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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 1:57:14 AM
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https://earther.gizmodo.com/anti-wind-farm-activism-is-sweeping-europe-and-the-us-c-1829627812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbIe0iUtelQ" data-time="
Would this Industrial Wind Turbine Shadow Flicker bother you if it affected your home?

I didn't know people were opposed to Wind Turbines, or is it because it's in their neighborhoods?
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glitteringfairy
10/10/18 2:00:52 AM
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Hail coal!
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Frostshock
10/10/18 2:01:18 AM
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Wind turbines should not be built so close to property that they're casting fucking shadows for God's sake. I would sue the government for the diminished value of my home.
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Tyranthraxus
10/10/18 2:01:34 AM
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Wind is stupidly dangerous and one of the least cost efficient means of generating clean energy.

You would almost certainly get more energy for less money by building a solar farm in the same spot you were going to build a wind farm.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 2:11:56 AM
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I still want a large array of these types of wind turbines:

https://share-ng.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/big_blades/

The ones who's blade can fold and sway when a Hurricane hits

https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/february/hurricane-winds-turbine-022614.html

Then combine them with large & small turbines & dot the entire US coast line

To help reduce the effects of Hurricane as it approaches US Coastlines.
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LiqiudusSnake
10/10/18 2:13:43 AM
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Fucking snowflakes

"Oh no the mean shadow is on my house for a small portion of time each day during certain parts of the year! Whatever will I do! My Sunlight! the mean shadows! My home value!"

Fuck off and go breath some coal fuckers
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 2:16:30 AM
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LiqiudusSnake posted...
Fucking snowflakes

"Oh no the mean shadow is on my house for a small portion of time each day during certain parts of the year! Whatever will I do! My Sunlight! the mean shadows! My home value!"

Fuck off and go breath some coal fuckers
NIMBYISM affects many places.

Why else does SF have one of the largest Housing crisis.

It's because literally every neighbor nearby has a say in what houses can & can't go up.

So everybody is a NIMBY biyatch and tries to prevent new housing from going up and blocking their view.
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geno_16
10/10/18 2:28:32 AM
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People have been opposed to wind turbines here in southern Ontario for years. Even now after the government ignored them and the countryside was flooded with the bloody things you still see anti-wind signs and billboards all over rural areas.
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Milkman5
10/10/18 2:33:38 AM
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I thought Wind Energy sucked. Why are they building them instead of solar panels?
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LiqiudusSnake
10/10/18 2:34:21 AM
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How about this, if your anti wind farm, you get to live without power for 2 hours of the day. Fair, no?
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DarkTransient
10/10/18 2:35:07 AM
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FFS, wind power is a waste of time and resources. Go nuclear or go home.
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Questionmarktarius
10/10/18 2:49:55 AM
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Save the world! Lower emissions!! Reduce our carbon footprint!!!
Just, you know, not where I have to look at it.
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Esrac
10/10/18 2:55:09 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
FFS, wind power is a waste of time and resources. Go nuclear or go home.


This. I support nuclear energy over the alternatives.
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Herugrim
10/10/18 2:57:41 AM
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Oh God, Shadows! What we do!?
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 3:26:29 AM
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Esrac posted...
DarkTransient posted...
FFS, wind power is a waste of time and resources. Go nuclear or go home.


This. I support nuclear energy over the alternatives.
We can do both.
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Crepes
10/10/18 3:27:39 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Esrac posted...
DarkTransient posted...
FFS, wind power is a waste of time and resources. Go nuclear or go home.


This. I support nuclear energy over the alternatives.
We can do both.


Why do both if one is considered a lot more deficient than the other? Doesnt make sense.

Genuinely curious. Why waste money on a less efficient solution?
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InYourWalls1
10/10/18 4:03:23 AM
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Crepes posted...
Why do both if one is considered a lot more deficient than the other? Doesnt make sense.

Genuinely curious. Why waste money on a less efficient solution?


Many countries in europe are actually non-nuclear or in the process of phasing it out

The main arguments tend to be related to the environmental impact of nuclear waste and perceived safety issues
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 4:14:18 AM
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Crepes posted...
Why do both if one is considered a lot more deficient than the other? Doesnt make sense.

Genuinely curious. Why waste money on a less efficient solution?
Not every location is suited for Nuclear or want Nuclear in it's neighborhood.

The same with Wind.

Wind isn't suitable for every location.

Sometimes there is a right solution for a certain area.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 9:10:24 AM
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bump
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DifferentialEquation
10/10/18 9:12:55 AM
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clean coal >>>>> wind
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Darkman124
10/10/18 9:14:40 AM
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just sounds like NIMBY bullshit to me
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SageHarpuiaHX
10/10/18 9:17:14 AM
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Wasn't it found that windmills actually work better horizontally? Why are we still building turbines vertically?
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Solid Sonic
10/10/18 9:20:51 AM
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Protest idiotic planners not the concepts.

Anyone protesting this is an energy conglomerate sycophant under the guise of a non-issue.
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creativerealms
10/10/18 9:27:06 AM
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Why would America be next? We have a President who hates wind power.
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Coffeebeanz
10/10/18 9:29:51 AM
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All nuclear all the time
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/10/18 9:29:56 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Wind is stupidly dangerous and one of the least cost efficient means of generating clean energy.

You would almost certainly get more energy for less money by building a solar farm in the same spot you were going to build a wind farm.


Footprint.

