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HiddenLurker 10/22/18 2:58:35 PM #151:	Veggeta X posted... What triggered for this huge revolution? They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:910967817] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>What triggered for this huge revolution?</quote> They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/22/18 2:59:22 PM #152:	HiddenLurker posted... If the police had shot into the mob there would have been a stampede. Not to mention the huge mob would have probably tore them apart.... No one's saying that's the not the case, just that Kentster falsely claimed that they had overpowered police through armed show of force without evidence. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910967870] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote>If the police had shot into the mob there would have been a stampede. Not to mention the huge mob would have probably tore them apart....</quote> No one's saying that's the not the case, just that Kentster falsely claimed that they had overpowered police through armed show of force without evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 10/22/18 3:00:51 PM #153:	lolife67 posted... HiddenLurker posted... If the police had shot into the mob there would have been a stampede. Not to mention the huge mob would have probably tore them apart.... Which has nothing to do with the point that was being argued so... Fair enough. The police valued their own lives and probably knew the optics of shooting into a "caravan" would be horrible. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:910967951] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>lolife67 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote>If the police had shot into the mob there would have been a stampede. Not to mention the huge mob would have probably tore them apart....</quote> Which has nothing to do with the point that was being argued so...</quote> Fair enough. The police valued their own lives and probably knew the optics of shooting into a "caravan" would be horrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat More Beef 10/22/18 3:05:33 PM #154:	@Darkman124 posted... Eat More Beef posted... I see your point, but enlisting is something anyone with a high school education can accomplish, where as it takes a lot to get into politics. I just dislike people that sit at home, typing on the internet that they want the military to tale care of a problem when they don't have the gumption to get off their ass, join and be apart of the solution their advocating for. uh, the conservative suggestion is 'give away all your money to make a tiny dent in the problem you correctly have identified' and yours is 'give away four years of your freedom and potentially your life to make a tiny dent in the problem you correctly have identified' both are deeply reductive in the exact same way and i assumed you were making the argument to mock that specific conservative talking point I don't know if I'm mocking them, but more I'm tired of people pushing for an armed response when not willing to actually do it themselves. It frustrates me... i dunno how to put it better than that because this thread jas hit a nerve. Also, this ain't the first time you've called me out on stuff, and I doubt it'll be tje last, but I wanna say I appreciate you as a human who has a solid head on their shoulders. --- I wrote a horror short story collection. You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat More Beef posted [p:910968212] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eat More Beef posted...</cite> <quote>I see your point, but enlisting is something anyone with a high school education can accomplish, where as it takes a lot to get into politics. I just dislike people that sit at home, typing on the internet that they want the military to tale care of a problem when they don't have the gumption to get off their ass, join and be apart of the solution their advocating for. </quote> uh, the conservative suggestion is 'give away all your money to make a tiny dent in the problem you correctly have identified' and yours is 'give away four years of your freedom and potentially your life to make a tiny dent in the problem you correctly have identified' both are deeply reductive in the exact same way and i assumed you were making the argument to mock that specific conservative talking point</quote> I don't know if I'm mocking them, but more I'm tired of people pushing for an armed response when not willing to actually do it themselves. It frustrates me... i dunno how to put it better than that because this thread jas hit a nerve. Also, this ain't the first time you've called me out on stuff, and I doubt it'll be tje last, but I wanna say I appreciate you as a human who has a solid head on their shoulders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/22/18 3:07:56 PM #155:	HiddenLurker posted... They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly. WTF so why are they making a big deal? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:910968339] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote>They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly.</quote> WTF so why are they making a big deal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jonestown 10/22/18 3:09:55 PM #156:	BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... because your relatives are originally from there But my relatives fled to the south when commies invaded North Korea. Why didn't they stay and fight to improve their homelands? They did... from the south. and then they moved to america too? It sounds to me like they keep moving around after depleting a country's gibs for them. Funny how you shit on people for doing the same now Uh, the the fighting stopped before my parents were born. --- Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it: https://youtu.be/VWqACvTknls https://youtu.be/KKvvOFIHs4k <cite>Jonestown posted [p:910968459] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote> because your relatives are originally from there</quote> But my relatives fled to the south when commies invaded North Korea.