Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 202: More Like Cesar Say-owned

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On a different note, these turnout numbers are insane: https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1057097315931054081

Texas early vote compared to 2014:

Voters under 30 up by 508%.
Voters over 65 up 96%
Hispanic turnout up 214%
White turnout up 165%

granted i imagine voters under 30 was an abysmal number in 2014 but still that's nuts.
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Itll be interesting to see how the overall numbers compare to 2014 after next week
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/repstevestivers/status/1057327397685653510?s=21

Congressman Steve Kings recent comments, actions, and retweets are completely inappropriate. We must stand up against white supremacy and hate in all forms, and I strongly condemn this behavior.

Some might say that this is only being said by a sitting Republican congressman because its politically expedient.

I dont care. Ill take it, and I applaud Congressman Stivers for making a statement few others in his party will.

Yes, 100%.

It is worth noting that he isn't even in a competitive district. So you can't even do the cynical "oh he's trying to court moderates but doesn't mean it". He's going to win his seat and King is in a (suddenly, possibly) competitive race. And he didn't go soft with a "insensitive" or "troubling" label. He called it white supremacy, pure and simple. I think this is a very good thing and definitely applaud him for doing so as well.

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Early voting is almost never a great predictor but 500% is fucking astounding.
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Finally finished figuring out who/what I'm voting for for CA's approximately 5000 offices/ballot measures

Ballot measures are dumb and shouldn't be a thing
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I am grateful that the voting on the NC ballot measures is easy #NoOnAllSix
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Crossfiyah posted...

Early voting is almost never a great predictor but 500% is fucking astounding.

Nate Silver has indicated that the early voting numbers largely reinforce polling data but that under 30 number seems to be a bit beyond what the crosstabs are predicting. Buuuut under 30s are also way more likely to find early votinf more convenient.
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xp1337 posted...

On a different note, these turnout numbers are insane: https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1057097315931054081

Texas early vote compared to 2014:

Voters under 30 up by 508%.
Voters over 65 up 96%
Hispanic turnout up 214%
White turnout up 165%

granted i imagine voters under 30 was an abysmal number in 2014 but still that's nuts.

There have been several local reports of voter intimidation, but I'm damn proud to see that they're not really depressing turnout

And yes, Texas voter turnout is fucking abysmal. One of the worst states in the nation, even in presidential voting years iirc.

Eddv posted...

I am grateful that the voting on the NC ballot measures is easy #NoOnAllSix

Same in Michigan, Yes on all three
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Jakyl25 posted...

Eddv posted...

I am grateful that the voting on the NC ballot measures is easy #NoOnAllSix

Same in Michigan, Yes on all three

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/31/politics/joe-donnelly-but-awkward-moment-diversity/index.html

Would slam a Republican for this, so slamming him too

Come the fuck on Donnelly.

Conjunction junction has a function
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He also didn't totally dismiss Trump's unconstitutional "end birthright citizenship" plan

I still want him to win, but ughhhhhh
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I'm the last person to ever defend anything Ted Cruz does, but this is pretty good.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1057703421778845696
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LordoftheMorons posted...

He also didn't totally dismiss Trump's unconstitutional "end birthright citizenship" plan

I still want him to win, but ughhhhhh

The most charitable interpretation is him adding the "make sure it's constitutional" qualifier because he knows it straight up isn't.

But even with that interpretation ugh.
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The Mana Sword posted...

I'm the last person to ever defend anything Ted Cruz does, but this is pretty good.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1057703421778845696

https://twitter.com/_caffi/status/1057711373390696448?s=19
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1057715198684000258?s=21

Told you. Easiest campaign ad ever.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

He also didn't totally dismiss Trump's unconstitutional "end birthright citizenship" plan

I still want him to win, but ughhhhhh

Still better than any Indiana Republican.
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The Mana Sword posted...

I'm the last person to ever defend anything Ted Cruz does, but this is pretty good.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1057703421778845696

No, youre supposed to be SOMEONE ELSE for Halloween
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xp1337 posted...

On a different note, these turnout numbers are insane: https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1057097315931054081

Texas early vote compared to 2014:

Voters under 30 up by 508%.
Voters over 65 up 96%
Hispanic turnout up 214%
White turnout up 165%

granted i imagine voters under 30 was an abysmal number in 2014 but still that's nuts.

That is nuts, damn.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1057730084231172096?s=19
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Something that's been bothering me for a while. One talking point that I see brought up from time to time is the idea that Democratic politicians don't actually care about minorities, but they adopt the social platform that they do as a political scheme to accumulate votes from all of the various minority groups in the country.

So then my question is--even if this premise is true, why is this a bad thing?

