Current Events > American presidents, by tier.

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Not all of them, just...some of them. Also, no Trump, since he's still in power.

Great Tier

Lincoln

Very Good Tier

Obama
Johnson
Roosevelt (Teddy)

Good Tier

Clinton
Roosevelt (Franklin)
Eisenhower
McKinley

Okay Tier

JFK
Bush (both)
Carter
Cleveland
Washington
Adams
Truman

Bad Tier

Polk
Nixon
Reagan

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Your British is showing.
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I'd move FDR to the Great tier tbh
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FDR into Great, why is Obama in good? Move him to the Okay tier.
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Literally has Dubya over Washington
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Bush II is way too high.
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JFK for the great tier, Obama for the okay tier.
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This doesnt make sense. Do you have a criteria at all?
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Bush wasn't THAT bad. I mean, I'm not fan of the right wing, and he was no intellectual heavyweight (lol), but he seems like a good man, and he had a fair bit of charisma. You have to remember, he was dealt a very bad hand. How would you like it, if 8 months into your presidency, something like 9/11 happened? Bush was basically decent...just about.
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Bush Jr. should be absolute bottom tier, I have no fucking clue why people gloss over how terrible his presidency was
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Lincoln was a terrible president.
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Sunhawk posted...

Bush wasn't THAT bad. I mean, I'm not fan of the right wing, and he was no intellectual heavyweight (lol), but he seems like a good man, and he had a fair bit of charisma. You have to remember, he was dealt a very bad hand. How would you like it, if 8 months into your presidency, something like 9/11 happened? Bush was basically decent...just about.

is there a single subject you arent horrifyingly ignorant about

You and Zikten should team up
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Sunhawk posted...

Bush wasn't THAT bad. I mean, I'm not fan of the right wing, and he was no intellectual heavyweight (lol), but he seems like a good man, and he had a fair bit of charisma. You have to remember, he was dealt a very bad hand. How would you like it, if 8 months into your presidency, something like 9/11 happened? Bush was basically decent...just about.

Bush owes his second term to 9/11
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Sunhawk, Im curious as to how much American history youve studied to come to these conclusions
Doom_Art posted...

I'd move FDR to the Great tier tbh

Truth
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Alpha218 posted...

Sunhawk, Im curious as to how much American history youve studied to come to these conclusions
Doom_Art posted...

I'd move FDR to the Great tier tbh

Truth

I've read plenty about the presidents. Just because you lot don't agree with me, doesn't make me ignorant. And of course a Briton would have different opinions to Americans. That shouldn't be a surprise. I mean, almost half of Americans voting in the last election voted for Trump. You think many Britons, or non-Americans in general, approve of that?

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Exceptional
Washington
Lincoln

Great
T. Roosevelt
F. Roosevelt
Truman

Okay to Below Average
Most

Overrated as Fuck (aka - pre-presidency doesn't fucking count in presidential rankings)
Jefferson

Bad
A. Johnson
Harding
Coolidge
Nixon

Too Soon to Tell but Probably Bad
Trump

Worst
Buchanan
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Abolish the Great tier and move Lincoln down to Very Good.
Move LBJ to Okay.
Move FDR to Very Good.
Move Obama to Good.
Move Clinton to Okay.
Move JFK to Good.
Move Washington to Very Good.
Move Truman to Good.
Move Polk to Good (wtf were you putting him down there for?)
Move Reagan to Okay.

Also I think that Thomas Jefferson needs to be in the Very Good tier even though he wasn't mentioned on your list. He belongs there.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Abolish the Great tier and move Lincoln down to Very Good.
Move LBJ to Okay.
Move FDR to Very Good.
Move Obama to Good.
Move Clinton to Okay.
Move JFK to Good.
Move Washington to Very Good.
Move Truman to Good.
Move Polk to Good (wtf were you putting him down there for?)
Move Reagan to Okay.

Also I think that Thomas Jefferson needs to be in the Very Good tier even though he wasn't mentioned on your list. He belongs there.

Doesn't it bother you that Roosevelt hid / downplayer a very serious illness to the public? Doesn't it bother you that Reagan was a right wing nut? Doesn't it bother you that Polk was...almost completely forgettable?

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Washington-Obama were in the great-decent-somewhat bad tier

Trump is in the shit tier

Doesn't it bother you that Roosevelt hid / downplayer a very serious illness to the public?

Nope, not in the slightest. He was just trying to avoid bad press.

