Current Events > People unironically thinkt he M14 is superior to the M16

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Even combat vets who should know better. M14 was obsolete the moment it got into service.
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I only use my trusty M69 tbh
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I've used both and the M16 is better because it's lighter, you can carry more ammo, and I can do 6 round bursts and hit my target instead of 3 round bursts.
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The M14 puts Charlie down with a hit anywhere on the torso. It can take two or three hits from that plastic piece of junk to do the same.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The M14 puts Charlie down with a hit anywhere on the torso. It can take two or three hits from that plastic piece of junk to do the same.

With an M69, I can miss the dude by a foot and still take him out.
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Uh... The M14 IS more powerful, it fires a much more powerful cartridge.

That doesn't mean it's better.

Plus the M16 had major teething issues when it was deployed in Vietnam due to improper maintenance schedules. It was valid to not trust the weapon initially.

The later M16 models and M4s are vastly superior weapons.
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M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.
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Isnt it just a more stable and reliable rifle? At least at the time?
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If you're in the distance of 50-300 yards, the 5.56 cartridge is usually gonna do the trick, and the weight on the gun and ammo saved is usually a smarter choice.

However, in the mountain ranges of Afghanistan where you gotta chuck bullets at further distances, the 7.62x51 is gonna surpass what the 5.56 can do by a longshot.

I would rather have a (working) SR-25 or Scar-17(H) over most M14/M1A designs but that is because of weight and familiarity with the AR system. The M14 is still in service as a DMR.
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IIRC doesn't it have like no real purpose?

It's too cumbersome for room clearing, it's outclassed by other rifles for long range engagements.

I've never actually fired one, but I get the feeling it's considered "better" by the same people who feel compelled to put scopes on AR15's.
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TheSextMachine posted...

M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.

Out in the desert, maybe. Indoors, an M14 would be ridiculously cumbersome. Plus, the M16 can throw down more suppressive fire.
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Pepys Monster posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.

Out in the desert, maybe. Indoors, an M14 would be ridiculously cumbersome. Plus, the M16 can throw down more suppressive fire.

For room clearing the M16 has a fucking 20" barrel. M4/416 is the gun for shit like that.
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Pepys Monster posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.

Out in the desert, maybe. Indoors, an M14 would be ridiculously cumbersome. Plus, the M16 can throw down more suppressive fire.

Inside you switch to a sidearm.
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TheSextMachine posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.

Out in the desert, maybe. Indoors, an M14 would be ridiculously cumbersome. Plus, the M16 can throw down more suppressive fire.

Inside you switch to a sidearm.

Nah, that's why carbines are a thing
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TheSextMachine posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.

Out in the desert, maybe. Indoors, an M14 would be ridiculously cumbersome. Plus, the M16 can throw down more suppressive fire.

Inside you switch to a sidearm.

lol
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G3>>>M14
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

M14 has better range and stopping power. In the hands of someone that knows what they are doing an M14 can do far more damage than the M16.

Out in the desert, maybe. Indoors, an M14 would be ridiculously cumbersome. Plus, the M16 can throw down more suppressive fire.

Inside you switch to a sidearm.

lol

Special ops go on the offensive with pistols more than you might think. SEALs and Marines not as much as Army SF. That is why they have shit like MK23, HK45c's and such (big .45 pistols). Wayyy more quiet with a suppressor than an HK416.

Also the DoD bought big into the SIG MCX, a modular SMG that has like 300 different configurations. The lack of anything shorter than 14.5" barrels (usually plus a 8" can) has proven to be cumbersome for clearing rooms for regular folks that don't have access to 416's and shit like that.
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Pepys Monster posted...

I've used both and the M16 is better because it's lighter, you can carry more ammo, and I can do 6 round bursts and hit my target instead of 3 round bursts.

You'd be lucky to hit your target with 2 from an M14 on full auto. The fire selector is a joke function.

M4 all day. All the functions of an m16 but better. Collapsible buttstock
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I've used both and the M16 is better because it's lighter, you can carry more ammo, and I can do 6 round bursts and hit my target instead of 3 round bursts.

