Board 8 > A Dance With Dragons Mafia: Topic 4 - If I Look Back I Am Lost

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

His humble bragging.

You're not worried about dying tonight enough that you think you should make that case more now so it doesn't die with you?
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I haven't had a totally useless day 1 in years
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TotallyNotMI posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

His humble bragging.

You're not worried about dying tonight enough that you think you should make that case more now so it doesn't die with you?

Have you seen today? Scum wont kill me.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

htaeD posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sure you've got me for about 20 minutes before blood work driving whoo.

Anyway DEATH I find it really bad that you think Sbell's point is good because... it's not. You are one of the brighter mafia minds we have around here, Sbell is a good player but he is all 'feels' and such, so I wouldn't expect him to care much about what I was saying but for you to hop on and be like 'oh man good point' was just like "oh, yeah, Death is scum ok" so yeah you're scum you can vote me if you like <_<

somehow missed this post earlier

Chris, it was stuff like

meanwhile he ends the post with but he could be scum that's just not worth lynching? when is there ever scum not worth lynching

That I was agreeing with sbell on. Talk like that made me wanna look back and get a better picture of you.
Plus I couldnt recall moments where you'd willingly let a scum nilla off the hook in the past.

Also quite nice of you to not adress the humble bragging part anymore

That will come up tomorrow.

Also the thing about my last note is ... what is the scum motivation for me saying that?

Well there is always WIFOM. and if God is scum, you would want to divert attention away
Its less that its scumsentence, and more a sentence that just doesnt make sense.

anyway I am gone now, cya in a few hours
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Sheep007 posted...

That's funny, Chris. A lot of the stuff Ben has said tends to strike me as un-genuine. Might just be me, since I was feeling that during the game you just hosted as well.

Can you quote one of my posts for me and explain your thoughts on it?
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Speaking of Sheep
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

I find the claims Im not hyped hilarious to be honest

Ive been more active, have posted more content, and have read more of the game on this day one than I have in about 4 games

MI is tunneling me. A classic scum MI trait when I am town.

Reds reasoning for voting me was terrible and got SUPER defensive when I tried to get him to restate his reasoning for voting me

Ben gave a legitimate reason for why he voted me and for that reason Im ok with him

I still dont think god is scum
I still dont think chris is scum

Got to say I like the takes here!

This is really bad for Chris because, in response to Tange, I was in no way in the slightest defensive. I legitimate think hes never read most of the topic.

Two, chris knows I wasn't defensive. Chris literally just glossed over something involving -me-.

I think Chris is being lazy and trying to butter up people in the topic and nothing more. Chris has learned to do it but he definitely has always had a harder time generating fire as scum than he has as town. His gameplay feels increasingly lackluster.
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Meow1000 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I don't necessarily scumread Chris. I don't feel good about him by any means, but Chris is honestly hard as hell to read. If he was an average player I'd say likely scum, as it is he's closer to neutral.

Remember my Sheep and Chris are scum comedy option

I still really hate Sheep's response here and I really want further comment.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

TotallyNotMI posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

His humble bragging.

You're not worried about dying tonight enough that you think you should make that case more now so it doesn't die with you?

Have you seen today? Scum wont kill me.

Huh. Maybe you're telling the truth. Maybe. ...TOWN HAS TO!

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Yeah there is a difference between hedging and that post, if sheep is scum I think chris has a better chance of being scum in that scenerio (bad associative reads).

It just reads like someone trying to get a little cred without having to commit to an actual read he keeps softing. Its interesting to say the least