</quote> Why didn't they stay and fight to improve their homelands?</quote> They did... from the south.</quote> and then they moved to america too? It sounds to me like they keep moving around after depleting a country's gibs for them. Funny how you shit on people for doing the same now</quote> Uh, the the fighting stopped before my parents were born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/22/18 3:11:15 PM #157:	Eat More Beef posted... I don't know if I'm mocking them, but more I'm tired of people pushing for an armed response when not willing to actually do it themselves. It frustrates me... i dunno how to put it better than that because this thread jas hit a nerve. Also, this ain't the first time you've called me out on stuff, and I doubt it'll be tje last, but I wanna say I appreciate you as a human who has a solid head on their shoulders. always. i will tell you that the amorality of suggesting an armed response to a large group of refugees that are barely over the mexican border and over a thousand miles from the US border does not require analogy or a call of hypocrisy against those who promote it. calling for state-sanctioned violence against nonviolent refugees who are nowhere near our borders is deeply evil and only those who are deeply evil themselves cannot see why. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:910968527] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eat More Beef posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know if I'm mocking them, but more I'm tired of people pushing for an armed response when not willing to actually do it themselves. It frustrates me... i dunno how to put it better than that because this thread jas hit a nerve. Also, this ain't the first time you've called me out on stuff, and I doubt it'll be tje last, but I wanna say I appreciate you as a human who has a solid head on their shoulders. </quote> always. i will tell you that the amorality of suggesting an armed response to a large group of refugees that are barely over the mexican border and over a thousand miles from the US border does not require analogy or a call of hypocrisy against those who promote it. calling for state-sanctioned violence against nonviolent refugees who are nowhere near our borders is deeply evil and only those who are deeply evil themselves cannot see why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 10/22/18 3:12:35 PM #158:	Veggeta X posted... HiddenLurker posted... They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly. WTF so why are they making a big deal? election in november election in november --- wu-tang is the cd that I travel with <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:910968602] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote>They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly.</quote> WTF so why are they making a big deal?</quote> election in november election in november</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 10/22/18 3:12:53 PM #159:	Time to beef up border security --- \|)\|_ \|_\_/\|)\|_\|)\| - RE expert44 \|\\|__ \|__/\\| \|__\|\_\| This is RE expert44 (b^.^b)Have a nice day... <cite>Middle hope posted [p:910968619] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>Time to beef up border security</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 10/22/18 3:15:37 PM #160:	HiddenLurker posted... lolife67 posted... HiddenLurker posted... If the police had shot into the mob there would have been a stampede. Not to mention the huge mob would have probably tore them apart.... Which has nothing to do with the point that was being argued so... Fair enough. The police valued their own lives and probably knew the optics of shooting into a "caravan" would be horrible. Definitely. What that other poster was saying is that the refugees have weapons and used them to fight off the police. That never happened though. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:910968788] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lolife67 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote>If the police had shot into the mob there would have been a stampede. Not to mention the huge mob would have probably tore them apart....</quote> Which has nothing to do with the point that was being argued so...</quote> Fair enough. The police valued their own lives and probably knew the optics of shooting into a "caravan" would be horrible.</quote> Definitely. What that other poster was saying is that the refugees have weapons and used them to fight off the police. That never happened though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 10/22/18 3:15:40 PM #161:	They just love America. http://www.ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/ap-top-news/2018/10/20/the-latest-migrants-wait-to-cross-border-with-mexico Donald Trump Is the 'Antichrist' and Is 'Going To Hell,' Immigrant From Caravan Says https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-anti-christ-and-going-hell-immigrant-caravan-says-1180151 A Central American migrant has blasted President Donald Trump in angry comments to CNNs Bill Weir at the border between Mexico and Guatemala. Donald Trump is the antichrist, the unidentified man can bee seen saying in Spanish during a CNN report aired this weekend on the immigrant caravan that has traveled to the Mexican border from Honduras. If he doesnt repent, hes going to hell, the man adds. