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MarqueeSeries
10/28/18 12:49:37 PM
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CornBarn posted...
what happens when paypal deplatforms something you agree with? this is a bad take imo

I don't think paypal is gonna deplatform people speaking for women's rights, trans rights, etc anytime soon so I'm not worried
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Unimpressed
10/28/18 12:49:44 PM
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TomNook20 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
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s0nicfan posted...
Wasn't the general response to Alex Jones getting banned from everything "they should make their own platform since they love the free market so much"?

So now it's clear even if they do that, they'll get banned from the internet anyway.

Anyone else feel like this is going to make people more violent, not less? Backing angry racists into a corner isn't going to help them get over their racism. Its going to make it boil over.


Why would giving violent hateful people a platform to organize ever be a good thing?


People are lazy and anger is short lived if allowed to dissipate. Letting angry people shout hate into the ether so they can let off steam isn't going to actually hurt anyone. Forcing them to bottle it up can though.


That's not a good argument. The idea behind free speech is that you can rarely guarantee that censors will be fair with their judgements on what is and isn't permissible. For example, how many people would be comfortable with the president of the united states determining what speech is and isn't allowed? You draw a red line, and leave it at that. That means there will be people saying a lot of bad shit that most people don't agree with or like, but that's the price you pay for ensuring that when you have something of value to say, no one can silence you.

You don't seem to understand what free speech actually is. It's the right to say shit without being arrested, facing government repercussion. It doesn't entitle you to a platform or force others to listen to you.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/28/18 12:50:59 PM
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Unimpressed posted...
TomNook20 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
FursonaNonGrata posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Wasn't the general response to Alex Jones getting banned from everything "they should make their own platform since they love the free market so much"?

So now it's clear even if they do that, they'll get banned from the internet anyway.

Anyone else feel like this is going to make people more violent, not less? Backing angry racists into a corner isn't going to help them get over their racism. Its going to make it boil over.


Why would giving violent hateful people a platform to organize ever be a good thing?


People are lazy and anger is short lived if allowed to dissipate. Letting angry people shout hate into the ether so they can let off steam isn't going to actually hurt anyone. Forcing them to bottle it up can though.


That's not a good argument. The idea behind free speech is that you can rarely guarantee that censors will be fair with their judgements on what is and isn't permissible. For example, how many people would be comfortable with the president of the united states determining what speech is and isn't allowed? You draw a red line, and leave it at that. That means there will be people saying a lot of bad shit that most people don't agree with or like, but that's the price you pay for ensuring that when you have something of value to say, no one can silence you.

You don't seem to understand what free speech actually is. It's the right to say shit without being arrested, facing government repercussion. It doesn't entitle you to a platform or force others to listen to you.

Yeah this is a case of PayPal exercising their free speech
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VipaGTS
10/28/18 12:52:08 PM
#54:


Most people who defend racists don't understand what Free Speech means.
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FaultyGourry
10/28/18 12:54:39 PM
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Gab bums me out. It could have been a legit social media competitor but quickly became an alt-right shithole that is a bigger circle jerk for crazies than resetera. That said, I think it's a pretty shitty and dangerous move to allow and celebrate corporations banning an entire website because of one poster.
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s0nicfan
10/28/18 12:54:41 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
s0nicfan posted...
FursonaNonGrata posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Wasn't the general response to Alex Jones getting banned from everything "they should make their own platform since they love the free market so much"?

So now it's clear even if they do that, they'll get banned from the internet anyway.

Anyone else feel like this is going to make people more violent, not less? Backing angry racists into a corner isn't going to help them get over their racism. Its going to make it boil over.


Why would giving violent hateful people a platform to organize ever be a good thing?


People are lazy and anger is short lived if allowed to dissipate. Letting angry people shout hate into the ether so they can let off steam isn't going to actually hurt anyone. Forcing them to bottle it up can though.

Dude youre saying this in response to an anti-Semitic terrorist attack, what the fuck is wrong with you?


The attack was terrible, I wish it didn't happen, and I in no way defend the views of these hateful people who are using gab as a platform to say terrible things. That's not what this is about.

