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NibeIungsnarf
09/11/18 6:01:51 PM
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Maybe white people just don't really wanna discuss deeper issues with you frisee because of your no doubt shitty personality and your inability to hide your agenda.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/18 6:02:52 PM
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I'm sure this topic will tread on new ground.
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LittleScootaIoo
09/11/18 6:05:27 PM
#54:


FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Well for one, there's the issue that staying in school, getting an education is often frowned upon and considered submitting to the man.
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FrisbeeDude
09/11/18 6:05:46 PM
#55:


LittleScootaIoo posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Well for one, there's the issue that staying in school, getting an education is often frowned upon and considered submitting to the man.


lmfao who told you this?
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Fony
09/11/18 6:07:07 PM
#56:


FrisbeeDude posted...
LittleScootaIoo posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Well for one, there's the issue that staying in school, getting an education is often frowned upon and considered submitting to the man.


lmfao who told you this?


A stereotype laden motion picture probably.
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:07:32 PM
#57:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
Maybe white people just don't really wanna discuss deeper issues with you frisee because of your no doubt shitty personality and your inability to hide your agenda.

tais-toi. frisbee is one of the greatest posters on this board and is always fighting for what's right.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/18 6:11:05 PM
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People have so much control over their own lives, it basically always boils down to person choices, versus having to play 7 Degrees of how whites are responsible.
*shrug*
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_Squirtle_
09/11/18 6:12:10 PM
#59:


FrisbeeDude posted...
LittleScootaIoo posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Well for one, there's the issue that staying in school, getting an education is often frowned upon and considered submitting to the man.


lmfao who told you this?


Go to some inner city schools

some kids that try to do well actually get beat up for trying to succeed. I've seen it firsthand. Hell I was talking to a teacher of a Milwaukee public high school who said that the Principal forced him to offer extra credit so more kids could graduate. So he did, and none of them did the work.
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LittleScootaIoo
09/11/18 6:12:59 PM
#60:


Fony posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
LittleScootaIoo posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Well for one, there's the issue that staying in school, getting an education is often frowned upon and considered submitting to the man.


lmfao who told you this?


A stereotype laden motion picture probably.


So you guys are saying this is no longer a thing?

Yea ok, roflmao
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SuperMedz3
09/11/18 6:13:37 PM
#61:


FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility? Please teach me
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:14:49 PM
#62:


@SuperMedz3 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
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SuperMedz3
09/11/18 6:16:29 PM
#63:


Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

I do not own any slaves
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Oh_Boy_
09/11/18 6:17:46 PM
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:17:49 PM
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@SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

I do not own any slaves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex
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EdgeMaster
09/11/18 6:20:04 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/18 6:20:50 PM
#67:


Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

I do not own any slaves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex


He goes not own stock in private prisons. (I hope.)
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Comfy_Pillow
09/11/18 6:20:51 PM
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Oh_Boy_ posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
People have so much control over their own lives, it basically always boils down to person choices, versus having to play 7 Degrees of how whites are responsible.
*shrug*


La La La so much control La La La

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/new-report-finds-auto-dealerships-discriminate-against-people-color-n837136

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auto-loan-rates-higher-for-blacks/

https://wtop.com/real-estate/2018/02/8-lenders-that-arent-serving-people-of-color-for-home-loans/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/do-car-dealerships-discriminate-against-some-races-2018-01-11

https://www.tmccsettlement.com/


most of these are about car dealerships. If you're buying a car from a dealership you're probably in a good spot financially. Or you should be anyways.