From Sheep himself I mean
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10) Meow1000 - Has been active, which is nice to see. Not really sure how much value he has provided, but at least he is discussing things. I actually like the insight that a scum tange rule of 3 more than a town tange because that's not something I would have known! Hard to get an actual read on Blade, but yeah he's poking stuff.
11) MZero11 - Remember when I mocked him because he said I was stifling discussion and I said I was going to ignore him, but that wouldn't be a big deal because he'd make like 5 posts? Called that one. No lean either way really, but hopefully Suprak invokes his 5 post rule on him!
12) Neablis - Very inactive or not impact inducing? I remember a few posts he made earlier today that appeared OK sounding. just don't remember much. This may not be Neablis' fault though. I also glanced and see he made a post now, cool.
13) Obellisk - I am laning town but Sbell is a very capable scum player, I remember this! However I have no problems with his attacks on me they seem to come from a genuine place of wanting me dead for town reasons, and he has been to the point which I am always A-OK with.
14) Pirate_Harris - I find him adorable but I am told his adorableness can be faked. One thing I REALLY like is he got annoyed that I blew him off last night (sorry about that bud) and was insistent that I give him reads, which is what I am doing now. Feels like a newbie town wanting to hold me to account.
15) red13n - You are getting your own post.
16) ScareChan - Scare feels SUPER low energy right now, which would make me think scum but I've been wrong on him before so I will withhold that judgment. Obviously didn't like that vote on me.
17) Shaduln - I liked Shad early, see nothing to move the meter either way.
18) Sheep007 - Feels much different than the force that made an impact in my game, but circumstances were a lot different. Easy to believe he might be scum based on that though.
19) TotallyNotMI - I feel like Mi is either scum or he has become overconfident in his abilities, there is just a certain twang to his posts that make me cluck my tongue.
20) Viserion - Roar.
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Neablis comments are also good
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I told Chris if he's town to keep the hype rolling. I don't like his posts where he says he wouldnt mind being lynched day 1 because he just wants to be out of the game if people are "going to be fools" or whatever. If you want out of the game, and you're town, all you have to do as Chris is play really hard and be confident and you'll be killed night 1. So why be content with getting lynch as opposed to aiming for getting shot night 1. He also is confident though that he won't be lynched. Which he's stated multiple times. Feels like he's trying to intimidate actual town from lynching him though with those words.

And Chris your reason for calling me town sounds like an obligation. Like when Corrik would say "He's town because he's modconfirmed, regrettably".
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

DoubleTangicide posted...

I find the claims Im not hyped hilarious to be honest

Ive been more active, have posted more content, and have read more of the game on this day one than I have in about 4 games

MI is tunneling me. A classic scum MI trait when I am town.

Reds reasoning for voting me was terrible and got SUPER defensive when I tried to get him to restate his reasoning for voting me

Ben gave a legitimate reason for why he voted me and for that reason Im ok with him

I still dont think god is scum
I still dont think chris is scum

Got to say I like the takes here!

This is really bad for Chris because, in response to Tange, I was in no way in the slightest defensive. I legitimate think hes never read most of the topic.

Two, chris knows I wasn't defensive. Chris literally just glossed over something involving -me-.

I think Chris is being lazy and trying to butter up people in the topic and nothing more. Chris has learned to do it but he definitely has always had a harder time generating fire as scum than he has as town. His gameplay feels increasingly lackluster.

Yeah I don't think you were defensive over it, you were just an ass about it and your original vote was bad. The takes I was specifically talking about were: MI looking tunnely, your vote being bad, Ben looking good, and me and tange being town.

Anyway so my problem with red, and by the way pay attention when at some point I am mortally confirmed town and if red is still alive. I am bolding this. It is important. Is that red has been poking me all day, slowly building a negative case against me. Why is this important? Because red is super, super good at reading me. When I was last scum and he was town he was suspicious of me but I got him to waffle off of that point before murdering him. He wasn't able to just go in on me and just build up and up. Scum red trying to murder town Chris has a goal: make Chris look bad. Weaken his voice. At this point in time you may say "Well Chris, you sure look scummy." OK, fine, whatever. But if Red is alive and I have died, and thus flipped town, remember that the guy who is supposed to read me better than anyone has been all negative on me. Remember that and murder him.

Because really Red made a post last night that infuriated me. Where he says scum Chris uses excuses not to post etc. Keep in mind.. I said pre game that I am having issues. PRE GAME. And I am stll, I'd wager, one of the more active players in this game despite being not well, and red knows I haven't been right for weeks. He knows because I have barely been on WoW despite new expansion time. So him trying to make my 'inactivity', which... doesn't exist, into an alignment issue is sick.
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benjamin3740 posted...

I told Chris if he's town to keep the hype rolling. I don't like his posts where he says he wouldnt mind being lynched day 1 because he just wants to be out of the game if people are "going to be fools" or whatever. If you want out of the game, and you're town, all you have to do as Chris is play really hard and be confident and you'll be killed night 1. So why be content with getting lynch as opposed to aiming for getting shot night 1. He also is confident though that he won't be lynched. Which he's stated multiple times. Feels like he's trying to intimidate actual town from lynching him though with those words.

And Chris your reason for calling me town sounds like an obligation. Like when Corrik would say "He's town because he's modconfirmed, regrettably".