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:910968791] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>They just love America. http://www.ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/ap-top-news/2018/10/20/the-latest-migrants-wait-to-cross-border-with-mexico Donald Trump Is the 'Antichrist' and Is 'Going To Hell,' Immigrant From Caravan Says https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-anti-christ-and-going-hell-immigrant-caravan-says-1180151 A Central American migrant has blasted President Donald Trump in angry comments to CNNs Bill Weir at the border between Mexico and Guatemala. Donald Trump is the antichrist, the unidentified man can bee seen saying in Spanish during a CNN report aired this weekend on the immigrant caravan that has traveled to the Mexican border from Honduras. If he doesnt repent, hes going to hell, the man adds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 10/22/18 3:20:30 PM #162:	There is no way the US just lets all these people enter. If they genuinely get close to the border Id guess the National Guard will be called in. Trump isnt gonna allow these fools in and I dont blame him. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:910969056] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>There is no way the US just lets all these people enter. If they genuinely get close to the border Id guess the National Guard will be called in. Trump isnt gonna allow these fools in and I dont blame him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 10/22/18 3:22:34 PM #163:	Freddie_Mercury posted... Veggeta X posted... HiddenLurker posted... They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly. WTF so why are they making a big deal? election in november election in november Makes sense. All the more reason to turn them away then. They are not refugees nor are they fleeing a failed hostile government it seems. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:910969169] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Freddie_Mercury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote>They do this every year. Hell it appears to be sceduled so not sure where people are claiming they are running from a hostile government. Not to mention some of them are seen waving flags of the government that wants to kill them supposingly.</quote> WTF so why are they making a big deal?</quote> election in november election in november</quote> Makes sense. All the more reason to turn them away then. They are not refugees nor are they fleeing a failed hostile government it seems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 10/22/18 3:35:35 PM #164:	People who are calling for them to be shot like animals need to end up on some kind of watch list. Not only is that highly illegal, its optically be an awful move by the US government and likewise cause a backlash internationally the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. They're far more likely to detain and deport them quietly than have videos of the military shooting men, women and children randomly leak out there jfc --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:910969892] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>People who are calling for them to be shot like animals need to end up on some kind of watch list. Not only is that highly illegal, its optically be an awful move by the US government and likewise cause a backlash internationally the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. They're far more likely to detain and deport them quietly than have videos of the military shooting men, women and children randomly leak out there jfc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 10/22/18 3:36:54 PM #165:	Seeing as how the violence they are fleeing is a direct result of US interference in the region (over a period of decades no less) we should probably let them in. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:910969964] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>Seeing as how the violence they are fleeing is a direct result of US interference in the region (over a period of decades no less) we should probably let them in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 10/22/18 3:36:59 PM #166:	The Great Muta 22 posted... People who are calling for them to be shot like animals need to end up on some kind of watch list. Not only is that highly illegal, its optically be an awful move by the US government and likewise cause a backlash internationally the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. They're far more likely to detain and deport them quietly than have videos of the military shooting men, women and children randomly leak out there jfc The only people I've seen calling for them to be shot are incel pony accounts. --- "honestly the worst thing about Shaun King is how pro-cop he is" - averagejoel <cite>thelovefist posted [p:910969968] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>People who are calling for them to be shot like animals need to end up on some kind of watch list. Not only is that highly illegal, its optically be an awful move by the US government and likewise cause a backlash internationally the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. They're far more likely to detain and deport them quietly than have videos of the military shooting men, women and children randomly leak out there jfc</quote> The only people I've seen calling for them to be shot are incel pony accounts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 10/22/18 3:46:57 PM #167:	Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully. Frankly it's not surprising but still disheartening how many of you people here are basically hoping and wishing for the military to open fire on these people. But hey, if you guys want international scorn, the US getting sanctioned abroad from across the globe, and a plethora of other serious consequences of a mass execution of asylum seekers just so you can get your rocks off watching them be my guest. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:910970539] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully. Frankly it's not surprising but still disheartening how many of you people here are basically hoping and wishing for the military to open fire on these people. But hey, if you guys want international scorn, the US getting sanctioned abroad from across the globe, and a plethora of other serious consequences of a mass execution of asylum seekers just so you can get your rocks off watching them be my guest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlockWatcher 10/22/18 3:57:17 PM #169:	We want to get to the United States, said Maria Irias Rodriguez, 17, a migrant from Tegucigalpa, Honduras, who was traveling with her 8-month-old daughter, 2-year-old son and husband. If they stop us now, well just come back a second time. --- 1 John 2: 15-17 <cite>BlockWatcher posted [p:910971130] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>We want to get to the United States, said Maria Irias Rodriguez, 17, a migrant from Tegucigalpa, Honduras, who was traveling with her 8-month-old daughter, 2-year-old son and husband. If they stop us now, well just come back a second time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 10/22/18 4:01:42 PM #171:	ScazarMeltex posted... Seeing as how the violence they are fleeing is a direct result of US interference in the region (over a period of decades no less) we should probably let them in. lmfao jesus christ --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:910971371] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>Seeing as how the violence they are fleeing is a direct result of US interference in the region (over a period of decades no less) we should probably let them in.</quote> lmfao jesus christ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/22/18 4:06:12 PM #172:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully. The bolded is completely true, but do you really not differentiate between someone or their family fleeing persecution, and a yearly organized caravan of thousands of people crossing multiple borders in an attempt to get to one specific country? At what point do you start to call something more than just asylum seeking? Does it stop being "flight out of fear for your life" when it's organized, scheduled, and yearly? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:910971622] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully.</quote> The bolded is completely true, but do you really not differentiate between someone or their family fleeing persecution, and a yearly organized caravan of thousands of people crossing multiple borders in an attempt to get to one specific country? At what point do you start to call something more than just asylum seeking? Does it stop being "flight out of fear for your life" when it's organized, scheduled, and yearly?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DD Divine 10/22/18 4:06:19 PM #173:	Put them in a tent city. Men of well body and mind and age can join any branch of our military. Children can get an education Women can either join any branch of our military or provide help at various jobs in the tent city. Trump can pay for the tent city. It would show great compassion. --- while driving yesterday I saw a banana peel in the road and I instinctively swerved to miss it, thanks a lot Mario Kart. <cite>DD Divine posted [p:910971630] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>Put them in a tent city. Men of well body and mind and age can join any branch of our military. Children can get an education Women can either join any branch of our military or provide help at various jobs in the tent city. Trump can pay for the tent city. It would show great compassion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kronos96 10/22/18 4:07:23 PM #174:	VanDam posted... Whatever they can to stop them. We can't just allow thousands of people from Honduras to just march right on in. I'm sorry but we can't. The US can go to * These MF's are allowing hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans to infest countries like Peru, Ecuador and Colombia. Countries that have populations of 30 million or 40 million tops. The US complains about a few thousands? LOL. <cite>kronos96 posted [p:910971675] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>VanDam posted...</cite> <quote>Whatever they can to stop them. We can't just allow thousands of people from Honduras to just march right on in. I'm sorry but we can't.</quote> The US can go to * These MF's are allowing hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans to infest countries like Peru, Ecuador and Colombia. Countries that have populations of 30 million or 40 million tops. The US complains about a few thousands? LOL.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SavenForever 10/22/18 4:08:42 PM #175:	kronos96 posted... VanDam posted... Whatever they can to stop them. We can't just allow thousands of people from Honduras to just march right on in. I'm sorry but we can't. The US can go to * The US can go to ass? --- https://imgur.com/aFt7pKH <cite>SavenForever posted [p:910971734] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>kronos96 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VanDam posted...</cite> <quote>Whatever they can to stop them. We can't just allow thousands of people from Honduras to just march right on in. I'm sorry but we can't.</quote> The US can go to *</quote> The US can go to ass?