If you are assigning any sort of blame to the social media platform for this attack, then you have to be prepared to assign blame to any platform that this person has ever posted on. Given the frequent volume of shootings, for example, it shouldn't be hard to make the case that Facebook should no longer receive funding because they allow gun advocacy groups, or Twitter or Reddit should be defunded because of what they allow too.

I'm not defending what happened, and I'm not saying the platform is good. I'm saying that before we decide we are one hundred percent cool with how and why Gab is going down, we need to make sure that the standards we're setting are ones that we are comfortable applying in every instance.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/28/18 12:55:18 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Wasn't the general response to Alex Jones getting banned from everything "they should make their own platform since they love the free market so much"?

So now it's clear even if they do that, they'll get banned from the internet anyway.

Anyone else feel like this is going to make people more violent, not less? Backing angry racists into a corner isn't going to help them get over their racism. Its going to make it boil over.


That's what you want though. You believe only liberals are racists, so this would mean liberals committing violent. That will validate you because you will be able to "gotcha," and additionally, those violent liberals will be sent to prison, which is also something you approve of, so it's a double-win for you and your ilk.


You need to lay off the conspiracy theories, because you're coming off a bit crazy here.


Was that not an accurate representation of your side? Most of them on this board talk like that. "Liberals are the real racists," "the left is the violent side because blm antifa," etc. If what I'm saying is a conspiracy, are you saying all those CEers who peddle such views are just trolling and don't believe what they say?


The vast majority of posters who say those things are pretty blatant trolls. Are you actually going to argue that gimmick posters saying things is indicative of some sort of actual viewpoint?


So these gab loonies are just blatant trolls? That wrecks your entire argument. According to you, banning them will make them angrier and more violent. Also, according to you, they are just trolling. If they are just trolling, they don't believe the shit they say, so they won't get angry and violent. See the contradiction there? Do you want to have your cake or do you want to eat it? Can't be both...
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Anteaterking
10/28/18 12:56:34 PM
#58:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
When you have a cancer you don't let it metabolize and grow, you cut it out and move on.


Nah man, you let it fester on a limb because then at least you know where the cancer is and otherwise the cells will just hide all over your body.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/28/18 1:04:27 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
s0nicfan posted...
FursonaNonGrata posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Wasn't the general response to Alex Jones getting banned from everything "they should make their own platform since they love the free market so much"?

So now it's clear even if they do that, they'll get banned from the internet anyway.

Anyone else feel like this is going to make people more violent, not less? Backing angry racists into a corner isn't going to help them get over their racism. Its going to make it boil over.


Why would giving violent hateful people a platform to organize ever be a good thing?


People are lazy and anger is short lived if allowed to dissipate. Letting angry people shout hate into the ether so they can let off steam isn't going to actually hurt anyone. Forcing them to bottle it up can though.

Dude youre saying this in response to an anti-Semitic terrorist attack, what the fuck is wrong with you?


The attack was terrible, I wish it didn't happen, and I in no way defend the views of these hateful people who are using gab as a platform to say terrible things. That's not what this is about.

If you are assigning any sort of blame to the social media platform for this attack, then you have to be prepared to assign blame to any platform that this person has ever posted on. Given the frequent volume of shootings, for example, it shouldn't be hard to make the case that Facebook should no longer receive funding because they allow gun advocacy groups, or Twitter or Reddit should be defunded because of what they allow too.

I'm not defending what happened, and I'm not saying the platform is good. I'm saying that before we decide we are one hundred percent cool with how and why Gab is going down, we need to make sure that the standards we're setting are ones that we are comfortable applying in every instance.

Buddy just because you type a bunch of shit doesnt mean youre making any sense. You said something stupid, just admit that.
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Antifar
10/28/18 1:18:08 PM
#61:


s0nicfan posted...
People are lazy and anger is short lived if allowed to dissipate. Letting angry people shout hate into the ether so they can let off steam isn't going to actually hurt anyone.

You realize the guy who shot up a synagogue yesterday used Gab, right?
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The Great Muta 22
10/28/18 1:22:46 PM
#62:


s0nicfan posted...
I'm not defending what happened, and I'm not saying the platform is good. I'm saying that before we decide we are one hundred percent cool with how and why Gab is going down, we need to make sure that the standards we're setting are ones that we are comfortable applying in every instance.