Every time I drive to Chicago, I drive past a lot of farm land that also has turbines, if they had solar panels, I don't think the crops would fair so well.
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Coffeebeanz
10/10/18 9:30:47 AM
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Large solar arrays are murder fields for birds
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Solid Sonic
10/10/18 9:31:45 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
All nuclear all the time

...except when the power goes out, ironically.
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Coffeebeanz
10/10/18 9:34:30 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
All nuclear all the time

...except when the power goes out, ironically.


Harness the power of chaos.
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Tyranthraxus
10/10/18 9:37:24 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Wind is stupidly dangerous and one of the least cost efficient means of generating clean energy.

You would almost certainly get more energy for less money by building a solar farm in the same spot you were going to build a wind farm.


Footprint.

Every time I drive to Chicago, I drive past a lot of farm land that also has turbines, if they had solar panels, I don't think the crops would fair so well.


That's not really what footprint means but it's a valid point regardless. In this case the land is being used for something and you're just adding turbines to it.

There are some valleys in America that are literally nothing but wind farms and I just don't really think building a dedicated wind farm is a cost effective idea.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 9:58:13 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Large solar arrays are murder fields for birds
Only if they are the concentrator type like the one near Las Vegas / CA border that heats up the Molten Salt Reactor.

That one has birds literally poof in the sky.
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Darkman124
10/10/18 9:59:41 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Large solar arrays are murder fields for birds
Only if they are the concentrator type like the one near Las Vegas / CA border that heats up the Molten Salt Reactor.

That one has birds literally poof in the sky.


why do we suddenly care about the impact clean energy has on birds

the total numbers killed are utterly trivial and pale before the impact that most other non-nuclear power sources have on wildlife populations (nuclear impact is pretty difficult to measure since it's so long term)
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 10:01:27 AM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Wasn't it found that windmills actually work better horizontally? Why are we still building turbines vertically?
https://www.windpowerengineering.com/design/vertical-axis-wind-turbines/

Efficiency When the wind blows on the blades of a HAWT, all of them contribute to energy production. When wind blows on a vertical-axis turbine, only a fraction of the blades generate torque while the other parts merely go along for the ride. The result is comparably reduced efficiency in power generation.

Simply put, because power generation efficiency isnt as good, VAWTs arent as good long-term investments. This is ultimately why wind-energy developers have stuck with the HAWT. An owners greatest concern is simply generating as much power as possible over 20 plus years. Until recently, no prototype VAWT was close to the long-term generating capacity of horizontal-axis designs. Conventional VAWTs have no such optimization control, not yet, at least.

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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 10:02:10 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
why do we suddenly care about the impact clean energy has on birds

the total numbers killed are utterly trivial and pale before the impact that most other non-nuclear power sources have on wildlife populations (nuclear impact is pretty difficult to measure since it's so long term)
I don't, I'm just stating the facts.

Not all Solar Arrays kills birds, only a specific sub type does.
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Coffeebeanz
10/10/18 10:17:57 AM
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It's darkly funny. Didn't mean anything else by it.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 10:19:32 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
It's darkly funny. Didn't mean anything else by it.
I agree, when you see a bird flying about, then suddenly: a puff of smoke & feathers.
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Solid Sonic
10/10/18 10:33:07 AM
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Why is wind such a bad solution for clean energy anyway?

Turning a wheel to power a battery is something that has been a solution for mechanical transfer of energy since time immemorial. How is it suddenly not ideal?
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scar the 1
10/10/18 10:35:33 AM
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Milkman5 posted...
I thought Wind Energy sucked.

Shows how much you know. Wind energy blows.
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creativerealms
10/10/18 10:37:21 AM
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Obviously every source of energy is going to have it's set backs. Yet what's the option? No energy at all? That isn't an option, not in modern society. The choice is to keep working with the sources we have and work at making them safer or slowly transfer to an another safer source. The risks will never completely go away.
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Tyranthraxus
10/10/18 11:24:24 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Why is wind such a bad solution for clean energy anyway?

Turning a wheel to power a battery is something that has been a solution for mechanical transfer of energy since time immemorial. How is it suddenly not ideal?


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Hop103
10/10/18 11:28:29 AM
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Sounds like another left thing for the most part. Most of the complaints about them are due to birds being killed by them or noise, however, this won't last long in the US due to more and more corporate farms showing up.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 3:36:26 PM
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Hop103 posted...
Sounds like another left thing for the most part. Most of the complaints about them are due to birds being killed by them or noise, however, this won't last long in the US due to more and more corporate farms showing up.
We have plenty of Coast Line space available to line up with Wind Turbines.

So pile them in.

There are designs for "Super Huge" designs as well as the current standard sizes.
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spudger
10/10/18 3:40:14 PM
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just think of it like really large birds flying overhead
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RiderofHogs
10/10/18 3:41:12 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Hail coal!

Hail coal, brah.
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nemu
10/10/18 3:43:58 PM
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Holy shit, that looks like a giant pain in the ass. They just need to make it so they cannot be anywhere near residential areas. All of the ones in my area are on mountaintops. If it's flatland, just build them farther away.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 4:00:52 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMTchVXedkk" data-time="

I still believe the Kite-Based Wind Turbines have a real future in many places around the world where the cost & logistics of delivering a Wind Turbine is undesirable will use Kite-Based Wind Turbines as a alternate solution.
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Pogo_Marimo
10/10/18 4:05:10 PM
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I'm not anti-wind power, but obviously people's who's property has been demonstrably devalued due to their installation have a valid complaint.
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KamenRiderBlade
10/10/18 4:10:44 PM
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pikachupwnage
10/10/18 4:12:22 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Wind is stupidly dangerous and one of the least cost efficient means of generating clean energy.

You would almost certainly get more energy for less money by building a solar farm in the same spot you were going to build a wind farm.


What about solar windmills?
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