Current Events > Will those against expanding transgender rights be on the wrong side of history?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Just wondering.
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Yes. As will those who make a mockery of it with their fad genders.
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DarkTransient posted...

Yes. As will those who make a mockery of it with their fad genders.

What
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In general, those wanting to restrict the freedoms of other groups of people simply because they don't understand or agree with who or what they are (colour of their skin, sexuality, religion...) tend to be in the wrong.

obviously
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ArchiePeck posted...

In general, those wanting to restrict the freedoms of other groups of people simply because they don't understand or agree with who or what they are (colour of their skin, sexuality, religion...) tend to be in the wrong.

More than half of CE are in the wrong then...
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Geiki Ganger posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

In general, those wanting to restrict the freedoms of other groups of people simply because they don't understand or agree with who or what they are (colour of their skin, sexuality, religion...) tend to be in the wrong.

More than half of CE are in the wrong then...

I'm reminded of the South Park clip where they discuss that one-fourth of Americans believe 9/11 was a conspiracy...
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Not when those very same people demanding the rights won't acknowledge transrace or species.,

Yeah, definitely. I think the most telling observation is that there arguments against LGBT rights (It's unnatural, it'll encourage people to do it, it'll damage family values/tradition, it goes against religion/culture/history, etc) are the exact same arguments used against interracial marriage.

I don't care much. I believe in live and let live, so go do what you want and believe what you want. Just don't expect the government to pay for your shit, likewise stop trying to use the government to hurt other people.
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So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint. You can call people whatever you want, and they, in turn, can call you whatever they want. Are you too thin skinned to stand by what you say?

Dash_Harber posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint.

Too many dogs crying that I refuse to call them cats.

What do you mean expanding rights? I'm not sure what you think is left. They can freely have the surgery, they can't legally be discriminated against... What else is there?
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...

What do you mean expanding rights? I'm not sure what you think is left. They can freely have the surgery, they can't legally be discriminated against... What else is there?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/22/politics/transgender-trump-protection-rollback-trnd/index.html
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Ok, that has nothing to do with expanding rights and certainly doesn't take any rights away
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Yes. Eventually people will wonder why they ever gave a shit.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...

Ok, that has nothing to do with expanding rights and certainly doesn't take any rights away

Did you even read the article past the headline?
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Yes. I read it in the other two topics too. It doesn't take any rights away. That's just baseless fearmongering. But you go ahead, what rights are being taken away. I'm listening
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I don't see how your poll question actually is tied to the actions of the Trump administration. The intent behind their move (I assume) is to eventually eliminate any special treatments associated with any gender. This will lead to a level playing field for all.

Second option for me.
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TheRealDill1999 posted...

I don't see how your poll question actually is tied to the actions of the Trump administration. The intent behind their move (I assume) is to eventually eliminate any special treatments associated with any gender. This will lead to a level playing field for all.

I'm glad someone else can read and comprehend what they are reading instead of parroting talking points. And they wonder why that meme got started? Lol. I give you props for that
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infringing on peoples basic rights is always bad.
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Dash_Harber posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint. You can call people whatever you want, and they, in turn, can call you whatever they want. Are you too thin skinned to stand by what you say?

In Canada its illegal to refer to someone by a pronoun they dont identify with, so technically its a literal crime to misgender someone.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint. You can call people whatever you want, and they, in turn, can call you whatever they want. Are you too thin skinned to stand by what you say?

In Canada its illegal to refer to someone by a pronoun they dont identify with, so technically its a literal crime to misgender someone.

Holy shit! Is that for real? That's all kinds of crazy. That's gotta be satire
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint. You can call people whatever you want, and they, in turn, can call you whatever they want. Are you too thin skinned to stand by what you say?

In Canada its illegal to refer to someone by a pronoun they dont identify with, so technically its a literal crime to misgender someone.

Holy shit! Is that for real? That's all kinds of crazy. That's gotta be satire

Well, courts still have to show that you intentionally and willfully misgendered someone to promote hatred, but yea its still pretty sketchy when you try to regulate speech in such a manner.
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What rights are we talking about? You can go too far in expanding, like aiding children in transitioning. That is child abuse far as I'm concerned.
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Kazi1212 posted...

__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint. You can call people whatever you want, and they, in turn, can call you whatever they want. Are you too thin skinned to stand by what you say?

In Canada its illegal to refer to someone by a pronoun they dont identify with, so technically its a literal crime to misgender someone.

Holy shit! Is that for real? That's all kinds of crazy. That's gotta be satire

Well, courts still have to show that you intentionally and willfully misgendered someone to promote hatred, but yea its still pretty sketchy when you try to regulate speech in such a manner.

Damn. People can say what they want about Anerica but at least we have free speech. What Canada is doing sounds legit insane. I'm not sure but I think I heard California was gonna try something similar and label it a hate crime(don't quote me on that though). I'm literally shocked.
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Umm idk that they don't have any rights that any citizen wouldn't have. Are you talking extra protections like in other countries or what

I think the reason they're so hell-bent on forcing acceptance from everyone else is cus they can't accept themselves
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Oh good. Everyone's here.
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...

Holy shit! Is that for real? That's all kinds of crazy. That's gotta be satire

Kind of, but not really. It is important to note that this does not apply to most people, only certain relationships are covered by human rights legislation in Canada. They don't apply between people on the street, but rather to employment, housing, commercial transactions and education- all areas that have much higher levels of government regulation already.
Further, C-16 only applied to federal jurisdiction, which is mostly banks, airports and fisheries. The most likely instance where pronoun use could even come up is employment- so let's take a hypothetical of an employer who hires a transgender employee. The boss referring to this employee with the wrong pronoun is not discrimination in itself, but if they continued to do so despite requests to use another, that could come to the realm of harassment or creating a hostile work environment, under which the employee could make a complaint to the human rights tribunal of their province. This would be like if the employee was black and the boss kept using racial slurs to refer to them- I think you can understand how that would be a problem.*
*In this context it's a useful example regarding what sort of conduct is being targeted by this legislation. It's not simple misgendering, but a repeated, malicious pattern of conduct. It doesn't even have to apply to a transgendered person- imagine a straight, cisgendered woman who dressed in a very masculine, "butch" way. Should her boss be allowed to mock her, and refer to her with male pronouns despite her making it clear to him that it bothers her? Can you see how that would be demeaning and hostile in a way that would interfere with her ability to work there, much like someone who used racially demeaning language to a black employee?
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CyricZ posted...

Oh good. Everyone's here.

*Pulls out detonation switch*

Still missing two
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__B0xxY2J0sHBK_ posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

SaithSayer posted...

So long as I don't have to call people what they're not, I don't give a shit.

I don't know why this is a complaint. You can call people whatever you want, and they, in turn, can call you whatever they want. Are you too thin skinned to stand by what you say?

In Canada its illegal to refer to someone by a pronoun they dont identify with, so technically its a literal crime to misgender someone.

Holy shit! Is that for real? That's all kinds of crazy. That's gotta be satire

No, it's not for real. It's one of Jordan Peterson's bunk ass conspiracies;

http://sds.utoronto.ca/blog/bill-c-16-no-its-not-about-criminalizing-pronoun-misuse/