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 10/22/18 4:10:35 PM #176:	s0nicfan posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully. The bolded is completely true, but do you really not differentiate between someone or their family fleeing persecution, and a yearly organized caravan of thousands of people crossing multiple borders in an attempt to get to one specific country? At what point do you start to call something more than just asylum seeking? Does it stop being "flight out of fear for your life" when it's organized, scheduled, and yearly? No, it doesn't stop being that, despite your own conspiracy theories about it being some organized attempt by Democrats to steal elections or whatever you've concocted. The point is that what is happening is nothing new, and that the vetting process for the US is one of the strictest and successful in the world, and yet people want us to turn into fucking Israel and simply open fire and mow down "the undesirables". Fuck. That. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:910971829] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully.</quote> The bolded is completely true, but do you really not differentiate between someone or their family fleeing persecution, and a yearly organized caravan of thousands of people crossing multiple borders in an attempt to get to one specific country? At what point do you start to call something more than just asylum seeking? Does it stop being "flight out of fear for your life" when it's organized, scheduled, and yearly?</quote> No, it doesn't stop being that, despite your own conspiracy theories about it being some organized attempt by Democrats to steal elections or whatever you've concocted. The point is that what is happening is nothing new, and that the vetting process for the US is one of the strictest and successful in the world, and yet people want us to turn into fucking Israel and simply open fire and mow down "the undesirables". Fuck. That.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 10/22/18 4:11:46 PM #178:	The Great Muta 22 posted... s0nicfan posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully. The bolded is completely true, but do you really not differentiate between someone or their family fleeing persecution, and a yearly organized caravan of thousands of people crossing multiple borders in an attempt to get to one specific country? At what point do you start to call something more than just asylum seeking? Does it stop being "flight out of fear for your life" when it's organized, scheduled, and yearly? No, it doesn't stop being that, despite your own conspiracy theories about it being some organized attempt by Democrats to steal elections or whatever you've concocted. The point is that what is happening is nothing new, and that the vetting process for the US is one of the strictest and successful in the world, and yet people want us to turn into fucking Israel and simply open fire and mow down "the undesirables". Fuck. That. I... I didn't say any of that. Jesus christ dial it back a bit. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:910971890] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, does no one remember when this same thing happened a year ago? The military didn't open fire upon them then, and it wasn't some mass "invasion" as you psychopaths are painting it as. Asylum seekers are a thing that has existed, and will exist, moving forward. There's processes in place to handle this situation, which will work out fine and end peacefully.</quote> The bolded is completely true, but do you really not differentiate between someone or their family fleeing persecution, and a yearly organized caravan of thousands of people crossing multiple borders in an attempt to get to one specific country? At what point do you start to call something more than just asylum seeking? Does it stop being "flight out of fear for your life" when it's organized, scheduled, and yearly?</quote> No, it doesn't stop being that, despite your own conspiracy theories about it being some organized attempt by Democrats to steal elections or whatever you've concocted. The point is that what is happening is nothing new, and that the vetting process for the US is one of the strictest and successful in the world, and yet people want us to turn into fucking Israel and simply open fire and mow down "the undesirables". Fuck. That.</quote> I... I didn't say any of that. Jesus christ dial it back a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/22/18 4:12:19 PM #179:	Is this really the best narrative that conservatives can come up with? --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:910971922] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>Is this really the best narrative that conservatives can come up with?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 10/22/18 4:14:35 PM #180:	If they're seeking asylum for credible reasons and we have capacity, take as many in as allowed on a yearly basis. If they do not have credible reasons, turn them away like everyone else. If the US has already filled a quarterly/yearly quota, they're out of luck. We cannot help everyone in the world. Some people will unfortunately always suffer. I'd honestly rather money and resources go to helping improve their home countries to the point where they're livable enough for them to want to stay and fix the broken system they were born into. <cite>nemu posted [p:910972051] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>If they're seeking asylum for credible reasons and we have capacity, take as many in as allowed on a yearly basis. If they do not have credible reasons, turn them away like everyone else. If the US has already filled a quarterly/yearly quota, they're out of luck. We cannot help everyone in the world. Some people will unfortunately always suffer. I'd honestly rather money and resources go to helping improve their home countries to the point where they're livable enough for them to want to stay and fix the broken system they were born into.