Board 8 > Blizzard got booed during their own convention.

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Are people FINALLY waking up and realizing what Ive been saying for almost 20 years? Blizzard legitimately has not made a good game since Diablo 2.

In that time, they have made the two worst games ever made (Warcraft 3 and Hearthstone), pioneered gaming addiction as a business (World of Warcraft), and released the worst launch in gaming history (Diablo 3).

And it took a mobile version of Diablo, a graphics update on WC3, and a merger with Bobby Kotick for people to finally notice. Better late than never I guess.
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Priceless

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Literally no one booed or maligned Warcraft 3 or anything other than the mobile game.
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Actually WoW Classic is getting equally hated since they released the demo.
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Lukewarm take: Hearthstone isn't a bad game, but I do think Blizzard have dropped the ball with how they've expanded on it since the first few expansions. They've had a great system, a great universe to pull from, but they've never innovated. They've spent the past 5 years churning out the same repetitious RNG-laden grindfest. I'm more impressed with the direction CDPR have taken Gwent, between Homecoming and Thronebreaker. In less than half the time HS has been around, they've done way more than Blizzard likely ever will.

WoW is less of an offender but falls into a similar vein, especially with its latest expansion. That said, in my opinion, WoW is a marvel of a construct. There's a pretty great game underneath the muck and grind.

From what I've seen most fans are very happy with WC3 Reforged. I'm also looking forward to it since I never played WC3.

As someone who follows the boards, the subreddit, and watched a good chunk of Blizzcon, from my perspective it was all Diablo Immortal. The fanbase got hyped up on what they expected to be either D2 Remastered or a shiny D4 announcement, but instead were hit with a generic mobile game. While the game may end up being decent, this was the wrong venue to break the news. The hardcore fans at Blizzcon were never gonna take it well and I'm not shocked to see the fans react in a negative manner. This was not what they wanted in the slightest, and Blizzard either misread the room or didn't care.
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hagankefs posted...

Actually WoW Classic is getting equally hated since they released the demo.

What's wrong with it?
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didn't Starcraft: BW come out after D2?
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D2 was 2 years after Brood War.

To add to the list, SC: Remastered is also horrible.
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The booing was mostly because they expected a new game; it was set up that way. This was set up to look like an announcement for Diablo 4 because obviously WoW can't announce a new expansion yet and StarCraft... yeah.

It was a new game, and it was not what people wanted or expected. How do you expect a crowd that pays top dollar to attend this convention to react to a FREE MOBILE game? It doesn't fit their bill or their interests.
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also Overwatch is pretty good, and I don't even play it that much.
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Ok i'll bite Ulti, why do you hate Hearthstone so much
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Blizzard warned a few weeks ago not to get excited about any Diablo announcement in their blog: https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22549433

I don't know why anyone would go into it expecting Diablo IV after they said there wasn't going to be a big announcement at Blizzcon.
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LordOfDabu posted...

Blizzard warned a few weeks ago not to get excited about any Diablo announcement in their blog: https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22549433

I don't know why anyone would go into it expecting Diablo IV after they said there wasn't going to be a big announcement at Blizzcon.

You don't think it's possible a good majority of the fans didn't read this blog? Or even if they did, that a portion of them interpreted it differently?
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I watched for OW alone and wasnt disappointed at all. Never played any of their other stuff, but Overwatch is one of my favorite games and I play it all the time. The new character and animated stuff they showed off was great

UltimaterializerX posted...

Peridiam posted...

Lukewarm take: Hearthstone isn't a bad game, but I do think Blizzard have dropped the ball with how they've expanded on it since the first few expansions. They've had a great system, a great universe to pull from, but they've never innovated. They've spent the past 5 years churning out the same repetitious RNG-laden grindfest. I'm more impressed with the direction CDPR have taken Gwent, between Homecoming and Thronebreaker. In less than half the time HS has been around, they've done way more than Blizzard likely ever will.

WoW is less of an offender but falls into a similar vein, especially with its latest expansion. That said, in my opinion, WoW is a marvel of a construct. There's a pretty great game underneath the muck and grind.

From what I've seen most fans are very happy with WC3 Reforged. I'm also looking forward to it since I never played WC3.

