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EpicKingdom_
09/21/18 6:35:37 PM
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When you lose your life over garbage, video in link.

https://abc13.com/father-and-son-charged-with-killing-man-over-fight-about-trash/4304099/
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Tyranthraxus
09/21/18 6:36:09 PM
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Trash killed someone over trash.
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ehhwhatever
09/21/18 6:41:00 PM
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I'm only happy when it rains" was released 23 years ago today.
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spudger
09/21/18 6:44:27 PM
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Texas
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EpicKingdom_
09/21/18 6:45:39 PM
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The question is, fair next or no?
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SquirrelyDan
09/21/18 6:45:40 PM
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Those two will be banging each other in prison.
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lifeamovie
09/21/18 6:46:34 PM
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watched the video, he stood his ground legally

when someone pulls out a gun that means you back off and leave them alone
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EpicKingdom_
09/21/18 6:47:15 PM
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lifeamovie posted...
watched the video, he stood his ground legally

when someone pulls out a gun that means you back off and leave them alone


The guy that was angry was making death threats too.
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GiftedACIII
09/21/18 6:47:29 PM
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That was blatantly not murder. No pre-mediation. There are a bunch of other mitigating factors like him being warned to back off and the guy making death threats and had a baseball bat. Not sure if it's enough to go with self defense though.
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SquirrelyDan
09/21/18 6:48:18 PM
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They literally killed him over a mattress' disposal. I hope they try to flee and get killed on the run by some Texas police.
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EpicKingdom_
09/21/18 7:05:51 PM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
They literally killed him over a mattress' disposal.


It really goes both ways, you could reword your sentence as the victim literally killed himself over a mattress.

i.e. making death threats, holding a weapon (or throwing something), daring them to shoot, etc.
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Sphyx
09/21/18 7:08:21 PM
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"Garbage day!"
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SquirrelyDan
09/21/18 7:09:23 PM
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EpicKingdom_ posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
They literally killed him over a mattress' disposal.


It really goes both ways, you could reword your sentence as the victim literally killed himself over a mattress.

i.e. making death threats, holding a weapon (or throwing something), daring them to shoot, etc.

Oh no, his words were scary so they had to kill him. Gtfo.
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tremain07
09/21/18 7:11:06 PM
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Death threats were made, dude had every right to shoot after that.
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MabusIncarnate
09/21/18 7:13:28 PM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
They literally killed him over a mattress' disposal.


It really goes both ways, you could reword your sentence as the victim literally killed himself over a mattress.

i.e. making death threats, holding a weapon (or throwing something), daring them to shoot, etc.

Oh no, his words were scary so they had to kill him. Gtfo.

If you watched the video, granted the one provided in this link i'm not sure shows the entire thing, but the man repeats over and over "i'm going to kill you" and at the end, advances, and in a few frames you can see the armed man with the pistol defending himself from what seems like the baseball bat thrown at him and striking him, which resulted in the other guy shooting him with the shotgun. He threatened, he advanced, and he struck one of them with a bat. It was more than just words, there was a violent confrontation before the shooting, the guys wife who was filming all of it did her best to cut away the second he started to advance and attack the armed man.
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WesternMedia
09/21/18 7:19:19 PM
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SquirrelyDan posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
They literally killed him over a mattress' disposal.


It really goes both ways, you could reword your sentence as the victim literally killed himself over a mattress.

i.e. making death threats, holding a weapon (or throwing something), daring them to shoot, etc.

Oh no, his words were scary so they had to kill him. Gtfo.

eh, death threats are a bit more than just words, legally at least.
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EpicKingdom_
09/21/18 7:26:36 PM
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WesternMedia posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
SquirrelyDan posted...
They literally killed him over a mattress' disposal.


It really goes both ways, you could reword your sentence as the victim literally killed himself over a mattress.

i.e. making death threats, holding a weapon (or throwing something), daring them to shoot, etc.

Oh no, his words were scary so they had to kill him. Gtfo.

eh, death threats are a bit more than just words, legally at least.


This.
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EpicKingdom_
09/22/18 1:44:07 AM
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Sanga Vailo
09/22/18 1:54:14 AM
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Wasted life. Tragic. Theyre all wrong. The confrontation was worthless.
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JacquesArc
09/22/18 2:04:19 AM
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Typical Trump supporters. I hope they have hard time in prison.
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Dusk_
09/22/18 2:09:38 AM
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Can't feel bad for the guy. Seemed to be the aggressor, made threats and wouldn't back off when two people had guns in front of him.
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MabusIncarnate
09/22/18 2:10:04 AM
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All the guy had to do was walk away and he would still be alive.

No one was in the right, but it could have ended peacefully.
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EpicKingdom_
09/22/18 2:17:23 AM
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Goats posted...
The guy uttered threats and the shooter made it clear he wasn't fooling around. While I think the circumstances surrounding the shooting are horrible, pathetic, and sad...it wasn't murder the guy and his son were clearly defending themselves against a dude who was going to do them harm steelix


I agree.

Now, did they plan for this deep down? Maybe. Apparently, this mattress argument was going on for a few days. However, in the video... everything seems to be going their way in terms of the victim making threats and not backing off.
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MabusIncarnate
09/22/18 2:19:29 AM
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Goats posted...
The guy uttered threats and the shooter made it clear he wasn't fooling around. While I think the circumstances surrounding the shooting are horrible, pathetic, and sad...it wasn't murder the guy and his son were clearly defending themselves against a dude who was going to do them harm steelix

He literally said "I'll fucking kill you, i'll take your gun and put a bullet in your head" followed by some vulgar homophobic slurs.