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 10/22/18 4:17:51 PM #181:	Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... because your relatives are originally from there But my relatives fled to the south when commies invaded North Korea. Why didn't they stay and fight to improve their homelands? They did... from the south. and then they moved to america too? It sounds to me like they keep moving around after depleting a country's gibs for them. Funny how you shit on people for doing the same now Uh, the the fighting stopped before my parents were born. so.. go back there then? --- Long live The Fam! They hate us 'cuz they ain't us! <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:910972201] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote> because your relatives are originally from there</quote> But my relatives fled to the south when commies invaded North Korea.</quote> Why didn't they stay and fight to improve their homelands?</quote> They did... from the south.</quote> and then they moved to america too? It sounds to me like they keep moving around after depleting a country's gibs for them. Funny how you shit on people for doing the same now</quote> Uh, the the fighting stopped before my parents were born.</quote> so.. go back there then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/22/18 4:54:47 PM #182:	I'm not saying let them in but to treat them as an invading army? That's just nuts. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:910974224] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>I'm not saying let them in but to treat them as an invading army? That's just nuts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonYoutube 10/22/18 5:11:43 PM #183:	nemu posted... If they're seeking asylum for credible reasons and we have capacity, take as many in as allowed on a yearly basis. If they do not have credible reasons, turn them away like everyone else. If the US has already filled a quarterly/yearly quota, they're out of luck. We cannot help everyone in the world. Some people will unfortunately always suffer. I'd honestly rather money and resources go to helping improve their home countries to the point where they're livable enough for them to want to stay and fix the broken system they were born into. See, the thing is: it requires much more than just money. It requires them to actually give a fuck about making their country better. And that requires a lot of effort. So clearly they prefer trekking across half a continent for a shot at being a welfare parasite in the US over actually trying to fix up their shithole countries. <cite>PokemonYoutube posted [p:910975158] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>If they're seeking asylum for credible reasons and we have capacity, take as many in as allowed on a yearly basis. If they do not have credible reasons, turn them away like everyone else. If the US has already filled a quarterly/yearly quota, they're out of luck. We cannot help everyone in the world. Some people will unfortunately always suffer. I'd honestly rather money and resources go to helping improve their home countries to the point where they're livable enough for them to want to stay and fix the broken system they were born into.</quote> See, the thing is: it requires much more than just money. It requires them to actually give a fuck about making their country better. And that requires a lot of effort. So clearly they prefer trekking across half a continent for a shot at being a welfare parasite in the US over actually trying to fix up their shithole countries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jonestown 10/22/18 5:26:31 PM #184:	BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... Jonestown posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... because your relatives are originally from there But my relatives fled to the south when commies invaded North Korea. Why didn't they stay and fight to improve their homelands? They did... from the south. and then they moved to america too? It sounds to me like they keep moving around after depleting a country's gibs for them. Funny how you shit on people for doing the same now Uh, the the fighting stopped before my parents were born. so.. go back there then? Too late. We already became citizens since, you know, we came legally. --- Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it: https://youtu.be/VWqACvTknls https://youtu.be/KKvvOFIHs4k <cite>Jonestown posted [p:910975902] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote> because your relatives are originally from there</quote> But my relatives fled to the south when commies invaded North Korea.</quote> Why didn't they stay and fight to improve their homelands?</quote> They did... from the south.</quote> and then they moved to america too? It sounds to me like they keep moving around after depleting a country's gibs for them. Funny how you shit on people for doing the same now</quote> Uh, the the fighting stopped before my parents were born.</quote> so.. go back there then?</quote> Too late. We already became citizens since, you know, we came legally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 10/22/18 5:28:59 PM #185:	Jonestown posted... Too late. We already became citizens since, you know, we came legally. Nothing a few strokes of a pen can't change ;) This is the kind of stuff you advocate for. What, it's suddenly different when it's about you? --- Long live The Fam! They hate us 'cuz they ain't us! <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:910976026] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jonestown posted...