As someone who follows the boards, the subreddit, and watched a good chunk of Blizzcon, from my perspective it was all Diablo Immortal. The fanbase got hyped up on what they expected to be either D2 Remastered or a shiny D4 announcement, but instead were hit with a generic mobile game. While the game may end up being decent, this was the wrong venue to break the news. The hardcore fans at Blizzcon were never gonna take it well and I'm not shocked to see the fans react in a negative manner. This was not what they wanted in the slightest, and Blizzard either misread the room or didn't care.

I could rant for years about what trash Hearthstone is.

Every single person from the HS topic can vouch to it. I am insane.

I'm not a fan of Hearthstone anymore so I likely won't disagree with you.

I'd be interested to hear your take, though.
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I was hoping for a Diablo 2 remake using the Diablo 3 engine

I don't care and have never cared about any other Blizzard property
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You hear that, @UltimaterializerX? That's two of us who wanna hear your uncensored opinion of Hearthstone. Let's hear it.
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I enjoy Hearthstone less than Gwent and Shadowverse but I've never found it to be a bad game, it just doesn't do as much as the other ccgs. I can't see much reason to really call it trash though, other than the fact that there's a lot of cards whose effects rely strictly on the RNG, which is unfortunate but I don't find it too terrible given there's a lot of luck in all competitive card games anyway.

Overwatch I've never had any issues with other than balance, it's basically just a colourful fun fps to play with friends and I believe it succeeds at precisely that.

WoW I played on my friend's account and he was quite addicted, I had fun but I could sense he really wasn't, it's a good game at its core though.

Sc2 is very lol though, really should have just stopped at WoL

These are my takes

Blizzard, or any company for that matter, should never be blamed for the addictive nature of MMOs as a genre.

Honestly Ulti, you are the last person I would have thought would even suggest something like that. You know that's like saying Smith & Wesson is a bad company because guns kill people right?
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Hearthstone is the worst game that Ulti has sunk hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into. Blizzard has no idea what theyre doing, guys
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KingButz posted...

Hearthstone is the worst game that Ulti has sunk hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into. Blizzard has no idea what theyre doing, guys

I have never spent a penny on Hearthstone.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

hagankefs posted...

Actually WoW Classic is getting equally hated since they released the demo.

What's wrong with it?

It follows the Blizzard standard of today.

Rehash an old game. Blizzard has been stagnant for a long long time. They need to branch out and make some new IPs or something because Diablo/Starcraft/Warcraft can only carry them so far and as of late... it wont be much farther if all they can do is remaster old games and release old content in today's market.
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Well you've got me beat. I bought that first single player pack with the spider themed stuff.

I crush you on hours though since I haven't played the game much since like way back with goblins vs gnomes and you've continued to inflict the pain of playing hearthstone on yourself for years and years
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There aren't any loot boxes in WoW though...
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They made Diablo 2 though so whatever

Assassin class best class
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UItimaterializer posted...

KingButz posted...

Hearthstone is the worst game that Ulti has sunk hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into. Blizzard has no idea what theyre doing, guys

I have never spent a penny on Hearthstone.

I'm fairly certain that you used to brag about your collection in old topics and you didn't care about spending the money because you're rich. I'm sure other people can back me up on this.

Regardless you continue to play the game and whine about it which is honestly pretty pathetic
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Lucavi000 posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

hagankefs posted...

Actually WoW Classic is getting equally hated since they released the demo.

What's wrong with it?

It follows the Blizzard standard of today.

Rehash an old game. Blizzard has been stagnant for a long long time. They need to branch out and make some new IPs or something because Diablo/Starcraft/Warcraft can only carry them so far and as of late... it wont be much farther if all they can do is remaster old games and release old content in today's market.

Well they kinda have this big thing called Overwatch
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I'm trying to figure out why you'd follow up one sentence with the other, then. WoW isn't "programmed" to be addictive. It's a MMORPG, and it's programmed the same as every other game in that genre, just better obviously. The nature of the "never ending" game isn't a bad one if that's the intended design; it's like getting angry at a fighting game for never ending. It's not supposed to.
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NowItsAngeTime posted...

Lucavi000 posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

hagankefs posted...

Actually WoW Classic is getting equally hated since they released the demo.

What's wrong with it?

It follows the Blizzard standard of today.

Rehash an old game. Blizzard has been stagnant for a long long time. They need to branch out and make some new IPs or something because Diablo/Starcraft/Warcraft can only carry them so far and as of late... it wont be much farther if all they can do is remaster old games and release old content in today's market.