I will mention ahead of time that what we ultimately care about are the policies that are put in place and not the feelings of the policymakers, so I'm ideally looking for something slightly more concrete than just an emotional appeal to whether or not they're being genuine.
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pyresword posted...

Something that's been bothering me for a while. One talking point that I see brought up from time to time is the idea that Democratic politicians don't actually care about minorities, but they adopt the social platform that they do as a political scheme to accumulate votes from all of the various minority groups in the country.

So then my question is--even if this premise is true, why is this a bad thing?

I will mention ahead of time that what we ultimately care about are the policies that are put in place and not the feelings of the policymakers, so I'm ideally looking for something slightly more concrete than just an emotional appeal to whether or not they're being genuine.

Usually I see that talking point go further and say that either they don't actually deliver on those promises, or the ones they do are actually harmful (dependence on government, etc.)

If it stopped where you stopped it, then yeah, that wouldn't make sense.
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SupremeZero posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1057730084231172096?s=19

What the
Fuck

pyresword posted...

So then my question is--even if this premise is true, why is this a bad thing?

Well, theres a pervasive line that a lot of these programs to help minorities dont actually help them, but just keep them voting Democrat.
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Though I'll hypothesize that even if you did stop the talking point there a possible motive could be to simply demotivate turnout with those groups by arguing "They don't really care about you" so those voters stay home.

Though, as you note, that's explicitly not a policy argument.
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xp1337 posted...

Though I'll hypothesize that even if you did stop the talking point there a possible motive could be to simply demotivate turnout with those groups by arguing "They don't really care about you" so those voters stay home.

This is almost definitely a large part of it

Just like all of the "Both sides are the same!!!!11!1!!" crap

I was thinking about this as well, Pyre. With regards to my "if racists, Klansmen, neo-Nazis and white nationalists all support the Republicans, the Republican party must be doing SOMETHING to court those votes" post. But these is this argument that Democrats don't do anything to help minorities, and therefore those minorities should vote Republican. It completely ignores any thinking about how Republicans would be BETTER than "Democrats do nothing" and just generally drops an emotional argument that the person making it doesn't honestly give a shit about.

It reminds me of a while back, possibly before the politics topics even started...there was a discussion of sexism in America. Ulti, a noted misogynist, interrupts the entire conversation with "If you think women have it so bad in the West, why don't you care about women being stoned to death in the Middle East?" It's a really cynical take on things, but it's somebody who does not give a shit about the argument they're making. Ulti doesn't give a FUCK about the rampant sexism and misogyny of Middle Eastern countries (outside of using it as an example to justify his racism and Islamaphobia), but it's a way to shut up discussion of gender relations in the West by appealing to liberals and making them look just as uncaring as he is. It's just extremely disingenuous overall. That's where this "Dems don't help minorities" mentality comes into play. The speaker doesn't give a shit about minorities, but if they can paint it like NOBODY cares about minorities, then they're no longer the bad guys, and they don't need to change their ways.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

SupremeZero posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1057730084231172096?s=19

What the
Fuck

Met her at the PTAC committee meeting in September.

She's a total nightmare.
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pyresword posted...

Something that's been bothering me for a while. One talking point that I see brought up from time to time is the idea that Democratic politicians don't actually care about minorities, but they adopt the social platform that they do as a political scheme to accumulate votes from all of the various minority groups in the country.

So then my question is--even if this premise is true, why is this a bad thing?

If you view the world as a zero-sum game, then any policy that helps minorities must be hurting white people. If Democrats don't even care about minorities, then they're inflicting suffering on whites for no reason other than selfish personal gain. This is especially bad if for those who believe (like most white Americans do) that the biggest racial problem in modern America is discrimination against whites; from that perspective, Democrats are just hurting the real victims even more.
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https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1057450664404619264?s=21

The Proud Boys and Gavin McInnes getting banned from FB and Instagram over my story is the biggest impact I've had on them since the time when, angry over my comprehensive knowledge of their rules, McInnes lifted their ban on flip-flops to spite me

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Xeybozn posted...

This is especially bad if for those who believe (like most white Americans do) that the biggest racial problem in modern America is discrimination against whites

dude I know this is a majority of Republicans at this point which is hilarious, but I'ma need to see some polls that this is a general thing. because thankfully it definitely isn't

we're not there yet anyway
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Xeybozn posted...

If you view the world as a zero-sum game

I very much do not, for the record.

(Yes I know you're just explaining the belief here)
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All I could find was this

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/blacks-white-racism-united-states-polls/index.html

Half of Americans in a Public Religion Research Institute poll last June said they believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities. But that number is bolstered by almost six in 10 whites (57%) and two-thirds of white working-class Americans (66%). A broad majority of blacks and Hispanics disagree.

