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_Rinku_ posted...

Joke poster confirmed.

I know you're very protective of your idea, but it's bad. Stop raging against a proven system. Stop being selfish. You'll be happier and healthier for it.

Leftist Authoriarian confirmed.

You're selfish UHC will never fly in the US.

Stop trying to push it.

We'll find every way to kill it if you don't come up with a different method of doing it.

You'll actually get a better Single Payer once you learn to work with us instead of trying to force the "My way, or the highway" mentality that you so love.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

We'll find every way to kill it if you don't come up with a different method of doing it.

yeah that's what we mean when we talk about stupid people voting against their interest

Dude your 'solution' doesn't make sense and isn't sustainable.

There's a reason there's no public service in the planet that is funded like that. Never mind something as complicated as health care.

Why would rich people pay the highest premiums when it sounds like they would be the safest not paying for insurance at all and just pay for their treatments if they need them.

Your solution for people who can't afford it is even more hilarious. Just throw them under piles of debt. What could possibly go wrong?

It's seriously bonkers to me that you think you've got all of this figured out. Like the answer everyone is looking for is hidden away in some video game message board and not people who dedicate their lives to it or people who already implement successful programs in other countries.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

yeah that's what we mean when we talk about stupid people voting against their interest

That's what I mean when I call you a communist for only offering your solution.
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Darmik posted...

Dude your 'solution' doesn't make sense and isn't sustainable.

There's a reason there's no public service in the planet that is funded like that. Never mind something as complicated as health care.

Why would rich people pay the highest premiums when it sounds like they would be the safest not paying for insurance at all and just pay for their treatments if they need them.

Your solution for people who can't afford it is even more hilarious. Just throw them under piles of debt. What could possibly go wrong?

It's seriously bonkers to me that you think you've got all of this figured out. Like the answer everyone is looking for is hidden away in some video game message board and not people who dedicate their lives to it or people who already implement successful programs in other countries.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/ trumps-right-the-uks-health-system-is-broke-and-failing/

You call this "Right?"
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yeah we realize you don't know what communist means either you really can stop posting at any time

Broseph_Stalin posted...

yeah we realize you don't know what communist means either you really can stop posting at any time

Yeah, you can go away now. We know you're a Communist, you have nothing of value to contribute.
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if im losing an argument i can just call the other person a communist right? like that should work? i don't want to look stupid

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Darmik posted...

Dude your 'solution' doesn't make sense and isn't sustainable.

There's a reason there's no public service in the planet that is funded like that. Never mind something as complicated as health care.

Why would rich people pay the highest premiums when it sounds like they would be the safest not paying for insurance at all and just pay for their treatments if they need them.

Your solution for people who can't afford it is even more hilarious. Just throw them under piles of debt. What could possibly go wrong?

It's seriously bonkers to me that you think you've got all of this figured out. Like the answer everyone is looking for is hidden away in some video game message board and not people who dedicate their lives to it or people who already implement successful programs in other countries.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/ trumps-right-the-uks-health-system-is-broke-and-failing/

You call this "Right?"

I call it better then America's yeah. Better than your idea too.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

if im losing an argument i can just call the other person a communist right? like that should work? i don't want to look stupid

This coming from a guy named "Broseph_Stalin", really who are you fooling here?

And yes, you've more than showed your Communist leanings over many posts.

That's why I don't take you seriously.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

And yes, you've more than showed your Communist leanings over many posts.

where are these post exactly

Darmik posted...

I call it better then America's yeah. Better than your idea too.

Sorry, I don't want to have to wait endless weeks on end and have a rationed health system.

I also don't want to pay a % tax just so Congress / or some other politician can choose to raise it as they want.

I want a flexible Health Insurance package that can go with what I choose for myself based on how much I'm willing to spend.

Sorry, what you offer doesn't work for me and many others.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

And yes, you've more than showed your Communist leanings over many posts.

where are these post exactly

I've read through many of your posts over time.

And you support Communist/Socialist ways of doing things.

Sorry, I don't fly that way.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

I've read through many of your posts over time.

And you support Communist/Socialist ways of doing things.

where are these post exactly

Broseph_Stalin posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

I've read through many of your posts over time.

And you support Communist/Socialist ways of doing things.

where are these post exactly

Usually on CE, which conveniently doesn't keep a permanent log of all old posts and deletes them pretty quickly.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Usually on CE, which conveniently doesn't keep a permanent log of all old posts and deletes them pretty quickly.

Surely you can provide an example since your memory is so great

You couldn't possibly be lying because you're losing an argument so badly

https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/offer-americans-alternative-single-payer-health-care-republicans-must

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publication-pdfs/2000785-The-Sanders-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Plan.pdf

We already have funding issues, along with long term National Debt issues.

A Bernie Sanders style of UHC would only exarcerbate that issue.

Please, how will you reduce actual costs instead of just Spend & Tax?

What will you do to offer real choice for the end citizen?

What will you do to prevent rationing of medical care that has happened already in UK / Canada?

I don't think you've thought it through with your system.

Not everybody in the US wants that problem.

We sure as hell don't need even more debt.
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wait, his car insurance wouldn't have his back?
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Rexdragon125 posted...

This is what happens when capitalists get a hold of health care

Is that really the case here, though? The government is involved in and affects the healthcare industry. I believe medical expenses for individuals would be very different if there was a real free market working here, maybe with the exception of a monopoly forming.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Is that really the case here, though? The government is involved in and affects the healthcare industry. I believe medical expenses for individuals would be very different if there was a real free market working here, maybe with the exception of a monopoly forming.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/health/drug-price-hike-moral-requirement-bn/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/health/drugmakers-lawsuit-insulin-drugs.html
The goal of a capitalist entity is to establish a monopoly and maximize profit. It's been happening in many industries, not just health care. If your choice was buying their product or dying why wouldn't a capitalist gouge you for everything?

_Rinku_ posted...

UHC is what is best for society as a whole.

Nah.
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Americas healthcare problems are not the fault of a free market capatilist system but rather the fault of incompetent governemnt action and regulation. The legislatures have a fundamental misunderstanding of insurance. It is meant to cover catastrophic damages (car accident, cancer, etc.) not regular small/medium expenses (flu shot, physicals, routine broken bones, etc.). Yet they legally require insurance plans to cover these small expenses. And through this they have also eliminated any semblance of consumer choice. Go to the receptionist at a hospital amd ask them how much treatment XYZ will cost. She will say just take the treatment and we will send you a bill in the mail. The fact that almost all healthcare expenses large and small have to be brokered through an insurance agency has eliminated the freedom of individuals to make informed economical choices as to where and by whom they should be treated. This eliminates pressure on hospitals to give competetive prices, hence why even simple treatments are exorbitantly priced. Federal law even prohibits insurance companies from operating across state lines, which reduces competition and raises insurance prices. The majority of healthcare spending in the USA is government spending. It is not a free market capitalist system by an means. Not to say that a free market system would be without flaws. You would still need regulations.
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