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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:09:31 PM
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Thoughts? Opinions? Comments?
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Duncanwii
10/01/18 2:10:22 PM
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Italian bread isnt white so shes technically correct.
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/01/18 2:10:30 PM
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Ask her what she fills out on a government form.
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Mareen
10/01/18 2:10:51 PM
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Being Italian doesn't mean you're white regardless though.
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:11:01 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Ask her what she fills out on a government form.

Prolly "Other" with no explanation.
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vocedelmorte
10/01/18 2:12:37 PM
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There are different opinions on who to call white. Its better to call it Caucasian
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:13:02 PM
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vocedelmorte posted...
There are different opinions on who to call white. Its better to call it Caucasian

Italian girl: I ain't Caucasian neither.
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Balrog0
10/01/18 2:13:27 PM
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yeah, idk but also idc
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vocedelmorte
10/01/18 2:13:46 PM
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Some people only consider people with English ancestry 'white'
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BJ-blazkowics
10/01/18 2:14:01 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
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This was the case in the early 20th century. Irish went through that experience too.
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vocedelmorte
10/01/18 2:14:01 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
There are different opinions on who to call white. Its better to call it Caucasian

Italian girl: I ain't Caucasian neither.

Then shes wrong lol
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:19:04 PM
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She's insecure about who she is. A lot of people are. Fuck em
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yoshirulezz1
10/01/18 2:19:43 PM
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If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.
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Balrog0
10/01/18 2:20:47 PM
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yoshirulezz1 posted...
If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.


latino refers to peoples from latin america, the term you're looking for is maybe hispanic

although you can be white latino or white hispanic so I guess it doesn't matter
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josifrees
10/01/18 2:21:12 PM
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Even a cursory look into the history of the Italian peninsula shows a lot of migrations from a lot of different places and especially in places like Sicily and the southern area a lot of greeks and Arabs.
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Tyranthraxus
10/01/18 2:21:28 PM
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yoshirulezz1 posted...
If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.

But if you think Italians are not white, then you must also consider French to be not white.

As others have said it's a sticky situation and best just not to engage with people about it if it's part of their identity as it's all a social construct anyway.
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AlisLandale
10/01/18 2:21:35 PM
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yoshirulezz1 posted...
If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.


Pretty sure Latinos are considered white, at least as far as those checkboxes on job applications and US census forms are concerned. >_>
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:22:02 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
yoshirulezz1 posted...
If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.


latino refers to peoples from latin america, the term you're looking for is maybe hispanic

although you can be white latino or white hispanic so I guess it doesn't matter


Yeah. I usually refer to myself as white Hispanic. I don't want people thinking I know anything about spanish/latino culture
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Milkman5
10/01/18 2:23:34 PM
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Argentinians are Italian and people call them "Latino" and "hispanic"

and don't consider them caucasian or white
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:23:36 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Yeah. I usually refer to myself as white Hispanic. I don't want people thinking I know anything about spanish/latino culture

This is silly.
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Flockaveli
10/01/18 2:24:15 PM
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Yeah that sounds like something a White Girl would say.
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Kombucha
10/01/18 2:24:43 PM
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i can understand her saying that. there are racist people out there that would say she isn't pure/white enough.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:25:00 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Yeah. I usually refer to myself as white Hispanic. I don't want people thinking I know anything about spanish/latino culture

This is silly.


Why?

Oh, maybe I should mention Im half and half.
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Balrog0
10/01/18 2:25:21 PM
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I've been having this discussion for a while now because we do 'race equity' work and some of our committee members think we shouldn't work on latinx issues because latinx is not a race

its not that clear cut though in reality

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/15/is-being-hispanic-a-matter-of-race-ethnicity-or-both/

When it comes to reporting their racial identity, Latinos stand out from other Americans. In the 2010 census, for example, 94% of the U.S. population selected at least one of the five standard, government-defined racial categories white, black, Asian, American Indian or Pacific Islander. But among Latinos, just 63% selected at least one of these categories; 37% of Latinos, or 19 million, instead selected only some other race, with many offering write-in responses such as Mexican, Hispanic or Latin American.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/01/18 2:25:27 PM
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this is why stripping people of their culture in favor of assigning colors to people was such a stupid idea in the first place. short sighted and devoid of intelligence.

it's completely arbitrary in the first place and can change at any time depending on how bad numbers are needed.
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:25:37 PM
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Kombucha posted...
i can understand her saying that. there are racist people out there that would say she isn't PURE/WHITE enough.

Every White person I know always says they have some Native American in them LMAO!!! Including myself I think I have some Blackfoot in me.
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:26:18 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Why?

I dunno. Should an Asian American who knows shit about his background say he is White Asian?
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:26:54 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
When it comes to reporting their racial identity, Latinos stand out from other Americans. In the 2010 census, for example, 94% of the U.S. population selected at least one of the five standard, government-defined racial categories white, black, Asian, American Indian or Pacific Islander. But among Latinos, just 63% selected at least one of these categories; 37% of Latinos, or 19 million, instead selected only some other race, with many offering write-in responses such as Mexican, Hispanic or Latin American.


Being half white and half mexican makes them shits confusing to me
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Balrog0
10/01/18 2:26:59 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Why?

I dunno. Should an Asian American who knows shit about his background say he is White Asian?


asian and hispanic aren't analogous
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:27:29 PM
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Oh okay
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:27:36 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Why?