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What are we looking for, here... People that say it's the biggest racial issue, or people that just say whites are discriminated against? Because the latter is definitely a majority.
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Hmmm, interesting. All I found was this:

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-americans-think-theyre-discriminated-against

More than half of whites 55 percent surveyed say that, generally speaking, they believe there is discrimination against white people in America today.

which is a totally fair thing to say given the phrasing of that question. hopefully most of those 55 percent wouldn't argue that it's a bigger problem, but who knows
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For the record, I am white, and I clearly understand that I have societal privileges people of other races dont
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StartTheMachine posted...

Hmmm, interesting. All I found was this:

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-americans-think-theyre-discriminated-against

More than half of whites 55 percent surveyed say that, generally speaking, they believe there is discrimination against white people in America today.

which is a totally fair thing to say given the phrasing of that question. hopefully most of those 55 percent wouldn't argue that it's a bigger problem, but who knows

Right. Obviously, taken completely literally, discrimination against white people exists in America.
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like that's what the question was asking so
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Jakyl25 posted...

All I could find was this

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/blacks-white-racism-united-states-polls/index.html

Half of Americans in a Public Religion Research Institute poll last June said they believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities. But that number is bolstered by almost six in 10 whites (57%) and two-thirds of white working-class Americans (66%). A broad majority of blacks and Hispanics disagree.

For the record, this is the poll I was thinking of, but apparently I remembered the wording of the question wrong. Yay for people being slightly better than I thought!
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These Senate Polls are so all over the place it is crazy.

McSally +7
McSally Even
Sinema +4
Sinema +6
Sinema +3
McSally +2

Donelly +7
Donelly +2
Braun +3
Braun +4

Heller +7
Rosen +3
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The CNN analyst has Dems picking up like 33 seats or something in the house. To give them 228 to 207 majority.

Has them winning approximately 23 of the 30 tossups.

This is likelier that Silver's projection imo. Though I would probably go down even a little more to like 222 to 213ish range.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-house-gop-pledge-to-push-middle-class-tax-cut-next-year-miss-
presidents-promised-timeline/2018/10/31/0ff174fa-dd59-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html

Seems trump 10% tax cut wasn't real.
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I really hate how backlash against feminism seems to be running the show nowadays.
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Corrik posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-house-gop-pledge-to-push-middle-class-tax-cut-next-year-miss-
presidents-promised-timeline/2018/10/31/0ff174fa-dd59-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html

Seems trump 10% tax cut wasn't real.

I can't imagine the person gullible enough to believe it ever was.
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I don't have a single right-leaning friend on facebook that hasn't called those bomb attacks false flags

I mean it doesn't remotely surprise me, but the Alex Jonesification of the right is still disgusting
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StartTheMachine posted...

I don't have a single right-leaning friend

ending the sentence right there is the key to a happy life
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So I just saw Trump put out a racist as shit ad.

Cool, cool.
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Crossfiyah posted...

Corrik posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-house-gop-pledge-to-push-middle-class-tax-cut-next-year-miss-
presidents-promised-timeline/2018/10/31/0ff174fa-dd59-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html

Seems trump 10% tax cut wasn't real.

I can't imagine the person gullible enough to believe it ever was.

You just quoted him
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TheRock1525 posted...

So I just saw Trump put out a racist as shit ad.

Cool, cool.

I highly believe the ad is actually racist and isn't just liberals saying it is racist. Highly.
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Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So I just saw Trump put out a racist as shit ad.

Cool, cool.

I highly believe the ad is actually racist and isn't just liberals saying it is racist. Highly.

And I highly believe Trump could put out an ad with him holding hands with people in hooded, white robes and swaztika armbands, and you would claim upset liberals were just misinterpreting an ad about how Trump has united people across the country. Highly.
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Espeon posted...

Corrik posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So I just saw Trump put out a racist as shit ad.

Cool, cool.

I highly believe the ad is actually racist and isn't just liberals saying it is racist. Highly.

And I highly believe Trump could put out an ad with him holding hands with people in hooded, white robes and swaztika armbands, and you would claim upset liberals were just misinterpreting an ad about how Trump has united people across the country. Highly.

Yeah. I bet you do believe that. Because all people who don't agree with you are racists. Surprising.

But, I'll listen.

Tell me exactly where in this ad (I haven't looked at it) where he says someone is inferior because of their race (not their lack of citizenship - their race). Expresses desire to commit crime or enslave or so on to people based on their race (not their lack of citizenship - race). Where he says white people specifically are a superior race. Etc.
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