</cite> <quote> Too late. We already became citizens since, you know, we came legally.</quote> Nothing a few strokes of a pen can't change ;) This is the kind of stuff you advocate for. What, it's suddenly different when it's about you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 10/22/18 5:29:56 PM #186:	nemu posted... If they're seeking asylum for credible reasons and we have capacity, take as many in as allowed on a yearly basis. If they do not have credible reasons, turn them away like everyone else. If the US has already filled a quarterly/yearly quota, they're out of luck. We cannot help everyone in the world. Some people will unfortunately always suffer. I'd honestly rather money and resources go to helping improve their home countries to the point where they're livable enough for them to want to stay and fix the broken system they were born into. going to the border is skipping the line, they're going to have to wait like everyone else when they go through the proper channels. --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:910976076] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>If they're seeking asylum for credible reasons and we have capacity, take as many in as allowed on a yearly basis. If they do not have credible reasons, turn them away like everyone else. If the US has already filled a quarterly/yearly quota, they're out of luck. We cannot help everyone in the world. Some people will unfortunately always suffer. I'd honestly rather money and resources go to helping improve their home countries to the point where they're livable enough for them to want to stay and fix the broken system they were born into.</quote> going to the border is skipping the line, they're going to have to wait like everyone else when they go through the proper channels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/22/18 5:31:42 PM #187:	immigrants are good for the economy on a pragmatic level and obviously on a moral level freedom of movement is a basic human right so I'm not sure why we should do anything in particular proponents of social safety nets do need to grapple with immigration, but it's impossible to do so when one side has no good faith arguments --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:910976161] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>immigrants are good for the economy on a pragmatic level and obviously on a moral level freedom of movement is a basic human right so I'm not sure why we should do anything in particular proponents of social safety nets do need to grapple with immigration, but it's impossible to do so when one side has no good faith arguments</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/22/18 5:37:43 PM #188:	Balrog0 posted... freedom of movement is a basic human right What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws. http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/freedom_movement_definition.html 1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence. 2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own. 3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant. 4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:910976450] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>freedom of movement is a basic human right</quote> What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws. http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/freedom_movement_definition.html <quote>1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence. 2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own. 3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant. 4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/22/18 5:41:08 PM #189:	s0nicfan posted... What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws. He defined it "morally". Y'know, morals? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910976615] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws.</quote> He defined it "morally". Y'know, morals?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/22/18 5:42:32 PM #190:	CyricZ posted... s0nicfan posted... What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws. He defined it "morally". Y'know, morals? I'm going to take the side of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights here on what is and isn't considered moral with regard to freedom of movement. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:910976679] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws.</quote> He defined it "morally". Y'know, morals?</quote> I'm going to take the side of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights here on what is and isn't considered moral with regard to freedom of movement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 10/22/18 5:51:00 PM #191:	Bananana posted... Lmao this topic reads like an Infowars comment section --- http://weareontherun.bandcamp.com ^^^^^ HEY! ^^^ LISTEN! ^^^^^ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:910977133] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bananana posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao this topic reads like an Infowars comment section</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/22/18 6:02:25 PM #192:	What are the options for legal immigration is there from Honduras to the US is there anyway? --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:910977735] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>What are the options for legal immigration is there from Honduras to the US is there anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/22/18 6:09:02 PM #193:	s0nicfan posted... CyricZ posted... s0nicfan posted... What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws. He defined it "morally". Y'know, morals? I'm going to take the side of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights here on what is and isn't considered moral with regard to freedom of movement. Seems like a non-sequitur to me, I don't even know what that organization is --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:910978080] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>What? No it isn't, or at least not as you're defining it. You're free to move within your own country, leave your country, and return to your country, but you're NOT free to enter any country of your choosing if it is against their laws.