If that isn't a threat, I don't know what is. All the other guy continued to say is "Back off, back up" like 15+ times. Calmly. He drew the line and the guy in the orange shirt aggressively crossed it. It's like he wanted it to happen.

I'm assuming the first two shots were warning shots, because after the first couple pops, the guy in orange threw a bat at him, and if he was shot anywhere, he likely wouldn't have reacted by throwing a bat, he would have dropped it. It's the other guy that placed a shotgun blast in his face that ended it immediately.

Unedited version of the video made it pretty clear that the one shotgun shot landed as a headshot.
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MelzezDoor
09/22/18 2:35:31 AM
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Fair, next. Don't instigate a fight then claim you were standing your ground. What the fuck.
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YukihoHagiwara
09/22/18 3:11:53 AM
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Sphyx posted...
"Garbaage day!"

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DragonGirlYuki
09/23/18 9:24:11 PM
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Huh neat.
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FrisbeeDude
09/23/18 9:26:52 PM
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responsible gun owners
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Jagermeister513
09/23/18 9:28:14 PM
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Typical West Texas trash, all of them.
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jukester
09/23/18 9:31:50 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
All the guy had to do was walk away and he would still be alive.

No one was in the right, but it could have ended peacefully.


The guys with the guns could've walked away. Does having a gun in one's hand entitle them to not have to walk away from a situation that everyone should walk away from?
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Number090684
09/23/18 9:37:42 PM
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Sphyx posted...
"Garbage day!"


lol Nice reference. Haha, I know I shouldn't laugh considering someone foolishly lost their life over absolute nonsense but still....
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DragonGirlYuki
09/23/18 10:03:25 PM
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Post 34 was likely self deleted.
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MabusIncarnate
09/23/18 10:38:12 PM
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jukester posted...
MabusIncarnate posted...
All the guy had to do was walk away and he would still be alive.

No one was in the right, but it could have ended peacefully.


The guys with the guns could've walked away. Does having a gun in one's hand entitle them to not have to walk away from a situation that everyone should walk away from?

No, and you literally quoted me saying "No one was in the right."

So yes, absolutely, all they had to do was walk away also, but they weren't the ones instigating, the man who died was. He was being aggressive, he claimed over and over he was going to kill them. They just continued to repeat "back away." He didn't.
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MabusIncarnate
09/23/18 10:41:16 PM
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Forgettable posted...
By the way, here's the police record for the guy that got killed
IoNX6eu

Holy shit..
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EpicKingdom_
09/23/18 10:50:34 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Forgettable posted...
By the way, here's the police record for the guy that got killed
IoNX6eu

Holy shit..


Yeah, it really doesn't look good for that guy.
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Number090684
09/23/18 11:13:42 PM
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^Not to say he deserved to die, but the deceased, given his record, was career criminal and probably didn't respect the law or any kind of higher authority. He most likely didn't take well to be called out on his dumping bullshit by the armed father and son, and likely was the initial instigator of this incident, and possibly ones prior, which is why the father and son felt the need to arm themselves this time.

The only reasons the media is empathizing with the deceased, his wife and their family is because the father and son armed themselves against the deceased outside of his family's home which housed children and because the deceased was killed in front of his instigating, idiot wife. Regardless that it was the deceased's fault for escalating the situation in the first place by trying to intimidate, provoke and even repeatedly threatening to kill the father and son.

The deceased didn't respect them or their word, called their bold warnings a bluff, and was literally dead wrong. Perfect example of "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
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EpicKingdom_
09/23/18 11:45:37 PM
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I'm just wondering if the murder charges will stick.
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SH_expert44
09/24/18 12:27:44 AM
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Here is a message from the guy who got shot further showcasing his utter nuttiness

tdeY1gQ
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Dark_Spiret
09/24/18 12:40:22 AM
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yeah, id be carrying too if i had to confront him.
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Delirious_Beard
09/24/18 12:44:28 AM
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white trash killing one another over actual trash
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DirkDiggles
09/24/18 12:50:01 AM
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dCHeGXT

I always knew that Chumlee was no good.
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Number090684
09/24/18 12:51:54 AM
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SH_expert44 posted...
Here is a message from the guy who got shot further showcasing his utter nuttiness

tdeY1gQ


This is kind of sad, but very telling about who he really was. Obsessing about his children and fearing strangers as deranged pedophiles who are after them, thus he also went on to make violent threats against a fairly harmless delivery man, just going about his job. It is also likely the police didn't respect him or cut him a break because of his criminal past. Also, the way he kept going on about needing his meds, made him seem like he was a bit too addicted to them too? Possibly abusing opiods too?

Anyway, what's done is done, RIP. IMO the father and son should have charges reduced, but the dumb wife should also face minor charges for knowingly letting her mentally ill, violent criminal husband go on a verbal rampage harrassing and threatening the armed father and son instead of not trying to descalate the situation, but also further instigating it with some of her commentary. It's almost like she wanted him to get gunned down.
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EpicKingdom_
09/24/18 1:14:19 AM
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DirkDiggles posted...
dCHeGXT

I always knew that Chumlee was no good.


lol
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