No broke person around here buys from the dealership. They go to craigslist. This wouldn't keep somebody from being successful, despite being shitty.
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SuperMedz3
09/11/18 6:20:51 PM
#69:


Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

I do not own any slaves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex

Any race can work for the justice system.
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Fony
09/11/18 6:21:11 PM
#70:


EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


This is not a bad post, I actually agree with eliminating such terrible values. I want to ask you though, do you think this explains all the problems with black Americans, all the issues they face and do you think this explains why white people(some) think and feel the way they do? Do you think these values are ubiquitous among black people?
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:22:58 PM
#71:


SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
@SuperMedz3 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Frisbee mad that white people can't be blamed for all the ills of black people

Water is wet


No, I'm wondering why white people typically only feel comfortable discussing race when it's from a position that they can absolve themselves of responsibility.

what responsibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States

I do not own any slaves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison%E2%80%93industrial_complex

Any race can work for the justice system.

that does not exclude the fact that minorities are oppressed by whites via the prison complex.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/18 6:23:10 PM
#72:


Oh_Boy_ posted...
La La La so much control La La La


Congrats, you can post a few examples of discrimination. That changes nothing.
Did you really interpret my post to be something like, "there are no examples of modern discrimination"?
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Oh_Boy_
09/11/18 6:23:35 PM
#73:


The answer to racism and discrimination is to not try to have anything, or buy something second hand from a shady website...lmao. forget about being treatred equally by a business or the law.
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3rd_Best_Master
09/11/18 6:28:02 PM
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Weird how the people asking for examples immediately become dismissive when supplied with what they're asking for.
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SuperMedz3
09/11/18 6:28:50 PM
#75:


Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
that does not exclude the fact that minorities are oppressed by whites via the prison complex.

It is a white person fault that a black judge sentenced a minority to prison after a minority pleaded guilty or was found guilty by a jury of their peers?
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/11/18 6:29:15 PM
#76:


There are plenty of black people who has been ultra successful. The ones who made it to the top worked hard and refuse to allow the negative noise in their lives. There's negative noise in every ethnicity, every community and it's up to the individual to filter it out. How do you think Obama go to the top?

The losers, the failures constantly cling on to excuses and point out edge case on why their lives are so pathetic. They constantly look for negative articles, fill their lives with hatred, bath in their tears and wallow in their own negativity. These are the people that will forever complain about their lives and never do anything about it. Do you know why? It's easier to sit around and complain all day like TC than to actually do something worthwhile.

You can either choose to be a victim or a winner. It's up to you.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/18 6:29:30 PM
#77:


SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
that does not exclude the fact that minorities are oppressed by whites via the prison complex.

It is a white person fault that a black judge sentenced a minority to prison after a minority pleaded guilty or was found guilty by a jury of their peers?


Who passed the laws?! /S
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Darmik
09/11/18 6:30:46 PM
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People who think black people in poor communities are still treated fairly in the US should look up the Kalief Browder story.
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:31:07 PM
#79:


SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
that does not exclude the fact that minorities are oppressed by whites via the prison complex.

It is a white person fault that a black judge sentenced a minority to prison after a minority pleaded guilty or was found guilty by a jury of their peers?

the judge has nothing to do with the way the white legislators and prison owners have set up the prison complex in order to provide cheap slave labour for massive corporations.
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AmericaTheBrave
09/11/18 6:31:13 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
eston posted...
Because white people are responsible

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gamepimp12
09/11/18 6:34:02 PM
#81:


This topic is funny cause its a bunch of people doing exactly what he asked about.

The issues are historical and multicultural. But some white peoples like to simplify the problems to stop being lazy and listening to rap music.
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AmericaTheBrave
09/11/18 6:34:25 PM
#82:


Dusk_ posted...
Because instead of blaming White people for everything. We want them to take responsibility and look at the real issues.

How certain youth is raised, how they interact with authority figures Etc. The toxic way of thinking in many low income black communities needs to change.


How would that address redlining, prison sentence disparity, loan discrimination, etc.?
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gamepimp12
09/11/18 6:37:53 PM
#83:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Because instead of blaming White people for everything. We want them to take responsibility and look at the real issues.

How certain youth is raised, how they interact with authority figures Etc. The toxic way of thinking in many low income black communities needs to change.


How would that address redlining, prison sentence disparity, loan discrimination, etc.?


