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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:10:03 PM
#301:


The problem is, aside from you, I don't feel like anyone has actually made a genuine effort regarding me. Every interaction has just felt like an excuse for people to call me scum.

(I am only including living players in that statement.)
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:11:42 PM
#302:


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I scan innocent.


Not "I'm Town" but "I scan innocent"

You can keeping digging yourself into a bigger hole or you can claim

I say claim tbh

Selective quoting at its finest.

My full line, as I'm sure you all remember, was saying "I scan innocent and I didn't visit Han." In other words, I named out the ways he could potentially think he has evidence against me. But take half my sentence out of context, and lo! it looks mildly suspicious.

MZero11 posted...
I didn't say I was open to lynching death. What I said was a polite way of trying to get focus on you


Let's see...

MZero11 posted...
Death is a fine route today

I would really like to force a dowolf claim though


Nope, my original paraphrase of your statement is fair. Perhaps if you had said "Death is mildly suspicious, but dowolf is my number 1 focus right now" you'd have an argument, but that's not what you said.

Blade posted...
Who's been shading me for being alive? Scare's doing it and Dowolf was practically setting up to do it yesterday, but are those the only two?

...No I didn't?

SBell posted...
We started the day with clear direction. The game as a whole is essentially prepared to lynch Scare / IGCD / MZero (am i getting that right?)

Man why am I not on this list?

Blade posted...
The real problem is nothing is happening because MZero and Dowolf have the game hostage.


he started it.

anyways I think I owe y'all a god and scare ISO. will start with god, especially given the surprise random claim (i'm kinda with SBell on penny being a ninja being... unexpected), will see how late that takes me.

And hey, maybe this'll be the genuine effort God's looking for :)
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:11:57 PM
#303:


Yeah I am sorry IGCD, I know I was sort of soft pushing because of a lack of direction and i know how shitty it is when that happens to me.

So I do think you and scare are town btw.

I am super interested in what you both think of tange atm though
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:14:23 PM
#304:


Neablis posted...
Yeah I am sorry IGCD, I know I was sort of soft pushing because of a lack of direction and i know how shitty it is when that happens to me.

So I do think you and scare are town btw.

I am super interested in what you both think of tange atm though

I haven't really gotten much of a read from him. He always flies under the radar because of his activity. He is usually town though. I don't honestly remember the last time he was scum, but I can assure you his play was more than likely similar.
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:17:26 PM
#305:


Neablis posted...
Yeah I am sorry IGCD, I know I was sort of soft pushing because of a lack of direction and i know how shitty it is when that happens to me.

So I do think you and scare are town btw.

I am super interested in what you both think of tange atm though


Tange I know very well, scum and town. I have gotten him out of more scum issues than I can count. The way that he edited an MI post day 1, coupled with the way Red wanted him dead with seething rage, I find incredibly unlikely for him to be scum.

Ask Tange to explain how he got his name and that should give you an idea about him overall.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:18:20 PM
#306:


My biggest scum reads are Blade and Sbell. Not just because they have been antagoinsitc towards me all game, but because it feels also very opportunistic. Blade had even mentioned that he was willing to lynch me just to get me out of the game, how is that playing to win in towns favour? It wouldn't be I sincerely feel like that was his slip of sorts. I also don't feel like he has really actually done much of anything in terms of helping town find scum. He is player town should be able to rely on and he is not helping.
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:23:48 PM
#307:


Lets hear your case on Sbell specifically
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MZero11
10/04/18 9:27:49 PM
#308:


dowolf posted...
Selective quoting at its finest.

My full line, as I'm sure you all remember, was saying "I scan innocent and I didn't visit Han." In other words, I named out the ways he could potentially think he has evidence against me. But take half my sentence out of context, and lo! it looks mildly suspicious.

MZero11 posted...
I didn't say I was open to lynching death. What I said was a polite way of trying to get focus on you

Let's see...

MZero11 posted...
Death is a fine route today

I would really like to force a dowolf claim though

Nope, my original paraphrase of your statement is fair. Perhaps if you had said "Death is mildly suspicious, but dowolf is my number 1 focus right now" you'd have an argument, but that's not what you said.