You'd be lucky to hit your target with 2 from an M14 on full auto. The fire selector is a joke function.

If this guy is saying he actually used a select fire m14 in the military he is either old as fuck or got a hold of a moonrock. The m14's in service now do not have FA selector.

Also 99% of the time M16's aren't put on 3rd burst. If you do that shit without getting bumrushed you're gonna get chewed the fuck out by your CO for wasting ammo.
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yemmy posted...

If this guy is saying he actually used a select fire m14 in the military he is either old as fuck or got a hold of a moonrock. The m14's in service now do not have FA selector.

Even in Vietnam, the fire selectors were either removed by the quartermasters or modified in some way to make them inaccessible.
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yemmy posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

I've used both and the M16 is better because it's lighter, you can carry more ammo, and I can do 6 round bursts and hit my target instead of 3 round bursts.

You'd be lucky to hit your target with 2 from an M14 on full auto. The fire selector is a joke function.

If this guy is saying he actually used a select fire m14 in the military he is either old as fuck or got a hold of a moonrock. The m14's in service now do not have FA selector.

Also 99% of the time M16's aren't put on 3rd burst. If you do that shit without getting bumrushed you're gonna get chewed the fuck out by your CO for wasting ammo.

I used a full auto M14 and a full auto M16 at a shooting range in Las Vegas.
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Both have a place in combat and both are still used by the US Military in active combat today.

The M14 is able to reach out and touch targets at a greater distance then the M16, has a harder hitting, larger round, and is not obsolete. An M-16 can hold more rounds in the magazine, is lighter, more maneuverable, and able to get more rounds down range faster if need be.

It all depends on the situation for which rifle will do the job better.

Personally I love both and will own both civilian versions at some point, already own an AR-15, dont have an M1A yet.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Both have a place in combat and both are still used by the US Military in active combat today.

The M14 is able to reach out and touch targets at a greater distance then the M16, has a harder hitting, larger round, and is not obsolete. An M-16 can hold more rounds in the magazine, is lighter, more maneuverable, and able to get more rounds down range faster if need be.

It all depends on the situation for which rifle will do the job better.

Personally I love both and will own both civilian versions at some point, already own an AR-15, dont have an M1A yet.

The M4 is superior in nearly every case. The M14 is completely obsolete because there are far better 308 rifles out there. The only reason the army uses M14 still is because they can turn surplus rifles back into service. Doesn't mean the rifle isn't obsolete junk, because it is and always has been. There's a reason no other country wanted it as their service rifle.
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ChainedRedone posted...

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Both have a place in combat and both are still used by the US Military in active combat today.

The M14 is able to reach out and touch targets at a greater distance then the M16, has a harder hitting, larger round, and is not obsolete. An M-16 can hold more rounds in the magazine, is lighter, more maneuverable, and able to get more rounds down range faster if need be.

It all depends on the situation for which rifle will do the job better.

Personally I love both and will own both civilian versions at some point, already own an AR-15, dont have an M1A yet.

The M4 is superior in nearly every case. The M14 is completely obsolete because there are far better 308 rifles out there. The only reason the army uses M14 still is because they can turn surplus rifles back into service. Doesn't mean the rifle isn't obsolete junk, because it is and always has been. There's a reason no other country wanted it as their service rifle.

It's ironic how the United States was ahead of the game in WWII by issuing semi-automatic M1 Garands, but wouldn't get on board with the assault rifle concept until after they went up against them in Vietnam.
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the M16 has more going for it as far as a combat rifle. at this point if you want a .308 rifle the M1a is basically there for nostalgia (and i say this as a fan of the M1A). any real option for a modern battle rifle now is going to come down to two types of choices. an AR10 if you want the AR's benefits with a powerful round OR something like an HK91 or FAL that will get you near AK levels of ruggedness if you actually needed something to take into harsh conditions. the M1A is just too finicky of a platform imo.

M4 is where at.
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