Doesn't it bother you that Reagan was a right wing nut?

There are many things I dislike about Reagan, but he still had some positive impact, particularly with respect to the Soviet Union and the perception of the US by the rest of the world (particularly the former Soviet Bloc). I don't think he belongs in the bottom tier.

Doesn't it bother you that Polk was...almost completely forgettable?

That is the fault of people's ignorance and not a reflection on his actual accomplishments. In just a single term the borders of the US expanded dramatically under his administration. The part of the US that I live in right now was acquired during his presidency. I should be grateful for him for that. What was called "Oregon Country" could have ended up in British hands had we had a President who was less keen on westward expansion at the time, which would mean the states of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and a bit of Montana would be Canadian today.
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Sunhawk posted...

Doesn't it bother you that Polk was...almost completely forgettable?

Say what you want about Polk, but the fact of the matter is that when judging a president by their campaign goals alone, he was arguably the most successful president in history.
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Reagan as bad? Exits topic.
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Open question to anyone who thinks highly of FDR.

Why?

The New Deal had mixed results but no one can dispute that unemployment was still awfully high during it's implementation.

He forced thousands of Japanese Americans into internment camps early in WW2 but felt okay with letting German and Italian Americans serve.

In what can only be described as a power play, he tried to stuff new seats into the SCOTUS and fill them with yes-men.

His composure and ability to keep the country civil during a terrible time stands out to me, but I just don't see how that or anything else overcomes his issues and elevates him to greatness.
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Silver Bearings posted...

Reagan as bad? Exits topic.

His domestic policies single handily ruined multiple generations of americans due to his rampant anti drug and pro incarceration policies. Hes worse than Nixon
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Doesn't it bother you that Roosevelt hid / downplayer a very serious illness to the public?

Nope, not in the slightest. He was just trying to avoid bad press.

Doesn't it bother you that Reagan was a right wing nut?

There are many things I dislike about Reagan, but he still had some positive impact, particularly with respect to the Soviet Union and the perception of the US by the rest of the world (particularly the former Soviet Bloc). I don't think he belongs in the bottom tier.

Doesn't it bother you that Polk was...almost completely forgettable?

That is the fault of people's ignorance and not a reflection on his actual accomplishments. In just a single term the borders of the US expanded dramatically under his administration. The part of the US that I live in right now was acquired during his presidency. I should be grateful for him for that. What was called "Oregon Country" could have ended up in British hands had we had a President who was less keen on westward expansion at the time, which would mean the states of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and a bit of Montana would be Canadian today.

FDR was just trying to avoid bad press? Isn't that like saying Nixon trying to cover up all his secret recordings of people was just to avoid bad press? Or Clinton not talking about Monica Lewinski was just to avoid bad press?

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Sunhawk posted...

Alpha218 posted...

Sunhawk, Im curious as to how much American history youve studied to come to these conclusions
Doom_Art posted...

I'd move FDR to the Great tier tbh

Truth

I've read plenty about the presidents. Just because you lot don't agree with me, doesn't make me ignorant. And of course a Briton would have different opinions to Americans. That shouldn't be a surprise. I mean, almost half of Americans voting in the last election voted for Trump. You think many Britons, or non-Americans in general, approve of that?

I was just asking a question bro.

I also didnt vote for Trump. Fuck Trump. More people voted against him than for. You also dont see me waving Brexit in your face because its kinda the same deal except Leave actually got the majority vote.
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Sunhawk posted...

Okay Tier

JFK
Bush (both)

huh
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Sunhawk posted...

FDR was just trying to avoid bad press? Isn't that like saying Nixon trying to cover up all his secret recordings of people was just to avoid bad press? Or Clinton not talking about Monica Lewinski was just to avoid bad press?

In FDR's case, he was just hiding a personal medical issue that did not prevent him from doing his job. People were prejudiced about dumb things back then. He was just being careful about his political image. Every politician does that.

That should not be compared with actual criminal conspiracies while in office in Nixon's case. As with Clinton and Lewinsky, the real issue there was him lying under oath and also using his connections to have the press smear her. Not at all the same thing.
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Many people in the media knew about his illness.

They chose not to talk about it out of respect to him, or so as to not make the country look weak.

But don't think it was some big secret to the people around him.
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Kennedy didn't seem to do much except be good looking and young. Also, he had the huge financial backings of his crazy plutocratic father, which probably helped him get elected.
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Bloodychess posted...