It doesn't really matter what the rest of the sentence was. You still said "I scan innocent", which some scum roles do too

And are you seriously saying you don't know a basical conventional custom? "A would be fine, but B..." doesn't actually mean you like A it's just a polite way to disagree. Sheesh
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MZero11
10/04/18 9:28:19 PM
#309:


What is basical lmao
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:29:37 PM
#310:


just fucking get this over with miz

you shit all over the day
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:29:51 PM
#311:


MZero11 posted...
"A would be fine, but B..." doesn't actually mean you like A it's just a polite way to disagree. Sheesh

that's not what you said though.
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Shaduln
10/04/18 9:30:05 PM
#312:


If your whole argument is that dowolf says he scans innocent...
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:31:36 PM
#313:


Again, it centers around his antagonistic and opportunistic nature surrounding me. He jumps in saying that he believes I am scum based on my first post. A post I came in saying that I just wanted to jump straight in to the game, I picked posts that I felt were the most game related and made statements on them based on what I know about the players that made them. He constantly egged sheep on to continue attacking me and just kept trying to fuel the fire. It really does not come across as town behaviour to me. He may not be willing to take a stand and comment on how one game with me is not enough to compare but I am. We got in to it during the last game too, but his play was much less about being antagonizing and it felt like he was generally trying to figure out the game. Here he feels like he is just trying to bully me because he claims to think I was very new to the B8 player base. This is something that doesn't jive with me because he also claims to think that being weary of Blade should be enough to be considered a reasonable mafia player. He just comes across as very fake to me.
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:33:11 PM
#314:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Again, it centers around his antagonistic and opportunistic nature surrounding me. He jumps in saying that he believes I am scum based on my first post. A post I came in saying that I just wanted to jump straight in to the game, I picked posts that I felt were the most game related and made statements on them based on what I know about the players that made them. He constantly egged sheep on to continue attacking me and just kept trying to fuel the fire. It really does not come across as town behaviour to me. He may not be willing to take a stand and comment on how one game with me is not enough to compare but I am. We got in to it during the last game too, but his play was much less about being antagonizing and it felt like he was generally trying to figure out the game. Here he feels like he is just trying to bully me because he claims to think I was very new to the B8 player base. This is something that doesn't jive with me because he also claims to think that being weary of Blade should be enough to be considered a reasonable mafia player. He just comes across as very fake to me.

Hmm. I've been (very slowly) going about the ISO, and SBell definitely is antagonistic. But so is Shaduln. Why single out SBell, here?
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:34:03 PM
#315:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Again, it centers around his antagonistic and opportunistic nature surrounding me. He jumps in saying that he believes I am scum based on my first post. A post I came in saying that I just wanted to jump straight in to the game, I picked posts that I felt were the most game related and made statements on them based on what I know about the players that made them. He constantly egged sheep on to continue attacking me and just kept trying to fuel the fire. It really does not come across as town behaviour to me. He may not be willing to take a stand and comment on how one game with me is not enough to compare but I am. We got in to it during the last game too, but his play was much less about being antagonizing and it felt like he was generally trying to figure out the game. Here he feels like he is just trying to bully me because he claims to think I was very new to the B8 player base. This is something that doesn't jive with me because he also claims to think that being weary of Blade should be enough to be considered a reasonable mafia player. He just comes across as very fake to me.


I see why people expect you to do good things as town. This is a good post.

I could see this, what do you think of him around the d1 and d2 lynches specifically?
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Obellisk
10/04/18 9:34:26 PM
#316:


Antagonistic with good reason. I didnt do it with nothing behind it.

dont misconstrue this game to turn yourself into a victim.
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:35:04 PM
#317:


say it with YOUR CHEST

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Neablis
10/04/18 9:36:28 PM
#318:


dowolf posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Again, it centers around his antagonistic and opportunistic nature surrounding me. He jumps in saying that he believes I am scum based on my first post. A post I came in saying that I just wanted to jump straight in to the game, I picked posts that I felt were the most game related and made statements on them based on what I know about the players that made them. He constantly egged sheep on to continue attacking me and just kept trying to fuel the fire. It really does not come across as town behaviour to me. He may not be willing to take a stand and comment on how one game with me is not enough to compare but I am. We got in to it during the last game too, but his play was much less about being antagonizing and it felt like he was generally trying to figure out the game. Here he feels like he is just trying to bully me because he claims to think I was very new to the B8 player base. This is something that doesn't jive with me because he also claims to think that being weary of Blade should be enough to be considered a reasonable mafia player. He just comes across as very fake to me.

Hmm. I've been (very slowly) going about the ISO, and SBell definitely is antagonistic. But so is Shaduln. Why single out SBell, here?


Thats interesting of you wolf...do you have a specific reason for trying to turn the conversation towards shad or do you have a read that diaagrees on sbell?

Honestly I do not like this post for the slight shade sent towards shad here.
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Obellisk
10/04/18 9:37:18 PM
#319:


I am not claiming for scum. And I will not be lynched today.
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:37:21 PM
#320:


I have liked Sbell this game for being more aggressive, but it is a different look for him. He usually seems more reserved to me. I am okay seeing where this goes
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:37:43 PM
#321:


dowolf posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Again, it centers around his antagonistic and opportunistic nature surrounding me. He jumps in saying that he believes I am scum based on my first post. A post I came in saying that I just wanted to jump straight in to the game, I picked posts that I felt were the most game related and made statements on them based on what I know about the players that made them. He constantly egged sheep on to continue attacking me and just kept trying to fuel the fire. It really does not come across as town behaviour to me. He may not be willing to take a stand and comment on how one game with me is not enough to compare but I am. We got in to it during the last game too, but his play was much less about being antagonizing and it felt like he was generally trying to figure out the game. Here he feels like he is just trying to bully me because he claims to think I was very new to the B8 player base. This is something that doesn't jive with me because he also claims to think that being weary of Blade should be enough to be considered a reasonable mafia player. He just comes across as very fake to me.