Maybe my aborted notes from last night as I fell asleep sound better

So this game so far has been interesting, because I am getting a lot of heat for being about as transparent and genuine with what I see in the game as possible. Now I'd like to think this is a conspiracy by scum but the more people whosign on to this the more it becomes apparent it is simply people aren't seeing through my logical thought processes, as only five or at most six of the players can be opposed to be via alignment.

So time to do my favorite thing and take what I know now and re-read the first half of day one and see if I can find scum or town connections.

So Shad in post # 12 posts 'wait we went up to 20' and I like this as a genuine reaction to the weird pets, and he follows up in # 13 with more of this. I am almost certain that one of these roles is scum aligned and I do not have shaduln as the type of scum player who would think to give this type of hot take. Also people who go on to speculate on this earn some town favor as well because scum doesn't tend to speculate as much about weird stuff on average! Town points.

Ben # 15 questions if Suprak plays in his own games. Good look if I am right about one of these being scum, because it is obviously player controlled with hindsight so Ben seems lost here, and that lack of knowledge is good. Town points.

He made 3 posts with both accounts. The first being 6 days ago, then 5 days ago, then again 3 days ago. On seemingly random boards. Maybe it's a hint that something will happen on those nights. Maybe they exist to troll us. Maybe they're not host controlled at all but two vets he wanted to add but didnt want to affect the meta.

I bet VeryInsane is one

So Ben has made posts recently that made me suspicious of his perspective but something like this screams town to me. It's just such a weird thing for scum to investigate, their lack of curiosity about game systems is usually obvious (and to many town as well, in fairness) but I'd bet most of the time someone digs deep like this looking for weird answers they are town, and it comes off that way too. Town Points.
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Blade suddenly started interacting with people other than Chris after my post suspecting him for it, and the scum vibes have since then turned into town vibes. Maybe he's playing me hard, but its a good sign that he's engaged with the game.

Scare does not seem as engaged as he has been in past town games and it stands out to me
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If you recall Chris, the last time I fan boyed you you led us directly into the ditch.

So Im mixing it up this time!

I do find it interesting that immediately after chris mentioned he suspected me one of the weird npcs voted me.

I dont like the arguments protecting pirate. I asked him how many scum were on the team to see if he would purposefully try to duck around the question instead of answering after he slipped how many scum there were last time

He did just that. Pirate isnt an idiot. He just isnt used to the game. I feel like people are acting like because he says things town says he is completely incapable of being scum
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benjamin3740 posted...

Blade suddenly started interacting with people other than Chris after my post suspecting him for it, and the scum vibes have since then turned into town vibes. Maybe he's playing me hard, but its a good sign that he's engaged with the game.

Scare does not seem as engaged as he has been in past town games and it stands out to me

BTW.

You saying that is a scum point for Blade. It's like when I had Corrik into a corner in Blade's game and suddenly he took back the claim that if he had kept I would have nailed him for.

Be wary of Blade, he is super strong.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

When I was last scum and he was town he was suspicious of me but I got him to waffle off of that point before murdering him.

Uhhh I lived to endgame and we lost last time you were scum(Corrik was scum).

(Blade and Scare can verify this, I honestly dont remember who else was in that game).
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masterplum posted...

If you recall Chris, the last time I fan boyed you you led us directly into the ditch.

So Im mixing it up this time!

I do find it interesting that immediately after chris mentioned he suspected me one of the weird npcs voted me.

I dont like the arguments protecting pirate. I asked him how many scum were on the team to see if he would purposefully try to duck around the question instead of answering after he slipped how many scum there were last time

He did just that. Pirate isnt an idiot. He just isnt used to the game. I feel like people are acting like because he says things town says he is completely incapable of being scum

Actually to be honest I don't remember what happened the last time you fanboyed me.
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But yea, if a chris lynch actually picks up I will shoot that down so fast. Dont do that.
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red13n posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

When I was last scum and he was town he was suspicious of me but I got him to waffle off of that point before murdering him.

Uhhh I lived to endgame and we lost last time you were scum(Corrik was scum).

(Blade and Scare can verify this, I honestly dont remember who else was in that game).

Oh right, Tiny Toons Mafia is the last time of that pairing.

Correction: got you to waffle and you lived to end game.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

masterplum posted...

If you recall Chris, the last time I fan boyed you you led us directly into the ditch.

So Im mixing it up this time!