Nah, everything in society doesn't have to be uniform. But the way you guys argue how everything needs to be an "all or nothing" type scenario just makes me laugh.

I'm perfectly fine with these motherfuckers being deplatformed. Ideally they would also be investigated and monitored by proper authorities before they become more radicalized and snap. They can go have their shitty little racist circle jerk on the same servers that host TDS.

And I'm not worried at all about things I like being banned. After all, I'm just a "NPC normie cuck sheep who follows the MSM script", and I have a hard time believing stuff like that will ever be considered vile enough to censor. So I'll sleep fine watching places like Gab and Voat get shut down. In fact, I'll likely sleep better knowing so.
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Bio1590
10/28/18 1:25:56 PM
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The only thing I would be concerned about is that evidently they were fine with Gab prior to yesterday.
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averagejoel
10/28/18 1:28:37 PM
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there was a literal pogrom yesterday and people are worried about the murderer's free speech
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Anteaterking
10/28/18 1:35:17 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
The only thing I would be concerned about is that evidently they were fine with Gab prior to yesterday.


It's possible, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they had never thought about Gab before yesterday.
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andel
10/28/18 1:51:01 PM
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unsurprisingly trump cultists cant comprehend the difference between free speech and the right of private companies to not be forced to do business with scum
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VipaGTS
10/28/18 1:54:10 PM
#68:


andel posted...
unsurprisingly trump cultists cant comprehend the difference between free speech and the right of private companies to not be forced to do business with scum

and what's hilarious is they claim to care so much about the latter...that is until it affects a racist, then they suddenly want laws protecting those racists.
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Solar_Crimson
10/28/18 2:32:09 PM
#70:


s0nicfan posted...
People are lazy and anger is short lived if allowed to dissipate. Letting angry people shout hate into the ether so they can let off steam isn't going to actually hurt anyone. Forcing them to bottle it up can though.

You really think an Echo chamber of angry racism will allow them to calm down?

All it will do is let those ideologies fester until we have yet another mass shooting.
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UnfairRepresent
10/28/18 2:35:10 PM
#71:


Solar_Crimson posted...

You really think an Echo chamber of angry racism will allow them to calm down?

I don't know if this is the logic you want to use because this would justify shutting down most boards.

People love echo chambers.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/28/18 2:37:34 PM
#72:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...

You really think an Echo chamber of angry racism will allow them to calm down?

I don't know if this is the logic you want to use because this would justify shutting down most boards.

People love echo chambers.

Dude what do you gain from deliberately misconstruing his point in order to argue nonsense?
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VipaGTS
10/28/18 2:42:43 PM
#73:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Dude what do you gain from deliberately misconstruing his point in order to argue nonsense?

just ignore it, dude. You're doing exactly what he wants...giving him attention while derailing the actual points of the topic.
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UnfairRepresent
10/28/18 3:20:57 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...

You really think an Echo chamber of angry racism will allow them to calm down?

I don't know if this is the logic you want to use because this would justify shutting down most boards.

People love echo chambers.

Dude what do you gain from deliberately misconstruing his point in order to argue nonsense?

Sounds like an evasion of my question to me, but hypocrisy away.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/28/18 3:53:13 PM
#75:


UnfairRepresent posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...

You really think an Echo chamber of angry racism will allow them to calm down?

I don't know if this is the logic you want to use because this would justify shutting down most boards.

People love echo chambers.

Dude what do you gain from deliberately misconstruing his point in order to argue nonsense?

Sounds like an evasion of my question to me, but hypocrisy away.


The question you asked in post #7? My guess is the answer is yes.
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Rimmer_Dall
10/29/18 11:56:36 AM
#76:


Turns out Sleeping Giants is responsible for this.

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1056392377437470721
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The Great Muta 22
10/29/18 12:02:20 PM
#77:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
Turns out Sleeping Giants is responsible for this.

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1056392377437470721


Good. Fuck Gab and it's white nationalist user base and supporting owner.
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MakoReizei
10/29/18 12:06:43 PM
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It's disturbing that people are cheering this.
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Unimpressed
10/29/18 12:08:34 PM
#79:


MakoReizei posted...
It's disturbing that people are upset about this.