Well they kinda have this big thing called Overwatch

Ooh their first big original IP in forever.

Again, theyve been stagnant for way too long riding on the coattails of their older IPs.

I loved Blizzard and played wow for many years as well as their other games for even longer than that but damn the day they have to release remastered versions of their old games... talk about jumping the shark.
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One of hearthstones biggest issues is that a lot of things just feel very similar. Like murlocs, pirates, other synergies, while the class and some cards might change slightly, what and how they do things usually don't. Big hand decks still do the same thing. Big minion decks do the same thing. This format especially is really bad because there are almost no decks that have any significant amount of cards from the current set.
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Also, overwatch is bad. The way Blizzard has handled the game and their community is nothing short of incompetence. Repeated events, lackluster support for problems in matchmaking, ridiculous balance changes, etc.
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It's the blizzard platform for SJW.
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I'm not reading much, but I did read him saying this:

"It doesn't matter if you're smart or how adept you are, it's just how much time you sink in. You don't need to do anything exceptional, you just need to run the treadmill like everyone else."

So I know I don't need to continue. That's completely, utterly false and only would be said by someone that hasn't actually played the game itself to see people in great gear be terrible players in actuality. How long you play to collect better items or gear doesn't make you a better player; being a good player and knowing how to play your class does.

He reads like a tool, also.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

and I have this directly from their own employees regardless of what any Blizzard defending sycophant wants to think. My brother in law used to work for Blizzard. My wife's coworker's husband also currently works for them. People can try denying this or trolling me about it all they want. It's still 100% fact. I had it from them in private long before it was actually announced that Overwatch, not Hearthstone, was their #1 e-sport goal. Look what happened. I know what I'm fucking talking about.

It's funny because I actually mostly agree with you on Hearthstone in general (I consider your view on the game's RNG to be the hyperbolic version of the truth) but you constantly go to this like it matters and I tune out.

If they were trying to design the game to be 100% RNG they failed. You saying they're trying to do that doesn't change that.

Like 80% RNG, which I would say is closer to the non-hyperbolic version of the truth, is still a terrible competitive game though.
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KokoroAkechi posted...

Also, overwatch is bad. The way Blizzard has handled the game and their community is nothing short of incompetence. Repeated events, lackluster support for problems in matchmaking, ridiculous balance changes, etc.

It has slowly gotten worse you are right.

Ashe is the same name as a MAJOR League of Legends champion... I mean what were they THINKING?

It started off really good, really innovative, loved the concept of making it like a sports game.
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I mean maybe the game could be judged on how good it is rather than how much people wanted it? Just a thought.

I mean I'm not going to play it because I don't play mobile games but some people do.
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From what I understand the mobile game is just a reskin of Crusaders of Light (another mobile game I know nothing about), which is pretty insulting if true.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Are people FINALLY waking up and realizing what Ive been saying for almost 20 years? Blizzard legitimately has not made a good game since Diablo 2.

In that time, they have made the two worst games ever made (Warcraft 3 and Hearthstone), pioneered gaming addiction as a business (World of Warcraft), and released the worst launch in gaming history (Diablo 3).

And it took a mobile version of Diablo, a graphics update on WC3, and a merger with Bobby Kotick for people to finally notice. Better late than never I guess.

Overwatch is pretty good
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Which is good. I was ahead of the curve on this and people came around to my side. In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

Can I suck your dick for this
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The thing with Hearthstone is that its an excellent streaming game, largely because of its relaxed nature while you do something in the background, with occasional flashy RNG. That streaming nature trickled down into its competitive modes, where there are occasional good matches but a lot of them are decided on draws or good discovers or queues

That said, it has some skill in some modes (Arena) which is based entirely on what you pick. Kripps consistently been among the highest winrate arena players, a lot of the top players in the competitive scene have stayed near top of legend every month and placed high in tournaments. If its that easy, I wonder if you can get, say, Lopen to win a Dreamhack
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No you can definitely succeed at Hearthstone if you know how to play. At medium ish levels you can climb the ladder in any CCG really really quickly since everyone netdecks there, so you just need to play around the same few things, and those players will often just kind of tunnel vision and lose.

Once you get higher up people know what they're doing and will actually think about these things so the game becomes a lot more random, but I'm a lot more ok with those losses since they were against legit players. Maybe that's why the randomness on the ladder doesn't really bother me that much? It's definitely not 100% luck though, that post was extremely hyperbolic.