I do find it interesting that immediately after chris mentioned he suspected me one of the weird npcs voted me.

I dont like the arguments protecting pirate. I asked him how many scum were on the team to see if he would purposefully try to duck around the question instead of answering after he slipped how many scum there were last time

He did just that. Pirate isnt an idiot. He just isnt used to the game. I feel like people are acting like because he says things town says he is completely incapable of being scum

Actually to be honest I don't remember what happened the last time you fanboyed me.

I do because I was super smug that I found the cheat code.

We lynched town day 1, you got shot N1 and then I looked bad because I did nothing all day 1 besides parrot someone else.

It wasnt ideal.
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I will note I think that NPC is scum so <_<
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I will note I think that NPC is scum so <_<

Its been forever. Who is the other NPC and why would they be scum? I am too lazy to google
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Meow1000 posted...

Neablis comments are also good

I like you to ^_-.

htaeD posted...

also I just realized that maybe sheep sounds so samey sometimes, because english is not his first language?

Then again, that hardly hampers me.

It's not not my first language. It's like my first and a half language.

benjamin3740 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

That's funny, Chris. A lot of the stuff Ben has said tends to strike me as un-genuine. Might just be me, since I was feeling that during the game you just hosted as well.

Can you quote one of my posts for me and explain your thoughts on it?

Does this one count as a quote? >_>

I'm currently on mobile so going to find any old posts is a little awkward. But the whole "book of town" thingy was what gave me the un-genuine feel. Also, the enthusiasm. Damn happy people. I've not had any particular reads on you either way yet, nor do I recall anything you said which made me particularly think.

Meow1000 posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

I don't necessarily scumread Chris. I don't feel good about him by any means, but Chris is honestly hard as hell to read. If he was an average player I'd say likely scum, as it is he's closer to neutral.

Remember my Sheep and Chris are scum comedy option

I still really hate Sheep's response here and I really want further comment.

I'm not really sure what you want me to comment on here. I said my thoughts and I don't think there's much more to add.
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Dany's Dragon voted for you and I think that is scum based off of my flavor!
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dany's Dragon voted for you and I think that is scum based off of my flavor!

Somehow getting voted by a dragon is slightly unnerving
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benjamin3740 posted...

Blade suddenly started interacting with people other than Chris after my post suspecting him for it, and the scum vibes have since then turned into town vibes. Maybe he's playing me hard, but its a good sign that he's engaged with the game.

Scare does not seem as engaged as he has been in past town games and it stands out to me

When did you ever suspect me
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Sheep I think it is what I said in one of my last comments.

Your post is super soft and it can go either way, if chris is scum you can get some town points because you can point to your suspicions of him, if he escapes lynch you having suspicions but not acting on them give you an out on a neutral read.

On the same hand if you are scum together if the wagon starts going out of control you can hop on for cred.

Its a common tactic scum uses (in my experience) to keep the options open on a partner for instance. Or in this case even if Chris is town it helps keeps options open for you to hop on a wagon with little blame or not lynch him and buddy somewhat.

masterplum posted...

But yea, if a chris lynch actually picks up I will shoot that down so fast. Dont do that.

plum sucking up pretty hard.
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Plum sucking up hard is the best plum.

Anyway you guys have me for 15 minutes before work. I won't be home for a long time so ask now!
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Meow1000 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Blade suddenly started interacting with people other than Chris after my post suspecting him for it, and the scum vibes have since then turned into town vibes. Maybe he's playing me hard, but its a good sign that he's engaged with the game.

Scare does not seem as engaged as he has been in past town games and it stands out to me

When did you ever suspect me

Post I made in topic 1 where I thought you were ignoring me so I asked you to respond to it
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Dels has graciously accept to post votals near dead line in addition to my co-host. Big thanks to Dels. No one else, especially no one else in game, will need to count them.

Thank you and votals coming soon.
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Woof! Pant pant pant!

##Unvote
##Vote: Scare

Meow1000 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Blade suddenly started interacting with people other than Chris after my post suspecting him for it, and the scum vibes have since then turned into town vibes. Maybe he's playing me hard, but its a good sign that he's engaged with the game.

Scare does not seem as engaged as he has been in past town games and it stands out to me

When did you ever suspect me

Took awhile because my phone is slow, but here

benjamin3740 posted...

Meow1000 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Honestly I take most of what Chris says as null. I just dont say it.

Chris and I are both in that boat!