Many people in the media knew about his illness.

They chose not to talk about it out of respect to him, or so as to not make the country look weak.

But don't think it was some big secret to the people around him.

Lulz. Are you serious?

So, the people who worked for him knew, but not the millions who were expected to vote for him, and have enough information to do so well? You are a great shill for certain presidents. You should've campaigned for them or something, talking up their good points, and glossing over their bad stuff.

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Sunhawk posted...

You are a great shill for certain presidents. You should've campaigned for them or something, talking up their good points, and glossing over their bad stuff.

Bloodychess posted...

Open question to anyone who thinks highly of FDR.

Why?

The New Deal had mixed results but no one can dispute that unemployment was still awfully high during it's implementation.

He forced thousands of Japanese Americans into internment camps early in WW2 but felt okay with letting German and Italian Americans serve.

In what can only be described as a power play, he tried to stuff new seats into the SCOTUS and fill them with yes-men.

His composure and ability to keep the country civil during a terrible time stands out to me, but I just don't see how that or anything else overcomes his issues and elevates him to greatness.

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Grant is sorely underrated
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Bloodychess posted...

In what can only be described as a power play, he tried to stuff new seats into the SCOTUS and fill them with yes-men.

I see nothing wrong with it and can't wait for the Democrats to do it (properly this time) when they regain power.

Then before losing power, lock it off so the GOP can't do the same thing when they're in control.
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Sunhawk posted...

Kennedy didn't seem to do much except be good looking and young.

Don't forget launch a botched attack on Cuba
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Sunhawk posted...

So, the people who worked for him knew, but not the millions who were expected to vote for him, and have enough information to do so well?

He's not making that up lol

It was an open secret that FDR was disabled.
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How did you vote in Brexit Sunhawk? What is your opinion on Labour, the Tories and Theresa May? I want to know what informs your politcal opinions.

Im not an ignorant American. I follow politics, know American history and keep myself informed. And I catch a bit of your countrys politics too.
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This is how someone that lives to consume media thinks.
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Sunhawk posted...

Alpha218 posted...

Sunhawk, Im curious as to how much American history youve studied to come to these conclusions
Doom_Art posted...

I'd move FDR to the Great tier tbh

Truth

I've read plenty about the presidents. Just because you lot don't agree with me, doesn't make me ignorant. And of course a Briton would have different opinions to Americans. That shouldn't be a surprise. I mean, almost half of Americans voting in the last election voted for Trump. You think many Britons, or non-Americans in general, approve of that?

Hows that Brexit going for ya
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Musourenka posted...

Bush I & II are way too high.

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Also fun fact my grandpa on my dad's side voted against FDR
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Doom_Art posted...

Sunhawk posted...

So, the people who worked for him knew, but not the millions who were expected to vote for him, and have enough information to do so well?

He's not making that up lol

It was an open secret that FDR was disabled.

Yes, I know. But he downplayed it a LOT. His walking sticks were very strong, to say nothing of the press generally not being able to photograph him in the wheelchair. I mean, he died in office!

Shadowplay posted...

This is how someone that lives to consume media thinks.

Welcome to the world of millennials.

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Interesting how you throw that accusation out at me and then refuse to respond to me when I try to engage you in real discussion
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Who was the one that became President but didn't really want to be President? Was that Buchanan? Filmore? I cannot remember, but I remember reading on some list of bad presidents that one definitely had no interest.
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Sayoria posted...

Who was the one that became President but didn't really want to be President? Was that Buchanan? Filmore? I cannot remember, but I remember reading on some list of bad presidents that one definitely had no interest.

You're thinking of Donald Trump.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Bush Jr. should be absolute bottom tier, I have no fucking clue why people gloss over how terrible his presidency was

Obama to. He's basically the same as W but gets a pass because he was a black Democrat.
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Sayoria posted...

Who was the one that became President but didn't really want to be President? Was that Buchanan? Filmore? I cannot remember, but I remember reading on some list of bad presidents that one definitely had no interest.

Ford maybe because of circumstances, don't know much about him so I could be way off
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Bad tier
-All of them
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Sayoria posted...

Who was the one that became President but didn't really want to be President? Was that Buchanan? Filmore? I cannot remember, but I remember reading on some list of bad presidents that one definitely had no interest.

I remember Washington didnt really want to. But everyone was pushing for him to because he was the face of the American side during the Revolutionary War.

Fun fact, he was the only president to not have any political affiliation
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