Current Events > Abortion finally legalised in Queensland, Australia up to 22 weeks.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-17/abortion-legal-in-queensland-after-historic-vote/10382538

The previous abortion laws were literally written in 1899

Finally this state is moving into the 21st century
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Good for them.
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The 21st century is murdering them 6 months into a pregnancy? Wow.

TheKentster posted...

The 21st century is murdering them 6 months into a pregnancy? Wow.

Thankfully, nobody in Australia under the age of 50 thinks abortion is murder.

Can't wait for all the ass backwards 50+ year olds to die out so we don't have to listen to them.
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DavidWong posted...

TheKentster posted...

The 21st century is murdering them 6 months into a pregnancy? Wow.

Thankfully, nobody in Australia under the age of 50 thinks abortion is murder.

Can't wait for all the ass backwards 50+ year olds to die out so we don't have to listen to them.

Well, it is. That is a fully formed baby at that point that is perfectly capable of living on its own. That's very disgusting to think of being ok with killing it at that point.

madfoot melty
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Guess what? I don't have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. And yes, if something is living inside her, it's still her body and her choice.

Men should just stay out of the abortion debate altogether tbh
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DavidWong posted...

Guess what? I don't have the right to tell a woman what to do with her body. And yes, if something is living inside her, it's still her body and her choice.

Men should just stay out of the abortion debate altogether tbh

Well it's not her body we're talking about. It's her child.

If we have a problem with killing living things inside a person's body. We shouldn't be trying to kill cancer.
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I thought that was Australia wide. I should have listened tonthe radio a little more closely.

Kentster is madfoot TC, best to not pay attention to him, he never argues in good faith. Probably doesn't give a fuck about the kids after they are born and the parents can't support them.
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Tmaster148 posted...

If we have a problem with killing living things inside a person's body. We shouldn't be trying to kill cancer.

That is the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

TheKentster posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

If we have a problem with killing living things inside a person's body. We shouldn't be trying to kill cancer.

That is the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

Cancer are living cells. You shouldn't be trying to kill them.

Also you should stop washing yourself as well. You wouldn't want to kill all that living bacteria on you.
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Unbreakable posted...

Kentster is madfoot TC, best to not pay attention to him, he never argues in good faith. Probably doesn't give a fuck about the kids after they are born and the parents can't support them.

I honestly don't even know what madfoot is.

If they can't support the baby, they can put it up for adoption. There's a long waiting list. They could also just be responsible and use birth control so they don't get pregnant in the first place.

I'm not even arguing that here though. I'm taking offense to the 22 week thing. That's so far beyond where a decent person would say an abortion is ok.

TheKentster posted...

They could also just be responsible and use birth control so they don't get pregnant in the first place.

Oh right, I forgot, you've never had sex before and don't realize the pill isn't infallible and condoms can break.
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Good job.
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Unbreakable posted...

TheKentster posted...

They could also just be responsible and use birth control so they don't get pregnant in the first place.

Oh right, I forgot, you've never had sex before and don't realize the pill isn't infallible and condoms can break.

The pill is like 99.9% effective. If you're the one in 10 million who gets pregnant while on it, why would you wait 22 weeks to have it aborted?

TheKentster posted...

I'm not even arguing that here though. I'm taking offense to the 22 week thing. That's so far beyond where a decent person would say an abortion is ok.

22 weeks is the last possible time. That's when the baby is starting to look like a newborn. I'm assuming that's why it's the cutoff.
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TheKentster posted...

The pill is like 99.9% effective. If you're the one in 10 million who gets pregnant while on it, why would you wait 22 weeks to have it aborted?

There might be a waiting list.
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It's pretty weird logic to assume that the limit is 22 weeks that everyone will wait till the last possible moment to get an abortion.
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TheKentster posted...

Unbreakable posted...

TheKentster posted...

They could also just be responsible and use birth control so they don't get pregnant in the first place.

Oh right, I forgot, you've never had sex before and don't realize the pill isn't infallible and condoms can break.

The pill is like 99.9% effective. If you're the one in 10 million who gets pregnant while on it, why would you wait 22 weeks to have it aborted?

99.9% is not one in ten million. So you're okay with the abortion, just don't like the timeframe?
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Tmaster148 posted...