I do treat you in a similar way, but for the opposite reason. In my first game with you I thought you were surely scum. Then learned that's just how you come off to me. This game I feel like you are totally cruising in the background and not trying to engage anyone. I think all your posts so far, at least a large majority of them, have been directed at Chris alone. Out of all the people who have posted so far you stick out as scum to me. But like with Chris, I like to give it time before even thinking about lynching you! So yeah. Feel free to refute me. o.o

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Neablis posted...

Sheep I think it is what I said in one of my last comments.

Your post is super soft and it can go either way, if chris is scum you can get some town points because you can point to your suspicions of him, if he escapes lynch you having suspicions but not acting on them give you an out on a neutral read.

On the same hand if you are scum together if the wagon starts going out of control you can hop on for cred.

Its a common tactic scum uses (in my experience) to keep the options open on a partner for instance. Or in this case even if Chris is town it helps keeps options open for you to hop on a wagon with little blame or not lynch him and buddy somewhat.

I tend to say I'm unsure on things when I'm actually unsure on things instead of bullshitting thoughts where I have none. It's D1. You either get this, lies, or barely any posts. I haven't really felt like putting arbitrary pressure on since the day started either.

Also is it just me or did Dowolf not have a single post which wasn't trying to convince people to lynch me for at least the first two topics.
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Guess for all the suspicion on me no one had a question right now. Ok! If you guys want to get my attention when I check my phone at work just bold my name.
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Death, do you still think God and Chris are scum together?

I keep asking you the question and you keep ignoring it or not seeing it. But I dont like that you were saying they're both scum, but when I said I didnt think IGCD would pull that modkill gambit on a scummate, you didnt address it.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Guess for all the suspicion on me no one had a question right now. Ok! If you guys want to get my attention when I check my phone at work just bold my name.

Are you scum, Chris?
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Sheep007 posted...

Neablis posted...

Sheep I think it is what I said in one of my last comments.

Your post is super soft and it can go either way, if chris is scum you can get some town points because you can point to your suspicions of him, if he escapes lynch you having suspicions but not acting on them give you an out on a neutral read.

On the same hand if you are scum together if the wagon starts going out of control you can hop on for cred.

Its a common tactic scum uses (in my experience) to keep the options open on a partner for instance. Or in this case even if Chris is town it helps keeps options open for you to hop on a wagon with little blame or not lynch him and buddy somewhat.

I tend to say I'm unsure on things when I'm actually unsure on things instead of bullshitting thoughts where I have none. It's D1. You either get this, lies, or barely any posts. I haven't really felt like putting arbitrary pressure on since the day started either.

Also is it just me or did Dowolf not have a single post which wasn't trying to convince people to lynch me for at least the first two topics.

Yes I do feel like wolf has been pressing to get you lynched hard, do you think this is scum indicative or misguided town?

I am not.
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Neablis posted...

Yes I do feel like wolf has been pressing to get you lynched hard, do you think this is scum indicative or misguided town?

I don't think I've ever been in a game with him so I can't judge on past behaviour. I generally don't like tunneling nor do I like his reasoning for doing so, plus I know I'm town so I'm probably a bit biased against him. But there's nothing I've liked from him so far. I'd lean scum, but not strongly. I don't feel as bad about his vote as some others who've jumped on me recently, as it was before I looked like a viable mislynch and before I started pushing for God.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Plum sucking up hard is the best plum.

Anyway you guys have me for 15 minutes before work. I won't be home for a long time so ask now!

anyway chris, what is wrong with plum, and you know it, is that I know you. You know damn well that when I say to lynch you, you should be lynched. And you know damn well every poke and prod at you is to get more crap out of you to get a better read.

plum is basically saying it doesn't matter, discounting the possibility, and being full sheep. If I thought you were 100% scum(Which, if you are scum, I'll hit at some point in all likelihood, theres no Corrik here to throw me off my game), and saying to lynch you, and he started to try to derail that, I'd be absolutely 100% pissed as fuck.

But the guy is literally pre-emptively doing it.
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Except Plum has said the same thing as town every game he has been with me the past 5 years, red.

Also using Corrik as an excuse? Come on lol.
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What're the votals like? I'm interested in where God's vote is, since I don't recall it being put on me.
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Also if red says to lynch me 100% he is scum, everyone. Super, duper scum.
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Sheep007 posted...

What're the votals like? I'm interested in where God's vote is, since I don't recall it being put on me.

Im pretty sure it's still on Ben.
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