</quote> He defined it "morally". Y'know, morals?</quote> I'm going to take the side of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights here on what is and isn't considered moral with regard to freedom of movement.</quote> Seems like a non-sequitur to me, I don't even know what that organization is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/22/18 6:11:25 PM #194:	anyway, I would argue our immigration restrictions don't promote any of those things, even though they are technically lawful, so idk man! --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:910978207] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>anyway, I would argue our immigration restrictions don't promote any of those things, even though they are technically lawful, so idk man!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/22/18 6:14:07 PM #195:	@Balrog0 how many illegal immigrants do you think America can take in without it negatively affecting citizens and legal immigrants? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:910978337] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>@Balrog0 how many illegal immigrants do you think America can take in without it negatively affecting citizens and legal immigrants?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/22/18 6:17:48 PM #196:	FLUFFYGERM posted... @Balrog0 how many illegal immigrants do you think America can take in without it negatively affecting citizens and legal immigrants? 1) we should make it possible to immigrate here legally and easily 2) proportionally as many as we allowed back in the days of ellis island, which was roughly 1.25 million a year on a population of about 88 million so like at least 5 million or so right now we do about 1 million a year I think, and about half of that is just status changes of current residents rather than new arrivals. lots of work to do to catch up with our not too distant past --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:910978516] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>@Balrog0 how many illegal immigrants do you think America can take in without it negatively affecting citizens and legal immigrants?</quote> 1) we should make it possible to immigrate here legally and easily 2) proportionally as many as we allowed back in the days of ellis island, which was roughly 1.25 million a year on a population of about 88 million so like at least 5 million or so right now we do about 1 million a year I think, and about half of that is just status changes of current residents rather than new arrivals. lots of work to do to catch up with our not too distant past</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 10/22/18 6:18:37 PM #197:	They should be treated as a hostile force and we should use whatever means necessary to repel them. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:910978561] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>They should be treated as a hostile force and we should use whatever means necessary to repel them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/22/18 6:20:20 PM #198:	DifferentialEquation posted... They should be treated as a hostile force and we should use whatever means necessary to repel them. No they shouldn't. This isn't a black or white kill them all or let them in illegally. It shouldn't be treated as such. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:910978648] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>They should be treated as a hostile force and we should use whatever means necessary to repel them.</quote> No they shouldn't. This isn't a black or white kill them all or let them in illegally. It shouldn't be treated as such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
alt_no_1_loves 10/22/18 6:20:25 PM #199:	Process peoples immigration or asylum claims upon arrival, as our laws and the international treaties we are part of direct us to do. Pretty simple! --- sig poll: buzz cola or duff beer 1 - 1 thus far (after like 2 years) <cite>alt_no_1_loves posted [p:910978654] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote>Process peoples immigration or asylum claims upon arrival, as our laws and the international treaties we are part of direct us to do. Pretty simple!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 10/22/18 6:21:29 PM #200:	creativerealms posted... DifferentialEquation posted... They should be treated as a hostile force and we should use whatever means necessary to repel them. No they shouldn't. This isn't a black or white kill them all or let them in illegally. It shouldn't be treated as such. I said we should repel them. I'd much rather they be turned away with non-lethal means. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:910978707] in What do yo... [t:77121162]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>They should be treated as a hostile force and we should use whatever means necessary to repel them.</quote> No they shouldn't. This isn't a black or white kill them all or let them in illegally. It shouldn't be treated as such.</quote> I said we should repel them. I'd much rather they be turned away with non-lethal means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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