It's pretty weird logic to assume that the limit is 22 weeks that everyone will wait till the last possible moment to get an abortion.

That limit is far beyond any amount of decency. The baby feels pain by week 10! By week 22 that is a fully functioning baby. The law should not allow that by any means.

Women should not be aborting 5 month old fetuses. That's awful.
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There are premature babies that are born at 5 months.


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Almost 6 months is beyond monstrous
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DavidWong posted...

TheKentster posted...

The 21st century is murdering them 6 months into a pregnancy? Wow.

Thankfully, nobody in Australia under the age of 50 thinks abortion is murder.

Can't wait for all the ass backwards 50+ year olds to die out so we don't have to listen to them.

Same goes for the United States, but there are plenty of vocal, young, backwards individuals so idk if that will help as much here.
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Funbazooka posted...

There are premature babies that are born at 5 months.

womp womp
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Funbazooka posted...

There are premature babies that are born at 5 months.

I can't imagine having a postmature baby. Sounds awful and painful ugh.
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I would assume that the 22 weeks is a limit that wouldn't be passed unless the mother's life was in imminent danger. It's not like they're going to a doctor with an unwanted pregnancy of 22 weeks and going "Scoop it out, please!" - like it feels to me that at this point, it's easier to get an abortion in this timeframe if there's a risk to the child or mother, whereas any later than 22 weeks will be a much harder sell unless the mother has like blood poisoning or something that endangers her and the child.

Abortion at that late in development is a precautionary measure taken to preserve the life of someone who's got more to offer the world. And if it's an earlier decision, then you most likely have women who have so much to give to the world right now, in the prime of their lives - I don't see it as fair to saddle them with a responsibility that they don't feel capable of handling, just over this moral superiority over "saving a life". I'd rather see less children being born, but more children being born into functional homes with the means and support to raise them. If that means that women who don't have the means or support to raise a child abort those potential lives, then I'm down with it.

There's this platitude about letting life spring forth undeterred, but the women who get pregnant and who are quite literally bonded to these children for ~9 months are fully living, breathing autonomous beings who have their own skills and experience to offer. Y'all are freaking out over an unformed human with all of this magical potential and such, but if that kid comes into a world where it's not wanted, or where its life will be marred by poverty because its parents can barely stay afloat with them and a baby, or where it's been conceived as a "problem solver" for a dysfunctional relationship, then you've ruined the life of the parents as well as the kid.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons for abortion, though this late in the development would require an imminent health scare for me to be fully behind it.
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MrMallard posted...

I would assume that the 22 weeks is a limit that wouldn't be passed unless the mother's life was in imminent danger. It's not like they're going to a doctor with an unwanted pregnancy of 22 weeks and going "Scoop it out, please!" - like it feels to me that at this point, it's easier to get an abortion in this timeframe if there's a risk to the child or mother, whereas any later than 22 weeks will be a much harder sell unless the mother has like blood poisoning or something that endangers her and the child.

Abortion at that late in development is a precautionary measure taken to preserve the life of someone who's got more to offer the world. And if it's an earlier decision, then you most likely have women who have so much to give to the world right now, in the prime of their lives - I don't see it as fair to saddle them with a responsibility that they don't feel capable of handling, just over this moral superiority over "saving a life". I'd rather see less children being born, but more children being born into functional homes with the means and support to raise them. If that means that women who don't have the means or support to raise a child abort those potential lives, then I'm down with it.

There's this platitude about letting life spring forth undeterred, but the women who get pregnant and who are quite literally bonded to these children for ~9 months are fully living, breathing autonomous beings who have their own skills and experience to offer. Y'all are freaking out over an unformed human with all of this magical potential and such, but if that kid comes into a world where it's not wanted, or where its life will be marred by poverty because its parents can barely stay afloat with them and a baby, or where it's been conceived as a "problem solver" for a dysfunctional relationship, then you've ruined the life of the parents as well as the kid.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons for abortion, though this late in the development would require an imminent health scare for me to be fully behind it.

The laws mean abortion will be available, on request, at up to 22 weeks' gestation.

It also allows an abortion to take place after 22 weeks if the medical practitioner performing the termination has consulted with a second medical practitioner and both agreed that "in all the circumstances" the abortion should be performed.

Pretty much yeah.
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Seems imminently reasonable.