Apparently, every Black youth, steals and robs because its fun
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FrisbeeDude
09/11/18 6:39:16 PM
#84:


EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


Do you have any evidence to suggest the black community generally places a low value on education while encouraging violence, crime and drug use? Those are bold claims.
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FrisbeeDude
09/11/18 6:42:49 PM
#85:


gamepimp12 posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Because instead of blaming White people for everything. We want them to take responsibility and look at the real issues.

How certain youth is raised, how they interact with authority figures Etc. The toxic way of thinking in many low income black communities needs to change.


How would that address redlining, prison sentence disparity, loan discrimination, etc.?


Apparently, every Black youth, steals and robs because its fun


Also, which is news to me, we encourage these activities, while shunning getting an education...this is what white people believe about the black community in 2018. The ignorance would be hilarious if it wasnt sp depressing
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Bloodychess
09/11/18 6:43:40 PM
#86:


EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.

Pretty much what i saw during my time teaching at an inner school
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CasualGuy
09/11/18 6:43:47 PM
#87:


FrisbeeDude posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


Do you have any evidence to suggest the black community generally places a low value on education while encouraging violence, crime and drug use? Those are bold claims.


Are they?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/18 6:45:10 PM
#88:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Also, which is news to me, we encourage these activities, while shunning getting an education...this is what white people believe about the black community in 2018. The ignorance would be hilarious if it wasnt sp depressing


Why are graduation rates for blacks so much lower?
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FrisbeeDude
09/11/18 6:45:37 PM
#89:


CasualGuy posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


Do you have any evidence to suggest the black community generally places a low value on education while encouraging violence, crime and drug use? Those are bold claims.


Are they?


Yes...and "Bold" is being REALLY polite
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EdgeMaster
09/11/18 6:50:22 PM
#90:


Fony posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


This is not a bad post, I actually agree with eliminating such terrible values. I want to ask you though, do you think this explains all the problems with black Americans, all the issues they face and do you think this explains why white people(some) think and feel the way they do? Do you think these values are ubiquitous among black people?


Not all the problems but many. Even fatherless children (its living proof of evidence you hit that, and doubles as a right of passage into womanhood for girls, complete with a paycheck in an area without many job opportunities). The cultural values exacerbate their problems. By "their" I mean the community, certainly it does not apply to everyone with black skin.

And no they aren't ubiquitous but the majority does hold these values.

AmericaTheBrave posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Because instead of blaming White people for everything. We want them to take responsibility and look at the real issues.

How certain youth is raised, how they interact with authority figures Etc. The toxic way of thinking in many low income black communities needs to change.


How would that address redlining, prison sentence disparity, loan discrimination, etc.?


These problems are not exclusive to black people. Prison sentence disparity is a lol no. That's a rich vs poor and the lawyers (and bail) they can afford issue. Also lol loan discrimination. Try graduating college. No one will give you a loan because you have far too much debt for the entry level pay you make.
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EdgeMaster
09/11/18 6:51:56 PM
#91:


FrisbeeDude posted...
CasualGuy posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


Do you have any evidence to suggest the black community generally places a low value on education while encouraging violence, crime and drug use? Those are bold claims.


Are they?


Yes...and "Bold" is being REALLY polite


Lol. Listen to a rap song, better yet, go to a high school where half the students are black.
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:53:52 PM
#92:


EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
CasualGuy posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
EdgeMaster posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...

This is actually a very smart post. The mindset and sub culture is what holds these communities back. It has nothing to do with being black btw, it would damage any community.


can you expand on this?


Generally a fucked up system of values. Like placing a low value on education while simultaneously encouraging violence, drug use and general mischief.


Do you have any evidence to suggest the black community generally places a low value on education while encouraging violence, crime and drug use? Those are bold claims.


Are they?


Yes...and "Bold" is being REALLY polite


Lol. Listen to a rap song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5MMmEygsY" data-time="

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SuperMedz3
09/11/18 6:53:53 PM
#93:


Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
that does not exclude the fact that minorities are oppressed by whites via the prison complex.