I dunno. Should an Asian American who knows shit about his background say he is White Asian?


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gamestunner
10/01/18 2:33:04 PM
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So, I'm not white? My whole life has been a lie...
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:34:22 PM
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gamestunner posted...
So, I'm not white? My whole life has been a lie...


You should change everything about your life since race should be what you base every decision on.
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gamestunner
10/01/18 2:35:45 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
gamestunner posted...
So, I'm not white? My whole life has been a lie...


You should change everything about your life since race should be what you base every decision on.


I just went from non minority to a minority, wheres my free shit!?!?!?
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Veggeta X
10/01/18 2:37:01 PM
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gamestunner posted...
I just went from non minority to a minority, wheres my free shit!?!?!?

If you are a fully capable working person who is single then even if you are a minority you ain't getting shit.
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Lost_All_Senses
10/01/18 2:37:46 PM
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gamestunner posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
gamestunner posted...
So, I'm not white? My whole life has been a lie...


You should change everything about your life since race should be what you base every decision on.


I just went from non minority to a minority, wheres my free shit!?!?!?


...I got some bad news for you
Turns out that's not how it works
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KStateKing17
10/01/18 2:38:30 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
yoshirulezz1 posted...
If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.

But if you think Italians are not white, then you must also consider French to be not white.

As others have said it's a sticky situation and best just not to engage with people about it if it's part of their identity as it's all a social construct anyway.

You don't have to be white to be French or Italian.
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gamestunner
10/01/18 2:39:23 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
gamestunner posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
gamestunner posted...
So, I'm not white? My whole life has been a lie...


You should change everything about your life since race should be what you base every decision on.


I just went from non minority to a minority, wheres my free shit!?!?!?


...I got some bad news for you
Turns out that's not how it works


Lieutenant dang it!
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Tyranthraxus
10/01/18 2:40:35 PM
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KStateKing17 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
yoshirulezz1 posted...
If you disagree you may as well call Latinos white.

But if you think Italians are not white, then you must also consider French to be not white.

As others have said it's a sticky situation and best just not to engage with people about it if it's part of their identity as it's all a social construct anyway.

You don't have to be white to be French or Italian.


uhh, sure, and you don't have to be white to be an English dude either. You know what we're talking about here man, come on. No need to nit pick on technicalities.
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ThyCorndog
10/01/18 2:43:22 PM
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italians are as white as any other european group. They're either all white or white is a made up concept. There's nothing special about italians that separate them from other european ethnic groups
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Balrog0
10/01/18 2:44:22 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
italians are as white as any other european group. They're either all white or white is a made up concept. There's nothing special about italians that separate them from other european ethnic groups


white IS a made up concept
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SwordMaster13X
10/01/18 2:45:13 PM
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Is this Italian girl mixed?
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Kineth
10/01/18 2:46:43 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
italians are as white as any other european group. They're either all white or white is a made up concept. There's nothing special about italians that separate them from other european ethnic groups


white IS a made up concept


You're gonna make their heads explode at this rate.
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teepan95
10/01/18 2:46:47 PM
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Italians can be Mediterranean

I always saw white as "of Germanic/Nordic/Anglo-Saxon descent" personally
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ThyCorndog
10/01/18 2:46:56 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
italians are as white as any other european group. They're either all white or white is a made up concept. There's nothing special about italians that separate them from other european ethnic groups


white IS a made up concept

yeah
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Tyranthraxus
10/01/18 2:48:10 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
italians are as white as any other european group. They're either all white or white is a made up concept. There's nothing special about italians that separate them from other european ethnic groups


Yes there is. Arguably more so in the case for italians which have more homogenous DNA among the descendents of the original Romans than any other country in Europe.

But ultimately that's the Ethnic divider for those--Roman ancestry which includes passing down the language, aka Latin.

That means Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, and Romania are all the same ethnic cluster.
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ThyCorndog
10/01/18 2:51:06 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
italians are as white as any other european group. They're either all white or white is a made up concept. There's nothing special about italians that separate them from other european ethnic groups


Yes there is. Arguably more so in the case for italians which have more homogenous DNA among the descendents of the original Romans than any other country in Europe.

But ultimately that's the Ethnic divider for those--Roman ancestry which includes passing down the language, aka Latin.

That means Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, and Romania are all the same ethnic cluster.

no they aren't. yes to the roman thing (southern italians specifically, and southern italians are most closely related to greeks and other italians). romanians cluster between the balkans and east slavs. language is not a predictor of genetics or ethnic descent

in europe and also most of the world, every native ethnic group is most closely related to the ethnic groups around them
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MuayThai85
10/01/18 2:52:29 PM
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I worked with an Italian girl who would claim this. She was slightly more tanned than me (I'm pretty pale) and she had blue eyes. I'd just laugh at her and tell her she was stupid.
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Tyranthraxus
10/01/18 2:53:58 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
no they aren't. yes to the roman thing (southern italians specifically, and southern italians are most closely related to greeks and other italians). romanians cluster between the balkans and east slavs. language is not a predictor of genetics or ethnic descent

in europe and also most of the world, every native ethnic group is most closely related to the ethnic groups around them


At one point the Romans basically owned that whole area as well as farther east.

And just for frame of reference, Italy is closer to Romania than it is to Spain.
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