Hmm. I've been (very slowly) going about the ISO, and SBell definitely is antagonistic. But so is Shaduln. Why single out SBell, here?

It's because, while Shad started out with also calling me scum over it Shad has been around as much, Shad has jumped in to make pot shots but Sbell has been much more active and really faning the flames.
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Shaduln
10/04/18 9:38:08 PM
#322:


What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:38:15 PM
#323:


Neablis posted...

Thats interesting of you wolf...do you have a specific reason for trying to turn the conversation towards shad or do you have a read that diaagrees on sbell?

Honestly I do not like this post for the slight shade sent towards shad here.

No ulterior motive, believe it or not. I'm just trying to sound out God, here.
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:38:20 PM
#324:


Honestly it bothers me your question wolf as he specifically states in that post why he is gravitating towards sbell and in fact he was asked apecifically about sbell so why is it inportant about shad?
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:38:50 PM
#325:


dowolf posted...
Neablis posted...

Thats interesting of you wolf...do you have a specific reason for trying to turn the conversation towards shad or do you have a read that diaagrees on sbell?

Honestly I do not like this post for the slight shade sent towards shad here.

No ulterior motive, believe it or not. I'm just trying to sound out God, here.


Ok i suppose...

Will let this play out
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Obellisk
10/04/18 9:39:00 PM
#326:


Shaduln posted...
What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?


no I'd say calling out his bullshit and pressing him on clear contradictions is being antagonistic. attempting to get him to trip up more.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:39:09 PM
#327:


Obellisk posted...
Antagonistic with good reason. I didnt do it with nothing behind it.

dont misconstrue this game to turn yourself into a victim.

What good reason? You have refused to even give me a chance all game. No matter what I have done you have sat there with your fingers in your ears going "lalalalala I can't hear you....you are scum lalalalala"
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:39:14 PM
#328:


Shaduln posted...
What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?

...Yes?

Are other people using it differently?
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MZero11
10/04/18 9:39:46 PM
#329:


I was never going to let this take over half the day anyway

I targetted dowolf last night. What I did doesn't matter cause I was roleblocked. With Jailkeeper and Roleblocker already flipped I think dowolf is some kind of untargetable. Scare claimed earlier that his role also gives the roleblocked message so I think dowolf has the same thing

He was really cocky that I didn't have info, which means he's either unscannable or town. Since I think he's scum anyway from tunneling Sheep for two days, I'm going with unscannable

I definitely botched this but I wasn't actually planning to claim until plum called it out, at which point I assumed everyone else had the same idea... which turned out to be false >_> I was just going to pressure him for the Sheep thing. Not that it's plum's fault but yeah my bad!
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:39:47 PM
#330:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Obellisk posted...
Antagonistic with good reason. I didnt do it with nothing behind it.

dont misconstrue this game to turn yourself into a victim.

What good reason? You have refused to even give me a chance all game. No matter what I have done you have sat there with your fingers in your ears going "lalalalala I can't hear you....you are scum lalalalala"


You think hes scum right?
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:39:52 PM
#331:


Shaduln posted...
What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?

Why are you so concerned with what might make Sbell look bad?
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:41:14 PM
#332:


Dowolf/shad/sbell scum team intensifies....conspiracy start
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:41:18 PM
#333:


MZero11 posted...
I was never going to let this take over half the day anyway

I targetted dowolf last night. What I did doesn't matter cause I was roleblocked. With Jailkeeper and Roleblocker already flipped I think dowolf is some kind of untargetable. Scare claimed earlier that his role also gives the roleblocked message so I think dowolf has the same thing

He was really cocky that I didn't have info, which means he's either unscannable or town. Since I think he's scum anyway from tunneling Sheep for two days, I'm going with unscannable

I definitely botched this but I wasn't actually planning to claim until plum called it out, at which point I assumed everyone else had the same idea... which turned out to be false >_> I was just going to pressure him for the Sheep thing. Not that it's plum's fault but yeah my bad!


did you really fuck up the whole day because you were roleblocked
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:41:37 PM
#334:


Neablis posted...
Honestly it bothers me your question wolf as he specifically states in that post why he is gravitating towards sbell and in fact he was asked apecifically about sbell so why is it inportant about shad?