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The Great Muta 22
10/29/18 12:16:01 PM
#80:


MakoReizei posted...
It's disturbing that people are cheering this.


Oh well. As someone who will never need to use shitty sites like Gab, because I'm not a literal ethno nationalist troll who gets kicked off the main stream sites, I couldn't give less of a shit if they're banished to the dark web.

We're coming for Voat next
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RoboLaserGandhi
10/29/18 12:17:49 PM
#81:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Is this where the guy who shot up the prayer service posted shit on?

Isn't this the site that guy who burned a church down posted on?
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l Dudeboy l
10/29/18 12:34:40 PM
#82:


Good. Racists don't deserve any type of platform.
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CyricZ
10/29/18 12:36:11 PM
#83:


l Dudeboy l posted...
Good. Racists don't deserve any type of platform.

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Unimpressed
10/29/18 12:40:50 PM
#84:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Is this where the guy who shot up the prayer service posted shit on?

Isn't this the site that guy who burned a church down posted on?

Imagine defending Gab and comparing it to gamefaqs
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The Great Muta 22
10/29/18 12:46:09 PM
#85:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/29/tech/gab-offline-pittsburgh/index.html

Andddd they're offline. And Andrew Torba is continuing his "THIS IS SO UNFAIR, WE ARE BEING TARGETED FOR PROMOTING MUH FREEZE PEACH! WAHHHHHH" meltdown on Twitter. This is hilarious
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spudger
10/29/18 12:47:55 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Good.

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SaithSayer
10/29/18 12:48:23 PM
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Freedom of speech just means you can't lose your freedom for saying what you think. Why do so many people think it means freedom from criticism?
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spudger
10/29/18 12:48:42 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/29/tech/gab-offline-pittsburgh/index.html

Andddd they're offline. And Andrew Torba is continuing his "THIS IS SO UNFAIR, WE ARE BEING TARGETED FOR PROMOTING MUH FREEZE PEACH! WAHHHHHH" meltdown on Twitter. This is hilarious

This has nothing to do with free speech

Dude needs a constitution
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RoboLaserGandhi
10/29/18 12:49:05 PM
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Unimpressed posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Is this where the guy who shot up the prayer service posted shit on?

Isn't this the site that guy who burned a church down posted on?

Imagine defending Gab and comparing it to gamefaqs

Imagine thinking I was doing any of that and not just trying to be funny
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The Great Muta 22
10/29/18 12:50:27 PM
#92:


Tl0Uh8z

Now that's a melty

Imagine being delusional enough that without your service the DoJ and FBI would have a hard time prosecuting the shooter's case as a hate crime.
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Gafemage
10/29/18 12:50:43 PM
#93:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Unimpressed posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Is this where the guy who shot up the prayer service posted shit on?

Isn't this the site that guy who burned a church down posted on?

Imagine defending Gab and comparing it to gamefaqs

Imagine thinking I was doing any of that and not just trying to be funny

You were defending it lol
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SaithSayer
10/29/18 12:51:17 PM
#94:


Point stands. A place isn't bad because one or a few people that go there do or have done some fucked up stuff.

May as well get rid of the entire internet if we're operating on that logic.
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Rimmer_Dall
10/29/18 12:52:40 PM
#95:


SaithSayer posted...
Point stands. A place isn't bad because one or a few people that go there do or have done some fucked up stuff.

May as well get rid of the entire internet if we're operating on that logic.

Hasn't basically every mass shooter in the past decade had a Twitter and Facebook account?
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Anteaterking
10/29/18 12:55:52 PM
#96:


SaithSayer posted...
Point stands. A place isn't bad because one or a few people that go there do or have done some fucked up stuff.

May as well get rid of the entire internet if we're operating on that logic.


But there's a stronger argument that a place with a few bad people that has 4 total users is bad than on with 4 million total users.
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Bio1590
10/29/18 1:40:08 PM
#97:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Tl0Uh8z

Now that's a melty

Imagine being delusional enough that without your service the DoJ and FBI would have a hard time prosecuting the shooter's case as a hate crime.

80% (at least) of normal everyday people have zero idea what Gab is
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spudger
10/29/18 3:15:51 PM
#98:


Womp womp
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Notti
10/31/18 6:52:59 AM
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