It is a white person fault that a black judge sentenced a minority to prison after a minority pleaded guilty or was found guilty by a jury of their peers?

the judge has nothing to do with the way the white legislators and prison owners have set up the prison complex in order to provide cheap slave labour for massive corporations.

Not all legislators and people who invest in corporations are white
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/11/18 6:54:47 PM
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Some of you guys are so oblivious. It's like asking you guys to look into the sun and all you see is a blinding light and you refuse to understand it.

Some of you guys have no idea what it takes to be able to compete with some of the smartest people in the world. It's not simply getting an education. It's a laser focus on education and mastering your craft, whatever it may be.

The black community certainly doesn't hold education to the same level of importance as the Asian community and that's a fact. The Nigerians do though, that's why so many of them are successful. You can't just go to school and expect to make it. That's the same as a fat girl trying to lose weight saying she goes out for walks. That's the bare minimum.

You can go do school, but if you deviate from education by hanging out with their friends 3-5 hours a day, you already lost to the kid who spend that 3-5 extra hours a day studying or focusing on education. You already fucking lost. Education is a lifestyle for some people, not a daily chore.

The difference between success and failure is passion. And you some of you guys have no passion. Just excuses.
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 6:56:00 PM
#95:


SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
SuperMedz3 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
that does not exclude the fact that minorities are oppressed by whites via the prison complex.

It is a white person fault that a black judge sentenced a minority to prison after a minority pleaded guilty or was found guilty by a jury of their peers?

the judge has nothing to do with the way the white legislators and prison owners have set up the prison complex in order to provide cheap slave labour for massive corporations.

Not all legislators and people who invest in corporations are white

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44762.pdf

funny, even though i knew this already, it took me 50 seconds to find this information online and it seems the majority of them are white.
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Darmik
09/11/18 6:56:49 PM
#96:


What's the deal with people who have likely never lived in any sort of poverty in their life telling people how to deal with it like they're experts on the subject?

This is the same board that has a whole lot of users who can't even handle talking to women.
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/11/18 7:01:40 PM
#97:


Darmik posted...
What's the deal with people who have likely never lived in any sort of poverty in their life telling people how to deal with it like they're experts on the subject?

This is the same board that has a whole lot of users who can't even handle talking to women.


If you are talking about me, just say so. Don't beat around the bush.
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Le__seul_dieu__
09/11/18 7:02:57 PM
#98:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Darmik posted...
What's the deal with people who have likely never lived in any sort of poverty in their life telling people how to deal with it like they're experts on the subject?

This is the same board that has a whole lot of users who can't even handle talking to women.


If you are talking about me, just say so. Don't beat around the bush.

if the shoe fits buddy.
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Taharqa_
09/11/18 7:05:33 PM
#99:


Darmik posted...
What's the deal with people who have likely never lived in any sort of poverty in their life telling people how to deal with it like they're experts on the subject?

This is the same board that has a whole lot of users who can't even handle talking to women.


Well you kinda answered your own question. I doubt many of the users here have black friends or hang out with black people of varying socioeconomic statuses.
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3rd_Best_Master
09/11/18 7:06:26 PM
#100:


Darmik posted...
What's the deal with people who have likely never lived in any sort of poverty in their life telling people how to deal with it like they're experts on the subject?

This is the same board that has a whole lot of users who can't even handle talking to women.

I think it's even weirder that CE has so many people that can recognize and readily espouse how your income can play a huge factor in determining your lives trajectory, yet when you ask them to consider how race and income are correlated in America and their brain short-circuits. It's like they desperately want to have the same conversation that TC is trying to have with them, yet they refuse to make that final leap because doing so hurts their feelings and makes them uncomfortable.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/11/18 7:07:46 PM
#101:


when you can identify a historical pattern of disingenuousness within certain demographics, it's kind of a waste of time asking the reason behind the insincerity... like, are you expecting honest responses?

all you'll get are fragile folk playing dumb. rule #1 in the ol' "I don't get it" playbook.
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