism is anything but the worst should watch the documentary "The Soviet Story".</quote> We watched a lot of footage in regards to famine and violence created under regimes such as that in my economics and world history classes. People who think they understand sociopolitical economics, as well as European history know that Russia had a shitty economy compared to the rest of Europe and was mostly agrarian. Their economy was not one of stable economic growth and their governance soon became autocratic when Stalin backstabbed Trotsky and turned the Soviet party in a different direction, very similar to Hitler's powergrab with the Nazi party. If you think Communism is a political system, you need to read some economic textbooks regarding the different economic models and systems and need to read up on European history since the creation of the US. These statements are not meant to downplay the carnage under the regimes at all. I think the blame is not being levied in the proper places. Yes, the economic systems under the regimes is to blame, but there's many, many more reasons why things ended up the way they did than an economic theory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/09/18 6:11:32 AM #106:	MARKINGRAM22 posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... jumi posted... MARKINGRAM22 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... > "Communism has never been given a real chance, it has never been successfully implemented! The socialists and communists in the Soviet Union and other countries who literally openly said they were implementing Marx's ideas were not actual communists!!1111" > "Oh you know the native Americans from hundreds of years before Marx? They seized the means of production and everyone was equal and they actually practiced communism!!1111" lmfao The native Americans werent even close to communist. They had very little government structure. Communism is an economic system, not a governing one. Communism is both an economic system and a governance model. Ultimately economics and governance are heavily intertwined so you can't really have one without the other. Communism is only an economic system. How an economy distributes goods is an economic issue. How an economy is taxed is a government issue. And yes, Native American economics is the most successful form of communism detailed. Native Americans are first of all, not one society, the Navajo are not the same as the Mayans. So you are ignorant from the get go. I didn't want to go into specifics. The point is that there were communist economies in some, mostly Midwestern and Great Plains, tribes. You're right that I put too many varying cultures under one umbrella. So having said that, you get my point, surely. They also didnt have a centralized government that forced their citizens to equally divide their goods by force with no escape, denied any ownership, believe in violent overthrows of the wealthy as a pillar of their society, etc. None is of them really had the arm of the state on them much at all. Centralized government isn't a requirement for communism. Decentralized government is much more aligned with the end game for communism than central planning. Considering that communism is supposed to be about giving the means of productions to the laborers and workers and remove a classist system, it stands to reason that creating a ruling class would run counter to the goal and implementation of the system. That's a succinct summary of why I scoff at what some consider to be communism. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:908393866] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote><cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>jumi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MARKINGRAM22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>> "Communism has never been given a real chance, it has never been successfully implemented! The socialists and communists in the Soviet Union and other countries who literally openly said they were implementing Marx's ideas were not actual communists!!1111" > "Oh you know the native Americans from hundreds of years before Marx? They seized the means of production and everyone was equal and they actually practiced communism!!1111" lmfao</quote> The native Americans werent even close to communist. They had very little government structure.</quote> Communism is an economic system, not a governing one.</quote> Communism is both an economic system and a governance model. Ultimately economics and governance are heavily intertwined so you can't really have one without the other.</quote> Communism is only an economic system. How an economy distributes goods is an economic issue. How an economy is taxed is a government issue. And yes, Native American economics is the most successful form of communism detailed.</quote> Native Americans are first of all, not one society, the Navajo are not the same as the Mayans. So you are ignorant from the get go.</quote> I didn't want to go into specifics. The point is that there were communist economies in some, mostly Midwestern and Great Plains, tribes. You're right that I put too many varying cultures under one umbrella. So having said that, you get my point, surely. <quote>They also didnt have a centralized government that forced their citizens to equally divide their goods by force with no escape, denied any ownership, believe in violent overthrows of the wealthy as a pillar of their society, etc. None is of them really had the arm of the state on them much at all.</quote> Centralized government isn't a requirement for communism. Decentralized government is much more aligned with the end game for communism than central planning. Considering that communism is supposed to be about giving the means of productions to the laborers and workers and remove a classist system, it stands to reason that creating a ruling class would run counter to the goal and implementation of the system. That's a succinct summary of why I scoff at what some consider to be communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 09/09/18 6:30:49 AM #107:	Can someone name me one successful first world country that doesn't rely on both capitalism and socialism? Because you can't. --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:908394257] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote>Can someone name me one successful first world country that doesn't rely on both capitalism and socialism? Because you can't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/09/18 6:31:14 AM #108:	Oatcakes posted... Can someone name me one successful first world country that doesn't rely on both capitalism and socialism? Because you can't. ^5 --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:908394265] in Communism ... [t:76979460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Oatcakes posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone name me one successful first world country that doesn't rely on both capitalism and socialism? Because you can't.</quote> ^5</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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