Well, like I said in my first post, I am actively reading that part of the game. A lot of people jumped on God for his early activities; Chris was also in that mix. Then I flip back to here, and God specifically singles out SBell for early aggression. Seemed a bit odd to me, so I probed God on it.

And now you know the rest of the story.
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:41:52 PM
#335:


Dowolf please claim and clear this up are you untargetable?
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:41:52 PM
#336:


Neablis posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Obellisk posted...
Antagonistic with good reason. I didnt do it with nothing behind it.

dont misconstrue this game to turn yourself into a victim.

What good reason? You have refused to even give me a chance all game. No matter what I have done you have sat there with your fingers in your ears going "lalalalala I can't hear you....you are scum lalalalala"


You think hes scum right?

I do. My play tends to make me a pretty easy mislynch and he has over played his hand. He has been working too hard to make that happen.
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:42:35 PM
#337:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Neablis posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Obellisk posted...
Antagonistic with good reason. I didnt do it with nothing behind it.

dont misconstrue this game to turn yourself into a victim.

What good reason? You have refused to even give me a chance all game. No matter what I have done you have sat there with your fingers in your ears going "lalalalala I can't hear you....you are scum lalalalala"


You think hes scum right?

I do. My play tends to make me a pretty easy mislynch and he has over played his hand. He has been working too hard to make that happen.


I know it will be tough you are actually fun to read when you arent being pounded on and i ask sbell the same just ignore his posts for now and work withbus obviously.
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Shaduln
10/04/18 9:43:37 PM
#338:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Shaduln posted...
What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?

Why are you so concerned with what might make Sbell look bad?

I don't care what is said about sbell, dowolf called me antagonistic too. I see antagonistic as a more intense thing than what I've been doing.
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:44:18 PM
#339:


...

You did all of this because you were roleblocked.

And you still haven't claimed your actual role, despite outing yourself as power.

This does not pass the smell test.

Neablis posted...
Dowolf please claim and clear this up are you untargetable?

I am not untargetable.
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MZero11
10/04/18 9:44:59 PM
#340:


ScareChan posted...

did you really fuck up the whole day because you were roleblocked


With two roleblocking roles already dead. I don't think there's another roleblocker

And I wasn't going to claim it eother but plum got me carried away

Finally it's not like the day was ruined, plenty of other stuff happened and we still have over half the day. No need to be so dramatic
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dowolf
10/04/18 9:45:23 PM
#341:


...What word would you like me to use, then?

I'm not trying to use "antagonistic" in a negative sense, just to say that you're in opposition to God there.
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Obellisk
10/04/18 9:47:32 PM
#342:


I need to see a mzero claim in full. 2 dead blockers...
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MZero11
10/04/18 9:49:17 PM
#343:


dowolf posted...

And you still haven't claimed your actual role, despite outing yourself as power.


Why would I claim my role

There's no reason to expose that at the moment
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Obellisk
10/04/18 9:51:08 PM
#344:


Shaduln posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Shaduln posted...
What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?

Why are you so concerned with what might make Sbell look bad?

I don't care what is said about sbell, dowolf called me antagonistic too. I see antagonistic as a more intense thing than what I've been doing.


I agree with shad here.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:52:35 PM
#345:


Shaduln posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Shaduln posted...
What's your definition of antagonistic? Just calling igcd scum?

Why are you so concerned with what might make Sbell look bad?

I don't care what is said about sbell, dowolf called me antagonistic too. I see antagonistic as a more intense thing than what I've been doing.

I agree with that, as I don't feel you were being anatagonistic. You had a read and you weren't not flexible on it, that I remember. I feel like there may have been a post or two where you weren't 100% sure I was scum.
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Neablis
10/04/18 9:53:04 PM
#346:


MZero11 posted...
dowolf posted...

And you still haven't claimed your actual role, despite outing yourself as power.


Why would I claim my role

There's no reason to expose that at the moment


You have already outed yourself though so idk what the harm would be in that
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:55:10 PM
#347:


ScareChan posted...
say it with YOUR CHEST

##Vote: Sbell


see when I say say it with your chest thats your oppertunity to vote sbell, igcd

im trying to help you dude because you seem town to me so make use of it
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Obellisk
10/04/18 9:56:32 PM
#348:


Scare when did you start thinking I was scum exactly?
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ScareChan
10/04/18 9:59:13 PM
#349:


probably when you started pushing me

I toyed with it yesterday. Your attitude I thought was a good thing but it is a shift in character and you have mostly been town recently. So I am open to supporting Igcd here.
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IfGodCouldDie
10/04/18 9:59:43 PM
#350:


ScareChan posted...
ScareChan posted...
say it with YOUR CHEST

##Vote: Sbell


see when I say say it with your chest thats your oppertunity to vote sbell, igcd

im trying to help you dude because you seem town to me so make use of it

Ok, ##Unvote
##Vote:Sbell

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